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[Ash-Pikachu]

[enter-talk] WILL PRODUCE CHEW ON THE IDOL INDUSTRY?ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹

Posted on January 15, 2019

 

I read the article talking about the rookie groups of 2019

It will seriously so hard for the rookies of 2016,17 and 18 to even make it big.

No but it was seriously it's going to be the dark age...

Mnet pushed them for a few months and gathered the fandom, this is a game is already over. The group is disbanding so they'll all be sharing the pie together.

And the entry for rookies will be even more narrow...

 

 

 

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ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 10:43 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° Isn't what OP is saying the truth? You can't compete with kids who have the benefits from Mnet, I feel bad for the groups who debuted with them

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  ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 11:34 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° So you're saying that Wanna One received the benefits from broadcast companies and hit big? So they didn't work hard at all is what you're saying? As a Wannable I'm pissed off

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  ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 10:58 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° Regardless of the post, I think that it's about time that those groups hit big.... MonstaX, SF9, Seventeen, GOT7, Astro 

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  ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 12:34 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° Don't even think of dragging Wanna One into this.. Whether it's on Produce or as Wanna One, they did their share to hit big. They're the ones who dig through the public broadcasts and variety shows, they've maintained their popularity too, you're really going to swear at a group who's disbanding?

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  ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 11:57 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° Even if CJ pushed them, there are groups who will still fail. Like Idol School.... I can't remember the name of the group

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  ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 12:09 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° I admit they received some help to hit big, but they also worked hard. Don't try to drag them

 

[midcara]

Idk if this will be accurate. I mean before it was hard to stand out unless you came from a big company or a company with connections, MNet gives smaller companies like MNH a chance at success by displaying their trainee's talent. Also, as long as you get far in the show you usually have a decent following (Soyeon and Donghan prove that)

[Quintessential]

I love seeing Namjoon's face as much as the next person but I'm confused as to why it's there lmao

[Ji-Lovely]

All rookies work hard.. So let's not pretend that produce wasn't a big factor why their teams hit big since debut..

[Stepkdramafan226]

I love seeing Namjoon's face as much as the next person but I'm confused as to why it's there lmao

Trolls are using him as shield.   

He looks cute though 

[MinAi]

That random namjoon pic lol, those pann troll smh

[Map_Linh]

Thanks for giving us that Namjoon pic I guess

[Sehunist]

What's with the Namjoon pic did I miss something?

Anyway I think Mnet should stop the produce 101 project, I've had enough.

[accidie]

all the companies that would debut a new group would send their trainees to produce anyways so no

[coval]

I love seeing Namjoon's face as much as the next person but I'm confused as to why it's there lmao

Lmao

It reminds me of those "I'm not a fan I can prove it! This is my bias! *Posts pic of random actor*" comments when someone posts an appreciation thread.

[SugaJam]

the post is speaking the truth

it is not to discredit the members who will eventually be in the produce group

but rookie groups cannot compete with them, that's a fact

produce also impend the rise of several mid-tier group. there's only so many people in Korea. 

[Lizzo]

I love seeing Namjoon's face as much as the next person but I'm confused as to why it's there lmao

lol you could see a post about toe fungus and a random picture of snsd/exid/bts/whatever group will be on the bottom

[Quintessential]

Trolls are using him as shield.   

He looks cute though 

 

Oh so that the post won't get downvoted? His power

[金彩媛]

the post is speaking the truth

it is not to discredit the members who will eventually be in the produce group

but rookie groups cannot compete with them, that's a fact

produce also impend the rise of several mid-tier group. there's only so many people in Korea.

 

so what's the difference between a produce group and a big 3 group? they both get that debut privilege and overshadow other new acts I don't get why this shocks people when it's the same thing we've always had in K-Pop

[pinkpanda_spirit]

  ㅇㅇ |2019.01.15 10:58 ì‹ ê³ í•˜ê¸° Regardless of the post, I think that it's about time that those groups hit big.... MonstaX, SF9, Seventeen, GOT7, Astro 

[holahuz]

Idk if this will be accurate. I mean before it was hard to stand out unless you came from a big company or a company with connections, MNet gives smaller companies like MNH to have a chance at success by displaying their trainee's talent. Also, as long as you get far in the show you usually have a decent following (Soyeon and Donghan prove that)

 

Only the truth. Big companies used to monopolize the industry before UNLESS the idols' song from small company hit big. Having the show showcases hidden gems from small and unknown companies. Big company stans should accept the reality that they don't always win.

[Angel~♡]

It's good for the trainees to get exposure through the show but I'm not sure artists want to stick to shitty contracts for so long. I mean, wasn't Wanna One complaining last year about getting paid very little or something? I suppose the company managing them and Mnet get a big cut from sales, CF income, concerts etc. And now the 4th group to come out of the P101 series will have a 7-year-long contract. Anyway, I don't think the industry will have any issues because of that. In the past, BIG3 groups were the only ones who hit it real big. Now only BIG3, Big Hit and P101 groups will be very successful. 

[smrookies girls]

I think the Produce series is a great way for small companies to be more known. However (and i'm saying that as a wiz*one), I think that OP isn't exactly wrong. The length of the contract of produce groups is becoming longer and longer and it would be fine if Produce wasn't every year. Some of you are right when you say that it's not different than Big3 groups. But the difference between Big3 groups and Produce groups is that there's not a big3 group debuting every year, so other years groups can have a chance to get ROTY or more recognition.

 

In a few years, the kpop industry will basically become Big3 groups, Produce groups & co. I think that it would be much more fair if there was a Produce season every 2 years and if the final group had a 2 years contract. So there wouldn't be several Produce groups active at the same time (like it's going to be now with IZ*ONE and ProduceX101) and it would let other groups a chance to win ROTY or prove themselves. And also companies would have the time to get a new batch of trainees so they could send their trainees at Produce for each season, which would be great for some agencies as they would always get a chance to have a trainee getting popular

[Drama Drama Drama]

I like the dinamism of Produce format but it's true what op says.

Mnet is building a power similar to Big 3.

With this paradigm it will be complicated to small and mid companies pull another Infinite, Beast, T-ARA, Kara or BTS in 4th gen.

[SugaJam]

so what's the difference between a produce group and a big 3 group? they both get that debut privilege and overshadow other new acts I don't get why this shocks people when it's the same thing we've always had in K-Pop

 

not talking about privilege, just stating facts

rookie groups cannot compete with produce groups. It's done 3x in a row, so it's a fact, not by chances or coincidental. 

 

rookie groups from unknown companies or even mid-tier companies is going to have a hard time, not that they aren't already. even big3 rookie groups need to move over and make room for produce group.

Even establish groups need to makespace. Red Velvet and Twice did with IOI, BTS and Exo did with Wanna1. It's too soon to speak about who's Izone is sharing with right now, possibly Gidle? But Gidle is definitely not on the same level of RV or Twice so we'll see. 

[admiralfarizi]

i've said this before but yes, Produce series and Idol survival show alike is gonna change the Idol industry.

 

for mid to small companies who don't have enough money to promote their upcoming groups, it is more profitable to send them to Produce to get them some spotlight, or, if they are lucky and talented enough, debut in top 11.

 

Produce series is such an effective way to get success and profit. sure you gotta go against other 100 trainee but in the end, if you make it to top 11, it is all worth it. Mnet will just do it all for you.

 

these reasons is why i think there will be more and more survival shows and less and less company that will debut their own group.

[Bian]

Now with Produce series even trainees or other contestants gained more attentions, more fans. Just look at Han Chowon, Go Yujin, Sihyun, Yiren, etc

 

And even Japanese idols won't didn't make it like Miyu, Miu, Juri, Sae, Miru, they have much more followers/fans than before, they are known outside their country.

[Badmood]

Do you think Mnet will make produceX win ROTY and TXT BOF this year?

[shay]

Produced helped alot in popularity of kpop ifans..i know juna,yunjin,chowon,sian,doah..etc because of it..even though they didnt debut in izone or ioi but the hype is there

[Astray]

I think in general with how many groups are debuting that we'll see more groups that have mid tier success, but not enough to reach top tier success. This is what happens when there are more groups to share the pie. I feel like in the 2nd gen, there were more top tier groups, but not many mid tier ones. Leaving most groups to being nugu. Now more have a chance of some success.

 

But I think the globalization of kpop is super important to reach new fans and build fanbases if it's not possible in Korea. We have already seen groups that aren't that popular in Korea become popular overseas and I definitely see this continuing.