[NB] BTS doesn't make it on Grammy Awards nomination

[RiseLikeACrowTit]

BTS run the world, it's the Grammys who need BTS for prense and rating, just sit and watch Ratmys fload the Grammys red carpet with BTS merchandise and turn it into a BTS event only

 

I predicted first!

[alm94]

5 minutes ago, satoori said:

bts did good, yes

but what do their album sales in the us look like compared to the other pop artist nominated?

they didn't have any song with a real impact with general public. i wouldn't consider bwl a big hit either in the us

not saying these things are necessary for a pop artist to be nominated...but it is something to think about..

bts album sales did well. They sold about the same as some nominated. And their are artists who alot of people haven't even heard of that got nominated. I love HER but she didn't have a huge hit, was pretty lowkey this year. The Grammys will nominate who they want and sometimes they snub people tbh.

 

[gummybear_dragon]

If they were this popular during their HYYH days then they would've definitely gotten a nom.

[rananicolee]

Personally I don’t mind they didn’t get nominated. I’m just happy they’re successful. 

[johnnyrose]

1 hour ago, Ash-Pikachu said:

- It's not only about album sales. This is the same ceremony that shafted Bieber on the rookie award for some nugu.

put some respek on Esperanza Spalding's name hoe .. but yes .

[johnnyrose]

41 minutes ago, Winter Bear said:

The Recording Academy clearly wants BTS to do well, they’ve gone above and beyond with the things they’ve done with them. 

What the RA can’t control is the monster they’ve created, the voters, who are old, largely male, largely white and stuck in their lazy, old and xenophobic ways.

The fact BTS was considered is a big deal in itself, the fact that a wide spectrum of people are talking about them in the positive and that they were snubbed, is again a positive. 
 

We’ll smash more records and make more history with BTS in the coming year, for now stream BWL / DNA on Spotify and YouTube and look forward to the next comeback.

[satoori]

1 hour ago, alm94 said:

bts album sales did well. They sold about the same as some nominated. And their are artists who alot of people haven't even heard of that got nominated. I love HER but she didn't have a huge hit, was pretty lowkey this year. The Grammys will nominate who they want and sometimes they snub people tbh.

 

So you're trying to tell me, BTS sold similar amounts of their albums in the us alone? Not that I don't trust you but I need receipts.

 

I'm not talking about other artist. I'm talking about BTS, a Korean boy band plus singing in Korean trying to break barriers with the Grammys...

[secondgrade]

they got snubbed but ok

[Nofave]

maybe next year it is still great accomplishment to be under the talks of a potential nomination!!! proud of bts 

[Where is A-YO?]

6 hours ago, Ash-Pikachu said:

2. [+742, -82] At the end of the article, it mentions that the Grammy judges more on artistic ability and musicality rather than popularity. You have to admit that their standards are different from Korean award ceremonies.

lol is that why Cardi B won Best Rap album last year? 

5 hours ago, satoori said:

bts did good, yes

but what do their album sales in the us look like compared to the other pop artist nominated?

they didn't have any song with a real impact with general public. i wouldn't consider bwl a big hit either in the us

not saying these things are necessary for a pop artist to be nominated...but it is something to think about..

If we're going to judge based upon that, MOTS: Persona outsold and had more impact in the US than Father of the Bride so how is it that Vampire Weekend was nominated for Album of the Year?

[deobizone]

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Grammy judges more on artistic ability and musicality rather than popularity

I wouldnt say this is right exactly tbh...

Grammy just goes for the safe picks. not to rustle feathers if picking 'most artistic' would be it. like look at a few years ago bruno mars sweeped (robbed melodrama of aoty just saying) and the year before, adele sweeped. while the big awards were full of other big artists. and again, melodrama was the best album of 2017. but everyone listens to adele, bruno. when adele cb its just like, an event. & hello was big. and bruno retro vibe was really popular. so his songs and album was real popular. i mean, ig in korea you can predict the winner/noms just based on statistics. but also like with grammys and other awards here, maybe you cant definitively say from statistics, but its still really predictable from how its just playing safe, more than award the most artistic or talented.

Spoiler

like look at the oscars as well, they are known for not nominating big studio films usually, but a lot of arthouse films. but esp with the actors i'd say, i think you can predict easily. like look at the actor, like some actors are nominated always, and if theyre praised, or the movie is artistically praised by critics, they're a pretty good guess. but you cant rly say its most talented wins because toni collette wasnt even nom lastyear for hereditary cuz they rarely nominate horror when that was prob the best acting of last year... i know florence pugh will be snubbed the same way this year (Midsommar), and would be surprised if lupita gets nom for Us tho many think she will. its just that horror, is not as easy to give it to cuz its not as much as a safe pick cuz not everyone watches horror as they will other genres. some have passed this like silence of the lambs & get out... but its rare sadly cuz its been proven esp recently.. a lot of good acting in some horror movies, & worthy of praise and a huge award. speaking of florence, i alr see hype for her for supporting actress nom for little women, which i can alr see saoirse will be nom for best actress, greta for director, and best picture. and it isnt even out til christmas. albeit screeners have went out,critics have seen it.. but u could tell this before that tbh. greta and saoirse are given nominations. not that im complaining, i am anticipating this movie cuz im a fan of the cast, im excited to see greta's vision of the story. and i really hope florence at least can snatch that supporting actress cuz i read reviews she is amazing in it, not that i can be surprised by that. but glad shes in oscar predictions for it. 

 

[satoori]

47 minutes ago, Where is A-YO? said:

If we're going to judge based upon that, MOTS: Persona outsold and had more impact in the US than Father of the Bride so how is it that Vampire Weekend was nominated for Album of the Year?

First off, I had to look up what that even was :))))...An American indie rock band....my point.

I didn't say it was "only" base on sales, if you read the entire conversation. I also said compared to other "pop" artist. It's not fair, but those are some of things to think about. Why a local award show like the Grammys with many barriers already might not consider BTS. Basically BTS have to work harder then their competitors. 

Side note: Some of the barriers - 1. A boy band 2. doing pop music 3. as a foreigner 4. from Asia 5. not in English...that's already FIVE huge barriers BTS are up against. Plus, there are more.

It's not going to be easy. Next comeback tho...every single American Army need to try and buy their albums from American distributors. Amazon, Target, etc. Many of us are still buying from online Kpop stores (which are located in Korea or China). We also need to try to get a #1 on BB Hot 100. I'm not saying all this will guarantee anything. But We can at least put up a better fight.

Edited November 21, 2019 by satoori

[AwkwardMango]

NGL, I feel a bit disappointed but whatever. 

[pururin]

Grammys OVER 

[redlovespucca]

Congrats if they did get nominated, but it's ok if they didn't idrc tbvh

The important thing is they keep going and doing great in the industry

People already know their impact btw, with or without this year Grammys nomination  hoho  

[Where is A-YO?]

5 hours ago, satoori said:

First off, I had to look up what that even was :))))...An American indie rock band....my point.

I didn't say it was "only" base on sales, if you read the entire conversation. I also said compared to other "pop" artist. It's not fair, but those are some of things to think about. Why a local award show like the Grammys with many barriers already might not consider BTS. Basically BTS have to work harder then their competitors. 

Side note: Some of the barriers - 1. A boy band 2. doing pop music 3. as a foreigner 4. from Asia 5. not in English...that's already FIVE huge barriers BTS are up against. Plus, there are more.

It's not going to be easy. Next comeback tho...every single American Army need to try and buy their albums from American distributors. Amazon, Target, etc. Many of us are still buying from online Kpop stores (which are located in Korea or China). We also need to try to get a #1 on BB Hot 100. I'm not saying all this will guarantee anything. But We can at least put up a better fight.

I get that it's not just about sales in the case of some of the nominees but that's why it still confuses me on what exactly the criteria is for these nominations to be picked. It's become increasingly obvious that this award show has become a popularity contest when it comes to nominating most and then throwing a handful of nominees in based upon subjective factors which puts into question of why this award show is regarded so highly.

Another thing that I don't get is why the number of nominees seems to fluctuate between each year and even within the same year. I mean the categories this year change between different numbers of nominees and last year best pop duo/group had 8 noninees and now it has only 5.

At this point, I don't think BTS will ever get a grammy nomination for their music because they will never overcome the perceived bias the recording academy judges have for those barriers you mention.

[satoori]

20 minutes ago, Where is A-YO? said:

I get that it's not just about sales in the case of some of the nominees but that's why it still confuses me on what exactly the criteria is for these nominations to be picked. It's become increasingly obvious that this award show has become a popularity contest when it comes to nominating most and then throwing a handful of nominees in based upon subjective factors which puts into question of why this award show is regarded so highly.

Another thing that I don't get is why the number of nominees seems to fluctuate between each year and even within the same year. I mean the categories this year change between different numbers of nominees and last year best pop duo/group had 8 noninees and now it has only 5.

At this point, I don't think BTS will ever get a grammy nomination for their music because they will never overcome the perceived bias the recording academy judges have for those barriers you mention.

I'm just as confuse about the criteria as you lol. I just figure it doesn't hurt to keep working hard and improving. 

I also agree with what you're saying about it becoming a popularity contest. Especially with pop artist.Which is why I mention their sales could be better.

I'm keeping my expectations low too, ngl.  I feel if BTS are not nominated before they start to enlist then it's going to get harder. (they're so group oriented they might not submit their music with out being all 7...)

Edited November 21, 2019 by satoori