XIUDEAN 4,562 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I know this thread might not get much traction since people don't really care about gx9 much on here but I wanted to get it out: Gugudan has great vocals, great dance line, great variety sense and great songs and they also have Sejeong/Mina yet they are not excelling to the level they should be. and it's mainly bc of Jellyfish imho. Jellyfish just doesn't seem to care anymore. It was a rocky start to begin with when Jelpi rushed out their debut and had song/concept that many didn't like but a rough debut you can bounce back from and they did with A Girl Like Me and that song/album actually did alright. But they gave the girls a way too long break and during that time Sejeong was active as usual but Jelpi didn't try to push the rest of the group that hard at all. Like Gugudan could have soared if Jelpi tried to book them for Immortal Songs 2, if they went on that show they could have had a similar rise to Mamamoo who made their name with strong vocals and performance. Gugudan are known for their great a cappella but many non fans don't even know this bc again Jelpi isn't promoting that quality enough. It's very frustrating to stan a group and see their peers flying by and surpassing them slowly when they truly deserve to be way more ahead. SMH This probably belongs on the rant thread I'm sure but I didn't think it would get any response there tbh, the Gugudan sleeping on is real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danee Danee 5,179 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 You forgot how they gave the group kinda public unfriendly songs and concepts (out of AGLM). Gugudan deserves better. But in the end the only one who was handled well out of P101 is Chungha and Soyeon. Which is kinda sad. On the other hand you are ranting about Gugudan who is still doing relatively well while Berry Good are going to release Christmas song tomorrow and nobody knows at all. Most people dont even know who they are.. . My point is... Gugudan is still floating around while some other groups got like no chance to make it at this point. You still have a hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amal.ha 6,674 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I think that a company could make or break a group really . In this case, they had a great group to start with but they did all the wrong things . And I also think that the company is making a lot more money with individual schedules than they would with all of the group promoting and that's the case for a lot of groups but not this early in theirs careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicrowavedTeaforYourSoul 6,318 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I said it before. They should've debuted with AGLM. Wonderland charting on Melon was pretty OK even though it was a bad song. And the hype after PD101 was still there. A song like AGLM would have gave them a very good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starsocks 7,985 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Literally any group can be popular with the right timing and proper management tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero_Kpop 835 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I think it's harsh to say that it's Jellyfish fault. From what i see they have tried everything possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accidie 1,152 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 they were definitely mismanaged in a way, but to be honest, only semina should've debuted. i've checked out every single comeback of theirs, and i literally didn't notice any of the other girls let alone remembered their names low-mid tier companies should stop debuting large girl groups because most of them don't end up getting noticed. just look at every successful non-big3 gg and you'll see that they were all smaller sized - kara, 4minute, sistar, mamamoo, gfriend... the list goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhairedeunsang 272 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yeah kpop companies should stop debuting large girl groups and they should go the standard that is 5 to 7. Gugudan has some nice songs tho I really like the boots but I really hate AGLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachuu 118 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 i think the amount of members is also a problem. if they debuted semina + maybe 2 or 3 other trainees i feel like they could've been more successful than by putting them in an already crowded group. and not just jellyfish is guilty on doing this, i feel this way about most post-ioi groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B612 22,399 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 all I know is that they failed Sejeong big time not continuing her solo career, Flower Path was a hit and the fact they keep pushing weird songs for Gugudan doesn't help... It's like they don't know what to do with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuuki_sakura 1,045 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 But their songs are not public-friendly! At least to me, except for A Girl Like Me, I can't listen to any songs of their... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIUDEAN 4,562 Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 But their songs are not public-friendly! At least to me, except for A Girl Like Me, I can't listen to any songs of their... I don't think this argument is that fair. The public is very inconsistent when it comes to taste anyway. Some non public friendly songs still do well depending on the artist/group. Also I'm referring more to building a fanbase as opposed to pleasing the public. I think if they had a consistent style/concept then it wouldn't matter if the songs were "public friendly" or not bc fans will enjoy their bias music more than random Koreans would regardless of genre i think the amount of members is also a problem. if they debuted semina + maybe 2 or 3 other trainees i feel like they could've been more successful than by putting them in an already crowded group. and not just jellyfish is guilty on doing this, i feel this way about most post-ioi groups. Yeah kpop companies should stop debuting large girl groups and they should go the standard that is 5 to 7. Gugudan has some nice songs tho I really like the boots but I really hate AGLM they were definitely mismanaged in a way, but to be honest, only semina should've debuted. i've checked out every single comeback of theirs, and i literally didn't notice any of the other girls let alone remembered their names All 3 of you are making the group size argument and while I agree that the trend is over-saturated at the moment I also disagree that it's the issue holding them back specifically. WJSN has even more members and they are doing better than Gugudan rn (some could argue it's bc of Chinese fanbase sure) but the point stands, large girl groups can still do very well, it's mainly other factors at play here I think) As long as the company can promote the group then they can do great in spite of numbers. I think it's harsh to say that it's Jellyfish fault. From what i see they have tried everything possible No. No they have not. Gugudan have periods of almost 8 months between full group comebacks. That's ridiculous for a rookie girl group to survive on. They mainly pushed Sejeong heavily thinking it would translate to the group and it didn't work. They never really pushed other members as much as they could tbh. They girls don't have a big online presence either and Jellyfish could gain attention through consistent song and dance covers like some other groups do. Literally any group can be popular with the right timing and proper management tbh Technically true but most groups either have companies with MANY groups to manage or a lack of funds. Jellyfish doesn't fit of these and they're not doing proper promotion for the group anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralfarizi 436 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 one of the problem imo is (altough everybody already knows it) : pushing Sejeong too much, and not giving much for other members time to shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollifox 286 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Sejong’s talent and hype was absolutely wasted. The PD101 hype is long over now. They should’ve waited until after IOI was over to debut. They also should’ve tried harder to make the other girls known, besides the PD101 three, I couldn’t name another girl from the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIUDEAN 4,562 Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 one of the problem imo is (altough everybody already knows it) : pushing Sejeong too much, and not giving much for other members time to shine. Sejong’s talent and hype was absolutely wasted. The PD101 hype is long over now. They should’ve waited until after IOI was over to debut. They also should’ve tried harder to make the other girls known, besides the PD101 three, I couldn’t name another girl from the group.I agree with both of you. Debuting at the time they did was honestly a mistake. It hindered both gugudan and IOI also was backed into a corner and had to do a subunit smh Sent from my SM-G570F using OneHallyu mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accidie 1,152 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 WJSN has even more members and they are doing better than Gugudan rn (some could argue it's bc of Chinese fanbase sure) As long as the company can promote the group then they can do great in spite of numbers. this is a fact imo, wjsn beats them in physicals and the size of the fandom (chinese support) but if we're comparing how well their songs are doing or gp's general interest, they're pretty much the same jellyfish can promote gugudan, but the group itself didn't turn out to be enough profitable and they can't absorb the costs of full on promotions because of that. let's take loona for example, the only reason loona is doing well is because bbc promoted the shit out of them because they could, but in the end, there's no way loona as a project returned actual profit which bbc probably doesn't even care about i think the size point still stands if you want to create an actually successful girl group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWASH 494 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Well, their senior Vixx is underrated, so I'm not surprised about Gugudan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoshisus 397 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 i agree! gugudan should rise, wish they had a better name tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody 1,619 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Well, their senior Vixx is underrated, so I'm not surprised about Gugudan Vixx became fairly successful one year after the debut (they had their first music win in 2013). And they went on to get more music wins and year-end awards. Even now they seem to have active individual schedules and group activities. Gugudan hasn't met success yet because Jellyfish didn't manage them as well as they did with Vixx and/or the market is really over-saturated now compared to few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glissando 616 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Reading this thread makes me sad. I've liked some of Gugudan's songs but it seems every time I stumble onto the fact that they've had a comeback, they've disappeared again. Do you have any recommendations for getting into the group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Skinny-penis 2,876 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I said it before. They should've debuted with AGLM. Wonderland charting on Melon was pretty OK even though it was a bad song. And the hype after PD101 was still there. A song like AGLM would have gave them a very good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team snack 518 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Their songs are not my cup tea except the boots which I really love. If mamamoo released that song it probably charted better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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