J-Pop fandom decline? (Part 2)

[DocumentaLy]

Since that thread isn't working since the forum is busted, I have made my own thread to respond.

 

 

 

So, i've been thinking about this lately. I just try and join on the Discord chat about related to J-Pop, but then i noticed almost all of the discord chat related to J-Pop is dead. One thing that bothers me is that is J-Pop fandom really declining? I just happend to find some people who liked J-Pop also moved on to K-pop in recent years.

 

Also, i am not sure how J-Pop fandom (both domestic and internationally) will keep longer since Japan keep tracking down all of the illegal upload and keep posting short MVs on their official YT channel a lot, is there a reason that J-Pop is getting less popular because Japanese companies are not interested in promoting J-Pop to the world?

 

(sorry for my poor English)

This is so out of touch with reality. Things have actually been getting better since the crackdown at the beginning of the decade.

 

I feel like the Arama Discord is busy.

 

I don't think the fandom is dying, but I do feel like it's very fragmented. It's not like KPop where everyone is basically listening to the same exact type of music, idol pop.

 

The two main groups of Japanese music fans now are idol fans and indie fans. The general JPop fandom of a decade ago that was centered around acts like Utada and Ayu is dead and gone, because that segment of the industry is dead and gone. If you're looking for stuff akin to Western top 40, you're better off sticking to KPop because Japan doesn't care to create acts like that anymore.

 

 

 

you said it yourself, accessibility is the key.

it's incredibly difficult to be be a jpop fan.

 

like it's hilarious, how some of them even charge money for music videos lmao

It's not that hard if you actually try. People just expect things to be handed to them.

 

 

 

Japanese companies are not only not interested in promoting J-pop to the world, but they FORBÄ°D it! Oricon doesn't count overseas sales. Anime producers forbid overseas shipments. Even Avex was doing smth as stupid as them. So no wonder that J-pop is dying.

 

I used to be into J-pop but then it got difficult even for russians. Previously we could have all Japanese content on VK and OK but then Japanese copyright owners found out about us and deleted all our content. So I said f*ck you all and stopped all my fan-activities. (I used to be one of technical admins of Johnny's groups fanpage).

 

So yeah. Soon J-pop obsession overseas will be died. Ä°t's dying even in Japan. Cos AKB48 girls started to seek for opportunities in K-pop. Johnny's started to seek for ways to expance their overseas audience. But they are too too late. And J-pop as an industry is like 20-30 years behind of the rest of the world.

 

So there is no hope.

No country counts overseas sales in their charts except Korea.

 

That's fine, but one thing about me is that i am getting a little bit fed up about J-Pop not giving us an international audience at all and it really drives me to move to K-Pop and its popular culture too.

 

I also noticed some news sites related to J-Pop (AramaJapan, TokyoHive, Jpopasia, etc) are in slow and they take long while to update its current news and affair happening to J-pop stuff, K-Pop related news (AllKpop, Soopmi) tend to update its news daily about a K-pop a lot. This makes somewhat J-Pop with foreigners lagging with their current interests happening to Japan (such as natalie music, where music news for that is being update daily, link: https://natalie.mu/music) and how long they can get translated to english is making no sense,

 

(sorry for my poor English)

I am the main writer for Arama and honestly, I have a life. My life isn't centered around Japanese music. I will post something, when I have the time. I'm not going to cancel plans and rush home to post something.

 

I don't think Japanese music is a lifestyle for most people who listen to it, which is a major difference from KPop. It's a hobby. And a lot of acts aren't constantly active. They're active when they have a new release, which could be every few years. The release cycle for a lot of Japanese acts isn't the same as it is for acts elsewhere. It's not as fast.

 

 

Honestly as a jpop fan getting access to fan content is sooo difficult and I think that'd one of the reasons a lot of international jpop fans lose interest.

 

Compared to Kpop, Jpop is like several years behind in terms of accesabilty which a reason why on international ground it's not huge even though it has the potential. From music videos for title tracks to audios of side tracks, you don't find anything and let' not even speak of live performances.

 

And honestly even if they try now it's way too late coz the attentions has shifted to Kpop now.

With the way groups like BTS, BP etc. are dominating the international market I don't see a way for jpop groups to go through (though that's just my personal opinion)

And tbvh I fear that Jpop groups won't appeal to global audiences because their style and concept kinda seems to be behind trends

Can you name me the acts that are lagging behind?

 

And what exactly is wrong with not keeping up with current trends? A lot of current trends are quite shit. It seems as if few people want things to actually be different in different places and instead want the same content but in different languages. Why bother then?

 

 

 

Instead of focusing so much on what you can't access, why not support the artists that DO make things accessible internationally.

 

Internationally streaming accessibility of Japanese music is getting better and better with more and more artists putting their music on Spotify and stuff.

 

There's hardly a lack of full MVs on Youtube that you can access, and there's a growing number of artists that have subtitles on their music videos.

 

This MV literally has subtitles in 15 languages and it's only 2 weeks old

 

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about! I just get annoyed when I see users I don't recognize talking about the scene as if they know what they're talking about. You, I've seen for years!

[DocumentaLy]

The international J-music fandom has been on a steep decline for years now and I'm not surprised.

 

I assume many of us older J-music fans have experienced a shift in our music tastes over the years. I for one have noticed I only listen to a very small handful of Japanese music acts now compared to 10+ years ago.

 

I personally find many newer and veteran Japanese acts music output too stagnant and bland for my liking. I, for the life of me, don't get the hype behind a lot of the current popular guitar wielding singer/songwriters in Japan. They bore me to tears sorry to say.

A lot of JPop fans are adults with jobs, as opposed to teens with no real responsiblities. I know several who have children.

 

Ughh, Aimyon is dull as all hell.

 

 

 

 

Just being real curious as I've seen similar topics being discussed over and over again.

 

Does decline of the fandom affect your music taste? I've been listing to J-music for over 20 years, while yes, there's some accessibility issues which frustrates me sometimes, but it doesn't 'switch' my music taste from J-music to Kpop just like that.

 

I couldn't get into Kpop albeit its easy accessibility and because it's just not my cup of tea. Obviously, it doesn't matter to me how big the fandom is.

The decline has no affect on my taste.

 

 

 

I am primarily a fan of Japanese music. Personally, I don't really participate much in online communities. I don't know if I'm an outlier, but perhaps there are a lot of silent fans like myself. I feel like K-pop fans are able to form communities more easily because everyone knows the same artists. The lineups of music shows and variety programs are more than enough to get a glimpse into who's relevant in the scene.

 

On the other hand, Japanese music fans are more fragmented (?) in a way. Sure, there are general J-pop fan communities, but I feel like a lot of the discussion actually takes place on a smaller scale in specialised communities. The 48/46 groups have their own forums, and the same goes for HP groups. There are also those who are purely into "anime music", mostly comprising anime fans. Back when I was into Vocaloid and Utattemita, it felt like an isolated community of its own too. There are various obscure fandoms, like people who are into Doujin music or some relatively unknown artist (whereby a Tumblr/LiveJournal fan page would suffice).

 

I admit that unlike K-pop, it's not going to be easy for a random person who knows nothing about Japanese music to chance upon an MV and learn more about the artist (or "sucked into the J-pop vortex"). I can't count the number of times I saw comments asking "what's the artist/song name?" because the title of the video was purely in Japanese.

 

Yet, I don't feel particularly deprived of content since many of my favourite artists make their music videos and songs available on YouTube and streaming platforms. This may be because I tend to follow smaller artists, but it's not like I don't know how to find content that is not widely available, since I have experience from when streaming was not a thing. I only subscribed to Apple Music last year and I was pleased to discover that a good proportion of my library was available. Also, while a lot of content is not subtitled, I'm able to make do as I've picked up Japanese over the years and can get by without subtitles, although I understand that this may turn off a lot of new fans.

 

In the end, J-pop will probably not have widespread appeal because it's not nicely packaged in an easy-to-consume form like K-pop is, but I still think that there is a sizable community of people who are into Japanese music. It's just hard to see since most are only interested in specific artists/genres.

The fragmentation is real! But the same thing is happening in Japan too. We're just following what is going on there.

 

 

 

More than the male artists including idols, I feel that JPop has a lot of innovative & creative interesting non-idols female artists that could attract tons of international fans & followings if marketed properly internationally. I think the patriarch & conservative Japan market restricting these wonderful ladies also contribute to the decline of J-Pop fandom since all around the world people are looking for something good & new but sometimes it feels like Japan would rather accept becoming less visible/relevant than giving these female artists more supports & platforms.

Look at all the buzz Haru Nemuri got last year.

 

 

 

I love Japanese culture and have been trying my hardest to get into the music but if I have to do somersaults just to listen to a song, I would rather move on. And I think it's the same for many other people, music is supposed to be relaxation and enjoyment, I shouldn't have to do some mission impossible level research to find an artist nor should I have to get a bachelors in the Japanese language.

It's a hobby. I collect art as one of my hobbies. Does this mean simply buying things? No. It means reading, doing research, going to galleries, going to museums, going to fairs, etc. Japanese music is the same thing.

 

 

 

Also the fact that a lot of J-pop fans simply don't care for variety shows and hence don't need subs and are ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC.

I feel like you're mocking me...

[hotsushi-kun]

Hey Ronald, the reason why i created this thread in the first place is because i have happend to noticed on J-Pop discord chat is nearly dead and it makes me thing that J-Pop somehow nearing declining.

 

While there is an K-Pop vs J-Pop debate a lot more, and which is better, a lot of people prefer K-Pop over J-Pop because of westernized songs whose J-Pop they still sound Japanese to me.

 

And also, how come J-Pop artists don't make their songs western makes it no sense to me, making their songs more western would be great. And J-Pop needing to be more accessbile would have been an great obvious, i know older J-POP from 1990s and 1980s also needed to be uploaded on YT too, but they should not region block it when they think they are not popular internationally. I feel like Japan don't know that they older J-Pop of 1990 and 1980 did not gain popular very well and they don't care at the international fans at all.

 

But at least J-Pop Reddit is still alive, but fanclubs on certain sites are dead.

 

At least we have some anime, manga and video games still having a large fanbase, but J-Pop and J-Drama fanbases are getting less growth when it comes in regards to exposure.

 

Also, i believe that you are the solo writer for the AramaJapan, but AramaJapan should really need more staff member to work in your project on that site that you're writing.

[Riri]

i don't have time nor do i want to read all of this thread but as for the discord chats i don't think that's true because i follow some group's discords and they're fairly trafficked. it also goes down to what groups you follow

[Mami3chan]

While there is an K-Pop vs J-Pop debate a lot more, and which is better, a lot of people prefer K-Pop over J-Pop because of westernized songs whose J-Pop they still sound Japanese to me.

 

And also, how come J-Pop artists don't make their songs western makes it no sense to me, making their songs more western would be great. And J-Pop needing to be more accessbile would have been an great obvious, i know older J-POP from 1990s and 1980s also needed to be uploaded on YT too, but they should not region block it when they think they are not popular internationally. I feel like Japan don't know that they older J-Pop of 1990 and 1980 did not gain popular very well and they don't care at the international fans at all.

 

if thats what you want just stick to kpop honestly, your argument is what doesn't make sense to me, i prefer Jpop the way it is they don't have to kiss western ass in order to do better there's no need for them to have cringy English lyrics in their songs like Kpop lol, and there's no need for Jpop to be popular worldwide, they still target Japanese audience the most and thats fine since the japanese audience tend be very loyal and spend a lot of money on their faves,. and of course since its Jpop its only makes sense that they sound Japanese lol,.

 

again you better just stick to Kpop or any other pop that sounds too westernized if thats what you're looking for but for the majority of actual jpop fans like myself although i am just a casual fan i like Jpop the way it is and i don't want them to be like Kpop, i don't like Blackpink and BTS music although they're very popular but i don't care about their popularity cause their popularity doesn't change my taste in music,.

 

and they don't have to care about international fans if they don't want to, but i care about the japanese culture in general and i have no problem to visit Japan often and i don't care if my favorite jpop artist doesn't visit or care about my country, its not that hard. also we find content elsewhere youtube is not the only option, recently HKT released a bunch of singles and some of the MVs only have short ver on youtube but i found the full versions elsewhere.

[hotsushi-kun]

if thats what you want just stick to kpop honestly, your argument is what doesn't make sense to me, i prefer Jpop the way it is they don't have to kiss western ass in order to do better there's no need for them to have cringy English lyrics in their songs like Kpop lol, and there's non need for Jpop to be popular worldwide, they still target Japanese audience the most and thats fine since the japanese audience tend be very loyal and spend a lot of money on their faves,. and of course since its Jpop its only makes sense that they sound Japanese,.

 

again you better just stick to Kpop or any other pop that sounds too westernized if thats what you're looking for but for the majority of actual jpop fans like myself although i am just a casual fan i like Jpop the way it is and i don't want them to be like Kpop, i don't like Blackpink and BTS music although they're very popular but i don't care about their popularity cause their popularity doesn't change my taste in music,.

 

and they don't have to care about international fans if they don't want to, but i care about the japanese culture in general and i have no problem to visit Japan, its not that hard. also we find content elsewhere youtube is not the only option, recently HKT released a bunch of singles and some of the MVs only have short ver on youtube but i found the full versions elsewhere.

That's fine, but one problem is that J-Pop don't tour internationally that much, compared to K-Pop, whom they tour more internationally than J-Pop are.

[justtree]

Look at all the buzz Haru Nemuri got last year.

Thanks for the introduction. Definitely an interesting artist & sounds.

She & many other Japan female musicians are what I am talking about. The experimental & unique sounds & take of the world from these female artists are refreshing & like a breathe of fresh air that quite possibly a lot of people around the world are interested to hear had they know more of them. Social media has been instrumental for these female acts to gain global visibility but I think the long-term sustainability & development of their career and arts would require more.

[Emsa]

if thats what you want just stick to kpop honestly, your argument is what doesn't make sense to me, i prefer Jpop the way it is they don't have to kiss western ass in order to do better there's no need for them to have cringy English lyrics in their songs like Kpop lol, and there's non need for Jpop to be popular worldwide, they still target Japanese audience the most and thats fine since the japanese audience tend be very loyal and spend a lot of money on their faves,. and of course since its Jpop its only makes sense that they sound Japanese lol,.

 

again you better just stick to Kpop or any other pop that sounds too westernized if thats what you're looking for but for the majority of actual jpop fans like myself although i am just a casual fan i like Jpop the way it is and i don't want them to be like Kpop, i don't like Blackpink and BTS music although they're very popular but i don't care about their popularity cause their popularity doesn't change my taste in music,.

 

and they don't have to care about international fans if they don't want to, but i care about the japanese culture in general and i have no problem to visit Japan often and i don't care if my favorite jpop artist doesn't visit or care about my country, its not that hard. also we find content elsewhere youtube is not the only option, recently HKT released a bunch of singles and some of the MVs only have short ver on youtube but i found the full versions elsewhere.

You can defend your precious jpop idols without pretending that taking advantage of bigger markets = kissing western ass.

[Mami3chan]

That's fine, but one problem is that J-Pop don't tour internationally that much, compared to K-Pop, whom they tour more internationally than J-Pop are.

of course because Kpop is more popular worldwide and Jpop is not so it makes sense, what the point of doing international tours if they are not popular internationally? and they are not targeting the international market to begin with,. i mean even AKB48 current gaol is to hold a concert at Tokyo Dome again while SKE48's gaol is to hold a concert at Nagoya Dome,.

 

the likes of "Babymetal" is another story as well as "Scandal" which a Jrock female band who both did some tours in western countries,.

 

Kpop is what you're looking for, Jpop won't satisfy you unless you have no problem digging into the Internet and watching tons of shows without subs and not interested to see your faves in person and lastly the Japanese songs that sound like Japanese lol,.

[hotsushi-kun]

of course because Kpop is more popular worldwide and Jpop is not so it makes sense, what the point of doing international tours if they are not popular internationally? and they are not targeting the international market to begin with,. i mean even AKB48 current gaol is to hold a concert at Tokyo Dome again while SKE48's gaol is to hold a concert at Nagoya Dome,.

 

the likes of "Babymetal" is another story as well as "Scandal" which a Jrock female band who both did some tours in western countries,.

 

Kpop is what you're looking for, Jpop won't satisfy you unless you have no problem digging into the Internet and watching tons of shows without subs and not interested to see your faves in person and lastly the Japanese songs that sound like Japanese lol,.

That's right J-Pop don't want to tour, but some J-pop international fans still yearn for J-pop artists to come into their country and do an tour.

 

I also know J-Pop artists mostly tour for anime convention, that's the only thing i know so far.

 

Also, i heard about J-Pop Summit held in US is being cancelled and i am not sure if they start it again this year.

[DocumentaLy]

Hey Ronald, the reason why i created this thread in the first place is because i have happend to noticed on J-Pop discord chat is nearly dead and it makes me thing that J-Pop somehow nearing declining.

 

While there is an K-Pop vs J-Pop debate a lot more, and which is better, a lot of people prefer K-Pop over J-Pop because of westernized songs whose J-Pop they still sound Japanese to me.

 

And also, how come J-Pop artists don't make their songs western makes it no sense to me, making their songs more western would be great. And J-Pop needing to be more accessbile would have been an great obvious, i know older J-POP from 1990s and 1980s also needed to be uploaded on YT too, but they should not region block it when they think they are not popular internationally. I feel like Japan don't know that they older J-Pop of 1990 and 1980 did not gain popular very well and they don't care at the international fans at all.

 

But at least J-Pop Reddit is still alive, but fanclubs on certain sites are dead.

 

At least we have some anime, manga and video games still having a large fanbase, but J-Pop and J-Drama fanbases are getting less growth when it comes in regards to exposure.

 

Also, i believe that you are the solo writer for the AramaJapan, but AramaJapan should really need more staff member to work in your project on that site that you're writing.

 

Some people, like myself, don't care for current Western trends and are looking for an alternative. That is why some like Japanese music.

 

There are some Japanese acts with more Westernized songs, and often times these acts are criticized by a segment of fans in Japan and overseas, acts like Namie, the LDH acts, RIRI, etc.

 

Some Japanese acts don't want to make trendy Western sounding music because that is not who they are. One thing that I like about Japanese music is that it is more centered on an artist's creativity. A lot of acts are the sole writers / composers of their songs. They don't have a massive songwriting and production team creating their sound. It's them themselves doing it.

 

There is a ton of old JPop from the 80s and 90s on YouTube. And WTF are you talking about in regards to them not knowing it was popular overseas? They definitely knew. The licensed Taiwan and Hong Kong editions of releases. The overseas concerts. Hell, there were a number of Japanese acts at the first Coachella!

 

Arama does have other staff members, but they write less.

[Mami3chan]

You can defend your precious jpop idols without pretending that taking advantage of bigger markets = kissing western ass.

there's no difference other than the language i used which i admit was a bit unnecessarily shady lol,.

 

also the Japanese market is big already, Kpop acts dream to make it big in Japan or US because the Korean market is too small, Japan and US is where the money is as most Kpop stans often say,.

[hotsushi-kun]

Some people, like myself, don't care for current Western trends and are looking for an alternative. That is why some like Japanese music.

 

There are some Japanese acts with more Westernized songs, and often times these acts are criticized by a segment of fans in Japan and overseas, acts like Namie, the LDH acts, RIRI, etc.

 

Some Japanese acts don't want to make trendy Western sounding music because that is not who they are. One thing that I like about Japanese music is that it is more centered on an artist's creativity. A lot of acts are the sole writers / composers of their songs. They don't have a massive songwriting and production team creating their sound. It's them themselves doing it.

 

There is a ton of old JPop from the 80s and 90s on YouTube. And WTF are you talking about in regards to them not knowing it was popular overseas? They definitely knew. The licensed Taiwan and Hong Kong editions of releases. The overseas concerts. Hell, there were a number of Japanese acts at the first Coachella!

 

Arama does have other staff members, but they write less.

Well, that's fine to me. J-Pop may stuck in their current era and i do believe J-Pop don't want for them to be western-ish.

 

And how come there is a lot of J-Pop songs from 80s and 90s, i knoy they are region blocked due to their belief that they are not popular around the world, that's what the reason why older J-Pop songs can be very hard to find.

 

I do belive Arama are writing less than you, but i know TokyoHive won't keep its site longer and it would be really dead if they don't update the news daily all the time.

[DocumentaLy]

if thats what you want just stick to kpop honestly, your argument is what doesn't make sense to me, i prefer Jpop the way it is they don't have to kiss western ass in order to do better there's no need for them to have cringy English lyrics in their songs like Kpop lol, and there's non need for Jpop to be popular worldwide, they still target Japanese audience the most and thats fine since the japanese audience tend be very loyal and spend a lot of money on their faves,. and of course since its Jpop its only makes sense that they sound Japanese lol,.

 

again you better just stick to Kpop or any other pop that sounds too westernized if thats what you're looking for but for the majority of actual jpop fans like myself although i am just a casual fan i like Jpop the way it is and i don't want them to be like Kpop, i don't like Blackpink and BTS music although they're very popular but i don't care about their popularity cause their popularity doesn't change my taste in music,.

 

and they don't have to care about international fans if they don't want to, but i care about the japanese culture in general and i have no problem to visit Japan often and i don't care if my favorite jpop artist doesn't visit or care about my country, its not that hard. also we find content elsewhere youtube is not the only option, recently HKT released a bunch of singles and some of the MVs only have short ver on youtube but i found the full versions elsewhere.

 

For some reason, people think Korea and Japan are the same. Yes, they are next to each other, but their cultures in regards to music are vastly different. Koreans aren't that found of paying a good price for music, which is why downloads and streaming took off sooner there, because they are much cheaper. It was a way of making money after the music market collapsed at the turn of the millennium due to rampant piracy. It's also why there was a push to export music, because the Korean market is just too small to support the industry. The Korean market didn't start to rise until exports were pushed heavily.

 

The Japanese are much more willing to spend money on music. Look at the prices of CDs and downloads compared to Korea. Also look at how robust the Japanese concert market is. You can tour for months in Japan. In Korea, it's mostly one concert is Seoul, if a concert at all. There is no touring market in Korea.

[hotsushi-kun]

Even before Japan starting expanding J-pop to the international market, an J-pop wasn't well known to the world at the time when J-Pop was really huge in their own domestic way in pre/late-2000s, when J-pop record labels have decided to expand its music market to the intenational.

 

Japan still remains as the largest physical market, here is the data on what on how Japan rely on digital and physical sales as said by IFPI annual reports from 2017:

Physical: 72%

Digital: 21%

 

This is kind of an suprising that i haven't seen like this and that Japan is still the king of Physical musics.

[Mami3chan]

That's right J-Pop don't want to tour, but some J-pop international fans still yearn for J-pop artists to come into their country and do an tour.

 

I also know J-Pop artists mostly tour for anime convention, that's the only thing i know so far.

 

Also, i heard about J-Pop Summit held in US is being cancelled and i am not sure if they start it again this year.

 

jpop artists mainly do domestic tours, also international fans can go to Japan to attend those tours/concerts/other events, the international fans you're talking about i wonder if they can compete with J-fans? what are the chances to get a tour/concert sold out oversees vs domestic tours/concerts?! you have to realize that even in kpop international fans struggle to financially support their favorite artists as you can see they mainly support by streaming MVs on youtube and voting, with the exception of very popular groups like BTS and Blackpink,. and jpop in general might not be that attractive for young fans as i noticed the majority of Jpop international fans that i know tend to be adults,. 

[DocumentaLy]

That's fine, but one problem is that J-Pop don't tour internationally that much, compared to K-Pop, whom they tour more internationally than J-Pop are.

 

They don't have to because they can tour extensively in Japan. Korean acts can't tour Korea because there is only Seoul. If you really want to see a Japanese act, go to Japan. Seeing a Japanese act in your home country and in Japan are two totally different things. It's like a heightened experience in Japan. Part of this is because they don't have to water down the show.

 

 

Thanks for the introduction. Definitely an interesting artist & sounds.

She & many other Japan female musicians are what I am talking about. The experimental & unique sounds & take of the world from these female artists are refreshing & like a breathe of fresh air that quite possibly a lot of people around the world are interested to hear had they know more of them. Social media has been instrumental for these female acts to gain global visibility but I think the long-term sustainability & development of their career and arts would require more.

 

The female acts have been gaining traction internationally for years. Perfume, Kyary, BABYMETAL, CHAI, tricot...

 

Looking at the history of Japanese music in the West, it's not the big acts that have gained attention. It's the smaller, more niche acts. It's the acts like Yellow Magic Orchestra and Cornelius.

[hotsushi-kun]

jpop artists mainly do domestic tours, also international fans can go to Japan to attend those tours/concerts/other events, the international fans you're talking about i wonder if they can compete with J-fans? what are the chances to get a tour/concert sold out oversees vs domestic tours/concerts?! you have to realize that even in kpop international fans struggle to financially support their favorite artists as you can see they mainly support by streaming MVs on youtube and voting, with the exception of very popular groups like BTS and Blackpink,. and jpop in general might not be that attractive for young fans as i noticed the majority of Jpop fans that i know tend to be adults,. 

Well, yeah. I do believe about that only foreigners can attend the J-Pop convert in Japan. That's an nice thing though, but one person named mdo7 still yearn for J-Pop to be toured internationally though.

[Mami3chan]

They don't have to because they can tour extensively in Japan. Korean acts can't tour Korea because there is only Seoul. If you really want to see a Japanese act, go to Japan. Seeing a Japanese act in your home country and in Japan are two totally different things. It's like a heightened experience in Japan. Part of this is because they don't have to water down the show.

 

 

 

The female acts have been gaining traction internationally for years. Perfume, Kyary, BABYMETAL, CHAI, tricot...

 

Looking at the history of Japanese music in the West, it's not the big acts that have gained attention. It's the smaller, more niche acts. It's the acts like Yellow Magic Orchestra and Cornelius.

 

i would like to add "Scandal スキャンダル" to your list 

[hotsushi-kun]

They don't have to because they can tour extensively in Japan. Korean acts can't tour Korea because there is only Seoul. If you really want to see a Japanese act, go to Japan. Seeing a Japanese act in your home country and in Japan are two totally different things. It's like a heightened experience in Japan. Part of this is because they don't have to water down the show.

That's fine, i am sure Korea may be doing better at promoting tour, but also having tour along with having more MVs would have been great as well if only they had tour internationally, but little a bit.

 

I know J-Pop is suffering from view issues when they try to litsen to the J-Pop songs on MVs and they bother about on why they aren't going to my country for an tour, that's what they thought.

[DocumentaLy]

Well, that's fine to me. J-Pop may stuck in their current era and i do believe J-Pop don't want for them to be western-ish.

 

And how come there is a lot of J-Pop songs from 80s and 90s, i knoy they are region blocked due to their belief that they are not popular around the world, that's what the reason why older J-Pop songs can be very hard to find.

 

I do belive Arama are writing less than you, but i know TokyoHive won't keep its site longer and it would be really dead if they don't update the news daily all the time.

 

What 80s and 90s songs are blocked?

 

Is TokyoHive closing?

[Mami3chan]

Even before Japan starting expanding J-pop to the international market, an J-pop wasn't well known to the world at the time when J-Pop was really huge in their own domestic way in pre/late-2000s, when J-pop record labels have decided to expand its music market to the intenational.

 

Japan still remains as the largest physical market, here is the data on what on how Japan rely on digital and physical sales as said by IFPI annual reports from 2017:

Physical: 72%

Digital: 21%

 

This is kind of an suprising that i haven't seen like this and that Japan is still the king of Physical musics.

 

and to add on that "Izone" which is a Kpop/Jpop group although they were created on a Korean survival Program "Produce 48" their Japanese debut outsold their Korean debut and their recent Korean comeback also couldn't beat their Japanese debut physical sales,.

[DocumentaLy]

That's fine, i am sure Korea may be doing better at promoting tour, but also having tour along with having more MVs would have been great as well if only they had tour internationally, but little a bit.

 

I know J-Pop is suffering from view issues when they try to litsen to the J-Pop songs on MVs and they bother about on why they aren't going to my country for an tour, that's what they thought.

 

Japanese music isn't as dependent on YouTube views, but on actual sales, like pretty much every other industry in the world.

[DocumentaLy]

That's fine, i am sure Korea may be doing better at promoting tour, but also having tour along with having more MVs would have been great as well if only they had tour internationally, but little a bit.

 

I know J-Pop is suffering from view issues when they try to litsen to the J-Pop songs on MVs and they bother about on why they aren't going to my country for an tour, that's what they thought.

 

Japanese music isn't as dependent on YouTube views, but on actual sales, like pretty much every other industry in the world.

[â„“ucieâ„“â„“e]

there's no need for them to have cringy English lyrics in their songs like Kpop lol

 

First of all you don't have to degrade kpop in your arguments and second of all Jpop groups do have english lyrics in their songs, so that makes your argument invalid. For example King Prince's cinderella girl has some english lyrics doesn't it? and that's just one example of many.

 

again you better just stick to Kpop or any other pop that sounds too westernized

What exactly do you mean with westernized? If you are referring to genres aren't most singers westernized after all a lot of genres do come from the west

 

As for what I said on the previous thread regarding trends, I meant that in relation to western audiences and was adressing the styling as well as concept of Jpop groups.

In my opinion Jpop is behind trends in the eyes of western audiences as their stage costumes aren't widely popular styles and are more or less outdated fashion. And regarding concepts I mean the overall ikemen (for bgs) and bishoujo (ggs) theme SOME Jpop group seem to be going for. These themes won't resonate with the western market as it likes more mature stuff (not mature as in sexy)

 

Btw I can't directly quote coz OH is acting up so sorry if I am just indirectly addressing people here