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i wonder if some people don't do some researches before traveling?! not everybody around the globe speaks english as their second language some people grow up learning spanish as their second language, a lot of koreans learn japanese or chinese for their second language.

 

me personally i grow up in an Arab country in the Middle East! i had to go into an Arab local school and soon Arabic became my second language cause the locals speak arabic so it's came naturally plus learning arabic in school as well helped me get better, in the local school they only started teaching english later on in Junior high school which was pretty late and the type of english they teach was shit, only now they changed the system and kids now can learn shitty english starting from elementary school,.

 

english is my third language and i learned it the hard way cause the english they teach in high school is shit, mostly just memorizing english words and the grammar were shit too although in my graduation diploma my highest grades in term of subjects was in english but..

 

the english i am speaking now is mostly what i learned from watching movies and listening to music also social media, a lot of people in social media can help me correct what i am trying to say so yeah that's also helps but some people in social media can be dicks so there's that,.

 

 

now the thing is some countries prioritize their first language, like Japan, Korea, China, and some other countries, i have met some koreans who speak english for their second language cause they work in my country and some koreans who spend more time in korea & japan will probably have japanese as their second language the majority of koreans who can speak english tend to go overseas and they learn english mostly for that reason,.

 

there's also a lot of Bangladesh people who speak Indian or Urdu as their second language & Arabic for their third language,. 

 

 

some of the problems i personally faced is when an english speaking person talk to me in british accent or talks very quickly and they get annoyed when i ask them to repeat what they just said! they won't even try explaining by using more universal words they just want me to understand!!! 

 

i also remember someone who used to constantly shit on my english and keeps telling me how i suck and english was her first language, and i am like wtf is wrong with you? i have to speak 3 languages and you dare to shit on how i speak my third language when you can't even speak more than one language for god fucking sake,...

i can't even understand how some people like this have the guts to drag & shit on someone speaking their language!!!

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What really annoys me is that very very often (from personal experience) native english speakers don't speak other languages at all and yet they get on their high horse about other people's english abilities... 

 

English is just as important as any other language and depending on where you are it can be completely useless

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The secret to learning a new language is literally doing it baby style

 

Watch kids shows at first an upgrade later when ur decent to TV shows and talk shows

 

Thats how i learned french in 2 years and now I'm fluent. Most people swear they thought im french but im american

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i speak 3 languages fluently (one of them is arabic btw) and i'm ok in Japanese , so 4 languages in total

 

however i really struggled with learning english in school ,  i only got better when i started learning it by myself and interacting with people on the internet , though i'm fluent in english i kinda have an accent which makes me kinda unconfident to talk to english native speakers (because you know some people are assholes and may make fun of my accent and i'm not mentally strong to endure that shit)

 

btw what's your first language op ?

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But koreans are learning English in school. So they can communicate in English.

 

 

They demand tourist should learn basic Korean words, sentences. But even you learned them you can't still communicate easily after one basic sentence, when they ask you something in korean or if you ask something them in Korean you can't answer the question so it has no help at all.

 

I am from Turkey, Istanbul. Our education system is very bad but we are still try our best for communicate with tourists and nobody complain, angry to them and demand from them to talk Turkish

 

My father worked in Sultanahmet in many years. It is the center of tourism in Istanbul. I spend a lot of my time in here since my childhood. I saw many Korean tourist in here. And noone was trying to say basic Turkish sentences or words.

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The secret to learning a new language is literally doing it baby style

 

Watch kids shows at first an upgrade later when ur decent to TV shows and talk shows

 

Thats how i learned french in 2 years and now I'm fluent. Most people swear they thought im french but im american

 

but is that method works for adults?

 

 

i speak 3 languages fluently (one of them is arabic btw) and i'm ok in Japanese , so 4 languages in total

 

however i really struggled with learning english in school ,  i only got better when i started learning it by myself and interacting with people on the internet , though i'm fluent in english i kinda have an accent which makes me kinda unconfident to talk to english native speakers (because you know some people are assholes and may make fun of my accent and i'm not mentally strong to endure that shit)

 

btw what's your first language op ?

 

 

i keep my first language a secret "for personal reasons, yeah i am not that proud of where i came from but i would say i am asian ..

 

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But koreans are learning English in school. So they can communicate in English.

 

 

They demand tourist should learn basic Korean words, sentences. But even you learned them you can't still communicate easily after one basic sentence, when they ask you something in korean or if you ask something them in Korean you can't answer the question so it has no help at all.

 

I am from Turkey, Istanbul. Our education system is very bad but we are still try our best for communicate with tourists and nobody complain, angry to them and demand from them to talk Turkish

 

My father worked in Sultanahmet in many years. It is the center of tourism in Istanbul. I spend a lot of my time in here since my childhood. I saw many Korean tourist in here. And noone was trying to say basic Turkish sentences or words.

 

because Koreans prioritize their first language same with japanese & chinese people, and i heard that english is a very hard language for koreans to learn! they can learn japanese & chinese much easier,.

 

for example i also met with some African people who said that english was much easier for them to learn compared to Arabic!!

 

also when it's comes to the majority of jobs in Korea english is pretty much not needed so they probably focus more on other subjects 

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I’m a native English speaker myself but I 100% agree with you. Some native speakers are so arrogant and ignorant - they frown upon anyone who can’t speak English fluently (when I doubt half of them can even speak another language). They have such a superiority complex - they speak English and have such a limited vocabulary yet they still have the audacity to mock others who attempt to speak English. It can be really hard to learn another language, it takes a lot of time and effort. Those who attempt to learn and speak English (when it’s not their native language) deserved to be applauded not belittled and disrespected.

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because Koreans prioritize their first language same with japanese & chinese people, and i heard that english is a very hard language for koreans to learn! they can learn japanese & chinese much easier,.

 

also when it's comes to the majority of jobs in Korea english is pretty much not needed so they probably focus more on other subjects 

It's not like Korean is an easy language to learn for people whose native language is English or any other germanic/romance language?? And we don't get taught it in schools at all. But they are demanding that ALL tourists learn Korean before they go their country? Yet I never hear any Koreans speaking european languages when they come to europe. The thing that was wrong from those posts was the ridiculous double standards.

 

The bottom line is that languages are hard and that we all should be more understanding when talking to anyone from any country and not demand they speak our language. There are other ways to communicate, patience and understanding is key - we are all human after all. 

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No u should know English and if u don't not get mad at TOURIST for expecting u to know it, im not even a native english speaker. It's true native english speaker are entitled but it doesn't change the fact english is the one and only universal language. Like when i go mexico i speak englsih, not spanish(or french) .

 

I would NEVER expect a tourist to speak french if they vist my country. Also korea's second language is english so saying u don't speak it at all, u might as well say u did not listen in school.

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I think a lot of languages have people who are unwilling to learn another language and mock others who don't speak their's, not only English. I think because English is so common people use that as a a crutch, and since a lot of people speak that language there are more a holes that become prominent for the language.

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I hate it when customers complain that they had to speak to one of my co-workers who have an accent, like how many languages can you speak? Luckily I live in a city full of immigrants so at least where I live people are more understanding in general.

 

I don’t get people who travel and expect everyone to speak English. I was always felt grateful if there were people who spoke English but I didn’t expect it.

 

Also, I’m really impressed with everyone’s English here. I can’t communicate as well as you guys do in my second language.

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What really annoys me is that very very often (from personal experience) native english speakers don't speak other languages at all and yet they get on their high horse about other people's english abilities... 

 

English is just as important as any other language and depending on where you are it can be completely useless

Yes but it’s ok because it makes them have more of a reason to study the language

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but is that method works for adults?

 

 

 

 

i keep my first language a secret "for personal reasons, yeah i am not that proud of where i came from but i would say i am asian ..

 

 

Of course it works for adults. It worked for me.

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because Koreans prioritize their first language same with japanese & chinese people, and i heard that english is a very hard language for koreans to learn! they can learn japanese & chinese much easier,.

 

for example i also met with some African people who said that english was much easier for them to learn compared to Arabic!!

 

also when it's comes to the majority of jobs in Korea english is pretty much not needed so they probably focus more on other subjects

 

"You are saying that "i wonder if some people don't do some researches before traveling?!" I did a europe tour for 11 days in 8 city/6 country. How can I learn their language in every country? I even couldn't make enough research about them because of my short time. In total I visited 18 cities/11 countries in my Erasmus and I didn't face any problem about it.

 

You are saying English is hard for Koreans but English and Korean is hard for me too. I still tried my best to learn English without complain about "why everybody talking English, why it is global language"

 

I got angry about other netizen thread because the are saying a lot of bad/disrespectful things about tourists.

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It's not like Korean is an easy language to learn for people whose native language is English or any other germanic/romance language?? And we don't get taught it in schools at all. But they are demanding that ALL tourists learn Korean before they go their country? Yet I never hear any Koreans speaking european languages when they come to europe. The thing that was wrong from those posts was the ridiculous double standards.

 

The bottom line is that languages are hard and that we all should be more understanding when talking to anyone from any country and not demand they speak our language. There are other ways to communicate, patience and understanding is key - we are all human after all. 

 

the thing is personally i wouldn't go to Korea when i can't speak the basics, Europe is different and i guess European people are more understanding just like how a lot of arabs that i met won't force me to speak their language, 

 

u have to understand that english is not universal everywhere, of course a Korean person in Korea might not be that nice about you not being able to speak their language cause they prioritize their language that much their first language is the 'universal' language for them so i wouldn't go to Korea only to complain about not finding someone who speaks english when i already know they prioritize their language,

 

but again same thing you can say about english people who have superiority complex and drag people who can't speak english properly!

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if you work in an industry that attracts a lot of tourists, it's useful to learn a few phrases of popular language of the tourists that it attracts. and as english is the lingua franca, many non-english tourists will default to using english when in a foreign country. 

 

it goes both ways. if you know you're going to be dealing with foreign people day in, day out, as part of your job, it would certainly help to know the main language these tourists speak - which just so happens to be english. similarly, if you're going to a foreign country you should learn some common phrases etc.

nobody should expect someone to learn the entire language of another country for tourist related reasons (be that your job in a tourist attraction, or being a tourist yourself) but it's certainly helpful to learn phrases.

 

i find it wild that people can't pick up things through working these sorts of jobs though. i know quite a few people who've worked with lots of latvian and hungarian people and have picked up phrases in said languages just from being with them every day?

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"You are saying that "i wonder if some people don't do some researches before traveling?!" I did a europe tour for 11 days in 8 city/6 country. How can I learn their language in every country? I even couldn't make enough research about them because of my short time. In total I visited 18 cities/11 countries in my Erasmus and I didn't face any problem about it.

 

I got angry about other netizen thread because the are saying a lot of bad/disrespectful things about tourists.

 

what i meant by "i wonder if some people don't do some researches before traveling?!" i didn't meant to learn their language but to see if people there have english as a universal language or not, that's why i know that Koreans prioritize their language so i don't wanna get myself in trouble, i would do some researches about any country before i visit them, and you can research about anything like hotels blah blah blah etc,..

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the thing is personally i wouldn't go to Korea when i can't speak the basics, Europe is different and i guess European people are more understanding just like how a lot of arabs that i met won't force me to speak their language, 

 

u have to understand that english is not universal everywhere, of course a Korean person in Korea might not be that nice about you not being able to speak their language cause they prioritize their language that much their first language is the 'universal' language for them so i wouldn't go to Korea only to complain about not finding someone who speaks english when i already know they prioritize their language,

 

but again same thing you can say about english people who have superiority complex and drag people who can't speak english properly!

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..I understand that english is not universal everywhere I literally study linguistics. I did not mention that Korean people (or anyone else for that matter) should be fluent in english once. But why are you saying european and arab countries are different? why should Korea be different from any other country in the world? That doesn't make sense to me at all. You also keep mentioning that Koreans prioritise their own language - of course they do!! Every country prioritises the first language!! But most people have the understanding that people who are not from your country won't be fluent in your language and so often, will resort to a common language, which just so happens to be english.

 

I have been to Korea and I can speak Korean decently well but a lot of the time people wanted to speak to me in English and those who didn't (old people for example) really tried to meet me in the middle and I learned a lot from them. Again, all I'm saying is that particular post and the comments on it had ridiculous double standards - most people speak english when they go abroad because it's a lingua franca, regardless of how broken their fluency is - because that genuinely doesn't matter! people can express themselves with very little! and I'm very very sure that those comments are not representative of the opinions of most Korean people at all. 

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No u should know English and if u don't not get mad at TOURIST for expecting u to know it, im not even a native english speaker. It's true native english speaker are entitled but it doesn't change the fact english is the one and only universal language. Like when i go mexico i speak englsih, not spanish(or french) .

 

I would NEVER expect a tourist to speak french if they vist my country. Also korea's second language is english so saying u don't speak it at all, u might as well say u did not listen in school.

 

okay go to Korea and speak english and then come here and share your story lol imstupid.png

 

you probably never heard of countries that prioritize their first language, and not at you saying korea's second language is english but not japanese or chinese wow 

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what i meant by "i wonder if some people don't do some researches before traveling?!" i didn't meant to learn their language but to see if people there have english as a universal language or not, that's why i know that Koreans prioritize their language so i don't wanna get myself in trouble, i would do some researches about any country before i visit them, and you can research about anything like hotels blah blah blah etc,..

But Korea is a touristic country because of Kpop, Kdramas etc. They are doing a lot of campaign to get attention of tourists, and gain money. So they are not an isolated country from English.

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okay go to Korea and speak english and then come here and share your story lol imstupid.png

 

you probably never heard of countries that prioritize their first language, and not at you saying korea's second language is english but not japanese or chinese wow 

it literally is though. More people in Korea speak english than japanese or chinese....and i am not talking about fluency but in understanding/recognising basic words. They learn english in schools from a very young age, japanese and chinese are often learned electively at hagwons. 

 

have u been to korea op?? 

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OMG Preach................... I speak 5 languages , english was the third one i learned , i was born and raised in germany . I do believe that the german education system is one of the best in europe especially when it comes to foreign languages (we are kinda forced to speak 2 foreign languages in order to get the highest school graduation in germany that allows you to apply for university/college)

 

But even here many are so ignorant towards foreigners, especially when they speak with accent or when they speak bad german, while they can't even speak the only language they know correctly. 

 

 

But what annoys me the most is when people use your language barrier against you ,for example if you used a wrong word or didn't understood a word or didn't know that the word you actually only know one definition of also has a different meaning in a native english speaking community... and instead of correcting you or trying to explain that specific words also have a different meaning, they use this mistake to bash or to slander you.

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because Koreans prioritize their first language same with japanese & chinese people, and i heard that english is a very hard language for koreans to learn! they can learn japanese & chinese much easier,.

 

for example i also met with some African people who said that english was much easier for them to learn compared to Arabic!!

 

also when it's comes to the majority of jobs in Korea english is pretty much not needed so they probably focus more on other subjects 

English is a mayor part on the korean sat. They also start to teach english in 3rd grade. English is very much needed to get a job.

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