sukui_ 23 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wonder Girls are legendary the first kpop group I heard of through viral ''tell me'' dance covers all over youtube and the first kpop group to get on billboard hot 100. Kara despite not being from big 3... sold over 4 million albums and are so impactful in japan 2NE1 are one of a kind compared to most girl groups with their firece,cool concepts but yg is meninst and they dont have much korean discog T-ara amazing creative group great collabs(davichi,supernova) debut album and repackage breaking heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Justin Seagull* 31,298 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wonder Girls literally had two national hits back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usagi. 13,668 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Would still be SNSD since they also had Genie and Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U R Messy AF 7,087 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wonder Girls literally had two national hits back to back. This. WG kind of already had that spot before SNSD, so if SNSD didn't release back to back national hits post 2009 and WG weren't shipped off to the US, WG might have held that spot. Edit: Of course they've had more national hits after Gee (I literally said this) but the combination of Gee being the phenomenon that it was, and WG - who were arguably their biggest competition - being shipped off to the US, allowed them to take the #1 spot as easily as they did. It's easy to say that they would still have been #1 because they are now, but let's be real; while they would still have been one of the top groups, there's no 100% guarantee that they would have been the undisputed #1 if WG, who also had multiple national hits, kept up their momentum and they didn't have Gee to propel them forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it up! 2,391 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 wonder girls with their national hits trifecta but gee or no gee their american advancement screw them over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HituKa 2,060 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 it's just sad how all of these legendary groups disbanded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sa1zo 3,534 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It would still be SNSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose. 4,207 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singnotes 1,628 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If WGs weren't shipped to America, they probably could have held on to their #1 spot. They had a string of national hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceprince 2,268 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Well Genie happened and then OH... so SNSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silicon 960 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 SNSD still had big hits after - genie, oh, hoot etc - so they still could've done it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisGeekHur 433 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 it would still be snsd. Gee didn't make them become the NGG. It helped them get to the road of becoming the national gg for sure but even without gee they would've got there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTICUS 2,252 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Would still be SNSD since they also had Genie and Oh Genie and Oh were no where near the same level as the phenomenon that was gee tho. I'd imagine SNSD would still be one of the top girl groups of the second gen but the impact that gee had set them apart from the plethora of girl group hits from 2009-2011. It was the combination of Gee, genie and Oh that cemented their ngg status, without gee they would still be a top group but they wouldn't dominate the girl group market like they did imo. I think that it would most likely still be the WG but because of the american advancement I'm not too sure if they would maintain their spot with how competitive the girl group market became. Maybe T-ara? But I think rather than 1 ngg dominating the market, it would probably end up like the 1st gen with multiple girl groups dominating at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderTwice 3,518 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Knetz only consider Gee as snsds only national hit not sure why others think genie and oh are even close to the same level as gee and to answer the op WGs was still a national gg despite their american advancement etc so WGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Desire 419 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 T-ara would have a bigger chance at becoming the nation's gg. They had hits after hits and Jiyeon was starting to get famous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashfox 3,149 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 they would still be ngg since the title was made for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shugwi 12,550 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 it would still be snsd. Gee didn't make them become the NGG. It helped them get to the road of becoming the national gg for sure but even without gee they would've got there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbiedoll 4,097 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Still snsd, the have Genie, oh! And hoot(alot critic this song but it actually do have impact especially their arrow dance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silicon 960 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Knetz only consider Gee as snsds only national hit not sure why others think genie and oh are even close to the same level as gee and to answer the op WGs was still a national gg despite their american advancement etc so WGs Lol only national hit, totally downplays what actually happened. The others were still huge: genie was massive on its own and everyone went crazy for their new sexy image (plus everyone was parodying inclduing lots of men lol), oh was a soty contender, hoot came out very late and as a surprise but still ranked high (I think it was like top 10 DLs) and so on. It shows how truly big Gee was if the rest of their hits - hits that other groups would kill for - look smaller in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collisionASD 132 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Probably still WG. The Tell Me - So Hot - Nobody Trinity was too big that it would take them going MIA and a huuuge hit like Gee (or IATB/Roly Poly but they were released in 2011 iirc and WG was already back by then) among other hits for them to be replaced. Much of the albums Kara sold are from their Japanese promos tho. They were still big in Korea but I don't think it would get to a point where they'd be considered as NGG. Since 2009 it's been SNSD vs 2NE1 but tbh, I don't think 2NE1's kind of music is something the public would see as their NGG, which is sad because they have some self-empowering songs and solid discography too. As for T-ara, I think they would have a chance for the title had they released more big hits and if the scandal didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usagi. 13,668 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Genie and Oh were no where near the same level as the phenomenon that was gee tho. I'd imagine SNSD would still be one of the top girl groups of the second gen but the impact that gee had set them apart from the plethora of girl group hits from 2009-2011. It was the combination of Gee, genie and Oh that cemented their ngg status, without gee they would still be a top group but they wouldn't dominate the girl group market like they did imo. SNSD was already building a nice fanbase around Kissing You, for sure Gee was a phenomenon and Genie and Oh weren't as big as Gee, I don't think any gg song is, not from SNSD or from other groups. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that without Gee, Genie would be really big and trendy as it was, and OH also would be. Now, if they would still be leading the kpop scene for girlgroups without Gee, that no one knows, but with specially Genie, imo, they would. Knetz only consider Gee as snsds only national hit not sure why others think genie and oh are even close to the same level as gee and to answer the op WGs was still a national gg despite their american advancement etc so WGs I know you have some personal issues with SNSD but no one said that. Nothing can really compare to what Gee was, but Genie and Oh were also big hits. Also about the second sentence, I tought that only one National GG could exist, at least in one generation. And that title belonged to SNSD for years, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCarpet 1,143 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Tara or Kara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umiii 32 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Since the scenario is just a world without Gee, then I think it's still SNSD. They released Genie the same year iirc and I think it would still be big even without Gee's aftereffects(that's my second fave song of theirs, 1 being Lion Heart) and maybe Genie would be the "new Gee". WG came back too late in the market, 2010 with 2DT and even tho it was 6 in 2010 GAON Chart, it didn't give them the push they needed to have a bigger fandom; The market was already overly saturated at that time. Kara focused too much in Japan so they're kinda like Shinee, famous and respected but not top1. T-ara scandal would still happen. 2NE1 would still be the badass group they are but they won't be NGG with their genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteNelson 907 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 T-ARA, almost without a doubt. If it hadn't been for that fake scandal, they were on the way to matching or even surpassing SNSD. The fact is, of the top ten best selling singles by Korean girl groups, T-ARA has three - Roly Poly (the best selling girl group single ever in Korea), Lovey Dovey, and Cry Cry. SNSD has one - and it isn't Gee. 2NE1 has two, and Wonder Girls has one. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_girl_groups#South_Korea Even today, T-ARA still has the largest fan cafe of any k-pop girl group in China, and they are still huge in SE Asia, especially Vietnam. T-ARA gets shaded all the time on OH, and they don't get the recognition they deserve in Korea still, but the facts are the facts. They are the only group ever to win Billboard Fan-Army Face-off more than once. Their power internationally can't be disregarded. Even with that fake scandal, they are in the top 5 k-pop girl groups ever in sales - in Korea. If SNSD didn't have the head start they had by debuting 2 years before T-ARA, things might have turned out very differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORM BLOOM 1,739 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Still for the one and only Greatest Girl Group in the History cause even if they didn't have gee, they have this alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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