[knetizen] SuperM’s ‘Jopping’ debut stage, lip-sync?

[bye-bye]

SuperM’s ‘Jopping’ debut stage

SuperM’s ‘Jopping’ first stage at Showcase

Reaction video of members

original post: theqoo

 

1. But why did they name the group SuperM? I saw it yesterday and I think it’s a Super Junior unit …

2. Live?? or lip-sync

3. Kai and Mark are doing well

4. SM’s strategy is a bit strange … KPOP songs don’t have much English lyrics. Why don’t they sing the English song instead of the song with too many English lyrics and some Korean lyrics? This style is not different from NCT?

5. Taemin, Baekhyun, and Mark are good

6. I was hoping that they would sing live, but they seemed to lip-sync

7. Really … Why don’t they sing live? Why? I’m really curious

8. K-pop idols, don’t they always lip-sync?ㅋㅋㅋ I always see idol groups lip-syncing. Just be good at dancing on stage…
-> Hey, I watched Bangtan and NCT stages in the US, but they all sang live, why is SuperM not possible?
-> They debuted as singers in the US, not as dancers. It’s ridiculous that they call themselves the Kpop Avengers.

9. Do they sing live? I don’t think they sing live

10. They’re good at the stage, but why don’t they sing live?

11. Lip-sync?ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

12. Kai is really good at taking over the stage.

13. Today is their first stage, are they lip syncing to focus on dance? Afterwards, some people didn’t understand that the first stage was important. I know the members are good. If they want to show a good performance, they should practice hard to sing live. Or they should not call themselves the Kpop Avengers.

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[bye-bye]

taemin is really good

Edited October 6, 2019 by bye-bye

[Hormones.]

If they lip sync so what ? every group has done it at some point especially when there's a lot of choreo going on, and we all know that SM vocalists are extraordinary when it comes to that so they don't really have much to prove.

[Teddy.]

37 minutes ago, bye-bye said:

12. Kai is really good at taking over the stage.

 

[eternal glow]

Everyone has lip synced before, big deal. Considering how hard they're being pushed as a performance group (and the kind of song Jopping is), it's not surprising if they were told to lip sync in favour of the choreo. Pretty sure they'll perform it live some time later anyway, which I'm looking forward to seeing. 

[MinnieMax]

Idk what to feel... From one side it was obviously not live and after the amount of avengers promo it just looks.... From other side most of them are good at performing live so it might be the lack of preparation/time. Their dance moves looked uncoordinated with each other too so my guess is on limited amount of time for practicing as a group. Basically it feels a bit green

[Just Peachy]

Since they're targeting the US market, they should really try to tone down the lip sync as much as possible. Lip sync is looked down upon even more in the US than in Korea, and a lot of big artists get backlash even if they just do it once. It's been associated with something fake and manipulative ever since the many big 80s lip sync scandals of e.g. Milli Vanilli and Boney M plagued the industry. Maybe just stick to a loud backtrack during the chorus or something?

[Yanagi]

honestly baekhyun has showed he doesnt need 2 lipsync so i dont really care if he does because he sounds good either way.

ten as well occasionally taemin is really good if he stops with the whispercore vocals, but the rest .... meh.

 

[ruppi]

Eh SM groups sometimes lip sync the first stage, just to make sure the performance looks perfect. No need to make it a big deal, they all will be performing it live soon.

[Yanagi]

38 minutes ago, Just Peachy said:

Since they're targeting the US market, they should really try to tone down the lip sync as much as possible. Lip sync is looked down upon even more in the US than in Korea, and a lot of big artists get backlash even if they just do it once. It's been associated with something fake and manipulative ever since the many big 80s lip sync scandals of e.g. Milli Vanilli and Boney M plagued the industry. Maybe just stick to a loud backtrack during the chorus or something?

Uh actually Milli Vanilli faked their voices even in studio recordings it was actually two different people singing instead of the actual duo. Same with the lead vocalist of Boney M.

Lipsyncing live has never been a problem as long as you got talent to back it up. 

Most singers get flack for lipsyncing because they're no actual singer perfomers: like a rapper lipsyncing or simply just a vocalist like Adele is completely unnecessary compared to singer-dancer-performers like SuperM or any kpop dance group. 

In the mid 80s: When Billie Jean just got dropped, MJ used to lipsync Billie Jean when he danced because he was scared of his voice cracking during the higher notes.

Example: Motown 25

But the rest of the performance medley of Motown 25 he sang live. And as the years went he got more confident he started dancing and singing live to that song and other choreo heavy songs.

And clearly its no problem for Baekhyun and Kai to sing/rap live while dancing.

So them lipsyncing in some concerts, or first week recordings of music shows is no problem. As long as They're not lipsyncing because the they can't sing live: and they're lipsyncing to preserve their voice. Its ok. Like many professional singers and performers do. Every professional singer performer knows when it's necessary to lipsync on live performances and when not to.

 

[Cobalt]

Weird choice to lipsync considering NCT did it live on Jimmy Kimmel (and prob other places too). Lack of time might have been a factor but it's not gonna work in their favour if they continue to do so. 

This style is not different from NCT?

Word

[johnnyrose]

that was not the smartest thing to do.

[johnnyrose]

26 minutes ago, Yanagi said:

Uh actually Milli Vanilli faked their voices even in studio recordings it was actually two different people singing instead of the actual duo. Same with the lead vocalist of Boney M.

Lipsyncing live has never been a problem as long as you got talent to back it up. 

Most singers get flack for lipsyncing because they're no actual singer perfomers: like a rapper lipsyncing or simply just a vocalist like Adele is completely unnecessary compared to singer-dancer-performers like SuperM or any kpop dance group. 

In the mid 80s: When Billie Jean just got dropped, MJ used to lipsync Billie Jean when he danced because he was scared of his voice cracking during the higher notes.

Example: Motown 25

But the rest of the performance medley of Motown 25 he sang live. And as the years went he got more confident he started dancing and singing live to that song and other choreo heavy songs.

And clearly its no problem for Baekhyun and Kai to sing/rap live while dancing.

So them lipsyncing in some concerts, or first week recordings of music shows is no problem. As long as They're not lipsyncing because the they can't sing live: and they're lipsyncing to preserve their voice. Its ok. Like many professional singers and performers do. Every professional singer performer knows when it's necessary to lipsync on live performances and when not to.

 

but we don't know SuperM, they're a new group trying to make an impact, we don't know their talent.
its forgivable when MJ did it at MT25 and Beyonce at the inauguration, and Beyonce still 'defended' herself a week
later by singing the national anthem at the Spuer Bowl press conference just to shut people up.
its forgivable cause we already know. being the new kid in town and lip syncing kinda turns you into Ashley Simpson.
or Selena Gomez.

Edited October 6, 2019 by johnnyrose

[nefhilim]

2 hours ago, bye-bye said:

8. K-pop idols, don’t they always lip-sync?ㅋㅋㅋ I always see idol groups lip-syncing. Just be good at dancing on stage…
-> Hey, I watched Bangtan and NCT stages in the US, but they all sang live, why is SuperM not possible?
-> They debuted as singers in the US, not as dancers. It’s ridiculous that they call themselves the Kpop Avengers.

 

[Just Peachy]

39 minutes ago, Yanagi said:

Uh actually Milli Vanilli faked their voices even in studio recordings it was actually two different people singing instead of the actual duo. Same with the lead vocalist of Boney M.

Lipsyncing live has never been a problem as long as you got talent to back it up. 

Most singers get flack for lipsyncing because they're no actual singer perfomers: like a rapper lipsyncing or simply just a vocalist like Adele is completely unnecessary compared to singer-dancer-performers like SuperM or any kpop dance group. 

In the mid 80s: When Billie Jean just got dropped, MJ used to lipsync Billie Jean when he danced because he was scared of his voice cracking during the higher notes.

Example: Motown 25

But the rest of the performance medley of Motown 25 he sang live. And as the years went he got more confident he started dancing and singing live to that song and other choreo heavy songs.

And clearly its no problem for Baekhyun and Kai to sing/rap live while dancing.

So them lipsyncing in some concerts, or first week recordings of music shows is no problem. As long as They're not lipsyncing because the they can't sing live: and they're lipsyncing to preserve their voice. Its ok. Like many professional singers and performers do. Every professional singer performer knows when it's necessary to lipsync on live performances and when not to.

 

And that's exactly why lip syncing NOW has a really bad connotation in the US. Milli Vanilli and Boney M used it to fake their entire careers. Lip syncing always gets hate in the US. Even Beyonce has gotten hate for it, and everyone knows she can sing. 

Edited October 6, 2019 by Just Peachy

[rananicolee]

18 minutes ago, Just Peachy said:

And that's exactly why lip syncing NOW has a really bad connotation in the US. Milli Vanilli and Boney M used it to fake their entire careers. Lip syncing always gets hate in the US. Even Beyonce has gotten hate for it, and everyone knows she can sing. 

And never forget how everyone mocked Ashlee Simpson for it. Britney Spears always got dragged for lipsyncing. 

[johnnyrose]

5 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

And never forget how everyone mocked Ashlee Simpson for it. Britney Spears always got dragged for lipsyncing. 

remember last year it was a major headline that Britney DIDN'T lip sync
for a bit during her vegas show. albeit breifly, still she made a point.
i honestly think Brit is the only one who can get away with publicly
lip syncing. we just want the girl to be okay. just keep staying healthy
and bright and living your life Britney.  work bitch.

[Chu chu~]

i had a feeling they would lipsync in this, but i enjoyed the performance regardless

tens dance break had me

[minhoe]

SM always lipsync the debut stage and also NCT are not strong live performers so SM had to consider that

[Yanagi]

44 minutes ago, Just Peachy said:

And that's exactly why lip syncing NOW has a really bad connotation in the US. Milli Vanilli and Boney M used it to fake their entire careers. Lip syncing always gets hate in the US. Even Beyonce has gotten hate for it, and everyone knows she can sing. 

 

25 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

And never forget how everyone mocked Ashlee Simpson for it. Britney Spears always got dragged for lipsyncing. 

Except it doesn't, not in this day and age where mainstream artists barely have any talent at all.

We aren't stuck in the 2000s lmao. Ashlee didn't get hate just for lipsinging the performance

This is why she got hate and essentially black listed. Its not of her lipsync it's basically the fact that almost every single time she performed she didn't put any energy into it and obviously lipsynced. Ex. her halftime performance.

And Beyonce gets hate for everything by the white mainstream media and tabloids, so using her as an example isn't wise. Beyonce has showed her entire career that she doesn't need lipsync and her singing live gets labeled as lipsync by the media when the whole inauguration thing wasn't even that big of a deal.

She said she sang along with a pre recorderd track which is totally different than stating she said she lip sync. Her mic was lowered. She never really lip sang so it wasnt that big of a deal.

 

Her voice echoed right around the timestamp, it only does that when you sing along live to a pre recorded song. Not when it's purely lip sung.

But anyways we are talking about lipsyncing today. Literally half of the mainstream pop artists you know today can't hold a note even while sitting down. 

Nowadays social media and streaming has allowed people with barely any talent gain fame. Back then you had to have a lot of talent and/or extremely good looks.

So granted back then lipsyncing was super taboo (compared to today) to do during award shows or tv performances, unless you had status to shield that. But it's fact that almost 60 percent of singer from the 90s to early 2000s used to lipsync during their concerts and private shows. But it wasn't as severe as it is today, the reason why lipsinging isn't is because it's basically normalized.

56 minutes ago, johnnyrose said:

but we don't know SuperM, they're a new group trying to make an impact, we don't know their talent.
its forgivable when MJ did it at MT25 and Beyonce at the inauguration, and Beyonce still 'defended' herself a week
later by singing the national anthem at the Spuer Bowl press conference just to shut people up.
its forgivable cause we already know. being the new kid in town and lip syncing kinda turns you into Ashley Simpson.
or Selena Gomez.

SuperM is a group catered to western KPOP stans so yes, we know their talents. It's not like their showcase was aired on MTV or something.

Spoiler

Also Selena was never looked as an actual artist, so people hated her regardless for being a former disney star.

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by Yanagi

[johnnyrose]

3 minutes ago, Yanagi said:

 

Except it doesn't, not in this day and age where mainstream artists barely have any talent at all.

We aren't stuck in the 2000s lmao. Ashlee didn't get hate just for lipsinging the performance

This is why she got hate and essentially black listed. Its not of her lipsync it's basically the fact that almost every single time she performed she didn't put any energy into it and obviously lipsynced. Ex. her halftime performance.

And Beyonce gets hate for everything by the white mainstream media and tabloids, so using her as an example isn't wise. Beyonce has showed her entire career that she doesn't need lipsync and her singing live gets labeled as lipsync by the media when the whole inauguration thing wasn't even that big of a deal.

She said she sang along with a pre recorderd track which is totally different than stating she said she lip sync. Her mic was lowered. She never really lip sang so it wasnt that big of a deal.

 

Her voice echoed right around the timestamp, it only does that when you sing along live to a pre recorded song. Not when it's purely lip sung.

But anyways we are talking about lipsyncing today. Literally half of the mainstream pop artists you know today can't hold a note even while sitting down. 

Nowadays social media and streaming has allowed people with barely any talent gain fame. Back then you had to have a lot of talent and/or extremely good looks.

So granted back then lipsyncing was super taboo (compared to today) to do during award shows or tv performances, unless you had status to shield that. But it's fact that almost 60 percent of singer from the 90s to early 2000s used to lipsync during their concerts and private shows. But it wasn't as severe as it is today, the reason why lipsinging isn't is because it's basically normalized.

SuperM is a group catered to western KPOP stans so yes, we know their talents. It's not like their showcase was aired on MTV or something.

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Also Selena was never looked as an actual artist, so people hated her regardless for being a former disney star.

 

[rananicolee]

20 minutes ago, johnnyrose said:

remember last year it was a major headline that Britney DIDN'T lip sync
for a bit during her vegas show. albeit breifly, still she made a point.
i honestly think Brit is the only one who can get away with publicly
lip syncing. we just want the girl to be okay. just keep staying healthy
and bright and living your life Britney.  work bitch.

omg yesss. I think now people don't care but just a few years ago that girl was draaaggged. 

But now some artists will still get dragged. 

[Just Peachy]

23 minutes ago, Yanagi said:

 

Except it doesn't, not in this day and age where mainstream artists barely have any talent at all.

We aren't stuck in the 2000s lmao. Ashlee didn't get hate just for lipsinging the performance

This is why she got hate and essentially black listed. Its not of her lipsync it's basically the fact that almost every single time she performed she didn't put any energy into it and obviously lipsynced. Ex. her halftime performance.

And Beyonce gets hate for everything by the white mainstream media and tabloids, so using her as an example isn't wise. Beyonce has showed her entire career that she doesn't need lipsync and her singing live gets labeled as lipsync by the media when the whole inauguration thing wasn't even that big of a deal.

She said she sang along with a pre recorderd track which is totally different than stating she said she lip sync. Her mic was lowered. She never really lip sang so it wasnt that big of a deal.

 

Her voice echoed right around the timestamp, it only does that when you sing along live to a pre recorded song. Not when it's purely lip sung.

But anyways we are talking about lipsyncing today. Literally half of the mainstream pop artists you know today can't hold a note even while sitting down. 

Nowadays social media and streaming has allowed people with barely any talent gain fame. Back then you had to have a lot of talent and/or extremely good looks.

So granted even then lipsyncing was super taboo to do during award shows, unless you had status to shield that. But it's fact that almost 60 percent of singer from the 90s to early 2000s used to lipsync during their concerts and private shows.

SuperM is a group catered to western KPOP stans so yes, we know their talents. It's not like their showcase was aired on MTV or something.

  Reveal hidden contents

Also Selena was never looked as an actual artist, so people hated her regardless for being a former disney star.

 

Why are you trying so hard to change the narrative around lip syncing? People in the US, and the west in general, don't respect lip syncing unless the artist is sick (and even then there's gonna be a lot of complainers). That's just common knowledge. Every artist gets slammed for even just one lip sync performance. Ariana, Mariah in her peak days, Celine Dion, Beyonce, RHCP, Muse, Jason Derulo, Bruno Mars etc... The list is literally endless. People just generally don't respect it. Live music is valued higher than a dance performance here.

If you don't care about your idols lip syncing that's your right to do so, but don't expect the US gp to feel the same way.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Just Peachy

[Yanagi]

26 minutes ago, Just Peachy said:

Jesus Christ, why are you trying so hard to change the narrative around lip syncing? People in the US, and the west in general, don't respect lip syncing unless the artist is sick (and even then there's gonna be a lot of complainers). That's just common knowledge. Every artists gets slammed for even just one lip sync performance. Ariana, Mariah in her peak days, Celine Dion, Beyonce, RHCP, Muse, Bruno Mars etc... The list is literally endless. People just generally don't respect it. Live music is valued higher than a dance performance here.

If you don't care about your idols lip syncing that's your right to do so, but don't expect the US gp to feel the same way.

Guess you're confusing US Gp with media, fans and tabloids.

Because people literally don't care about lipsyncing these days, guessing you don't keep up with the US music scene?

Singers these days have compilation vidoes 10 minutes long of them lipsycning and the comment section is ''who cares''.

This performance was watched by 5 million people live and it was completely lipsynced, only difference from lipsyncing today and 10 years ago is that they're way more creative. You wouldn't know she lipsang unless you analysed her. 

(Sorry 4 the thumbnail)

Lipsyncing has always been taboo, it's way less taboo now though where you have A list singers lipsync on award shows. And the system has been improved from circa 15 years ago where it would be way easier to clock someone lipsyncing to now where you cant see if someone is lipsinging at all lol.

Same with the korean music industry, half of the idol groups barely sing live at all, and to think in the same industry people used to be mocked for it.

Just saying lol. If you don't wanna hear it fine: I study music n all this stuff in school and on my leisure time so  I didnt pull this fact out of my ass.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Yanagi

[Yanagi]

@just peachy

either way i dont agree with u and u dont agree w me so lets just put it at that. respect it tho