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Nana's dad who works for the KMT party made comments that mainlanders have interpreted to support Taiwan independence. Old instances of her family members referencing "country" when talking about Taiwan were dug up. Issue became large enough her studio posted an official statement and Nana posted on weibo too.

 

"As a student studying abroad overseas, I'm often asked Where do you come from? I come from China, this is my answer. Ever since I was little I was close with my grandpas and grandmas, I grew up listening to the Sichuan dialect, they said no matter where people go you must remember your own roots. I'm proud to be Chinese, I always remember my ancestral home is Jian, Jiangxi, always remember feeling moved the time I saw my own name on the old family tree."

 

[+87,629] So can you post similar content on your IG and FB

 

[+33,313] I really like Nana, really pretty really talented, but in the face of the country there are no idols, really can't stand those for Taiwan independence, last year China's 9-dash line you also didn't repost, anyone can say nice sounding words, not against you, but it's because I am a Chinese person.

 

[+21,593] How about changing your description to China Taiwan female celebrity?

 

[+17,127] Post it on IG too, since everyone on weibo is from mainland anyways, you posting on here can only be seen by us!!

 

[+13,992] Then how about your family? I don't wish for the idol I love to come form a family that taught Taiwan independence

 

[+13,971] How to say it.... it's still better to show some action, posting on weibo saying you love China and support one country two systems, a lot of Taiwanese celebrities have done it

 

 

 

I feel bad for Nana, she didn't even do anything. Far from the first time this has been an isuse for Taiwanese celebrities though. Her post hasn't helped much, and now she's getting hate from the Taiwan side. 

Apparently her dad has made his own statement that he's not for independence. It wouldn't even make sense, he's part of the KMT which is the party that's more pro-China

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The comments on all her early vlogs used to all be about her accent, that she doesn't sound Taiwanese but more and more mainlander. She never addressed it but noticeably some of her later videos she has more of a Taiwanese accent. There's always been that line to tread and it's crazy how heated both sides can be.

 

She's changed her weibo description and posted on IG too now. It won't happen, but part of me wants to see her just say screw it and stop working in China. Tbh her acting career wasn't about to go anywhere. She can just keep making vlogs and focus on cello and everywhere except China can still support her.

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The comments on all her early vlogs used to all be about her accent, that she doesn't sound Taiwanese but more and more mainlander. She never addressed it but noticeably some of her later videos she has more of a Taiwanese accent. There's always been that line to tread and it's crazy how heated both sides can be.

She's changed her weibo description and posted on IG too now. It won't happen, but part of me wants to see her just say screw it and stop working in China. Tbh her acting career wasn't about to go anywhere. She can just keep making vlogs and focus on cello and everywhere except China can still support her.

I disagree with your last statement. Untalented people make it far in the entertainment world all the time. She is young AND pretty. She will earn a lot more in China compared to Taiwan. Even if her acting career doesn’t pan out, there is always endorsement deals and the fashion world. There’s a reason why HK/Taiwanese actors (Angelababy, Wallace Huo, TVB actors, Joe Chen etc) goes to China even though they are already famous in their own countries.

 

It’s unfortunate that she is essentially being forced to denounce her own country but she made the right choice for the sake of her career.

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I disagree with your last statement. Untalented people make it far in the entertainment world all the time. She is young AND pretty. She will earn a lot more in China compared to Taiwan. Even if her acting career doesn’t pan out, there is always endorsement deals and the fashion world. There’s a reason why HK/Taiwanese actors (Angelababy, Wallace Huo, TVB actors, Joe Chen etc) goes to China even though they are already famous in their own countries.

It’s unfortunate that she is essentially being forced to denounce her own country but she made the right choice for the sake of her career.

Oh no, staying in China will absolutely be the best for her career. She can make tons of money with endorsements, photoshoots, variety show appearances, talk shows/interviews, even continue getting lots of acting gigs despite all the crap she gets for her acting skills. Thats why I said it won't happen. Just my own thought that it'd be refreshing to see her just leave on her own. She's from a decently well off family and only started her career in the industry several years ago basically out of interest and curiosity plus the opportunity coming up. She won't make as much outside of mainland, but she doesn't need to be in the entertainment industry in mainland to maintain a career.
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they should just refrain from making any comments in the first place

it's a lose lose situation no matter what

I agree but sometimes even when people stay silent or neutral they get called out until they make their allegiance clear.

 

The comments on all her early vlogs used to all be about her accent, that she doesn't sound Taiwanese but more and more mainlander. She never addressed it but noticeably some of her later videos she has more of a Taiwanese accent. There's always been that line to tread and it's crazy how heated both sides can be.

 

She's changed her weibo description and posted on IG too now. It won't happen, but part of me wants to see her just say screw it and stop working in China. Tbh her acting career wasn't about to go anywhere. She can just keep making vlogs and focus on cello and everywhere except China can still support her.

Have any TW stars actually done that? I know few HK stars have actually stuck to their opinions politically despite it hurting their mainland careers.

 

The accent thing is crazy, I mean that shouldn't really matter at all and doesn't even make sense in terms of the political argument.

 

I can see where you're coming from about her saying screw it but it's already a massively high pressure situation for someone to be in, let alone someone relatively young with a whole career ahead of her. All the people around her will just be asking her to do whatever it takes to get the situation diffused as quickly as possible.

 

Then it's not just about sacrificing potential earnings, it's also about facing hostility in the backlash afterwards. All the hate and negativity is pretty scary when you think about it.

 

It would be easier if there was a thriving market in TW to focus on, but even being an actress there would be difficult when you are blacklisted in China, since all those TW dramas and movies want distribution in China for financial reasons too.

 

The easiest thing to do is to just try qnd stay out of politics totally, but like I said earlier, even then you can get dragged into it and get stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

The thing I dislike is that it's all lip service. I mean if you have to hound someone and pressure them to say certain things, it's obvious they don't really mean it. It's all part of the show and everyone knows that.

 

So in the end, it's not about the words. It's about conforming to the "right" opinion publicly, it's about power and control. But it's all part of the game and everyone's got to play if you want to stay on the board.

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Nope, not aware of any TW celebrities who've done it. Some have shown vocal support or action for DPP, or Taiwan's identity/indep, or HK's movement, but I think they try and do it quietly and throw in things to pacify mainlanders, not that it really works. Apparently a band member of Mayday has done some pretty unambiguous things though, and they still sell out concerts in China. Of course if the government decides so, they can and have banned and black listed those they think have crossed a line. While looking things up just now I found out apparently a Taiwanese director named Fu Yuen won an award at the Golden Horse Awards and straight up wished independence. I doubt her career is doing so well now..

 

As far as the accent, it's not directly tied in to politics, but since the political issue revolves around identity, it's not a far stretch for it to become a sensitive point of discussion. No one was calling for a witch hunt, just sooooo many comments about her accent, why she sounds like a mainlander now, what happened to her Taiwanese accent, etc etc.

 

Agree, not just the money aspect, it's just generally not smart to piss off China. Also a valid point about the film scene in Taiwan these days. Though to my earlier point, she doesn't need to pursue an acting career. She originally came into public view in the beginning because she's from a celebrity family, so she's been getting interspersed media attention since she was a little girl before even officially entering the industry via acting. And her true forte and passion is in cello and music. Her original career path was to play cello professionally, which she is still on the path of doing. While her venture into acting is what really threw her into the spotlight and gained her notoriety, the reason she's popular and liked is not related to her acting at all. I've actually seen so many comments like, I love you Nana but only if you don't act.

 

Keeping quiet would be the best strategy, but I think you're right in this case. I saw the issue first surface on forums a couple days prior. And the issue must have gotten louder, seems on her more recent weibo post, lots of top comments were talking about it. So in some cases, trying to stay silent until it blows over will actually backfire and the silence will just make those people more angry. 

 

Funny your comments on the lip service. Exactly my reaction to seeing the top comments being about posting to fb and ig. How is it in their minds that giving her pressure to do these actions somehow gives them enough assurance of where she stands on the issue. Taiwan people know of the pressures their celebrities face trying to work in mainland, I think most are understanding. For those who do get upset, it's about selling out to make that cash money in mainland.

 

Sometimes I'm still incredulous to how brainwashed China's government has every one of their citizens. For them to be so up in arms ready to burn down their careers, turn against them in an instance, it absolutely goes to show it's more than individually formed opinion of their free will but large scale systematic propaganda that instilled this mindset into them. Like the witch hunt over people not making the 中國一點都ä¸èƒ½å°‘ post on weibo.

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Nope, not aware of any TW celebrities who've done it. Some have shown vocal support or action for DPP, or Taiwan's identity/indep, or HK's movement, but I think they try and do it quietly and throw in things to pacify mainlanders, not that it really works. Apparently a band member of Mayday has done some pretty unambiguous things though, and they still sell out concerts in China. Of course if the government decides so, they can and have banned and black listed those they think have crossed a line. While looking things up just now I found out apparently a Taiwanese director named Fu Yuen won an award at the Golden Horse Awards and straight up wished independence. I doubt her career is doing so well now..

 

As far as the accent, it's not directly tied in to politics, but since the political issue revolves around identity, it's not a far stretch for it to become a sensitive point of discussion. No one was calling for a witch hunt, just sooooo many comments about her accent, why she sounds like a mainlander now, what happened to her Taiwanese accent, etc etc.

 

Agree, not just the money aspect, it's just generally not smart to piss off China. Also a valid point about the film scene in Taiwan these days. Though to my earlier point, she doesn't need to pursue an acting career. She originally came into public view in the beginning because she's from a celebrity family, so she's been getting interspersed media attention since she was a little girl before even officially entering the industry via acting. And her true forte and passion is in cello and music. Her original career path was to play cello professionally, which she is still on the path of doing. While her venture into acting is what really threw her into the spotlight and gained her notoriety, the reason she's popular and liked is not related to her acting at all. I've actually seen so many comments like, I love you Nana but only if you don't act.

 

Keeping quiet would be the best strategy, but I think you're right in this case. I saw the issue first surface on forums a couple days prior. And the issue must have gotten louder, seems on her more recent weibo post, lots of top comments were talking about it. So in some cases, trying to stay silent until it blows over will actually backfire and the silence will just make those people more angry. 

 

Funny your comments on the lip service. Exactly my reaction to seeing the top comments being about posting to fb and ig. How is it in their minds that giving her pressure to do these actions somehow gives them enough assurance of where she stands on the issue. Taiwan people know of the pressures their celebrities face trying to work in mainland, I think most are understanding. For those who do get upset, it's about selling out to make that cash money in mainland.

 

Sometimes I'm still incredulous to how brainwashed China's government has every one of their citizens. For them to be so up in arms ready to burn down their careers, turn against them in an instance, it absolutely goes to show it's more than individually formed opinion of their free will but large scale systematic propaganda that instilled this mindset into them. Like the witch hunt over people not making the 國一點都ä¸èƒ½å°‘ post on weibo.

 

Its only natural for a citizen of a country to not want lose territories.

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Its only natural for a citizen of a country to not want lose territories.

With a degree of hatred to the point that they are witch hunting careers if people don't show support on social media with a copy paste post like 中國一點都ä¸èƒ½å°‘? That's not natural. 

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With a degree of hatred to the point that they are witch hunting careers if people don't show support on social media with a copy paste post like 中國一點都ä¸èƒ½å°‘? That's not natural. 

 

Why not? They don't want celebrities they follow to pick the wrong side. 

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With a degree of hatred to the point that they are witch hunting careers if people don't show support on social media with a copy paste post like 中國一點都ä¸èƒ½å°‘? That's not natural. 

How is it unnatural? Do you not see the taiwanese comments on Nana's fb page? Aren't they witch-hunting her just the same?

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Its only natural for a citizen of a country to not want lose territories.

Why do you think that it's natural? Surely it's more about societal aspects and a high level of patriotism than anything natural, as I don't believe you'd have this level of widespread hate in similar situations elsewhere.

 

Also, another reason I think it's not natural is this is really concentrated on a certain group of social media users online. The average person on the street does not really hound stars like this or have the passion to do so.

 

Why not? They don't want celebrities they follow to pick the wrong side.

Well that is the problem, having right and wrong sides instead of respecting people's differences of opinion.

 

I also don't think a lot of the comments are from fans who follow the celebrities involved in these situations. They are not the same people who comment on other posts on unrelated topics.

 

How is it unnatural? Do you not see the taiwanese comments on Nana's fb page? Aren't they witch-hunting her just the same?

I agree, both sides should leave her alone.
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Why do you think that it's natural? Surely it's more about societal aspects and a high level of patriotism than anything natural, as I don't believe you'd have this level of widespread hate in similar situations elsewhere.

 

Also, another reason I think it's not natural is this is really concentrated on a certain group of social media users online. The average person on the street does not really hound stars like this or have the passion to do so.

 

Well that is the problem, having right and wrong sides instead of respecting people's differences of opinion.

 

I also don't think a lot of the comments are from fans who follow the celebrities involved in these situations. They are not the same people who comment on other posts on unrelated topics.

 

I agree, both sides should leave her alone.

 

Its just pure economy at work here.

 

She have to choose between not pissing off PRC market vs pissing off 20% of Taiwanese population.

 

Its the simplest choice to make, don't even have to think about it. 

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Its just pure economy at work here.

 

She have to choose between not pissing off PRC market vs pissing off 20% of Taiwanese population.

 

Its the simplest choice to make, don't even have to think about it.

I don't think that was ever in dispute, she won't be the first or last to do so. The question for me is whether a young girl (or anyone for that matter) should be pressured into making such a choice.

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Why not? They don't want celebrities they follow to pick the wrong side. 

How is it unnatural? Do you not see the taiwanese comments on Nana's fb page? Aren't they witch-hunting her just the same?

The point is all mainlanders share the same opinion and dissidence causes hate from fellow citizens. Versus a spectrum of opinion in Taiwan and not a majority shared gut reaction of hatred towards those of differing opinion. Voicing opposition opinion against the government in China  is met with boycott or ban from the government, and for non-celebs perhaps even mysterious disappearance, jail-time. Is this not an unnatural force from the government telling its people how to think? 

 

As lightning said, high levels of hatred to the issue of losing territory is more likely due to societal aspects and a high level of patriotism, not opinion that would naturally form in 100% of the population. Who grows the high levels of patriotism among its citizens but the government themselves. Of course propaganda is a tool used by all countries. But the freedom to voice opposition and trash the government allowed in other places is not in China. 

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Nope, not aware of any TW celebrities who've done it. Some have shown vocal support or action for DPP, or Taiwan's identity/indep, or HK's movement, but I think they try and do it quietly and throw in things to pacify mainlanders, not that it really works. Apparently a band member of Mayday has done some pretty unambiguous things though, and they still sell out concerts in China. Of course if the government decides so, they can and have banned and black listed those they think have crossed a line. While looking things up just now I found out apparently a Taiwanese director named Fu Yuen won an award at the Golden Horse Awards and straight up wished independence. I doubt her career is doing so well now..

 

As far as the accent, it's not directly tied in to politics, but since the political issue revolves around identity, it's not a far stretch for it to become a sensitive point of discussion. No one was calling for a witch hunt, just sooooo many comments about her accent, why she sounds like a mainlander now, what happened to her Taiwanese accent, etc etc.

 

Agree, not just the money aspect, it's just generally not smart to piss off China. Also a valid point about the film scene in Taiwan these days. Though to my earlier point, she doesn't need to pursue an acting career. She originally came into public view in the beginning because she's from a celebrity family, so she's been getting interspersed media attention since she was a little girl before even officially entering the industry via acting. And her true forte and passion is in cello and music. Her original career path was to play cello professionally, which she is still on the path of doing. While her venture into acting is what really threw her into the spotlight and gained her notoriety, the reason she's popular and liked is not related to her acting at all. I've actually seen so many comments like, I love you Nana but only if you don't act.

 

Keeping quiet would be the best strategy, but I think you're right in this case. I saw the issue first surface on forums a couple days prior. And the issue must have gotten louder, seems on her more recent weibo post, lots of top comments were talking about it. So in some cases, trying to stay silent until it blows over will actually backfire and the silence will just make those people more angry. 

 

Funny your comments on the lip service. Exactly my reaction to seeing the top comments being about posting to fb and ig. How is it in their minds that giving her pressure to do these actions somehow gives them enough assurance of where she stands on the issue. Taiwan people know of the pressures their celebrities face trying to work in mainland, I think most are understanding. For those who do get upset, it's about selling out to make that cash money in mainland.

 

Sometimes I'm still incredulous to how brainwashed China's government has every one of their citizens. For them to be so up in arms ready to burn down their careers, turn against them in an instance, it absolutely goes to show it's more than individually formed opinion of their free will but large scale systematic propaganda that instilled this mindset into them. Like the witch hunt over people not making the 中國一點都ä¸èƒ½å°‘ post on weibo.

 

I feel like nana should stay true to herself and stick with her honest opinion, whatever it is.

 

like you said, she comes from a wealthy family, she has talent in cello that she can make a job out of, and shes beautiful and can easily find a wonderful husband.

 

no matter what, she'll be okay..

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The point is all mainlanders share the same opinion and dissidence causes hate from fellow citizens. Versus a spectrum of opinion in Taiwan and not a majority shared gut reaction of hatred towards those of differing opinion. Voicing opposition opinion against the government in China is met with boycott or ban from the government, and for non-celebs perhaps even mysterious disappearance, jail-time. Is this not an unnatural force from the government telling its people how to think?

 

As lightning said, high levels of hatred to the issue of losing territory is more likely due to societal aspects and a high level of patriotism, not opinion that would naturally form in 100% of the population. Who grows the high levels of patriotism among its citizens but the government themselves. Of course propaganda is a tool used by all countries. But the freedom to voice opposition and trash the government allowed in other places is not in China.

One thing I disagree with you on is that it's not 100%. There are differing opinions in China and a range of opinions, but it's difficult to find that online because no one wants to deal with the backlash or the hassle. People learn to be quiet or low key about what they really think because it makes their life easier.

 

Remember, a lot of this is discussion still based around a lot of online comments and hardcore commentators that don't all speak for every Chinese person.

 

It's the same with social media in the West, a lot of noise gets made by different sides and people in the middle or that are less passionate aren't heard, either because they don't want to really get involved or their voice gets drowned out.

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One thing I disagree with you on is that it's not 100%. There are differing opinions in China and a range of opinions, but it's difficult to find that online because no one wants to deal with the backlash or the hassle. People learn to be quiet or low key about what they really think because it makes their life easier.

Remember, a lot of this is discussion still based around a lot of online comments and hardcore commentators that don't all speak for every Chinese person.

It's the same with social media in the West, a lot of noise gets made by different sides and people in the middle or that are less passionate aren't heard, either because they don't want to really get involved or their voice gets drowned out.

It's true, the people making the most noise are the most passionate and extreme. The 100% is an exaggeration, my emphasis was just a huge majority.
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I don't think that was ever in dispute, she won't be the first or last to do so. The question for me is whether a young girl (or anyone for that matter) should be pressured into making such a choice.

 

Well she just said that she wasn't pressured at all and that she truly feel that everybody all the way from HK, Taiwan, and Beijing.

 

Honestly OYNN got a lot more hate before from Cnetz, her episode on Ace vs Ace that got her A LOT more hate for her acting than this incident. 

 

This is just the Democratic Progressive Party of RoC trying to paint OYNN as a victim.

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Well she just said that she wasn't pressured at all and that she truly feel that everybody all the way from HK, Taiwan, and Beijing.

 

Honestly OYNN got a lot more hate before from Cnetz, her episode on Ace vs Ace that got her A LOT more hate for her acting than this incident.

 

This is just the Democratic Progressive Party of RoC trying to paint OYNN as a victim.

I don't know if you are being serious or not but whatever she says has to be taken in the context of her being under duress and pressure.

 

And this is a different kind of hate compared to acting criticism. We both know that so I don't know why you even try to compare it.

 

No one painted her as a victim, people just talk about what they can see happening. Being attacked online and criticised until you apologise and do what people ask is pretty clear and has happened many times before. We all know how it works. ;)

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I don't know if you are being serious or not but whatever she says has to be taken in the context of her being under duress and pressure.

 

And this is a different kind of hate compared to acting criticism. We both know that so I don't know why you even try to compare it.

 

No one painted her as a victim, people just talk about what they can see happening. Being attacked online and criticised until you apologise and do what people ask is pretty clear and has happened many times before. We all know how it works. ;)

 

So what you would rather her be a non Chinese?

 

Ouyang Nana handled this much smoother than Tzuyu who made the situation worse by looking like a hostage situation.

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So what you would rather her be a non Chinese?

 

Ouyang Nana handled this much smoother than Tzuyu who made the situation worse by looking like a hostage situation.

 

To be fair though, Tzuyu would have been under the direction / guidance of her management company / agency....I don't think it was her idea to make the apology video seem like a hostage video. 

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