i'm back from eating with the fam...

[satoori]

So my controversial topics are relevant now huh...and many here said it was stupid to talk about. When all i was trying to do was get OH active again~

 

So a while back I made a thread that got out of hand. I presented OH with a hypothetical question: What's the purpose of girl groups financially, nowadays?

 I listed different reasons that the Kpop community have discussed over the years. Such as; GG stans are not loyal, girl groups majority of time not the breadwinners of a company, lack touring power, and more. Basically financially they don't support a company, as much as some of y'all tried to claim.  Plus, recently girl groups are not even doing well in the area they were known for and depended on - the general public.  Boy groups are starting to do just fine in this area. They get big paying CFs and endorsements too.

 

I hear recently MAMAMOO Moonbyul said something relevant to this?

Edited November 18, 2019 by satoori
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[Belkiss]

Elaborate

[hungerbee27]

Sad that I missed that thread.

It sound hot

[tamarind]

twice brings money and investment and profit and loyal fans idk what u mean

[satoori]

4 minutes ago, tamarind said:

twice brings money and investment and profit and loyal fans idk what u mean

as i said then, twice and blackpink do not represent the majority

so only using them as example doesn't prove anything. in fact, it further supports the claim that most times girl groups are not as profitable

side note - twice have slipped this year with the general public. tho we'll see how next year will go. 

side note(2): looking at yg quarterly operational report is also very interesting...

Edited November 18, 2019 by satoori

[satoori]

i suspect this time this thread will be a lot less active

then, almost everyone came out of lurking to drag me 

anyways to everyone lurking support fromis_9!!!

 

 

[hungerbee27]

So I was thinking about what you said...

If it's not about financially support , what can a GG bring for companies?

[grooot]

u need GGs for that market diversity 

there is a demographic that buys into them. no they dont make as much as BGs.

why do u ask that question. bc u think that debuting girl groups is useless only BGs are beneficial? e

[satoori]

6 minutes ago, hungerbee27 said:

So I was thinking about what you said...

If it's not about financially support , what can a GG bring for companies?

Then, people mainly said, simply to diversified a companies portfolio.

Some tried to claim that girl group can get CFs that boy groups can't such  as gaming, soju (the laws are changing recently tho), etc. But I mean, does that even matter, If a boy group can make up the difference getting CFs and endorsements of their own too...

Edited November 18, 2019 by satoori

[satoori]

Just now, grooot said:

u need GGs for that market diversity 

there is a demographic that buys into them. no they dont make as much as BGs.

why do u ask that question. bc u think that debuting girl groups is useless only BGs are beneficial? e

it was simply a hypothetical question. a discussion

 

by the way, me making this topic does not mean i don't support girl groups tho..

[grooot]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

it was simply a hypothetical question. a discussion

 

by the way, me making this topic does not mean i don't support girl groups tho..

whats the hypothetical part. discussion on what; what GGs bring to the table bc thy dont bring in money? 

[Haze]

5 minutes ago, satoori said:

it was simply a hypothetical question. a discussion

 

by the way, me making this topic does not mean i don't support girl groups tho..

You can support your favorites but it doesn’t change the fact that this whole “hypothetical” discussion stemmed from a mindset that’s very hinged and determined on belittling GG’s efforts and success in the general scheme of things no matter the answers or arguments you hear. Otherwise I don’t see why’d you want to regurgitate the same question again.

just my 2 cents. Good luck with the thread.

[satoori]

Just now, grooot said:

whats the hypothetical part. discussion on what; what GGs bring to the table bc thy dont bring in money? 

At the time, we didn't know how unwell GGs were doing  ...(we didn't know twice would not be nominated at melon, yg in the negatives, moonbyul, etc.)

It was an opportunity for all us OHers to have a calm and collected discussion. 

One hypothetical situation I shared - Some companies should stick to producing boy groups, if they can't manage girl groups well.  I gave the example of JE in Japan. 

[satoori]

4 minutes ago, Haze said:

You can support your favorites but it doesn’t change the fact that this whole “hypothetical” discussion stemmed from a mindset that’s very hinged and determined on belittling GG’s efforts and success in the general scheme of things no matter the answers or arguments you hear. Otherwise I don’t see why’d you want to regurgitate the same question again.

just my 2 cents. Good luck with the thread.

This is exactly what I'm saying. Y'all assumed the worse of me, base on what?

Just because you don't like the controversial topic? 

When did I belittle GGs efforts and success?

I simply wanted to have a discussion that was..is relevant right now.

Instead of being negative towards me, people could of presented ideas about how companies might can do better financially. Maybe examine what JYPE is doing with Twice...or even what Mnet/CJ have been able to do with ioi/izone (before the scandal)

Edited November 18, 2019 by satoori

[Usagi.]

Stan loona

[Haze]

20 minutes ago, satoori said:

This is exactly what I'm saying. Y'all assumed the worse of me, base on what?

Just because you don't like the controversial topic? 

When did I belittle GGs efforts and success?

I simply wanted to have a discussion that was..is relevant right now.

Instead of being negative towards me, people could of presented ideas about how companies might can do better financially. Maybe examine what JYPE is doing with Twice...or even what Mnet/CJ have been able to do with ioi/izone (before the scandal)

See, there’s a great deal of irony in you saying we’re negative when the entire premise of the first thread and this very one thrives off a negative and entitled question.

why are GG’s useless? Something along the lines of that, right? So the majority aren’t bringing in the same income average as BG’s, so what? You can feign and pose the question “ peoPlE can Present IdeAs of how- “

But the thing is, they’re not supporting nor entertaining your argument nor fake concern. Where are y o u r ideas in great length how to make the GG economy “crisis” great again.

the origin to this discussion was simply because you wanted to say they’re generally useless, not come together and discuss it in a civil matter. I mean I know the old thread is well deleted now but you’re going to pretend you weren’t getting your kicks off in there and were serious in a mutual nice discussion.

You don’t want a calm and collected discussion, you’re fishing  for some elitist and biased one. One people are fortunately smart enough not to entertain you this time around because you’re set on your stance.

edit: If you want me to keep bumping this thread, won.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Haze

[satoori]

Just now, Usagi. said:

Stan loona

any idea when they're expected to make a comeback?

my heart can handle just so much. i'm currently stanning a new gen girl group that hasn't made a comeback in months :((((

 

[satoori]

Just now, Haze said:

See, there’s a great deal of irony in you saying we’re negative when the entire premise of the first thread and this very one thrives off a negative and entitled question.

why are GG’s useless? Something along the lines of that, right? So the majority aren’t bringing in the same income average as BG’s, so what? You can feign and pose the question “ peoPlE can Present IdeAs of how- “

But the thing is, they’re not supporting nor entertaining your argument nor fake concern. Where are y o u r ideas in great length how to make the GG economy “crisis” great again.

the origin to this discussion was simply because you wanted to say they’re generally useless, not come together and discuss it in a civil matter. I mean I know the old thread is well deleted now but you’re going to pretend you weren’t getting your kicks off in there and were serious in a mutual nice discussion.

You don’t want a calm and collected discussion, you’re fishing  for some elitist and biased one. One people are fortunately smart enough not to entertain you this time around because you’re set on your stance.

The threads were derive from comments the kpop community have discussed for years. Also recently, all year OHers have made threads about how girl groups were not doing well in 2019. No one was negative to the OPs, then. People either agreed or gave examples. 

Suddenly I make a topic about how girl groups recently are not as profitable...and people are triggered?

Again you're not providing any solutions to how companies can manage girl groups better. Good day~

 

[Usagi.]

Just now, satoori said:

any idea when they're expected to make a comeback?

my heart can handle just so much. i'm currently stanning a new gen girl group that hasn't made a comeback in months :((((

 

I dont think they will cb this year at all

[satoori]

3 minutes ago, Usagi. said:

I dont think they will cb this year at all

just like fromis...two of the most anticipated girl group from 2018, and their companies are already making odd management decisions...

so they're not doing the japanese debut either?  i remember there being a thread..

 

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by satoori

[bronx.]

GGs are more interesting and gp seems more interested in em. *Case closed*

[grooot]

52 minutes ago, satoori said:

At the time, we didn't know how unwell GGs were doing  ...(we didn't know twice would not be nominated at melon, yg in the negatives, moonbyul, etc.)

It was an opportunity for all us OHers to have a calm and collected discussion. 

One hypothetical situation I shared - Some companies should stick to producing boy groups, if they can't manage girl groups well.  I gave the example of JE in Japan. 

I know u wanna say this is an innocent discussion and im givin u the benefit of the doubt in that u truly believe that. so all imma say is that that ur topic implies that groups are simply measured financially and therefore there is logically no point in investing in girl groups bc BGs bring in more cash. That is the implication whether u like it or not. Theres nothing hypothetical abt ur topic, hypothetical implies a situation. U didnt set this up as a good discussion

Ur projecting stubbornness and knobheadery ("evryone is getting mad while im just presenting a simple topic of discussion :o!!!") so im not gonna get into it witchu but Haze eloquently posted a lot of relevant points

Edited November 18, 2019 by grooot

[satoori]

Just now, grooot said:

I know u wanna say this is an innocent discussion and im givin u the benefit of the doubt in that u truly believe that. so all imma say is that that ur topic implies that groups are simply measured financially and therefore there is logically no point in investing in girl groups bc BGs bring in more cash. That is the implication whether u like it or not. Theres nothing hypothetical abt ur topic, hypothetical implies a situation. U didnt set this up as a good discussion

Ur projecting stubbornness and knobheadery so im not gonna get into it witchu but Haze eloquently posted a lot of relevant points

So you feel companies don't measure groups financially..at some point?

Companies neglect groups and favor others all the time. For example: I've seen companies push a group to the side  in order to focus on another group more. One of the reasons people often say is it's due to financial ones.

 

[rockerchic88]

Not at you again making these stupid claims. You didn’t make any sense then and you dont make any now  

You’re talking like as if GG’s make NO money. BGs and GGs are sources of income. It doesn’t really matter if one source makes more than the other. This is why so many companies have so many different things they invest in not even just BG/GG but literally so many different things. It’s always a good idea to have your foot in multiple things. 

If you’re asking if a company ONLY made GGs will they ever be profitable/successful. Who knows. We don’t really have an example for that. That’s the actual question you’re asking. Because I don’t think you’re that stupid that you don’t understand alternate sources of income. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by haikyuuboo

[satoori]

Just now, haikyuuboo said:

Not at you again making these stupid claims. You didn’t make any sense then and you dont make any now  

You’re talking like as if GG’s make NO money. BGs and GGs are sources of income. It doesn’t really matter if one source makes more than the other. This is why so many companies have so many different things they invest in not even just BG/GG but literally so many different things. It’s always a good idea to have your foot in multiple things. 

If you’re asking if a company ONLY made GGs will they ever be profitable/successful. Who knows. We don’t really have an example for that. That’s the actual question you’re asking. Because I don’t think you’re that stupid that you don’t understand alternate sources of income. 

A diversified portfolio can be nice...for some..

 Do you think some companies who are not good at managing GGs should stick to just managing BGs?