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I have a question (only for Muslims please)

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Is being gay a sin or is having sexual intercourse with the same sex person a sin?

(I know that having any sexual intercourse outside of marriage is a sin in Islam)

 

so far from what I know is that you can be gay and Muslim but it is considered a major sin.

Also it's not our right to exclude anyone from Islam because of their sin as it's for Allah to judge.

 

(please be respectful to each other while posting in this thread)

 

 

I can't really have this discussion with someone physically as I feel uncomfortable.
Also I don't know if this question is asked here before and I'm asking this question out of genuine curiosity.
I don't mean to hurt anyone with this question

 

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The answer to your question is yes, and correct me if I'm wrong as I was told by my Christian friend it is a sin as well to them.

 

 

Now, do people have the right to judge? No. as you said only our god can judge our deeds and intentions.

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The answer to your question is yes, and correct me if I'm wrong as I was told by my Christian friend it is a sin as well to them.

 

 

Now, do people have the right to judge? No. as you said only our god can judge our deeds and intentions.

But what I get confused in is being gay a sin or having sexual intercourse a sin?

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It's a bit ambiguous because Muslims aren't taught anything about being gay or it being a possibility. It's treated like it doesn't exist so the rest of us learn about the world through the internet or school or whatever.

 

I know people cite some passage in the Quran that says it is a sin for a man to lay with another man. But nothing about a woman with another woman.

 

I am not gay which makes it easier for me to deal with this, it's a reality that I am not punished for, so I can only imagine how people in the closet feel being invisible.

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But what I get confused in is being gay a sin or having sexual intercourse a sin?

I've heard that being gay is not a sin but having sexual intercourse with the same sex is a sin.

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But what I get confused in is being gay a sin or having sexual intercourse a sin?

 

This is a very tricky question. we're taught that homosexuality in general is a sin and unnatural explained with specific reasons. Now..gay or not we're all humans and we all have needs which includes sex...so if you're gay I'm assuming you will have a sexual intercourse with the same sex and that's a sin as well.

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Depends on the type of Muslim. There are so many and all have very different views of the world and how people should act. In general they all follow the same holy book. From my experience it all depends on how the book is interpreted. And in some cases how the religious leader decides to lead. It all depends on faith which means knowledge is power. It is only a sin if one wants it to be.

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It's a bit ambiguous because Muslims aren't taught anything about being gay or it being a possibility. It's treated like it doesn't exist so the rest of us learn about the world through the internet or school or whatever.

I know people cite some passage in the Quran that says it is a sin for a man to lay with another man. But nothing about a woman with another woman.

I am not gay which makes it easier for me to deal with this, it's a reality that I am not punished for, so I can only imagine how people in the closet feel being invisible.

Yeah I didn't even know that gays existed until I got into yr 8

I've heard that being gay is not a sin but having sexual intercourse with the same sex is a sin.

This is a very tricky question. we're taught that homosexuality in general is a sin and unnatural explained with specific reasons. Now..gay or not we're all humans and we all have needs which includes sex...so if you're gay I'm assuming you will have a sexual intercourse with the same sex and that's a sin as well.

Yeah because I've read about man laying with another man is a sin

But haven't heard about being gay as a sin.

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Well as of what I have heard and learnt, (may the almighty allah forgive me if i am wrong) having sexual intercourse with the same gender is a sin and it doesn't matter if you are Muslim, it is still a sin. Now i dont know whether this also applies to being attracted to the same gender but not acting upon it.

 

However Allah is the most forgiving and he is ultimately the one who will make the decision. So I cannot judge nor proclaim anything.

 

And in the end, Allah sbwt has said he can forgive any sin except for shirkh. So yeah he is the most wise and the most just. So it's up to him.

 

All of us to an extent commit sins therefore insha allah may the almighty Allah sbwt forgive all of us and accept us into jannah. Aameen.

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Depends on the type of Muslim. There are so many and all have very different views of the world and how people should act. In general they all follow the same holy book. From my experience it all depends on how the book is interpreted. And in some cases how the religious leader decides to lead. It all depends on faith which means knowledge is power. It is only a sin if one wants it to be.

I get what you mean by it being intepreted differently but isn't a sin a sin in Islam no matter what your background is

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Well as of what I have heard and learnt, (may the almighty allah forgive me if i am wrong) having sexual intercourse with the same gender is a sin and it doesn't matter if you are Muslim, it is still a sin. Now i dont know whether this also applies to being attracted to the same gender but not acting upon it.

However Allah is the most forgiving and he is ultimately the one who will make the decision. So I cannot judge nor proclaim anything.

And in the end, Allah sbwt has said he can forgive any sin except for shirkh. So yeah he is the most wise and the most just. So it's up to him.

All of us to an extent commit sins therefore insha allah may the almighty Allah sbwt forgive all of us and accept us into jannah. Aameen.

Thank you

May Allah forgive all of us (aameen)

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It's a bit ambiguous because Muslims aren't taught anything about being gay or it being a possibility. It's treated like it doesn't exist so the rest of us learn about the world through the internet or school or whatever.

 

I know people cite some passage in the Quran that says it is a sin for a man to lay with another man. But nothing about a woman with another woman.

 

I am not gay which makes it easier for me to deal with this, it's a reality that I am not punished for, so I can only imagine how people in the closet feel being invisible.

From what I learn it is the same. Gay and lesbianism are both about being homosexual, which is against the Muslim teaching. So it is a sin for both gay and lesbian. But we are not thought of being attracted to the same gender non-sexually. For me, as long as you're attracted to the same gender even with a tiny bit of having sexual interest, you're already having your way towards being sexually attracted, which is against the teaching.

 

 

Well as of what I have heard and learnt, (may the almighty allah forgive me if i am wrong) having sexual intercourse with the same gender is a sin and it doesn't matter if you are Muslim, it is still a sin. Now i dont know whether this also applies to being attracted to the same gender but not acting upon it.

 

However Allah is the most forgiving and he is ultimately the one who will make the decision. So I cannot judge nor proclaim anything.

 

And in the end, Allah sbwt has said he can forgive any sin except for shirkh. So yeah he is the most wise and the most just. So it's up to him.

 

All of us to an extent commit sins therefore insha allah may the almighty Allah sbwt forgive all of us and accept us into jannah. Aameen.

Amin. Islam doesn't teach us to hate on people. But we are thought to be aware of the homosexuality that are against the teaching. On the act itself we are allowed to hate on. Not the person who do it. But like you said, in the end, Allah s.a.w the Almighty will have the say on our own sins and deeds as He is the most wise and merciful.

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I get what you mean by it being intepreted differently but isn't a sin a sin in Islam no matter what your background is

Nope not at all. Islam has religious laws ingrained into its belief(Sharia Law) but those laws have been twisted and mangled throughout history depending on the place of worship for so long that once again it is all on interpretation.

 

There are also Ismaili Muslims who follow a religious leader, the whole situation is complex as there are a ton of differences. But the thing that is consistent is that the sins of the religion are determined by those who enforce them.

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Nope not at all. Islam has religious laws ingrained into its belief(Sharia Law) but those laws have been twisted and mangled throughout history depending on the place of worship for so long that once again it is all on interpretation.

There are also Ismaili Muslims who follow a religious leader, the whole situation is complex as there are a ton of differences. But the thing that is consistent is that the sins of the religion are determined by those who enforce them.

Yeah I get what you mean

But I only trust the Quran

As it's our guide

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It's mainly a huge sin to have sexual relations with someone of the same sex as your's in Islam. But that doesn't mean it's totally okay to still be in even a non intimate relationship with someone of the same sex. 

 

To be more clear, it won't really count as sinning to have the feeling of liking someone of the same sex but Islam doesn't encourage such feelings and is against it. So even though it's not exactly a sin to just like someone of the same sex, it's mainly objected against having such feelings since it ends up leading to sexual relations which is the real deal.

 

 

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All you need to cite is the story of Prophet Lut (PBUH) from the Qur'an.

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It's mainly a huge sin to have sexual relations with someone of the same sex as your's in Islam. But that doesn't mean it's totally okay to still be in even a non intimate relationship with someone of the same sex. 

 

To be more clear, it won't really count as sinning to have the feeling of liking someone of the same sex but Islam doesn't encourage such feelings and is against it. So even though it's not exactly a sin to just like someone of the same sex, it's mainly objected against having such feelings since it ends up leading to sexual relations which is the real deal.

Ah thank you for explaining

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Ah, it is sin - the act of being homosexual. In Abrahamic faiths, to spill without intention to procreate is forbidden and punished by god. Eg. Lot and Onan's stories.

 

What is pbuh, saw and sbwt?

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I learnt that it’s okay to be homosexual but it’s not acceptable to act upon it (so having sexual intercourse with the same gender).

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Ah, it is sin - the act of being homosexual. In Abrahamic faiths, to spill without intention to procreate is forbidden and punished by god. Eg. Lot and Onan's stories.

 

What is pbuh, saw and sbwt?

pbuh: Peace be upon him

 

saw: Ê¿alayhi s-salÄm (peace be upon him)

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Achha thanks.

koee baat nahin

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Being gay(thoughts) isnt a sin. But if you act upon it like for example being a gay couple, or have sex that is a sin. It is your thoughts just like how straight people have feelings and thoughts but if you act upon your thoughts those are sins. Any homosexual acts isnt allowed in Islam. Islam is about propagating ummah(society) and Islam only allows natural way of sex so anal sex for woman is also haram(not allowed and sinful) or inserting objects other than your husband's is haram, mastrubation is haram, watching porn is haram.

 

The best way to describe homosexuality in Islam is the "the people of Lut time", it is in the quran and even chritsians and jews know about. Basically it is a story of a time before Muhammad, Jesus and Moses, it was during Lut's time, where majority of the people during that time are homosexuals, wife of husbands supporting and encouraging their husband homo sexual acts and the wife also has their own homo sexual acts. And because of that punishment was given to the people of that time.

 

Sharia law is manmade law. Quran is not. So Muslim first and foremost follows quran. Sharia follows quran as guidelines but it is not comprehensive since it doesnt follow quran in its entirety. Different countries enacted different shafia law but the law must not contradicts the quran. The most important thing to note is that all Muslims follow quran and hadith.

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Wow, this is a really interesting though.  As someone who is actually studying religion this year (including islam), I would like to know too.  But I supposed that makes sort of sense ?  Like other religions, the rules they follow varies from culture to culture.   Here homosexuality is alright and they can even get married in the church,  cross our border and its not allowed and considered a shameful act. 

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Being gay(thoughts) isnt a sin. But if you act upon it like for example being a gay couple, or have sex that is a sin. It is your thoughts just like how straight people have feelings and thoughts but if you act upon your thoughts those are sins. Any homosexual acts isnt allowed in Islam. Islam is about propagating ummah(society) and Islam only allows natural way of sex so anal sex for woman is also haram(not allowed and sinful) or inserting objects other than your husband's is haram, mastrubation is haram, watching porn is haram.

 

The best way to describe homosexuality in Islam is the "the people of Lut time", it is in the quran and even chritsians and jews know about. Basically it is a story of a time before Muhammad, Jesus and Moses, it was during Lut's time, where majority of the people during that time are homosexuals, wife of husbands supporting and encouraging their husband homo sexual acts and the wife also has their own homo sexual acts. And because of that punishment was given to the people of that time.

 

Sharia law is manmade law. Quran is not. So Muslim first and foremost follows quran. Sharia follows quran as guidelines but it is not comprehensive since it doesnt follow quran in its entirety. Different countries enacted different shafia law but the law must not contradicts the quran. The most important thing to note is that all Muslims follow quran and hadith.

Basically this.

This was well written you basically took the words out of my mouth 

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Being gay(thoughts) isnt a sin. But if you act upon it like for example being a gay couple, or have sex that is a sin. It is your thoughts just like how straight people have feelings and thoughts but if you act upon your thoughts those are sins. Any homosexual acts isnt allowed in Islam. Islam is about propagating ummah(society) and Islam only allows natural way of sex so anal sex for woman is also haram(not allowed and sinful) or inserting objects other than your husband's is haram, mastrubation is haram, watching porn is haram.

 

The best way to describe homosexuality in Islam is the "the people of Lut time", it is in the quran and even chritsians and jews know about. Basically it is a story of a time before Muhammad, Jesus and Moses, it was during Lut's time, where majority of the people during that time are homosexuals, wife of husbands supporting and encouraging their husband homo sexual acts and the wife also has their own homo sexual acts. And because of that punishment was given to the people of that time.

 

Sharia law is manmade law. Quran is not. So Muslim first and foremost follows quran. Sharia follows quran as guidelines but it is not comprehensive since it doesnt follow quran in its entirety. Different countries enacted different shafia law but the law must not contradicts the quran. The most important thing to note is that all Muslims follow quran and hadith.

thank you I learned a lot from this

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