satoori 45,814 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I remember back in the days when barely anyone talked about music charts and sales. Now fans have stats, data, and breakdowns for everything When did the community become so competitive? What generation? Why? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Goodbye 112 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Maybe because Kpop is more global now than before, idk.. been thinking the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerchic88 9,477 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) As far back as I can remember at least which is with EXO.  EXOL have always been about the charts. Physicals obviously. Keeping EXO in the melon #1 position for ‘x’ number of days. Winning every vote. Winning every music show. Winning ever daesang. Etc etc etc. Edited December 2, 2019 by haikyuuboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belkiss 22,803 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 when melon was created  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkpanda_spirit 14,647 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I started seeing this with 3rd gen groups. but I was only on facebook when it was 2nd gen so maybe it's just me who didn't see fans talking about numbers idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rananicolee 10,264 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 May 8 1964 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Peachy 1,282 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I don't know when it started, but I definitely remember some of the fandoms I was in in 2011-2012 cared a lot about charts. The charts affected the chances of winning the weekly music show awards, and everyone was quite competitive about those. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoori 45,814 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, BeautifulGoodbye said: Maybe because Kpop is more global now than before, idk.. been thinking the same thing Global expansion. that's a good point Just now, haikyuuboo said: As far back as I can remember at least which is with EXO.  EXOL have always been about the charts. Physicals obviously. Keeping EXO in the melon #1 position for ‘x’ number of days. Winning every vote. Winning every music show. Winning ever daesang. Etc etc etc. Make sense. EXO fandom have always been known as a powerful and strong fandom. BTS fans were not always as competitive. It probably wasn't till after the saejagi accusations that we started paying more attention to everything. So mid 2015. So maybe 3rd generation is around the time the community became into charts and sales.  Just now, Belkiss said: when melon was created  in 2004? nah the first award show was in 2009 tho, hmmmm 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruppi 9,190 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 It picked up more and more once netizen translation pages popped up. Charts always mattered but before people mostly talked about it once award season arrived. I remember it picking up from 2012 and it got worse with 3rd gen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ari 12,217 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 somewhere around 2012 miss the old good times when no one cared lmao 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belkiss 22,803 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, satoori said:  in 2004? nah the first award show was in 2009 tho, hmmmm I thought it was created in 2009 so yeah, my original intention is 2009. Technically, 2008 the beginning of the severe competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerchic88 9,477 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, satoori said: Global expansion. that's a good point Make sense. EXO fandom have always been known as a powerful and strong fandom. BTS fans were not always as competitive. It probably wasn't till after the saejagi accusations that we started paying more attention to everything. So mid 2015. So maybe 3rd generation is around the time the community became into charts and sales.  in 2004? nah the first award show was in 2009 tho, hmmmm More they started caring when the fandom blew up. The bigger the fandom the more you care obviously.  And 3rd gen is where we have the biggest fandoms esp English speaking ones. Edited December 2, 2019 by haikyuuboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoori 45,814 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Belkiss said: I thought it was created in 2009 so yeah, my original intention is 2009. Technically, 2008 the beginning of the severe competition the chart service was created in 2004  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoori 45,814 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Seems most people so far are saying 2012 and on-wards. 3rd generation Global expansion and big fandoms  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple4444 292 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) Well earlier on before everything became so assessible we were more worried about where will find footage and subs of our faves latest variety show, or the latest episode of mubank so you didn't even have time to worry about charts. Heck, I didn't even know or realize if the groups I liked were considered popular or not. People were mainly iinterested in getting more content. IÂ would definitely say the start of 3rd gen. The community got bigger and more stable so you could now afford to care about other things and people learned more about the kpop industry, including charts and sales Edited December 2, 2019 by Apple4444 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satoori 45,814 Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, Apple4444 said: Well earlier on before everything became so assessible we were more worried about where will find footage and subs of our faves latest variety show, or the latest episode of mubank so you didn't even have time to worry about charts. Heck, I didn't even know or realize if the groups I liked were considered popular or not. People were many interested in getting more content. relatable! this is me  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amix 12,096 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Only true 90s kids will remember when OH didnt have a Charts and Sales section and all the posts would clog up the News section 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usagi. 13,668 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 For quite a while, I remember Sones compiling data. Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abra 40,910 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 For as long as I've been on forums, although it was more about music show wins then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondgrade 5,588 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 since forever but it only became serious business in 2016 when BTS broke the youtube record i remember the shift so clearly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanWink Is Real 13,912 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 since army cared about it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capital 855 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Since SONEs compiled data to brag - digitals and physicals both. 2nd Gen stans were super competitive. Also, music show wins and year-end awards depend on chart data - why wouldn't fans and idols themselves care? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo29 17,806 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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