My take on this Bighit x Akimoto mess

[Kukkungie]

I haven't been on onehallyu in ages, but I need to express my opinions on this shit somewhere and here seems a good place to get my arse burned by some overly sensitive fans ;D

 

Anyway my whole take on this situation is that I'm so damn DISAPPOINTED. I see I-armys actually saying 'yes K-armys were correct for the way they blew this shit out of proportion'. How are you going to, for sake of saving face as a fandom, admit that overtly nationalistic and toxic behaviour is ever okay? After all the effort in America to make BTS 'global', PD Bang wanted to rightly take on the NEXT LARGEST music industry in the world; Japan. How is his approach a 'shame' on korean identity. Don't give me everything that happened in the past, because that isn't relevant to TODAY, or the FUTURE. Japan can have a plethora korean idols working there, so wtf is it with your korean identity which is so much more precious?
 

IDC about the GP or any of that shit. I care that these armys had the straight NERVE to shit on PD Bang when he's really what has made these boys. Talent is great yes, but any other company wouldn't have been able to do with BTS what Bighit has achieved. Dont tell me Bighit didnt make these boys.

 

Don't tell me K-armys were responding in the best interests of BTS because we all know that aint true either. They have the nerve to call Akimoto 'right wing' whilst spewing xenophobic, homophobic, conservative shit ALL THE TIME. He's never claimed to be right wing, he's simply associated to them (which if you want to be upwardly mobile in a conservative country, what do you expect?).

 

My biggest problem with all of this is it was never about the producer. K-armys lying through their teeth saying 'akimoto' was the problem. TRUST ON THIS: get any other japanese producer and they would made just as big a shit out of it. Just admit you're overly patriotic and petty and go. 

 

TLDR: I'm disappointed. If you're an I-army and you're going to come to me with 'faxx' on why my stance is wrong then gtfo. This is my OPINION. 

[Marshmallows]

I think we should just leave this behind.

I still feel bad for J armys tho

[Comfrey]

Most I-Army have been against K-Army though and know it was blown way out of proportion BUT in also saying that we aren't Korean so we can't understand the political nuance of this. There are thousands of upvotes on comments on articles dissing Akimoto so there is something there in terms of Korean fans and Korean-Japanese history, what it is we don't know. It's xenophobic but we as i-fans can't do that much.

 

However some under the circumstances do understand why BigHit decided to cancel the song. We don't like it or think it's right but K-Army are very vocal about this so it was probably the best decision for BTS and their fandom in Korea.

[Kukkungie]

I think we should just leave this behind.

I still feel bad for J armys tho

I hope armys don't just hide this under the rug in future and are more appreciative of the power they have. Armys great when everyone's banding together to make a positive change, or achievement but this was really more an abuse of power. Youre a huge fandom, own that and be appreciative of that. When you make mess like this, you don't think this will rub japan the wrong way? and over something so baseless, without evidence? 

 

Anyway feel free to call me a hater, I expect that from some armys after the blatant complacency with k-armys.

Here's all the love and support to j-armys and I-armys who supported them through all this shi.

[Kukkungie]

Most I-Army have been against K-Army though and know it was blown way out of proportion BUT in also saying that we aren't Korean so we can't understand the political nuance of this. There are thousands of upvotes on comments on articles dissing Akimoto so there is something there in terms of Korean fans and Korean-Japanese history, what it is we don't know. It's xenophobic but we as i-fans can't do that much.

 

However some under the circumstances do understand why BigHit decided to cancel the song. We don't like it or think it's right but K-Army are very vocal about this so it was probably the best decision for BTS and their fandom in Korea.

I agree with this a lot. Its a fair point saying we don't understand the implications of this because of their culture, history and the way its shaped their society today. But then again, there's nothing to understand when the approach is so overly xenophobic and based on falsities. I understand too why they cancelled it in the end, & here's hoping more armys are like yourself. 

 

Anyway I need to go study LOL. I'll reply to comments sometimes tmo.

[tide]

 

He's never claimed to be right wing, he's simply associated to them (which if you want to be upwardly mobile in a conservative country, what do you expect?).

 

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[Gaudy]

My biggest problem with the situation was the xenophobic attitude regarding how i-fans, who are seriously just people, shouldn't worry about the issue because they're not Korean. Why try and hide, instead of educate based on where someone was born? It's idiotic, and it gets worse when other fans tell them not to speak based on where they were born. They cannot change that, and their voice still MATTERS. 

[sasha]

if it's alright for Akimoto to make nice with people supporting questionable right-wing politics, then it's alright for BigHit to cancel the release of one song to avoid the backlash from people vehemently not supporting said politics. what exactly appears to be a problem? 

[Upstarter]

I haven't been on onehallyu in ages, but I need to express my opinions on this shit somewhere and here seems a good place to get my arse burned by some overly sensitive fans ;D

 

If you don’t want fans coming at you then keep your nose out of issues that neither involves your faves nor your fandom.

 

Anyway my whole take on this situation is that I'm so damn DISAPPOINTED.

 

Again…It doesn’t look like you are an army so I don’t know what you were expecting from a group you don’t stan to be disappointed.

 

How are you going to, for sake of saving face as a fandom, admit that overtly nationalistic and toxic behaviour is ever okay?

 

I am not defending the Karmys.But everyone here would unanimously agree how nationalistic and anti-Japan most of Korean GP is so Karmys were not necessarily exhibiting that behavior but were actually shielding BTS and BH from such potential backlash from the GP which would have definitely ensued. And to all those who are saying it’s the fans themselves who were overblowing the situation, What do you want them to do? Wait until the song is released and then try defending them when they will forever be tied to AK.

 

 Karmys know the hate BTS have gotten and continues to get online from antis. The only reason there is less right now is the GP sees the international exposure BTS has been getting and the positive coverage of Korea and so right now they have the goodwill of the GP.You know what will ruin it- being associated with an alleged Japanese right winger. You think the GP is gonna verify information and check for lyric translation. Nope- Tablo was involved in a witchhunt for years due to one individual writing on the net claiming his standford degree is a lie. Tablo had to endure years of blames and ridicule and it was on him to prove that it was baseless allegation. Even Stanford University  had to get involved. So on the net esp in Korea you are guilty until proven otherwise.

 

Just recently with the military exemption issue when both BH and BTS were not even directly involved they were still dragged-it just takes a group of troublemakers online to sway the public’s sentiments and opinions.

 

 

And don’t act like I-armys were not themselves hating on the Chainsmokers, Charlie Puth, and even recently Nicki Minaj collabs. Even recently some were hating on Jimin for saying Chris Brown as his fave. So no one can act high and mighty. This is a very /historically/ culturally as well as politically sensitive issue.

 

Don't give me everything that happened in the past, because that isn't relevant to TODAY, or the FUTURE.

 

What are your views on African American Slavery and Holocaust? You hold the same views on those issues as well. Don’t speak on issues that you have no understanding of culturally, historically and politically.

 

That’s not to say I am taking sides-I am not because I can never pretend to understand a part of culture and history that I am not a part of. So I don’t go around making judgements of absolute truths when it’s too complicated and sensitive.

[Dupladé]

Tbh I think it might be for the best BH stepped back BUT no one can persuade me K-Armys did it solely for BTS. Nah, they just hate Japenese people and J Armys -it wouldn't be the first time they are trying to mess with them-, they found this opportunity to take something away from them and went with it. That is what's bothering me, you know. So who is stopping them next time if they decide to gang up on I-Army or one of the members? Idk man..

[cantnobody-]

My biggest problem with the situation was the xenophobic attitude regarding how i-fans, who are seriously just people, shouldn't worry about the issue because they're not Korean. Why try and hide, instead of educate based on where someone was born? It's idiotic, and it gets worse when other fans tell them not to speak based on where they were born. They cannot change that, and their voice still MATTERS. 

 

nobody said that i-fans shouldn't worry, most of us just said that i-army shouldn't butt in since most people aren't educated on korea - japan issues and all they did was spew insults and come up with ridiculous theories.

 

as a european it's the same issue i have with americans  speaking about european issues, sure they have a right to do it but they sound like dumbasses 90% of time.

 

(i'm sick of this topic already...)

[rejeshrimp]

I'm tired of this topic but tbh I think a large part of ifans don't quite understand what went down due to evident language barriers, your only sources pretty much being PANN+NB who of course love milking these situations.

 

I think it's a situation that would definitely depend on your cultural background and upbringing, though. I feel it's somewhat comparable to ifans complaining if they collab with a problematic artist in the west.

 

The only difference was kfans have an easier reach, and as is, most groups - BTS not being an exception - would generally value them being liked in their own nation and locally over being internationally liked yet criticised locally.

[Gaudy]

nobody said that i-fans shouldn't worry, most of us just said that i-army shouldn't butt in since most people aren't educated on korea - japan issues and all they did was spew insults and come up with ridiculous theories.

 

as a european it's the same issue i have with americans  speaking about european issues, sure they have a right to do it but they sound like dumbasses 90% of time.

 

(i'm sick of this topic already...)

Regardless, that doesn’t negate the fact their voice still counts. Regarding if it irritates you, I’m sure you can figure that out personally as I have no issue hearing people of other nationality discussing American politics. At the end of the day, people DID tell I-fans they shouldn’t worry, and that notion alone is damaging because instead of educating, you’re pushing someone away because it’s conevient. (My statement of I-fans also goes to the c-fans whose ancestors were also terribly effected, being pushed away as well.)