[knetizen] The New York Times refers to SuperM’s gimmick (Updates: Rolling Stone, Kpop Herald, BuzzFeed)

[minhoe]

4 minutes ago, Kally said:

Billboard 200 is supposed to reflect music consumption ONLY in the US, not international sales, as simple as that. Gaon has nothing to do with this, they've always counted international sales.

It's to reflect music consumption and purchases from US stores/points of purchase, it doesn't make a difference if someone from the South Pole buys a copy in JFK airport waiting for a connecting flight, it still counts as a sale towards Billboard. It's a not nationalistic chart 4 American passport holders only

Edited October 16, 2019 by minhoe

[JENKAI]

1 minute ago, Kally said:

Billboard 200 is supposed to reflect music consumption ONLY in the US, not international sales, as simple as that. Gaon has nothing to do with this, they've always counted international sales.

hanteo is a domestic chart as much as billboard chart.

also back to what i said, they literally only sold the albums in US stores. Non american had to buy from those stores, there was no other way. Billboard decided to count them, its not like SuperM themselves forced Billboard to count the albums shipped outside of the country. 

[Ariya]

Why it is scam now to buy the album through American stores yet you all buy album through stores that count to Hanteo, Gaon and Oricon to boost the chart too? 

Actually the real question is why suddenly it is a matter when there are no "pure" now because everyone sell their album at least with one gimmicks?

[satoori]

8 minutes ago, minhoe said:

would the people who buy multiple kpop albums for certain random photo cards or collect all members photo cards still buy multiple copies if there was no photo card? if a tree falls in the wood and no one is around to hear it, did it even fall?

 

Would you say AKB48 is guilty of the same thing as buying a single gives you one vote/lottery entry for the nightly concerts and a vote in the girl championship thing to decide who will be the lead girl for the next release?

point is i don't know why suddenly this sort of thing is an issue now when SM archives something that disrupts the ongoing narrative about who is top in kpop

Comparing a cheap piece of paper card to merchandise and concert tickets is absolutely not the same. The customer is still buying the physical album. There's nothing wrong with changing up the packaging of an album. Why? Because at the end of the day it's still an album. 

 

I've seen some Jfans drag some in Japanese industry for these things too.

[minhoe]

1 minute ago, JENKAI said:

hanteo is a domestic chart as much as billboard chart.

also back to what i said, they literally only sold the albums in US stores. Non american had to buy from those stores, there was no other way. Billboard decided to count them, its not like SuperM themselves forced Billboard to count the albums shipped outside of the country. 

This. Kpop album sales in Korea would be dwindled by hundreds of thousands if you took away all the bulk buying imports by Chinese fan sites if we were to take this "american sales 4 americans only - make billboard great again!" argument seriously

 

[Kally]

1 minute ago, minhoe said:

It's to reflect music consumption and purchases from US stores/points of purchase, it doesn't make a difference if someone from the South Pole buys a copy in JFK airport waiting for a connecting flight, it still counts as a sale towards Billboard. It's a not nationalistic chart 4 Americans only 

 

1 minute ago, JENKAI said:

hanteo is a domestic chart as much as billboard chart.

also back to what i said, they literally only sold the albums in US stores. Non american had to buy from those stores, there was no other way. Billboard decided to count them, its not like SuperM themselves forced Billboard to count the albums shipped outside of the country. 

It's a US chart supposed to count only US sales, what's not clicking? It's not that hard to comprehend 

[minhoe]

1 minute ago, satoori said:

Comparing a cheap piece of paper card to merchandise and concert tickets is absolutely not the same. The customer is still buying the physical album. There's nothing wrong with changing up the packaging of an album. Why? Because at the end of the day it's still an album. 

 

I've seen some Jfans drag some in Japanese industry for these things too.

cheap piece of paper card..sounds like a concert ticket to me. If anything SM is giving fans more value of money, a concert ticket and merchandise is so much better value than a photo card. SM should be praised.

[satoori]

Just now, minhoe said:

This. Kpop album sales in Korea would be dwindled by hundreds of thousands if you took away all the bulk buying imports by Chinese fan sites if we were to take this "american sales 4 americans only - make billboard great again!" argument seriously

 

Only groups that rely mostly on Chinese fans...traditionally SM (as we can also see in the photo you posted)

Nowadays many new gen groups have other fans, even SM groups. It's also a lot easier to buy albums for some too.

So the industry would not dwindle compeltly.

 

[minhoe]

Just now, Kally said:

 

It's a US chart supposed to count only US sales, what's not clicking? It's not that hard to comprehend 

They are US sales regardless of where they ended up honey. If I buy an album here and take it with me to France, it doesn't make it a France sale does it.

[minhoe]

Why is it only army identifying users that has a problem allowing SM one week at number on billboard..let it go, SM has bigger problems right now

[Mr.Skinny-penis]

this been going on for a long ass time why is it a problem when superM does it?

[Acer]

8 minutes ago, JENKAI said:

hanteo is a domestic chart as much as billboard chart.

also back to what i said, they literally only sold the albums in US stores. Non american had to buy from those stores, there was no other way. Billboard decided to count them, its not like SuperM themselves forced Billboard to count the albums shipped outside of the country. 

The problem is those customer don't live in the US and non US sales get counted for BB200. The BB 200 chart supposed to reflect only US population consumption. What SM-CR did is a fraud. They found a loophole to surpass the system. Super M no.1 on BB 200 doesn't show us they have demand in the US, it only shows they have demand out side of US. 

 

Edited October 16, 2019 by Acer

[minhoe]

1 minute ago, Acer said:

The problem is those customer don't live in the US and non US sales get counted for BB200. The BB 200 chart supposed to reflect only US population consumption. What SM-CR did is a fraud. They found a loophole to surpass the system. Super M no.1 on BB 200 doesn't show us they have demand in the US, it only shows they have demand out side of US. 

 

do you have a percentage breakdown of Super M's bllboard sales by shipping address/country or something?

[Kally]

Just now, minhoe said:

They are US sales regardless of where they ended up honey. If I buy an album here and take it with me to France, it doesn't make it a France sale does it.

That's not the same, people from Korea are buying it and it counts on Billboard, that's a scam whether you like it or not.

[minhoe]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Skinny-penis said:

this been going on for a long ass time why is it a problem when superM does it?

Because they hate to see anything from Kpop that isn't BTS in international news or being praised. It's hard supporting the underdogs when all you get is conspiracy theories thrown at you 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, minhoe said:

cheap piece of paper card..sounds like a concert ticket to me. If anything SM is giving fans more value of money, a concert ticket and merchandise is so much better value than a photo card. SM should be praised.

 

u serious? 

[satoori]

Just now, minhoe said:

cheap piece of paper card..sounds like a concert ticket to me. If anything SM is giving fans more value of money, a concert ticket and merchandise is so much better value than a photo card. SM should be praised.

Lol the price of a concert ticket is not the same as a photo card (which again is simply part of the packaging of the album - fans themselves choose to collect them)

 

 You know it's perfectly acceptable to like the group and not agree with management(?) You're fighting so hard for something that objectively doesn't make sense. That potentially will have new rules next year.

 

[car door guy]

Can someone defending this, logically, explain to me how and why international sales are being counted on the American chart bb200? This is a whole scam and I am ???? that people don't take my opinion seriously because they think it's just hating bc iM thReATeNed. SM discovered the way to make sales not reflecting american demand...count on the bb200. This is truly shocking! If you want to call yourselves the KPOP avengers, that ain't it.

Edited October 16, 2019 by car door guy

[minhoe]

Just now, Kally said:

That's not the same, people from Korea are buying it and it counts on Billboard, that's a scam whether you like it or not.

Would you say the same for Korean imports of Japanese releases by Korean idols or Chinese fans buying Kpop albums?
If so, should sites ask to see a scan of passports to ensure that only sales by countrymen are counted?

[irlpadam]

so yall just gonna continue to bully the members lol i’m sick

[minhoe]

Just now, satoori said:

Lol the price of a concert ticket is not the same as a photo card (which again is simply part of the packaging of the album - fans themselves choose to collect them)

 

 You know it's perfectly acceptable to like the group and not agree with management(?) You're fighting so hard for something that objectively doesn't make sense. That potentially will have new rules next year.

 

I'm just stumped as to why it's an issue now. Look at Madonna or anyone other act..buying a concert ticket from her automatically gives the person buying the ticket a digital download of her latest album that count towards billboard if they want it or not. This isn't something SM or Capitol has started to fool everyone else

[Monti]

I've read way too many people saying western artists like Taylor, Gaga or Ariana have done this bundle thing, but do they know why no one trash them? because they can still sell MILLIONS of albums without doing those tactics or at least they have the streaming numbers to compensate the lack of physical sales (and they're consistent).

TBH SuperM didn't do anything wrong, they didn't cheat. They tried way too hard? yes. Should SM mediaplay this in Korea and say they're popular like BTS? no (sadly thats probably whats going to happen). But at leas it is a good start for them and I hope they learn from this experience. 

 

[Mr.Skinny-penis]

57 minutes ago, minhoe said:

Because they hate to see anything from Kpop that isn't BTS in international news or being praised. It's hard supporting the underdogs when all you get is conspiracy theories thrown at you 

BTS isnt the only kpop group lol

they need to know this

now that they know that theres a market for kpop in the US 

many well try to promote in the US

 

[Acer]

Just now, minhoe said:

do you have a percentage breakdown of Super M's bllboard sales by shipping address/country or something?

 It is only BB/Nelson/SM shops knows  

What SM did is a scam. 

 

[satoori]

3 minutes ago, minhoe said:

Why is it only army identifying users that has a problem allowing SM one week at number on billboard..let it go, SM has bigger problems right now

Read the second post in this thread.

In general, many have been following the topic of bundles way before SuperM. So it's natural to keep up with current events