[PC] IDOLS WHO ARE BAD AT SINGING VS WHO ARE BAD AT DANCING

[LoonAespa]

I care about singing WAY MORE than dancing.

[LoonAespa]

While Twice are not the best singers, More than half of the lines go to Nayeon + Jihyo, I personally enjoy Nayeon's voice when it's not very-high pitched.

[Ege-vika]

Singing is more than dancing. Cmon. While you sing on stage, you need to sing. While doing a cover, you need to sing. While doing a performance, you need to sing. On radio you need to sing, etc. You need to know how to work with mic, you need to portray emotions. And when they dance? During performances and some shows? Do you really need smth for it but your body? Nope.

Also, for me talent of singing should be appreciated more. It's harder to study it and you need to have inborn talent to some extent. While with dancing I honestly think anyone can be at least ok. 

[Haze]

10 hours ago, Iljin Oppa said:

Youngjae's

He sounds out of breath and is straining. 

They definitely had him straining for those notes but it’s just weird you’d list him as an example for the bad vocalist take when he’s the strongest vocalist and doesn’t have a track record of “ruining their songs”

the consensus and what I hear from others is that it’s mostly the rapline, not the the vocal line ( not for YCMN in particular but certain other tracks )

Edited March 11, 2020 by Haze

[lighterxx]

1 hour ago, Ege-vika said:

Singing is more than dancing. Cmon. While you sing on stage, you need to sing. While doing a cover, you need to sing. While doing a performance, you need to sing. On radio you need to sing, etc. You need to know how to work with mic, you need to portray emotions. And when they dance? During performances and some shows? Do you really need smth for it but your body? Nope.

Also, for me talent of singing should be appreciated more. It's harder to study it and you need to have inborn talent to some extent. While with dancing I honestly think anyone can be at least ok. 

For me, idols are highly performance based, thats why i want them to be able to dance well too. 

If possible i would want them to be at least average at both, but yeah they get crazy high marks from me if they can sing AND dance amazingly

Hell if they do it live too thats all heart eyes from my side lol

[lighterxx]

10 hours ago, Ora Gon said:

If we're talking about the general type of idol group (not the vocal group like mmm), bad dancer is much more noticeable than bad singer. A lot of idols cant sing so it's common already, just do sing-talk and you're good to go. But for dancing, I think they're required to at least dance better or follow the choreography.

I can tolerate the below average singers since they're not going to sing the whole song and we have the main vocals to cover them but those bad or lazy dancers, I just cant.

I will upvote you for this later bcs that was exactly what i was thinking lol

[Aphrodisiac]

Singing is way more completed than dancing, even if you’re a decent dancer, you could have the ability to do both especially if you already know how to sing.

[tamarind]

all idols rap talk who tf are u kidding

means that they all depend on it to make the song catchy

Edited March 11, 2020 by tamarind

[felidae]

Pretty sure I saw more "this and this idols are so untalented they can't sing" instead of "this and this idols are so untalented they can't dance"

 

So bad at dancing >>>> bad at singing

[lighterxx]

8 minutes ago, tamarind said:

all idols rap talk who tf are u kidding

means that they all depend on it to make the song catchy

All of svt did not deserve this 

[Iljin Oppa]

6 hours ago, Haze said:

They definitely had him straining for those notes but it’s just weird you’d list him as an example for the bad vocalist take when he’s the strongest vocalist and doesn’t have a track record of “ruining their songs”

the consensus and what I hear from others is that it’s mostly the rapline, not the the vocal line ( not for YCMN in particular but certain other tracks )

Rap line is bad but YCMN is just an example that I could remember recently. 

[No1]

I think dance is a tiny bit more important as to not drag the whole group down, they'll usually be given a line or two to rap/talk and be doen with it, but if a dancer fucks up constantly, or is lacking in skill without improvement, then it's very noticeable. At the same time, I think they should be either a visual or be very charming for variety shows and such.

[reiichi]

I'm actually more annoyed by how underutilized some idols' voices are... most idols who are deemed "bad singers" are actually just given parts they're not comfortable singing because it's outside of their range (Momo sounds ten times nicer in that Move cover than in Twice songs). A ton of altos/baritones are given rap parts because they can't reach the same high notes as the sopranos/tenors in their groups, but are actually good at singing (such as Moonbyul and Chanyeol).

Groups that self-produce tend to make a much better use of everyone's voice - Seventeen and (G)I-dle comes to mind. 

Edited March 12, 2020 by reiichi

[lighterxx]

55 minutes ago, reiichi said:

I'm actually more annoyed by how underutilized some idols' voices are... most idols who are deemed "bad singers" are actually just given parts they're not comfortable singing because it's outside of their range (Momo sounds ten times nicer in that Move cover than in Twice songs). A ton of altos/baritones are given rap parts because they can't reach the same high notes as the sopranos/tenors in their groups, but are actually good at singing (such as Moonbyul and Chanyeol).

Groups that self-produce tend to make a much better use of everyone's voice - Seventeen and (G)I-dle comes to mind. 

Even in seventeen people who can sing is sometimes ignored. All members minus Vernon is trained as main vocals to start with. All of them sing greatly, including vernon he is quite good. 

But you dont get to hear their vocals properly hell the things i can say are due to concert moments, and their covers. I would have wanted something more official when main rapper sings like this

 

[seokii]

Lmao I personally have no preference, I will totally stan someone just for their visuals

[Ksoo9]

I started out as a vocal stan and learn to appreciate performers in my latter years in Kpop.

You can be a weak dancer yet a good performer. Gesture, facial expressions and the way you move and portay yourself on stage. 

 

[reiichi]

10 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Even in seventeen people who can sing is sometimes ignored. All members minus Vernon is trained as main vocals to start with. All of them sing greatly, including vernon he is quite good. 

But you dont get to hear their vocals properly hell the things i can say are due to concert moments, and their covers. I would have wanted something more official when main rapper sings like this

 

Problem is more that they all have such short parts by having 13 members, even if some title tracks do have the rappers singing (Home for example), vocal unit is going to be highlighted more, and get to do high notes, because they're just the best at it. And I really like how Woozi uses the different vocal tones to give their songs texture. When he writes a line, he already knows who's going to sing it

[lighterxx]

2 hours ago, reiichi said:

Problem is more that they all have such short parts by having 13 members, even if some title tracks do have the rappers singing (Home for example), vocal unit is going to be highlighted more, and get to do high notes, because they're just the best at it. And I really like how Woozi uses the different vocal tones to give their songs texture. When he writes a line, he already knows who's going to sing it

He is so good at that i agree like i dont know if you heard fallin flower (you will soon anyway lol) but god the way he used Jun's voice is GORGEOUS

Im glad svt solos exists bcs of the reasons you listed lol, now only if pledis releases them....

[Goten21]

The sTiffany erasure

[Angel_Nessa]

People forget that K-groups are not based only vocals. It's like a formula: a vocal, a dancer, a visual, a variety star and a rapper, nowadays a foreign member or a English speaker member is also important. KPOP is popular due to this combination. 

 Also, you can't have an idol group with all the members sharing the "main vocal" role, and also it's hard to find kids who are the best in dancing, singing, variety star and visual. 

 

 

On 3/11/2020 at 4:40 AM, Iljin Oppa said:

Youngjae's

He sounds out of breath and is straining. 

 

On 3/10/2020 at 11:52 PM, Iljin Oppa said:

Being a good singer matters way more..

Most of the time we're consuming their content by listening to their songs, not watching them.

I used to think singing didn't matter because the bad ones get less lines and are autotuned but then you listen to some of the songs JYP groups release and the things they do to mask the lack of vocals ruin the songs... 

For example: the strained high notes in Got7's songs or when Twice does those weird sing-talk-raps or Itzy's shout-chants. 

 

Youngjae is an amazing main vocal, but there are some songs which are not good choices for him to sing.

Youngjae is great live, a way better than in GOT7's recorded songs. You can feel his emotion, and even cry when he sings a sad song. He was praised a lot for his solo song "Nobody knows".

 

JB has been writing GOT7's title tracks, and he likes a lot the high notes. JB does better in the high notes parts than Youngjae. However, JB and Youngjae are great singers and their song 1:31 touches people's heart.

[1xWonderfulDaisy]

I think often people forget that idols are NOT singers. Their job is to entertain with various skills and charms and dancing is the only one all of them need to be at least decent at since bad dancers stick out too much in a performance. If they can follow the choreo then it's good enough usually. For singing each group has some members that hard carry that side of the job with others being weaker (unless you are Mamamoo). Most important is are the songs good and not if the subvocalists have nice technique or not. It's important that the performance looks good and less so if some member can't freestyle dance even at gunpoint.

[Apple4444]

The top 2 groups right now are full of weak vocalists so there's your answer

[lighterxx]

8 minutes ago, Apple4444 said:

The top 2 groups right now are full of weak vocalists so there's your answer

Top 2 o.o?

[Mogwai]

Frankly, I stan both types of idols. Those who can dance but not sing as well, and those who can sing but aren’t great dancers. Thing is, I stan them for completely different reasons.

You won’t catch Sunmi belting a powerful technically demanding OST, but her songs are fun and empowering and her vocal tone is so pleasing. She performs like she was born for it. And she’s hot so there’s that too lmao

But then I have Chen, whose control of his voice makes his solos so soothing to listen to after a hard day at the office. He’s not the best dancer out there, but his voice is my absolute favourite because of that.

At the end of the day, neither is better than the other. An idol is an entertainer, and that can come in many forms. Singing, dancing, variety, acting. It’s all about how they make YOU happy. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Mogwai

[Elscian]

This seems to be true from watching those survival shows.  A person who can dance really well but their singing is weak still gets an A or is liked by the judges. Whilst a person who can sing really well but their dancing is at the level of the other person's singing  gets a B or is asked to practice more to be 'up to the mark'. 

They are musicians in the end, singing should be given more importance than it is.

Edited March 18, 2020 by StanSatan