Mami3chan 7,210 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 i pretty much skipped the fillers.. when i first saw Sasuki's fight vs Åtsutsuki Kinshiki it was epic as hell, perhaps my favorite fight scene so far,. but ÅŒtsutsuki Momoshiki is just a joke i mean he's no fun just a wizard villain not a shinobi lol. nothing about him sounds like a shinobi, his fight vs naruto is like watching magical girls anime lol,. the chunin exams,. i liked Kakashi's exam cause its felt like watching something from naruto franchise, however the one vs one fights was another joke, in fact my favorite part was Boruto using the ninja tech weapon thing, why cheating is bad in a shinobi fight? i just don't get it, naruto himself win the majority of his fights using the power of a monster, he could have never win against neji without the kyuubi during the chunin exams so i find him hypocrite, he could have got captured by "Pain" if he didn't awaken the kyuubi when Hinata got hurt,. but non the less Boruto is still OP, the fact that he was involved in the kages vs ÅŒtsutsuki fight made me choke, if anyone remembers in the first season Jiriaya vs Itachi & Kisame fight when they came to kidnap naruto! and Jiraya telling naruto that he's still too weak to fight enemies that powerful.. but no in Boruto they took the kid to the battlefield against otsutsuki clan! as if we forget one member from that clan almost ended the shinobi's in "naruto shippuden" they made the most powerful clan look like a joke with having a kid in the battlefield not to mention he even throw the final punch to beat ÅŒtsutsuki Momoshiki ,. its just doesn't look like something from naruto franchise anymore .... i can't help but keep going back to watch the first and second seasons . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choochootrain 5 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I haven’t seen boruto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solana 1,974 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Boruto is a mess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f00l 684 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 it's the downgrade from Naruto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilDdalgi 8,710 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 he could have never win against neji without the kyuubi during the chunin exams so i find him hypocrite That's a silly argument. That's like saying the Uchiha's wouldn't be anything without their Sharingan, but the fact is that they do have the Sharingan. That's like saying the Hyuga's wouldn't be anything without the Byakugan, but the fact is that they do own it and the list goes. Naruto was always strong even without the Kyubi, but if you say that it's the Kyubi who made him strong than we are entering the "What If" Scenario. What if Naruto wouldn't have the Kyubi ? It would mean that Minato and Kushina would still be alive, both strong ninjas who potentially would have trained Naruto, which would make him potentially even stronger. It was him himself mastering the Forbidden Jutsu and it was him who mastered Rasengan so fast. Even without the Kyubi Naruto always had a large amount of chakra (because he is a Uzumaki) and in fact mastered strong techniques like the Sage Mode on his own and surpassed Jiraiya. In fact Orochimaru weakened Naruto's Chakra, which lead to him not being able to use his whole chakra against Neji in the first place (Jiraiya had to unseal the seal later for him to be able to control his chakra again). In conclusion, Naruto without Kyubi wouldn't have lost against Neji, because he would have been a different Naruto and still powerful. What Boruto did was something completely different. He used a weapon that didn't require skill, technique or chakra. Not comparable at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mami3chan 7,210 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) That's a silly argument. That's like saying the Uchiha's wouldn't be anything without their Sharingan, but the fact is that they do have the Sharingan. That's like saying the Hyuga's wouldn't be anything without the Byakugan, but the fact is that they do own it and the list goes. Naruto was always strong even without the Kyubi, but if you say that it's the Kyubi who made him strong than we are entering the "What If" Scenario. What if Naruto wouldn't have the Kyubi ? It would mean that Minato and Kushina would still be alive, both strong ninjas who potentially would have trained Naruto, which would make him potentially even stronger. It was him himself mastering the Forbidden Jutsu and it was him who mastered Rasengan so fast. Even without the Kyubi Naruto always had a large amount of chakra (because he is a Uzumaki) and in fact mastered strong techniques like the Sage Mode on his own and surpassed Jiraiya. In fact Orochimaru weakened Naruto's Chakra, which lead to him not being able to use his whole chakra against Neji in the first place (Jiraiya had to unseal the seal later for him to be able to control his chakra again). In conclusion, Naruto without Kyubi wouldn't have lost against Neji, because he would have been a different Naruto and still powerful. What Boruto did was something completely different. He used a weapon that didn't require skill, technique or chakra. Not comparable at all. Sharingan & Byakugan are not outside source of power they are 'kekkei genkai', kyuubi is an outside source of power and is a monster,. bijuu powers are not 'kekkei genkai',. also u say Boruto used a weapon that didn't require skill, technique or chakra, but that doesn't matter since its still an outside source of power just like the kyuubi only the method is different, my comparison is valid,. also when Pain beat hinata naruto awakened the kyubi power without using skill/technique so its no difference lol he calls the kyubi when he is out of choices,. even vs orochimaru ,. Edited September 19, 2018 by ღMamichan♡ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugifrogie 411 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The fight with momoshiki is better than in the movie--you have a Megazord fight on the moon... and they can breathe there. Boruto using ninja tools is still cheating tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugifrogie 411 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The fight with momoshiki is better than in the movie--you have a Megazord fight on the moon... and they can breathe there. Boruto using ninja tools is still cheating tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiku 883 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 They should make a series about Boruto's dad and Sasuke when they were younger, they're pretty badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
金彩媛 1,795 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 the anime is decent but the manga is horrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mami3chan 7,210 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) The fight with momoshiki is better than in the movie--you have a Megazord fight on the moon... and they can breathe there. Boruto using ninja tools is still cheating tho. i don't even like Boruto but why cheating is bad when they can cheat in the other exam just fine? also in a real fight cheating not cheating doesn't even matter,. like shikamaru using water Scroll against kakuzu ,. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Scroll anyway the tactical fighting era have died since naruto shippuden .. Edited September 19, 2018 by ღMamichan♡ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton'sApples 4,303 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I haven’t seen boruto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugifrogie 411 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 i don't even like Boruto but why cheating is bad when they can cheat in the other exam just fine? also in a real fight cheating not cheating doesn't even matter,. like shikamaru using water Scroll against kakuzu ,. anyway the tactical fighting era have died since naruto shippuden .. Well, it's an exam, not a real fight. They usually have rules. It's to test their capability in certain circumstance. Neji, Sasuke, and Naruto lived with their heritages (Byakugan, Sharingan, Kyuubi), and they couldn't choose to not. In real life, there are already issue about the ninja tools, and Konohamaru used it as a test. But the ninja scroll tool is kinda like a short-cut and could dangered natural way of ninja learning ninjutsu. In the manga, the scientist made another tool which was acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilDdalgi 8,710 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) Sharingan & Byakugan are not outside source of power they are 'kekkei genkai', kyuubi is an outside source of power and is a monster,. bijuu powers are not 'kekkei genkai',. also u say Boruto used a weapon that didn't require skill, technique or chakra, but that doesn't matter since its still an outside source of power just like the kyuubi only the method is different, my comparison is valid,. also when Pain beat hinata naruto awakened the kyubi power without using skill/technique so its no difference lol he calls the kyubi when he is out of choices,. even vs orochimaru ,. I know that the Kyubi is not a Kekken Genkai. My point is that Naruto's biggest strength was never the Kyuubi in the first place. Of course it is undeniable that Naruto was lucky to have the Kyuubi in some situations, but at the end he always won because of himself, not the Kyuubi. And again, if he wouldn't have the Kyuubi he would most likely have different strengths as the situation would have been much different for him with his parents being still alive. Kyuubi did not defeat Pain, Naruto did. Naruto actually won the fight when he snapped out of his rage because he was actually able to think properly, use his Sage Mode and his biggest strength the talk no jutsu. Kyuubi did not defeat Gaara, Naruto did. Kyuubi did not defeat Kakouzu, Naruto did, and the list goes on. The Kyuubi was a help, but also a curse because it supressed a lot of his own chakra that he had since he was a Uzumaki. So without the Kyuubi, he would have been able to use more of his own Chakra that would have been powerful as well instead relying on the Chakra of the Kyuubi. Pretty much everything Naruto is able to do is because of his own hard work, and that's it is not even comparable to what Boruto did. He was able to use Jutsus that he can't use, Naruto could never do that. He was able to use Elements that he can't use, Naruto could never do that, he was able to have an unlimited source of Chakra, Naruto could never do that (not even with Kyuubi). Naruto worked hard for his ablities, Boruto didn't. That's the difference. Also there is a difference between using forbidden tools inside an exam versus a real fight which decides between life and death. Edited September 19, 2018 by KrabbySana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mami3chan 7,210 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) I know that the Kyubi is not a Kekken Genkai. My point is that Naruto's biggest strength was never the Kyuubi in the first place. Of course it is undeniable that Naruto was lucky to have the Kyuubi in some situations, but at the end he always won because of himself, not the Kyuubi. And again, if he wouldn't have the Kyuubi he would most likely have different strengths as the situation would have been much different for him with his parents being still alive. Kyuubi did not defeat Pain, Naruto did. Naruto actually won the fight when he snapped out of his rage because he was actually able to think properly, use his Sage Mode and his biggest strength the talk no jutsu. Kyuubi did not defeat Gaara, Naruto did. Kyuubi did not defeat Kakouzu, Naruto did, and the list goes on. The Kyuubi was a help, but also a curse because it supressed a lot of his own chakra that he had since he was a Uzumaki. So without the Kyuubi, he would have been able to use more of his own Chakra that would have been powerful as well instead relying on the Chakra of the Kyuubi. Pretty much everything Naruto is able to do is because of his own hard work, and that's it is not even comparable to what Boruto did. He was able to use Jutsus that he can't use, Naruto could never do that. He was able to use Elements that he can't use, Naruto could never do that, he was able to have an unlimited source of Chakra, Naruto could never do that (not even with Kyuubi). Naruto worked hard for his ablities, Boruto didn't. That's the difference. oh come on, without the kyubi naruto could have got captured by 'Pain' when he was on the ground before Hinata gets involved, as simple as that,. and you talk about have different strengths, you are just making things up and just being imaginary,. i am not making things up i am talking about stuff that actually happened in the anime,. like shikamaru using water Scroll against kakuzu. u can't deny his use for the kyubi power, how can you even say Kyubi is not he's biggest strength when Kyubi was his go to choice vs Ōtsutsuki Momoshiki!! and the whole 'Kurama Mode' thing as much as i like naruto but lets not be delulu here,. Edited September 19, 2018 by ღMamichan♡ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilDdalgi 8,710 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 without the kyubi naruto could have got captured by 'Pain' when he was on the ground before Hinata gets involved, as simple as that,. This whole thing is already the point that doesn't make any sense in your arguments, because you keep assuming that Naruto would be weaker without the Kyuubi. You don't seem to realize how much different the circumstances would have been if Naruto wouldn't have the Kyuubi. Naruto's whole life would have been different, we don't know how much he would have trained (he could have been stronger or weaker), we don't know if he still would want to become a Hokage, we don't know if he would even fight Pain as Pain wouldn't attack Konoha without the Kyuubi and so on. Assuming situations doesn't make sense as the Kyuubi had a large influence on the whole story and motivation. The fact is, that Naruto does have the Kyuubi, which did help him out, but not that much to take it to the point of saying it's cheating as majority of his achievements were all thanks to his own abilities. Everything else I said was stated in the Manga and are not imaginery, unlike imagining a scenario where Naruto wouldn't have the Kyuubi. -Naruto had 4 Times the Chakra that Kakashi did, a Jonin and that without the Kyuubi. -Shikamaru used the Water Scroll against Kakouzu. Okay. So what ? There is still a difference between using it in a real fight versus using it in an exam where you have to prove your own strength and ability. To give you an analogy, you are not allowed to cheat during an exam, but no one will say anything if you do that at home (not the best but u will get the point). Boruto's situation is vastly different and definitely is cheating. and Naruto did defeat Kankouzu because of his Rasen Shuriken, his own ablitiy. Even if you insist of saying that Naruto's Kyuubi is "cheating", there is no real "fair" fight in the first place. Because people being from certain bloodlines gives them an unfair advantage. People having Sharingan or Byakugans is "unfair". Kiba using Akamaru is "unfair". Kankuro has puppets, Tenten has weapons and so on. Just like Neji and Sasuke were born with this ability, Naruto was also literally born with the Kyuubi. Ultimately Neji lost because he was over confident and arrogant. Naruto also didn't lose control over himself but used the Kyuubi's Chakra which alone is already impressive as the Third Hokage said during the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mami3chan 7,210 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) This whole thing is already the point that doesn't make any sense in your arguments, because you keep assuming that Naruto would be weaker without the Kyuubi Naruto is weaker without the kyubi and thats a fact, This whole thing is already the point that doesn't make any sense in your arguments, because you keep assuming that Naruto would be weaker without the Kyuubi. You don't seem to realize how much different the circumstances would have been if Naruto wouldn't have the Kyuubi. Naruto's whole life would have been different, we don't know how much he would have trained (he could have been stronger or weaker), we don't know if he still would want to become a Hokage, we don't know if he would even fight Pain as Pain wouldn't attack Konoha without the Kyuubi and so on. Assuming situations doesn't make sense as the Kyuubi had a large influence on the whole story and motivation. see here you are making things up, sorry but you are not the writer of this manga/anime what you are saying is useless, The fact is, that Naruto does have the Kyuubi, which did help him out, but not that much to take it to the point of saying it's cheating as majority of his achievements were all thanks to his own abilities. Everything else I said was stated in the Manga and are not imaginery, unlike imagining a scenario where Naruto wouldn't have the Kyuubi. the majority of his achievements were all thanks to him and the kyubi as well,. -Shikamaru used the Water Scroll against Kakouzu. Okay. So what ? There is still a difference between using it in a real fight versus using it in an exam where you have to prove your own strength and ability. To give you an analogy, you are not allowed to cheat during an exam, but no one will say anything if you do that at home (not the best but u will get the point). Boruto's situation is vastly different and definitely is cheating. and Naruto did defeat Kankouzu because of his Rasen Shuriken, his own ablitiy. they all cheated during the paper/writing exam,. Even if you insist of saying that Naruto's Kyuubi is "cheating", there is no real "fair" fight in the first place. Because people being from certain bloodlines gives them an unfair advantage. People having Sharingan or Byakugans is "unfair". Kiba using Akamaru is "unfair". Kankuro has puppets, Tenten has weapons and so on. Just like Neji and Sasuke were born with this ability, Naruto was also literally born with the Kyuubi. there you said it, case closed.. Ultimately Neji lost because he was over confident and arrogant. Naruto also didn't lose control over himself but used the Kyuubi's Chakra which alone is already impressive as the Third Hokage said during the scene. he still beat Neji using the power of Kyubi regardless ,.. Edited September 19, 2018 by ღMamichan♡ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilDdalgi 8,710 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) Naruto is weaker without the kyubi and thats a fact, *sigh* see here you are making things up, sorry but you are not the writer of this manga/anime what you are saying is useless, But why is saying that Naruto would have lost without the Kyuubi not making things up ? That's also just a statement with nothing to back it of, as the whole Naruto Story would have been different. 100% and you know it. We don't know how strong he would have been without Kyuubi. they all cheated during the paper/writing exam,. It was literally the point of that exam to do that. Ibiki literally wanted to see the students information gathering skills as the questions were way too hard for Genins. he still beat Neji using the power of Kyubi regardless ,.. And Neji lost using the Byakugan powers. The point is, these are still abilties that require their own skills and power, Borutos case didn't. Naruto being able to handle the Kyuubis Chakra on his own required training. Edited September 19, 2018 by KrabbySana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mami3chan 7,210 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 But why is saying that Naruto would have lost without the Kyuubi not making things up ? cause "without the kyubi naruto could have got captured by 'Pain'.. and vs neji he was out of chakra, kyubi gave him chakra,. It was literally the point of that exam to do that. Ibiki literally wanted to see the students information gathering skills as the questions were way too hard for Genins. its still cheating regardless,. And Neji lost using the Byakugan powers. The point is, these are still abilties that require their own skills and power, Borutos case didn't. Naruto being able to handle the Kyuubis Chakra on his own required training. it's still an outside source of power not 'kekkei genkai' it does require skills/techniques to control it but the likes of Neji & even Sasuki are known for their hard work & training from the beginning, it takes a lot more hard work to master Sharingan & Byakugan abilities, its not even comparable to jinchuriki, cause a bijuu is already OP, the kekkei genkai shinobi's have to work from 0 all the way up, like from Sharingan to mangekyou sharingan, meanwhile a kyubi jinchuriki can go from 1 tail to 8/9 tails without using any technique or skill,. remember he couldn't control the 6tails vs 'Pain' and when he was about to reach 9 tails he couldn't control it, it was he's father "Minato'' who stop it, 'Pain' was winning the battle,. it's never been a one man show, there's no perfect shinobi, all of them have strong points and weaknesses, and that's what i liked about naruto himself is the fact that he's not OP, he's not the "one punch man" obviously lol if i wanna go off script and make things up then yeah i would have loved to see naruto completely getting rid of the kyubi and just focused on upgrading the sage mode and master more wind techniques etc,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
乃木� 42 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Boruto is a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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