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https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/us/texas-officer-shoots-woman/index.html

 

A shaky cell phone video captured the moments before a Texas police officer shot and killed a woman who claimed she was pregnant.
 
Now people on social media are divided over whether the shooting was justified.
The officer was patrolling an apartment complex in the Houston suburb of Baytown late Monday when he saw a woman he knew from previous encounters, Baytown police said.
A family member identified the woman as Pamela Shantay Turner. In a text message Tuesday, police Lt. Steve Dorris said Turner was not pregnant.
The officer knew the 45-year-old woman had outstanding warrants and started trying to arrest her, police said.
 
A witness' cell phone video showed the woman yelling at the officer:
"I'm walking! I'm actually walking to my house!" the woman screams at him. She later says the officer is "harassing" her.
The video shows the officer apparently trying to handcuff the woman, but she breaks free. The officer then fires his Taser stun gun, and the woman slowly drops to the ground.
A scuffle ensues. The woman keeps yelling "Why?" but the officer isn't heard answering.
As the officer keeps trying to arrest the woman, she flails her arms and yells, "I'm pregnant!"
The struggle continued, and according to Baytown police, the woman "was able to gain control of the Taser and used it on the officer."
In the video, the woman appears to reach for the officer, who stands back and fires five shots toward her.
 
Baytown police said the officer tried to give first aid to the woman, but she was pronounced dead at the scene.
Floyd Rubin, who shares two children with Turner, told CNN that police have not shared any details with his family about the shooting.
Turner's sister Antoinette told CNN affiliate KPRC that the woman has two children in their 20s and three grandchildren.
The officer's name has not been released, but Baytown police said he is an 11-year veteran of the department. He is on paid administrative leave as authorities investigate.
"The Harris County District Attorney's Office is on scene and assisting in the investigation, as is normal in these types of incidents," police said.
Police are asking the person who shot the cell phone video to come forward to help with the investigation, Dorris said.
But he said it was "unfortunate" that the witness shared footage of the killing online.
"It's unfortunate that somebody take a tragic incident like this and start posting it on social media," he said. "That's extremely disrespectful for everybody involved."
 
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"According to police, the officer tried to deploy his Taser at the woman during the struggle. When he tried to handcuff her, she grabbed the Taser and turned it back on the officer. The Taser grazed the officer, something police call a “drive stun,†zapping him momentarily. That’s when he pulled his gun and fired, Dorris said."
 
 
 
an 11-year veteran resorting to his gun the SECOND the person he's trying to arrest grazes him with the weapon HE'S USING ON HER
 
and apparently she was literally just walking to her house, UNARMED, not doing harm to anyone until the police officer tried to arrest her with no explanation whatsoever
 
what does the officer get? paid fucking administrative leave
 
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Doesn't matter if she was walking to her house, she had outstanding warrants meaning that the officer did actually have the right to arrest her. That wasn't harassment, it was him doing his job. 

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Doesn't matter if she was walking to her house, she had outstanding warrants meaning that the officer did actually have the right to arrest her. That wasn't harassment, it was him doing his job. 

 

Yes I agree, even though it's a sad situation the lady brought this upon herself. If she didn't resist arrest and used the police taser against him she wouldn't have died.

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nothing to be dived about, a taser is not a deadly weapon

 

Her "struggling" against the officer should not be fucking death sentence. wow .

 

His life wasn't at risk at all. II think i read somewhere that he had a history of bothering her too

 

Sentence he should deserve:  First degree Murder (on 2 accounts- the woman and the child)

 

What he'll get: A sunny vacation in Florida

 

Police Officers in this country are never held accountable for anything- especially when a Black Victim is at the end of it.  Not all Officers are bad, but too many of the bad ones go unpunished.

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Doesn't sound like his life was in danger. No reason to shoot her five times. Fuck the police. 

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Doesn't matter if she was walking to her house, she had outstanding warrants meaning that the officer did actually have the right to arrest her. That wasn't harassment, it was him doing his job. 

 

 

Yes I agree, even though it's a sad situation the lady brought this upon herself. If she didn't resist arrest and used the police taser against him she wouldn't have died.

 

 

if he had simply tried to arrest her that would've been fine

 

what's not fine is that this police officer decided to shoot at her five times because she had GRAZED him with his own taser, which he was using on her in the first place

 

if a situation is becoming problematic then call for backup instead of using lethal force when something is JUST starting to go wrong ffs

 

she was clearly panicked/didn't understand why she was being arrested if you watch the video, her resisting arrest did not mean she deserved to die, she DID NOT bring this on herself

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Yes I agree, even though it's a sad situation the lady brought this upon herself. If she didn't resist arrest and used the police taser against him she wouldn't have died.

 

Yeah, and that's where the situation escalated. Had she not grabbed the taser (plenty of people who are getting arrested / get tasered do not attempt to grab the taser and zap the officer with it) the situation would have been handled very differently. Now, at the same time I'm not agreeing with the fact that the "drive stun" warranted FIVE gunshots into the victim.

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if he had simply tried to arrest her that would've been fine

 

what's not fine is that this police officer decided to shoot at her five times because she had GRAZED him with his own taser, which he was using on her in the first place

 

if a situation is becoming problematic then call for backup instead of using lethal force when something is JUST starting to go wrong ffs

 

she was clearly panicked/didn't understand why she was being arrested if you watch the video, her resisting arrest did not mean she deserved to die, she DID NOT bring this on herself

 

 

I definitely do not agree with what the police did of course, but if you have arrest warrants and you see a cop....and fighting cops isn't a ever a good idea....either way it's unfortunate. 

Yeah, and that's where the situation escalated. Had she not grabbed the taser (plenty of people who are getting arrested / get tasered do not attempt to grab the taser and zap the officer with it) the situation would have been handled very differently. Now, at the same time I'm not agreeing with the fact that the "drive stun" warranted FIVE gunshots into the victim.

Same I agree with you completely. 

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if he had simply tried to arrest her that would've been fine

 

what's not fine is that this police officer decided to shoot at her five times because she had GRAZED him with his own taser, which he was using on her in the first place

 

if a situation is becoming problematic then call for backup instead of using lethal force when something is JUST starting to go wrong ffs

 

she was clearly panicked/didn't understand why she was being arrested if you watch the video, her resisting arrest did not mean she deserved to die, she DID NOT bring this on herself

Like I just said in my previous comment. "Had she not grabbed the taser (plenty of people who are getting arrested / get tasered do not attempt to grab the taser and zap the officer with it) the situation would have been handled very differently. Now, at the same time I'm not agreeing with the fact that the "drive stun" warranted FIVE gunshots into the victim."  The officer probably had the right to use the taser on her (departments typically have procedures to follow with when to use the taser), that didn't give her the right to try to grab the taser from him and zap him back. At the same time, he could have called for backup but you don't know when situations will escalate or how fast. She most likely knew that she had outstanding warrants at the time of the incident. 

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Like I just said in my previous comment. "Had she not grabbed the taser (plenty of people who are getting arrested / get tasered do not attempt to grab the taser and zap the officer with it) the situation would have been handled very differently. Now, at the same time I'm not agreeing with the fact that the "drive stun" warranted FIVE gunshots into the victim."  The officer probably had the right to use the taser on her (departments typically have procedures to follow with when to use the taser), that didn't give her the right to try to grab the taser from him and zap him back. At the same time, he could have called for backup but you don't know when situations will escalate or how fast. She most likely knew that she had outstanding warrants at the time of the incident. 

 

the woman had barely touched him with the taser, the police officer's life was nowhere near in danger, he had no right to take out a gun and shoot him

 

sure she shouldn't have tried to use the taser on him back but when she has nothing but half-control over a taser, the chances of a situation actually becoming life-threatening is very low

 

the officer pulling his gun and shooting should've never happened - he had the right to arrest her, not kill her just because she resisted

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I definitely do not agree with what the police did of course, but if you have arrest warrants and you see a cop....and fighting cops isn't a ever a good idea....either way it's unfortunate. 

Same I agree with you completely. 

 

 

definitely rip

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the woman had barely touched him with the taser, the police officer's life was nowhere near in danger, he had no right to take out a gun and shoot him

 

sure she shouldn't have tried to use the taser on him back but when she has nothing but half-control over a taser, the chances of a situation actually becoming life-threatening is very low

 

the officer pulling his gun and shooting should've never happened - he had the right to arrest her, not kill her just because she resisted

What was stopping her from simply using the taser again on him? How did he know she wasn't going to tase him again? The second she grabbed the taser the situation changed. But, like I said twice now: her "drive stunning" him did want warrant five gunshots. You'd think he'd have pepper sprayed her or something so she wouldn't be able to see where she was aiming, not pull out a gun and shoot her five times.

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First of all, the lady should not resist arrest. And she did reach for his weapon, the Taser and I think that was a legitimate reason for him to defend himself. Imagine if she did manage to stun him using the Taser and reach for his gun and shot him, well that's worse case scenario.

 

However, I do think 5 shots is a little bit suspicious. That is almost like intention to kill. He should have intended to unarm/just have to situation under control so one shot to non crucial area would have suffice.

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What was stopping her from simply using the taser again on him? How did he know she wasn't going to tase him again? The second she grabbed the taser the situation changed. But, like I said twice now: her "drive stunning" him did want warrant five gunshots. You'd think he'd have pepper sprayed her or something so she wouldn't be able to see where she was aiming, not pull out a gun and shoot her five times.

 

I don't think she had full control of the taser - they were fighting over it, it was the officer's decision to stop fighting over it and shoot her

 

and yeah pepper spray would've been a way more appropriate response to it

 

anyways my point is that he couldn't have expected her to go 100% peacefully especially with 11 years of experience as a police officer, it wasn't wrong that he tried to arrest her but him shooting her five times just because she tried to resist was very very wrong

 

pepper spray, calling for backup, etc would've been fine and appropriate, but lethal force??? absolutely no

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I don't think she had full control of the taser - they were fighting over it, it was the officer's decision to stop fighting over it and shoot her

 

and yeah pepper spray would've been a way more appropriate response to it

 

anyways my point is that he couldn't have expected her to go 100% peacefully especially with 11 years of experience as a police officer, it wasn't wrong that he tried to arrest her but him shooting her five times just because she tried to resist was very very wrong

 

pepper spray, calling for backup, etc would've been fine and appropriate, but lethal force??? absolutely no

Thinking about it, if he was wrestling with her over the taser it was probably difficult for him to reach his radio to call for backup. Still, pepper spray would have been the better weapon to go to next, plus officers are trained to be able to still work even when they themselves have been peppersprayed, so he could have worked through it to call for backup. Even if he hadn't expected her to go peacefully, I don't think he'd have anticipated her grabbing his taser. Still doesn't excuse the retaliating force. I've enjoyed discussing this with you~

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Doesn't matter if she was walking to her house, she had outstanding warrants meaning that the officer did actually have the right to arrest her. That wasn't harassment, it was him doing his job.

I agree. The officer shouldn't have shot her, but she shouldn't have tried to resist in the first place. She even attacked him with the taser. May not be life-threatening, but that's still a weapon, a police weapon which civilizans should not touch

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People defending this... he was not well trained at all

 

What kind of a police officer shoots a pregnant women 5 times, at POINT BLANK range and that too right after she tells him shes pregnant.

 

He could've just called for back up, or at extreme, shot her in the leg and that's all it would take? Taking his taser in no way justifies taking her and her baby's life

 

If he can't even handle a 45 year old pregnant women, what's he in the police force for.

 

I wonder if he'd still be on paid leave if she wasn't black

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