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Minjoo, Chaewon, Yuri, Wonyoung

How do you feel about them? Are they better than the you expected?

Minjoo has the biggest glow up from the shy girl in PD48 to occasionally center of Izone + song writer, vocal, rapper, dancer and ultimate visual

Nobody knew who Chaewon was but now she's responsible for half of Izone's discography. Her voice is a treasure.

Yuri is the undisputable main vocalist

Wonyoung handles the center position well with her fresh image and outstanding proportion 

 

If they're truly rigged on then the producers knew what's up.

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They're rigged but the universe/fate or whatever did a good job in balancing the group well. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who watched the whole Pd48 series and was rooting for the vast majority of the final members (and no, it wasn't solely bc of the screentime they were given, I had my underrated faves as well).

Minju has been surprising me too, and I agree she had the biggest glow up.

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I'm sure different line ups could have worked all the same. Cheerleader effect also happens. If that were the case, they could have just given the real one instead that people were actually voting for, they're the ones pouring the dough anyway.

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4 minutes ago, Chjaru said:

I'm sure different line ups could have worked all the same. Cheerleader effect also happens. If that were the case, they could have just given the real one instead that people were actually voting for, they're the ones pouring the dough anyway.

the supposedly real line-up (ep 11) didn't even had a real main vocal... Chaeyeon, Eunbi and Yujin were the strongest vocals in that line-up.

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11 minutes ago, _universo said:

the supposedly real line-up (ep 11) didn't even had a real main vocal... Chaeyeon, Eunbi and Yujin were the strongest vocals in that line-up.

Produce groups aren't supposed to be catered to make an "ideal group". It's a group consisted of everyone's faves. Do individual stans even care what the line up looks like? Their main focus is only for their fave to get in. That's the gist of Produce.

For real, none of them votes like this > "Imma vote for this trainee so the group can have a main vocal". No one does, I'm sure not even you would. And if that were the case, there are other trainees that could fit the bill too.

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Just now, Chjaru said:

Produce groups aren't supposed to be catered to make an ideal group. It's a group consisted of everyone's faves. Do individual stans even care what the line up looks like? Their main focus is only for their fave to get in. That's the gist of Produce.

For real, who votes like this > "Imma vote for this trainee so the group can have a main vocal". No one does, I'm sure not even you would.

Well I don't know what you meant by "could have worked all the same", but I was of course talking in terms of performance, in my own individual opinion. And since OP was talking about the girls' performative skills, I assume the discussion was about that.

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1 minute ago, _universo said:

Well I don't know what you meant by "could have worked all the same", but I was of course talking in terms of performance, in my own individual opinion. And since OP was talking about the girls' performative skills, I assume the discussion was about that.


It could work about that too. If the "weaker" members have gotten better over time after the specialized training after debut then there's no doubt that it would have worked for another trainee as well. As per OP, Chaewon was a nobody, now a somebody. Could totally apply to any other trainee in the same spot, there were a lot of good trainees.

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if those are rigged members than with Chaewon and Yuri by all means I have zero complaints since i wanted them in the final lineup anyway. Wonyoung while my feelings are mixed has made a great center and Minju next to Hyewon has easily had one of the biggest 360 transformations since PD48 Episode 1

 

at the end of the day despite my thoughts about the lineup i want to focus on TODAY rather than the PAST to not ruin the mood for the rest of the girls. 

 

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1 hour ago, Chjaru said:


It could work about that too. If the "weaker" members have gotten better over time after the specialized training after debut then there's no doubt that it would have worked for another trainee as well. As per OP, Chaewon was a nobody, now a somebody. Could totally apply to any other trainee in the same spot, there were a lot of good trainees.

Specialized training after debut? Does that exist? I don't think someone can get so much better in such a short span, they acquire experience, but the skills hardly ever improve that much. Chaewon was always a good vocalist, nothing changed after PD48. And Hyewon for example, I don't feel like she has improved that much. But I'm talking subjectively based on what I've watched. So again, I don't think the "real" line-up (the one from ep 11), would have worked as well as the current line-up imo. Without mentioning that I don't think the Korean public would've liked a group with so many Japanese members (now talking in terms of success and recognition within Korea). It would be interesting to know how many people became fans of the group after the show (or by the end of it), cause iirc, the show was almost considered a flop at the beginning bc of multiple boycotting attempts from Koreans who were against AKB48 getting involved. 

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27 minutes ago, _universo said:

Specialized training after debut? Does that exist? I don't think someone can get so much better in such a short span, they acquire experience, but the skills hardly ever improve that much. Chaewon was always a good vocalist, nothing changed after PD48. And Hyewon for example, I don't feel like she has improved that much. But I'm talking subjectively based on what I've watched. So again, I don't think the "real" line-up (the one from ep 11), would have worked as well as the current line-up imo. Without mentioning that I don't think the Korean public would've liked a group with so much Japanese members (now talking in terms of success and recognition within Korea). It would be interesting to know how many people became fans of the group after the show, cause iirc, the show was almost considered a flop bc of multiple boycotting attempts from Koreans who were against AKB48 getting involved.

Specialized training is just what I'd call it and it looks like it does, there's a reason why some trainees only get noticeably better after debut despite some not. Chaewon was always good but she wasn't the only good vocalist in PD48. That's cool if you think that way but I stand by what I said that any line up could have worked, Mnet had the ability to manipulate viewer interest through broadcast and edit. And as I've said earlier, Produce groups aren't made to appease general public, they feed stans that paid. The public can dislike it all they want but the tally holds. Fans after the show are the result of the cheerleader effect, the nobodies becoming somebodies could have been anyone else and it would work. Can't justify just because it gives a "supposedly" good result when it could have been good either way. Why should it be about success or recognition or acknowledgement when it should be for who it rightfully is. (Sorry, not a success stan)

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1 hour ago, Chjaru said:

Specialized training is just what I'd call it and it looks like it does, there's a reason why some trainees only get noticeably better after debut despite some not. Chaewon was always good but she wasn't the only good vocalist in PD48. That's cool if you think that way but I stand by what I said that any line up could have worked, Mnet had the ability to manipulate viewer interest through broadcast and edit. And as I've said earlier, Produce groups aren't made to appease general public, they feed stans that paid. The public can dislike it all they want but the tally holds. Fans after the show are the result of the cheerleader effect, the nobodies becoming somebodies could have been anyone else and it would work. Can't justify just because it gives a "supposedly" good result when it could have been good either way.

Well I respect your opinion, but I still disagree with this. Imo, it's on-stage experience what you're talking about. 

I know where you're coming from and I agree with a lot of things, that Produce groups are not made to appease the general public, cheerleader effect, etc. But I don't think you're taking context into account, you're talking from a very wide and general perspective, but dismissing important details that might have took a toll on everything. If you're interested, I'd recommend to you to read this blog from a Korean viewer which explains a lot of things, including the atmosphere in Korea at the time the show aired, how and why the reactions were different from previous seasons, etc. I admit that I'm not 100% sure about my posture on the groups' success and recognition if the line-up were different, perhaps you're right and the formula would've worked just the same. But my opinion on the group's overall performative skills, balance and how it looks like as a whole (which was my main point) still stands. So I guess we will just agree to disagree on this one.

Edit; Also yes, Chaewon wasn't the only good vocalist in PD48, but again, I'm comparing the current line-up, with the supposedly real line-up (ep 11).

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2 minutes ago, _universo said:

Well I respect your opinion, but I still disagree with this. Imo, it's on-stage experience what you're talking about.

I know where you're coming from and I agree with a lot of things, that Produce groups are not made to appease the general public, cheerleader effect, etc. But I don't think you're taking context into account, you're talking from a very wide and general perspective, but dismissing important details that might have took a toll on everything. If you're interested, I'd recommend to you to read this blog from a Korean viewer which explains a lot of things, including the atmosphere in Korea at the time the show aired, how and why the reactions were different from previous seasons, etc. I admit that I'm not 100% sure about my posture on the groups' success and recognition if the line-up were different, perhaps you're right and the formula would've worked just the same. But my opinion on the group's overall performative skills, balance and how it looks like as a whole (which was my main point) still stands. So I guess we will just agree to disagree on this one.

Practice counts as training, on-stage experience counts as training, doesn't matter where you do it, you absorb the work all the same. Whoever the members end up being, they'll all get better and fit in with the Produce push.

Read it and it does allude to my point though, I'll give it that. They'll potentially support the line up regardless if what it looks like, so there was no need to rig anything. Producer-nims get to pick but they didn't get who they picked. Power of production does wonders and they'll mesh with each other all the same, all mix and match. And of course anyone can say that it looks good now because it's what everyone's already seen, we don't know any of the what could haves for certain and we never will.

34 minutes ago, _universo said:

So I guess we will just agree to disagree on this one.

 

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Ofc they are rigged but they have talent..The other trainees could have the same popularity and talent too should they got in regardless...theres no justifying the fact that they are rigged..i just feel sad for those who could have all the attention and popularity but didnt. 

Anyways, those 4 are most pushed member in izone lol

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6 hours ago, Chjaru said:

Practice counts as training, on-stage experience counts as training, doesn't matter where you do it, you absorb the work all the same. Whoever the members end up being, they'll all get better and fit in with the Produce push.

Read it and it does allude to my point though, I'll give it that. They'll potentially support the line up regardless if what it looks like, so there was no need to rig anything. Producer-nims get to pick but they didn't get who they picked. Power of production does wonders and they'll mesh with each other all the same, all mix and match. And of course anyone can say that it looks good now because it's what everyone's already seen, we don't know any of the what could haves for certain and we never will.

 

But again, this hardly ever level up your vocal or dancing skills, it mostly improves your stage presence. I don't think any of the girls of the "real" line-up aside from Eunbi, Chaeyeon and Yujin (who are part of the actual line-up), would have suddenly became main vocal material. It's not realistic. As far as I know the only idol who has been able to do that is Shinee's Taemin, and it took him several years under SM's training system, which is known to be one of the best vocal training system in the whole industry.

1 hour ago, hynapia said:

Wonyoung is rigged?? But she was in the top 5 basically since ep 1...

Nothing was confirmed and the rigged members were never revealed, I guess OP is just speculating. I think the final statement was that everyone was rigged. But we know that Starship and Woollim were some of the most involved companies. So yeah, it's possible.

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1 hour ago, hynapia said:

Wonyoung is rigged?? But she was in the top 5 basically since ep 1...

She always was one of the faves.

Maybe the rumor is number one position of Wonyoung was rigged. Maybe Sakura was always real number one but the producers rigged position for not let a japanese in 1st place.

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1 hour ago, _universo said:

But again, this hardly ever level up your vocal or dancing skills, it mostly improves your stage presence. I don't think any of the girls of the "real" line-up aside from Eunbi, Chaeyeon and Yujin (who are part of the actual line-up), would have suddenly became main vocal material. It's not realistic. As far as I know the only idol who has been able to do that is Shinee's Taemin, and it took him several years under SM's training system, which is known to be one of the best vocal training system in the whole industry.

 I won't argue with that, like I said before, no one votes because they want to fill a certain position in a group, they just want their faves in. lol

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39 minutes ago, Chjaru said:

 I won't argue with that, like I said before, no one votes because they want to fill a certain position in a group, they just want their faves in. lol

Okay, so? That's not what I was trying to argue with you in the first place, Idk why you keep talking about people wanting their faves in when that's not even relevant to this thread.

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1 minute ago, _universo said:

Okay, so? That's not what I was trying to argue with you in the first place, Idk why you keep talking about people wanting their faves in when that's not even relevant to this thread.

I'm not trying to argue with you in the first place? That point was only brought up because of how the topic digressed after you decided to quote me? Then don't @ me, you're the one who did.

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19 minutes ago, Chjaru said:

I'm not trying to argue with you in the first place? That point was only brought up because of how the topic digressed after you decided to quote me? Then don't @ me, you're the one who did.

But you still replied to me and kept going with the discussion. But you just keep bringing up the same point when I made clear from the beginning that was not what I was going for.

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But you still replied to me and kept going with the discussion. But you just keep bringing up the same point when I made clear from the beginning that was not what I was going for.

Like I said, I'm only answering to you because you're quoting me. If you don't want to keep up with the discussion you started and don't have anything more constructive to add then we're done here.

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You left off some member like Yujin who was 100% not getting on the final lineup without the riggage,her popularity drop off weeks before the final.

 

Somepeople would hate me for it but yes,I'm bitter and will remain so because Sakura would undoubtedly gotten #1 and center if it wasn't for this nasty work from the respective member company,its even more painful when you look at Fiesta and Sakura have little exposure when she deserves better.

 

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