ethereal 20,923 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 as we all know, scoping out competition is a huge in most industries, including kpop where trends run wild and long courses before ever even begining to fizzle out. yg's treasure box has been going on for a while now, the exact rules and stakes seemingly unclear until the lineup began to be revealed, and i couldn't help but think that bh in general and txt's recent start up seemingly influenced some of yg's more impulsive decisions regarding the show? i mean, similarities include: younger age range for the group (yg even throwing in two of the youngest members that don't seem to be as widely liked and popular as some of their passed over, older, trainee counterparts) the daily member reveal (which seemed oddly sporadic and random on yg's part bc it started out like the usual produce 101 live line up reveal just to be switched abruptly to a different format when txt had just started teasing) deliberate shift away from the heavy "hip pop" concept that both companies started from (and that yg never seemed to rlly want to stray from before bc even winners rappers were always at the front of the group) is this yg wanting to directly pit his newbg against txt? does he want this direct competition? does bh? debut dates aren't confirmed afaik, but these two groups will likely come around the same time unless yg delays like he has before so. may the best man win. discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acer 396 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I assure you the moment TXT news dropped YG turned 180 so yes :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:Hikari 276 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I assure you the moment TXT news dropped YG turned 180 so yes :3 agree.. this is just my opinion since i've watched ygtb since ep 1.. he seems to be switching his choices around and repeatedly second guessing himself.. but after TXT members started trending and they are all visuals he seems to have cemented his decision on visuals>talent. a first for yg. i hope both groups will have a successful debut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neito 752 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 No, YGTB group is basically what all the BGs are like nowadays so it's a reach to claim he's solely copying TXT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junmyeonsnoodle 1,074 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don't think the age thing has anything to with bts, I'm pretty sure it has to do with the government changing their status on the age for military enlistment. Also, Treasure Box started airing before the whole txt thing even dropped and YG already was favoring the younger members (from the beginning he really liked Junghwan, Jeongwoo, and Haruto [Haruto is very popular tho]- the show was never 'the public picks the members who will debut' from the start it was always going to be YG having the final say. It's pretty obvious he didn't want a repeat of what happened with WIN (where it was totally obvious that the company [and YG] favored team B [this team + Chanwoo went on to become iKON], but team A [this is WINNER] was more popular the the general public so they won). YG wants the group he wants to debut and he doesn't really care about the gp's opinion (as long as there are a couple of popular members he's good-and there are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diviner 99 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 · Hidden by peach, January 23, 2019 - No reason given Hidden by peach, January 23, 2019 - No reason given The member reveal he did with Blackpink you idiot. Also, Winner has been releasing non-hiphop singles for years now; even the leader isn't a rapper. What a bunch of BS. Link to comment
田馥甄 3,796 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 aside from early days big bang and certain ikon releases, yg groups have hardly been "hip hop". they're as dance pop as the rest of the industry. idol groups have always debuted young. with the new enlistment law coming into effect, male idols have a shorter window of promotion compared to previous generations. it makes sense that newer groups are slightly younger compared to previous gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethereal 20,923 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 No, YGTB group is basically what all the BGs are like nowadays so it's a reach to claim he's solely copying TXT not trying to say he's "copying". being influenced by something isn't copying. and i mean, all bgs aren't the same but yeah i guess this is kinda the bg standard for most newer groups releasing so far this year. The member reveal he did with Blackpink you idiot. Also, Winner has been releasing non-hiphop singles for years now; even the leader isn't a rapper. What a bunch of BS. how is it the same tho. bp didn't start on a survival show anyway aside from early days big bang and certain ikon releases, yg groups have hardly been "hip hop". they're as dance pop as the rest of the industry. idol groups have always debuted young. with the new enlistment law coming into effect, male idols have a shorter window of promotion compared to previous generations. it makes sense that newer groups are slightly younger compared to previous gen. you may not have noticed, but thats why i call it "hip POP" not hip hop. they mix pop elements with heavier rap elements than most other kpop groups. and yg has always had the image of a hip hop styled company even with winner and bp being slightly different or big bang doing their own thing. they always go back to their rappers having the most promoted solos ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usagi. 13,668 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The member reveal he did with Blackpink you idiot. Also, Winner has been releasing non-hiphop singles for years now; even the leader isn't a rapper. What a bunch of BS. OP is asking for a discussion, why are you being edgy? Go breathe a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shugwi 12,550 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 No, YGTB group is basically what all the BGs are like nowadays so it's a reach to claim he's solely copying TXT I don't think the age thing has anything to with bts, I'm pretty sure it has to do with the government changing their status on the age for military enlistment. Also, Treasure Box started airing before the whole txt thing even dropped and YG already was favoring the younger members (from the beginning he really liked Junghwan, Jeongwoo, and Haruto [Haruto is very popular tho]- the show was never 'the public picks the members who will debut' from the start it was always going to be YG having the final say. It's pretty obvious he didn't want a repeat of what happened with WIN (where it was totally obvious that the company [and YG] favored team B [this team + Chanwoo went on to become iKON], but team A [this is WINNER] was more popular the the general public so they won). YG wants the group he wants to debut and he doesn't really care about the gp's opinion (as long as there are a couple of popular members he's good-and there are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iori 4,151 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Why do you guys keep mentioning ygtb or yg just to shit on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline^^ 2,134 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 YG probably chose the lineup before the show aired. These shows are not for choosing members, but attracting fans. However, what influence YG is promotional tactic. Not only YG, but other companies about how do Bighit and BTS have such a fandom so big it literally changed the industry. Biggest idols need fandom, digital, physical sales, both domestic and international fans... YG neglected fandoms in the past. But there are groups that's fandom oriented and lack others. Companies need to balance this. When the new generation comes, people will realize the big influence of Bighit in promoting BTS and how it changed the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethereal 20,923 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Why do you guys keep mentioning ygtb or yg just to shit on them? where did i shit on them this thread is mostly about yg's decisions, not about the group. and yg himself deserves to be shit on 99% of the time so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junsa 439 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 YG had this almost this identical lineup since episode 3, before txt reveal. Adding Jaehyuk is because he listened to kfans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junsa 439 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 If you watched the show, in the beginning of 1st episode, YG said he wants a visual and talented group, like Blackpink. That's why he chose this lineup. Stop dragging ybnbg with false statements please, leave them out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singnotes 1,628 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Okay, someone clearly hasn't watched the show. Treasure Box started airing before TxT was even confirmed. He has liked the younger members from the beginning. Junghwan was actually chosen to be part of the original treasure 7. The daily member reveal is just them dragging out the drama. Their song Going Crazy which you'd assume will be the vibe they are going for with the new group was revealed like a bunch of episodes ago. None of these decisions were influenced by TxT, and anyone would know that if they had watched the show. Now can we please stop getting threads of dragging YGTB boys into conversations linked to TxT now? We just all want to be left alone, tbh. I don't think the age thing has anything to with bts, I'm pretty sure it has to do with the government changing their status on the age for military enlistment. Also, Treasure Box started airing before the whole txt thing even dropped and YG already was favoring the younger members (from the beginning he really liked Junghwan, Jeongwoo, and Haruto [Haruto is very popular tho]- the show was never 'the public picks the members who will debut' from the start it was always going to be YG having the final say. It's pretty obvious he didn't want a repeat of what happened with WIN (where it was totally obvious that the company [and YG] favored team B [this team + Chanwoo went on to become iKON], but team A [this is WINNER] was more popular the the general public so they won). YG wants the group he wants to debut and he doesn't really care about the gp's opinion (as long as there are a couple of popular members he's good-and there are). ^^ this answer + a whole lot more that I'm too tired to type out right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGstan 3,051 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Short answer. No. Competition never dictated what YG does. There's a long history of that. YG said from the beginning of the show, they started filming in October/November, they were doing something different, most people took that as young, fresh and pop and he said he would take visuals into account this time. He said this before any one of these current lineups were announced from other companies. I mean YG did a "Flower Film" first and from what I understand this other company's group did something similar afterwards. Not saying they copied YG, but YG did it first. If anything YG is modeling this after BLACKPINK, not any other boy group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shugwi 12,550 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 seriously YG always hinted he wanted a visual group he even mentioned blackpink as an example The boys literally had a photoshoot holding a flower how literal can you get with YG wanting a flower boy group? and this was before TXT members were revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissxkiss_baby 5,756 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 LMAO THE FUCKING ARROGANCE, I'm done with TXT fans already they're not even a two weeks old yet every move that YG makes in regards to his new boy group is a direct result of something TXT related? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsa 1,742 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 LMAO THE FUCKING ARROGANCE, I'm done with TXT fans already they're not even a two weeks old yet every move that YG makes in regards to his new boy group is a direct result of something TXT related? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK I dont think op is a txt fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceyla 1,168 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 LMAO THE FUCKING ARROGANCE, I'm done with TXT fans already they're not even a two weeks old yet every move that YG makes in regards to his new boy group is a direct result of something TXT related? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK Who’s the txt fans here? Op, r u a txt fan? Also, there can never be a civil discussion here on OH. People gets triggered way way too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momomin 1,476 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Short answer. No. Competition never dictated what YG does. There's a long history of that. YG said from the beginning of the show, they started filming in October/November, they were doing something different, most people took that as young, fresh and pop and he said he would take visuals into account this time. He said this before any one of these current lineups were announced from other companies. I mean YG did a "Flower Film" first and from what I understand this other company's group did something similar afterwards. Not saying they copied YG, but YG did it first. If anything YG is modeling this after BLACKPINK, not any other boy group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomie 1,076 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I would like to join but i only know one side of the topic... Edit fixing grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGstan 3,051 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Short answer. No. Competition never dictated what YG does. There's a long history of that. YG said from the beginning of the show, they started filming in October/November, they were doing something different, most people took that as young, fresh and pop and he said he would take visuals into account this time. He said this before any one of these current lineups were announced from other companies. I mean YG did a "Flower Film" first and from what I understand this other company's group did something similar afterwards. Not saying they copied YG, but YG did it first. If anything YG is modeling this after BLACKPINK, not any other boy group. I mean yeah. Anyone that's followed Kpop longer than a week knows YG artists have set trends in the industry. There's really not a boy group that's debuted in the last 5 or 6 years that haven't bitten off BIGBANG. Some even started their careers doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRISHA - A Yoonbin Stan 16,868 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 as we all know, scoping out competition is a huge in most industries, including kpop where trends run wild and long courses before ever even begining to fizzle out. yg's treasure box has been going on for a while now, the exact rules and stakes seemingly unclear until the lineup began to be revealed, and i couldn't help but think that bh in general and txt's recent start up seemingly influenced some of yg's more impulsive decisions regarding the show? i mean, similarities include: younger age range for the group (yg even throwing in two of the youngest members that don't seem to be as widely liked and popular as some of their passed over, older, trainee counterparts) the daily member reveal (which seemed oddly sporadic and random on yg's part bc it started out like the usual produce 101 live line up reveal just to be switched abruptly to a different format when txt had just started teasing) deliberate shift away from the heavy "hip pop" concept that both companies started from (and that yg never seemed to rlly want to stray from before bc even winners rappers were always at the front of the group) is this yg wanting to directly pit his newbg against txt? does he want this direct competition? does bh? debut dates aren't confirmed afaik, but these two groups will likely come around the same time unless yg delays like he has before so. may the best man win. discuss. I mean.. this is from 2014 so... YG has done the member reveal 5 years ago and... lmao ya'll are on crack to think young members was because of txt when YG mentioned he wants to debut a young Kpop group next in early 2018 on Kpopstar. and third point... shows how ignorant you are as if iKON are a hip hop group. Even iKON themselves say they're always misunderstood as being a hip hop group. like.. educate yourself before acting delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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