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Isu Station Incident: Rad fem frenzy or misogyny?

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The 'Isu Station Incident' is drawing a lot of attention in Korea. On November 13th, a Pann user posted her version of the story and Pann Choa translated it. I'm curious if they will keep you updated with a follow-up post because the narrative will have to be modified significantly.
 
https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2018/11/twenties-stories-graphic-help-me.html
 
If you remember the high-profile Lee Jung-hee and Yang Ye-won cases that turned out to be completely or significantly false, you should know that it’s always better to wait for further details and confirmed facts. I don't know why so many people still choose to be gullible. Or maybe they just can’t resist the strong urge to jump the gun as long as some dramatized stories involve female victims. I’m sure some I-nets got some awareness about Japanese nationalists after the BTS incident. In Korea, rad fems are currently one of the most manipulative agenda-driven groups online. As a strategy, they always try to reach out to both domestic and foreign media outlets very quickly and actively with their sanitized stories like a blitzkrieg. You guys are one of their targets, too.
 
Namu Wiki is usually good at collecting receipts in real time. A user who claimed to be the woman of the couple created the following Pann post on November 15.
 

I re-write this post because my previous post has been deleted. It was deleted because of some curse words that I used to describe what those sisters were saying.
 
So I was drinking with my boyfriend at a pub. Then these two women on another table began dissing us using words like ‘imitation dick’, ‘dick-sucking’, and ‘hannam couple’. We couldn’t continue to keep our cool and we ended up arguing with them. The sisters said to me, “Because of an imitation dick like you, women’s rights are going backward. What’s good about our anti-corset movement when nothing changes because of imitation dicks like you? What’s good about dating a tiny-dick hannam?†They picked on me and verbally abused me like that. After reading internet news articles, I learned that the two women were sisters.
 
When they were verbally abusing us, it drew attention from other people at the pub. A group of men told the sisters to stop harassing us who did nothing wrong. Then one of the sisters began filming the men. Of course, the men told her not to film them saying it’s like spycam that people like her complain about. The sisters did not stop taking the video. The situation was escalating as one of the men tried to take the phone away from the woman. My boyfriend wanted to help them because they tried to help us but I asked him to leave because I was afraid to get involved in a bad incident. Some news articles, female-dominant communities and misandry websites are defending the sisters calling it a ‘misogyny’ incident. The real misogyny was that I was verbally abused by the sisters. We were not physically assaulted, but we were involved in the incident. I feel sorry that someone got injured and it ended up becoming a bad incident.


Of course, you don't know if this was written by the real girlfriend of the couple or if she was telling you the truth. But by the same token, you don't know if the original Pann post was telling you the truth. Then, there are videos that have been released.
 
Here is a footage from MBC. According to MBC, the witnesses said the two women provoked the couple out of nowhere and then got in a quarrel with three men who tried to help the couple.
 


 

Man: Try hitting me first. Try hitting me first. Fucking hit me, bitch.
Woman: You hit me! You can’t even do it when you got a dick?
Woman: You’ve never dated a woman, right? You are a virgin, right? You are gay, right? You sell your dick, right? You sell your ass, right?

 
This is a footage before the physical altercation.
 


 

Woman A: Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn’t go out with a dick like that.
Woman B: If my dick is 6.9 cm, I would just kill myself.
Woman A: My clitoris is bigger than your tiny dick.
Woman B: Hey, my clitoris is bigger than yours.
Woman B: But those assholes probably don’t know what a clitoris is because they’ve never dated women.
Woman A: Ahahaha.
Woman B: Hey, you guys don’t know what a clitoris is because you’ve never dated women, do you?
Woman A: 2 on 1 alone chikchikpokpok. (Rad fems call gay sex like this.)
Woman B: Idiot bastards. Idiot bastards. (Giving the middle finger.)
Woman A: Anal whoring chikchikpokpok.
Woman B: Idiots. Your dicks are 6.9 cm.
Woman A: 6.9 cm.
Woman B: You guys can’t date women… You guys can’t date women…
Woman A: You Megalian bitch. (In a sarcastic tone.)
Woman B: You Megalian bitch.
Woman A: Hey Oppa go out!
Woman B: You Megalian bitch.
Pub owner: Please be quiet.
Woman B: Huh?
Pub owner: Please be quiet.
Woman B: Go talk to those assholes.
Woman B: You guys are 6.9 cm. Idiot bastards.
Woman B: You guys are 6.9 cm.
Woman B: It means tiny dick? It means tiny dick? It means tiny dick?
Girlfriend: Can I call the police?
Woman A & B: Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Call them!

 
What we know is that the sisters were not some poor innocent victims as they claimed to be. What we don't know yet is exactly how the physical altercation progressed.
 
Basically, Korean rad fems have huge online communities and they always look for materials to blow up. There is a very long list of things they have fabricated. I-nets tend to see fragmented snapshots usually presented by possibly biased translators, some of whom might as well be one of 'them'. I know many I-nets find it hard to believe such irrational toxic radical feminism being the mainstream brand of feminism. At least on the Korean internet, they are the most visible maybe because they have too much free time. It's scary how the online petition got so many votes with such a blatantly false narrative and how many I-nets are being blindly herded.
 
https://onehallyu.com/topic/691969-jbpann-female-communities-divided-over-anti-corset-feminist-movement/
https://onehallyu.com/topic/691595-korean-feminism-and-online-communities/

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I wish people would stop being abusive and harassing in the name of "feminism". I hate being associated with people who want to tear down men. I am a feminist and I have no interest in this.

 

real feminism supports women and men, both women's issues and men's issues.

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this is a great thread, thank you for posting this. I will quote this part from your post for a strong reminder for ALL INTERNET USER.

 

you should know that it’s always better to wait for further details and confirmed facts. I don't know why so many people still choose to be gullible. Or maybe they just can’t resist the strong urge to jump the gun

 

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i-

 

need time to process this.

 

 That's exactly what everyone needs to do. Don't be hasty.

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It doesnt matter what they said, its still wrong to beat them up, UNLESS the sisters were also the ones who threw the first punch

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It doesnt matter what they said, its still wrong to beat them up, UNLESS the sisters were also the ones who threw the first punch

 

There is a new article.

 

According to the pub owner, one of the women got physical first with one of the men who still did not retaliate immediately and then the other woman joined. The CCTV supports his statement. The police confirmed that the men tried to leave and the women tried to drag them. One of the women's injury happened because she fell on the stairs. The CCTV doesn't cover that area so they still don't know exactly what happened on the stairs. The police also said the men are looking for lawyers while the women are avoiding contact.

 

Look. The women claimed they got assaulted just for having short hair and wearing no make-up. What a big lie is that? They turned this into yet another distorted feminist frenzy. Do you see how much they have twisted the whole thing?

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Wow, i can't believe i actually believed this story. Even though it was actually really weird that "two womens were assaulted but nobody intervened".

 

Because of people like this, feminism is looked down upon and people consider them crazy. 

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This is scary how radical feminism has such a huge influence on Korean women.

You can tell that they don't accept gay men as well and are known for being transphobic too..

I just hope its just beginning of feminism in Korea and it will change soon

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Ngl I was gullible, too, though I found the situation weird at first. As much as I dislike men, it's quite unbelievable that the women were attacked suddenly, as they claimed. I admit that I was biased.

And not saying that what this person said was 100% true or I think so, but I know some women take "feminism" extremely (or hiding their hatred towards men through feminism, more like) so I think this one is more believable, for me at least. (The couple should've fled asap though).

 

Still, violence is not every problem's solutions.

 

Remember, kids, don't spread /every/thing you believed from Twitter.

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There is a new article.

 

According to the pub owner, one of the women got physical first with one of the men who still did not retaliate immediately and then the other woman joined. The CCTV supports his statement. The police confirmed that the men tried to leave and the women tried to drag them. One of the women's injury happened because she fell on the stairs. The CCTV doesn't cover that area so they still don't know exactly what happened on the stairs. The police also said the men are looking for lawyers while the women are avoiding contact.

 

Look. The women claimed they got assaulted just for having short hair and wearing no make-up. What a big lie is that? They turned this into yet another distorted feminist frenzy. Do you see how much they have twisted the whole thing?

The investigation still hasnt finished and no one is declared innocent or guilty by the law yet, you cant call out people for believing things blindly but you are also passing early judgements. I'll hold my judgements for those sisters and men until the investigation is over. I was just saying that in a case of physical assault, any case of physical assault, verbal abuse doesnt give you the right to hurt someone physically

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feminazis are big problem now a days. fake rape scandals are making men afraid of women. men dont wanna make a marriage anymore.

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The truth always will be light.

But is my impresion or op always trying to create empathy with korean men who are meninist and have fame to make feel ugly to women?

1.Yang Yewon case. Yes she made the photo with consense but for that reason she didn't deserve to appear in that page without consense. And op made the observation "the case was false". No one women deserve appear in that type of page and being exposed without consense as Yang Yewom but you said "it's false" but I bet you are korean man what appear in OH to defend korean men honor. For korean men it's so easy ruin women reputation because korean laws don't help women. I like kpop and kdramas but I know no all korean men are as EXO or Lee Minho in my posters. The korean movie Han Gong Joo changed my vision about korean men. It's horrible to believe what a victim of multi rape hasn't justice because rapist and their families didn't leave her in peace and korean police said "she found the problem". The movie is based in a real case what didn't have justice.

2. Goo Hara case. A lot of post saying she is the bad girl when the reality was she defending of a bad ex boyfriend who made porno extortion to make viral photos and videos of her. And justice made the light when the ex was exposed as an asshole.

3. Now this. If the women are feminazi don't quit the situation of men hitting and make feel bad to women for not follow the korean beauty concepts.

It's true feminazi are fundamentalist and scare me. But if women (korean and women of others parts of the world) are indignated with korean men it's because korean women are exposed to unfair laws. Women are not protected of molka, rapists, discrimination, bullying for not being conventional pretty.

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People are so fast to believe anything they read when playing the victim, if she is being suspected there's a reason for it, since there were people in the pub aside of them + cameras. I wish we will get an update on this thought.

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The investigation still hasnt finished and no one is declared innocent or guilty by the law yet, you cant call out people for believing things blindly but you are also passing early judgements. I'll hold my judgements for those sisters and men until the investigation is over. I was just saying that in a case of physical assault, any case of physical assault, verbal abuse doesnt give you the right to hurt someone physically

 

The last article I cited is from one of the mainstream newspapers. They clearly stated what's known and what's not known. What's clear is that the women altered the story a lot to create an innocent victim narrative for themselves. It is a very very different story. Yes, of course, you are not supposed to physically attack someone for being verbally abused. In fact, the men were holding themselves very well. They even tried to just leave but the women kept bothering them. Maybe one of the men pushed one of the following women on the stairs. Maybe she just fell on her own. We still don't know about that part of the incident. Let's even say one of the men is found guilty for pushing her back. Even so, the woman is not supposed to get so much sympathy. Even so, it was not an incident to whip up the feminist frenzy. Actually, it was the opposite.

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The truth always will be light.

But is my impresion or op always trying to create empathy with korean men who are meninist and have fame to make feel ugly to women?

1.Yang Yewon case. Yes she made the photo with consense but for that reason she didn't deserve to appear in that page without consense. And op made the observation "the case was false". No one women deserve appear in that type of page and being exposed without consense as Yang Yewom but you said "it's false" but I bet you are korean man what appear in OH to defend korean men honor. For korean men it's so easy ruin women reputation because korean laws don't help women. I like kpop and kdramas but I know no all korean men are as EXO or Lee Minho in my posters. The korean movie Han Gong Joo changed my vision about korean men. It's horrible to believe what a victim of multi rape hasn't justice because rapist and their families didn't leave her in peace and korean police said "she found the problem". The movie is based in a real case what didn't have justice.

2. Goo Hara case. A lot of post saying she is the bad girl when the reality was she defending of a bad ex boyfriend who made porno extortion to make viral photos and videos of her. And justice made the light when the ex was exposed as an asshole.

3. Now this. If the women are feminazi don't quit the situation of men hitting and make feel bad to women for not follow the korean beauty concepts.

It's true feminazi are fundamentalist and scare me. But if women (korean and women of others parts of the world) are indignated with korean men it's because korean women are exposed to unfair laws. Women are not protected of molka, rapists, discrimination, bullying for not being conventional pretty.

OP is totally is a meninist lol He definitely isn't bias free in these kind of topics.

He posted before arguing against Korea feminists and complain about about radfem hijacked molka thing like that invalidate the serious issues women face from secret cam. I remember how he said " thankfully older korean men are much more reasonable than pann teen girls" just bc they defend izone from hate on one article..like yeah great they're not hating on izone but it's probably more bc they got boner for any attractive girl group than bc they're rEaSoNaBlE :imstupid:

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i already had assumed having short hair wasnt all there was to it so i didn't say anything, the world isnt so black and white

 

ifans can be so gullible

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OP is totally is a meninist lol He definitely isn't bias free in these kind of topics.

He posted before arguing against Korea feminists and complain about about radfem hijacked molka thing like that invalidate the serious issues women face from secret cam. I remember how he said " thankfully older korean men are much more reasonable than pann teen girls" just bc they defend izone from hate on one article..like yeah great they're not hating on izone but it's probably more bc they got boner for any attractive girl group than bc they're rEaSoNaBlE :imstupid:

When feminazi and meninist fight each other, the victim would be real female feminist and non-meninist men.

Frankly speaking, Korea had always been haven for men, for centuries Korean women are treated like second class citizens, birthing machine, and household free cleaning service&chef&slave in one package for the husband&in-laws. Not to mention the typical stereotype of women as dumb, stupid, irrational, emotional etc--> granted these misogynistic stereotypes are shared by almost all cultures.

 

When you're so used to the privilege, any attempt to equalize your position with those you oppressed would feel like oppression. Korean men are so used to the privilege of being korean men, so when they realize that privilege is slowly disappearing they start to feel like they're being oppressed.

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The truth always will be light.

But is my impresion or op always trying to create empathy with korean men who are meninist and have fame to make feel ugly to women?

OP is totally is a meninist lol He definitely isn't bias free in these kind of topics.

He posted before arguing against Korea feminists and complain about about radfem hijacked molka thing like that invalidate the serious issues women face from secret cam. I remember how he said " thankfully older korean men are much more reasonable than pann teen girls" just bc they defend izone from hate on one article..like yeah great they're not hating on izone but it's probably more bc they got boner for any attractive girl group than bc they're rEaSoNaBlE :imstupid:

I definitely think OP has an agenda but at the same time we are getting two "supposedly" sides of the issue. The original from Pann was not truthful either when more evidence appears.

 

So OP is right in saying don't be too quick to believe all these posts. I've been burned by them in the past so now I wait until more information comes out.

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The last article I cited is from one of the mainstream newspapers. They clearly stated what's known and what's not known.

After hara's case where the first batch of articles really make it sound like she's guilty, and the second batch of articles really make it sound like her bf's guilty, and then the third batch of articles really make it sound like she's guilty, and it just keeps going back and forth like that, i'm tired of korean journalism, i agree with you that we shouldnt believe victims blindly, but you should also take your own advice

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After hara's case where the first batch of articles really make it sound like she's guilty, and the second batch of articles really make it sound like her bf's guilty, and then the third batch of articles really make it sound like she's guilty, and it just keeps going back and forth like that, i'm tired of korean journalism, i agree with you that we shouldnt believe victims blindly, but you should also take your own advice

It is not just Korean journalism but a big problem with journalists in every countries. Most journalists now don't do investigative work anymore, they just take things at face value and posted in online. Everything is about speed. The truth does not matter. Journalism is dead.

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But is my impresion or op always trying to create empathy with korean men who are meninist and have fame to make feel ugly to women?

 

If that’s how you generalize Korean men, I’m curious what your general description for Korean women would be. Radical feminists who have the reputation of making everyone feel miserable? Are you gonna say something like this? This is NOT about men vs women. This is about sane vs insane. These stories I-nets get to see are often freshly delivered by Korean feminists themselves. They always try to spread their version of factoids everywhere first. They try to take advantage of many foreigners’ lack of contextual awareness about what’s been going on in Korea. They know how to use the ‘feminism card’ to earn quick sympathy points and reactions. I’ve seen enough false claims that had already been debunked in Korea reach very far abroad. And then, there is lack of counterweight. I mean it takes a lot of time and energy to track those organized rad fem activities and debunk them. Many normal Korean men and women curse at them but that’s about it. They can’t bother spreading awareness further. I try to do my part occasionally but I have a job to do.

 

1.Yang Yewon case. Yes she made the photo with consense but for that reason she didn't deserve to appear in that page without consense. And op made the observation "the case was false". No one women deserve appear in that type of page and being exposed without consense as Yang Yewom but you said "it's false" but I bet you are korean man what appear in OH to defend korean men honor.

 

Nobody said she was not a victim. She was because her photos were illegally leaked and that’s why she started it all. However, it turned out that she significantly forged her story. A big portion of her original story was found to be false. The whole initial outrage wasn’t just because of the photo leakage. It reminds you that you can’t just take one-sided statements as the absolute truth.

 

For korean men it's so easy ruin women reputation because korean laws don't help women. I like kpop and kdramas but I know no all korean men are as EXO or Lee Minho in my posters. The korean movie Han Gong Joo changed my vision about korean men. It's horrible to believe what a victim of multi rape hasn't justice because rapist and their families didn't leave her in peace and korean police said "she found the problem". The movie is based in a real case what didn't have justice.

 

Throughout legal history, there have been many cases where victims didn’t get justice or innocent people were wrongfully accused. They are all unfortunate. You are only looking at it from a specific angle.

 

According to a report from the Korea Institute of Criminology (2010), Korean men tend to be much more harshly punished for similar crimes than Korean women. There is a growing consensus that it’s easy for a Korean woman to ruin a man’s life only with accusations because the ‘Innocent until proven guilty’ principle is routinely ignored these days with the national feminist pressure when it comes to sexual crimes in Korea. Recently, there was a high-profile incident where a man with a clean record was sentenced to a 6-month jail term without proof. The woman claimed he touched her butt while he was passing by. The CCTV couldn’t prove it either way. There have been other high-profile cases where the man even committed suicide and the accusation was found to be false later. It all depends on the judge after all. Sometimes some of them give verdicts that are very hard to understand.

 

2. Goo Hara case. A lot of post saying she is the bad girl when the reality was she defending of a bad ex boyfriend who made porno extortion to make viral photos and videos of her. And justice made the light when the ex was exposed as an asshole.

 

Again, the lesson is, don’t jump the gun.

 

3. Now this. If the women are feminazi don't quit the situation of men hitting and make feel bad to women for not follow the korean beauty concepts.

 

Are you even following the development of the issue? What Korean beauty concepts? What are you even talking about?

It's true feminazi are fundamentalist and scare me. But if women (korean and women of others parts of the world) are indignated with korean men it's because korean women are exposed to unfair laws. Women are not protected of molka, rapists, discrimination, bullying for not being conventional pretty.

 

You can absolutely feel sorry about anybody who got unfair treatment. What I'm saying is, act only after you have reasonable proof. What I'm saying is, be aware that rad fems are really trying hard to deceive people these days in Korea.

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