[pann-choa] WHAT IS THE WORST THING THAT YOU'VE WITNESSED A FANDOM DO?

[satoori]

2nd gen had it pretty bad

Most things for the newer generations are quite petty.

 

 

[satoori]

BTS first win ever....

From that day forward, BTS pretty much became a punching bag for Big 3 and popular mid-teir senior kfandoms (and some i-sheep that followed) Who would of thought a nugu company group would be considered such a threat. I still don't get it tbh...all that organized hate...

Now things are a lot better except some young fandoms getting mad at BTS winning everything. But they're not as bad as all the mess the seniors put BTS through...then again Bighit, BTS and Armys are a lot tougher now, so...

Edited April 6, 2020 by satoori

[satoori]

13 minutes ago, Angel_Nessa said:

BTS was not the only group from a small company that had it hard at the beginning. Block B has gone through much more than BTS during their rookie years. 

Members from Big3 groups also get a lot of hates and malicious comments just because they debuted in a big company. IKON, GOT7 and EXO who debuted around the same time as BTS also suffered a lot with hate comments. 

Also, Big Hit was not that small as army like to say, Big Hit had 2AM + Jo Kwon solo under their roof, and back in the days 2AM was a mid-tier group and Jo Kwon a super popular variety star.  

My post is about BTS situation. I never said they were the only ones in history. It's still crazy how much hate BTS got long-term.

Bighit as a company was basically nugu. Many Koreans and ifans did not know it by name. No brand power. Many people still considered 2am as JYPE artist even when they were under technically Bighit. I'm not getting ready to have this debate with you again tho Angel. We had a similar one last year. You can reference back to it. 

Edited April 7, 2020 by satoori

[satoori]

2 hours ago, Angel_Nessa said:

 

This is the story that they told BTS fans to make them believe BTS really came from a nugu company. From the botttom to the top.  BTS had to work hard for their success cause Big Hit invested on them a lot of money, not cause the company was "nugu". 

K.WILL debuted under Big Hit label and while there K.WILL reached #3 on Melon with his debut song, released the hit song "Moon Setting Alone", released a song with MC Mong that reached #1 on Melon, gave Lee Min-Ho vocal classes. 

8EIGHT was another group under Big Hit that even won a MAMA award for Best Mixed Gender Group. 

2AM released most of their successful songs under Big Hit.

BigHit's problem in the past was keeping their artists under their roof, since most of them left the company after few years. A company which had so many popular group/artists under their label was not a nugu company. 

A B-tier coed trio, a successful rookie soloist and a ballad group(that many did not even recognized as part of BIGHIT), does not make BIGHIT brand any less nugu(unknown) then it was back then. BANG PD brand was bigger then his own company. He was known as a producer with hits. However his company wasn't. BIGHIT did not have a brand in Korea. BIGHIT had no power, connections or much resources. Which is as you said why the very few artist they had left. The company was way to nugu and small in the industry to help them progress. 

Actually, It was not a story initially told by BIGHIT. BIGHIT didn't "showcase" BTS struggles much early on. Marketing wise BIGHIT didn't want BTS to come off as "poor" or "nugu" which is probably partially why they wore a lot of knock off designer clothes and accessories. K-media and other industry people use to describe BIGHIT as a small and basically nugu. More importantly there was not many trending articles or headlines about BIGHIT. The majority of reports that are written nowadays about BIGHIT growth mostly say BIGHIT struggled and was basically unknown (nugu) in the past.  The KPOP community use to also. Some even used "nugu" as a drag. It wasn't till after BTS huge success in 2016, that suddenly "edgy" fans started to claim that BIGHT was never nugu lol. Some people are so adamant to prove that BIGHIT didn't struggle and wasn't near the bottom (irrelevant/unknown) in the Korean entertainment industry. 

Again, 2AM had already been branded as a JYPE group. Most people still considered them as so too, since JYPE themselves sort of did too by including them in the "family". MISS A was also part of another company AQ Entertainment. However just because MISS A was so successful does not make AQ any less unknown. Most people, even today, don't even realize that MISS A was under AQ. Don't even know the name AQ. This is exactly the same with 2AM and BIGHIT back in the days. BIGHIT brand was nugu (unknwon). Most intellectuals and rationalist will say that it was BTS success that finally put BIGHIT on the map. Anyone who say otherwise is lying to themselves ><

 

edit: 2AM was co-managed by BIGHIT. So they were not even fully under BIGHIT. No wonder JYPE still claimed them while BIGHIT sort of took the back seat.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by satoori

[satoori]

1 hour ago, abra said:

Just sounds like you two have different definitions of "nugu" to me.

I'd say Big Hit was more like a lower-mid tier company. They were far from the big 3 or even Cube/DSP/Starship/etc but they were better-known than Happyface (a similar company in some ways), not to mention all the unknown agencies.

Different definition? idk maybe. Tbh with Angel one can never tell lol. Anything JYPE related sis appears :)))

Actually Happyface had more relevant artist then Bighit(?). Dalshabet, 4men, VOS, Ben, etc. At most I might could consider them the same maybe..so basically still nugu...

Yea Bighit were not scraping the very bottom of barrel like some severely unknown companies, but they were still basically nugu (unknown) to most of the public and Kpop fans.

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by satoori