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I wanted to start a thread on this to set a sense of proportion for ppl who pretend to think that even huge acts can play to crowds of XXXXXX in every country they visit. >.>  To start off, I'll just list where b.a.p has gone (and note if any other acts I know happened to use the same venues as well as other venues in the same cities I know other acts have used... if I feel like it).

 

Ignore SMTown/YGFam/etc as well as Japan, because everyone tours in Japan and there are too many venues.

 

South Korea

~Seoul Olympic Park Hall 4000 (the starter domestic venue for a lot of acts)

~SK Olympic Handball Gymnasium 7000 (the next step up domestic venue for a lot of acts but B1A4's starter venue)

(after these come Olympic Gymnastics Arena 15000, which is what all the current huge (or simply big) acts use, as the last individual act to use the Olympics Stadium 72000 seems to have been JYJ in 2010.  There might be one in between the Arena and the Stadium but if it exists, Big Bang's not using it, and if Big Bang's not using it, then... it probably doesn't exist?)

 

USA

New York

~Best Buy Theater 2100 (Teen Top also)

(other choices in NYC I know of: Hammerstein Ballroom 3500? (Infinite), NYCB Theatre at Westbury 3000 (Block B); YG acts seem to go for NJ venues #justiceforjersey)

Washington DC

~Warner Theatre 1847

(Infinite also pretended to go to Washington DC)

"Chicago" (Merrilleville, IN)

~Star Plaza Theatre 3400

(other acts I know has been to Chicago: Boyfriend)

Dallas

~Verizon Theatre at Grand Prairie 6350 (the only venue for kpop in TX, maybe? >.>;;;)

San Francisco

~Warfield Theater 2300

Los Angeles

~Club Nokia 2300

~Nokia Theatre LA Live 7100 (I think most acts that go to LA use one of these, depending)

 

UK

~Brixton Academy (London) 5000

 

France

~Le Zenith (Paris) 6300 (SuJu also used this?)

 

Germany
~Mitsubishi Electric Halle (Dusseldorf) 7500

 

Australia

~Festival Hall (Melbourne) 5445

~Luna Park Sydney Big Top (Sydney) 3000

 

Taiwan

~Nangang 101 (Taipei) 3000 (Teen Top also)

 

HongKong

~Starr Hall ????

(AsiaWorld-Arena 8000 (infinite))
 

 

Singapore

~The Star Theatre 5000

(Singapore Indoor Stadium 4000 (Infinite))

 

 

Thailand

~Siam Paragon Royal Paragon Hall 2-3 (Bangkok) 5000 (I think this is one of those venues where you can open up more or less seating, but 5k is the max and probably not what b.a.p is actually aiming for)

(Thunderdome Stadium 4500 (Infinite))

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I wanted to start a thread on this to set a sense of proportion for ppl who pretend to think that even huge acts can play to crowds of XXXXXX in every country they visit. >.>  To start off, I'll just list where b.a.p has gone (and note if any other acts I know happened to use the same venues as well as other venues in the same cities I know other acts have used... if I feel like it).

 

Ignore SMTown/YGFam/etc as well as Japan, because everyone tours in Japan and there are too many venues.

 

South Korea

~Seoul Olympic Park Hall 4000 (the starter domestic venue for a lot of acts)

~SK Olympic Handball Gymnasium 7000 (the next step up domestic venue for a lot of acts but B1A4's starter venue)

(after these come Olympic Gymnastics Arena 15000, which is what all the current huge (or simply big) acts use, as the last individual act to use the Olympics Stadium 72000 seems to have been JYJ in 2010.  There might be one in between the Arena and the Stadium but if it exists, Big Bang's not using it, and if Big Bang's not using it, then... it probably doesn't exist?)

 

USA

New York

~Best Buy Theater 2100 (Teen Top also)

(other choices in NYC I know of: Hammerstein Ballroom 3500? (Infinite), NYCB Theatre at Westbury 3000 (Block B); YG acts seem to go for NJ venues #justiceforjersey)

Washington DC

~Warner Theatre 1847

(Infinite also pretended to go to Washington DC)

"Chicago" (Merrilleville, IN)

~Star Plaza Theatre 3400

(other acts I know has been to Chicago: Boyfriend)

Dallas

~Verizon Theatre at Grand Prairie 6350 (the only venue for kpop in TX, maybe? >.>;;;)

San Francisco

~Warfield Theater 2300

Los Angeles

~Club Nokia 2300

~Nokia Theatre LA Live 7100 (I think most acts that go to LA use one of these, depending)

 

UK

~Brixton Academy (London) 5000

 

France

~Le Zenith (Paris) 6300 (SuJu also used this?)

 

Germany

~Mitsubishi Electric Halle (Dusseldorf) 7500

 

Australia

~Festival Hall (Melbourne) 5445

~Luna Park Sydney Big Top (Sydney) 3000

 

 

 

Taiwan

~Nangang 101 (Taipei) 3000 (Teen Top also)

 

HongKong

~Starr Hall ????

(AsiaWorld-Arena 8000 (infinite))

 

 

Singapore

~The Star Theatre 5000

(Singapore Indoor Stadium 4000 (Infinite))

 

 

Thailand

~Siam Paragon Royal Paragon Hall 2-3 (Bangkok) 5000 (I think this is one of those venues where you can open up more or less seating, but 5k is the max and probably not what b.a.p is actually aiming for)

(Thunderdome Stadium 4500 (Infinite))

Ooo, I like this thread!

 

Btw op, don't forget Madison Square Garden. SMTOWN booked in 2011. They booked the main venue and YG booked the MSG theatre back in 2005 or 2006 I think...

 

Big Bang and 2NE1 also booked the Prudential Center in Newark, NJ.

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In Seoul it's either small unnamed venues (<3k capacity), the Olympic Hall (4~7k), Jamsil Indoor Stadium (7~10k), Olympic Arena (10-13k) or football stadiums/Olympic Stadium (max 72k).

 

Here's Big Bang's venues w/ tickets sold for every location: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_Alive_Galaxy_Tour_2012 

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Malaysia

Stadium Merdeka - Big Bang (18,000) < According to the MC that day, the concert was the biggest in this stadium since Michael Jackson's.  :datass: 

Bukit Jalil Putra Indoor Stadium - Super Junior SS5 (14,000)

Stadium Negara - Infinite (5,000) / 2NE1 (4,000) / 2PM (?) / Wonder Girls (?) / CNBlue (?)

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I wanted to start a thread on this to set a sense of proportion for ppl who pretend to think that even huge acts can play to crowds of XXXXXX in every country they visit. >.>  To start off, I'll just list where b.a.p has gone (and note if any other acts I know happened to use the same venues as well as other venues in the same cities I know other acts have used... if I feel like it).

 

Ignore SMTown/YGFam/etc as well as Japan, because everyone tours in Japan and there are too many venues.

 

 

Thailand

~Siam Paragon Royal Paragon Hall 2-3 (Bangkok) 5000 (I think this is one of those venues where you can open up more or less seating, but 5k is the max and probably not what b.a.p is actually aiming for)

(Thunderdome Stadium 4500 (Infinite))

the info regarding thailand doesn't seems right.

the most popular venue is Impact Arena Muangthong Thani 

http://www.impact.co.th/index.php/facilities/impactarena/en

11,000 seats but only half of that available for concert. so about 5,000 seats excluding standing space.

 

the less popular are Challenger Hall Muangthong Thani

http://www.impact.co.th/index.php/facilities/impactchallenger/en

Challenger Hall consist of 3 mini halls, 20,000 sq. meters each which can be interconnected.

 

Thunder Dome Muangthong Thani

http://www.impact.co.th/insight/news_detail.php?news_id=276#9

 

and Rajamangala Stadium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajamangala_Stadium

49,722 seats but used only half or less in a concert. so, about 20,000 seats excluding standing space.

 

 

p.s. i don't think B.A.P will make it. Taylor Swift has just cancelled her concert.

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Ooo, I like this thread!

 

Btw op, don't forget Madison Square Garden. SMTOWN booked in 2011. They booked the main venue and YG booked the MSG theatre back in 2005 or 2006 I think...

 

Big Bang and 2NE1 also booked the Prudential Center in Newark, NJ.

Oh, I didn't mean for my post to be comprehensive, since I don't know if I have the fortitude for it. XD;;;  That's why I said I was just listing where b.a.p has gone, since they have at least gone to an almost decent number of places, and threw in some other info I'm aware of.  (I was also ignoring the company concerts because they're on a different scale from individual acts, but it doesn't really confuse anything to have them here too.)

 

the info regarding thailand doesn't seems right.

the most popular venue is Impact Arena Muangthong Thani 

http://www.impact.co.th/index.php/facilities/impactarena/en

11,000 seats but only half of that available for concert. so about 5,000 seats excluding standing space.

 

the less popular are Challenger Hall Muangthong Thani

http://www.impact.co.th/index.php/facilities/impactchallenger/en

Challenger Hall consist of 3 mini halls, 20,000 sq. meters each which can be interconnected.

 

and Rajamangala Stadium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajamangala_Stadium

49,722 seats but used only half or less in a concert. so, about 20,000 seats excluding standing space.

 

p.s. i don't think B.A.P will make it. Taylor Swift has just cancelled her concert.

Like I said, it's not meant to be comprehensive, it's really just b.a.p I threw up there, and I happened to be looking at Infinite as well; I was hoping others would fill in the blanks and add other countries (as ppl have done).

 

These are venues that kpop groups have used?

 

(Yeah, it's scheduled for end of June, but whoops! martial law and curfews!  So who knows.... ._.)

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Teen Top is the only kpop group that performed in my country. They held a concert in a hall that's big enough for 3,000 people but there were only about 1,000 people at the concert.

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Sweden, though not really concert but a showcase and a fanbash

 

VIXX - Oscarsteatern (Stockholm) capacity 905

 

4minute - Debaser Medis (Stockholm) capacity 850-950 (different sites say different things)

 

The tickets for VIXX got sold out pretty quickly so I think they could have used a larger venue but idk if 4minute sold out their fanbash.

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I wanted to start a thread on this to set a sense of proportion for ppl who pretend to think that even huge acts can play to crowds of XXXXXX in every country they visit. >.>

 

Do you want some real answers, or just the bullshit versions normally found?

Because normally, people are way too dumb/lazy to actually find some proper info (and that includes journalists writing articles), and often the kpop agencies may also help spread complete bullshit info.

 

Here is some real info on how it is in reality.

 

To understand how bullshit most "capacity" numbers thrown around by others are, start with reading about Malaysia below:

 

 

In Malaysia,

 

 

Most kpop acts hold their concerts in Stadium Negara, which officially have a max capacity of 10,000.

But as I explained in the following quote, the actual capacity during those concerts is more like max 5,000:

 

 

 

You can't actually have 7,000-8,000 in that arena (unless you sell seats that can't see the stage at all).

 

It's the same as when I've told people that the biggest indoor arena in Seoul can't have 14,000 for a concert (more like absolute max 10,000 and usually just 7-8,000 - not 14,000).

 

These arenas are completely circular arenas. So when you put in a stage, you have to close down a HUGE part of the arena because those seats wouldn't see the stage. You basically have to close down almost half the arena. Like this:

 

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Basically,

2NE1, CNBLUE, 2PM and INFINITE had similar sized concert in that venue.

 

SUPER JUNIOR held their Malaysia concert in the bigger Putra Indoor arena.

BIGBANG held their Malaysia concert outdoors at a football stadium (a rather small football stadium tho).

 

 

 

 

 

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In Korea,

 

 

 

I listed the relevant arenas the other day:

 

 

These are the relevant stadiums/arenas in Korea:

 

 

In Sangnam:

World Cup stadium. This is a huge outdoor football stadium, built for the football world cup, with about 60,000 max capacity. This is where dream concert is held nowadays. Some other concerts too, like Psy in 2013 (but the stadium was really quite empty during that, the venue was too big).

 

At Jamsil sports complex:

Olympic Stadium. This is a huge outdoor stadium built for the olympics (for track & fields and football etc), with like 80,000 capacity. Very few concerts are held there. But for example SMTOWN is usually held there, but concerts there are never really sold out.

Secondary Stadium. This isn't really a stadium. It's basically just a second football field (outdoors) with some tiny stands. You can fill this field with like 30,000 people. Psy held his 2012 concert here. GOD is going to hold their upcoming concert here.

Baseball stadium. Sometimes people do outdoor concerts there too in the summer.

Jamsil indoor arena. This is the 2nd biggest indoor arena in Korea. For a concert you could fit like 7,000. JYP's artist often use this arena (2PM, Wonder girls). T-ara was going to hold a concert here before their scandal.

 

At Olympic Park complex:

Gymnastics arena (also called "Gymnasium I")(built for gymnastics during the olympics). This is the biggest indoor arena in Seoul. Depending on how big stage you have and how bad sight seats you sell, the capacity for a concert is going to be somewhere between 7,000 to 10,000.

Handball arena (also called "Gymnasium II" or fencing arena) (originally built for fencing during the olympics, now used for handball). You could probably fit in upwards 6,000 for a concert.

Olympic Hall. This is not a sports arena, it was built after the olympics and is a concert hall. Max capacity is like 3,000-3,500.

Lots of concerts are held in these 3 indoor venues. It's really the primary place where kpop acts hold concerts. The biggest groups will of course use the gymnastics arena.

 

 

In addition to this, concerts are also often hold in places like exhibition halls and various halls at universities.

There may also be outdoor concerts held at other football stadiums, such as in Incheon or in Busan etc.

 

 

And as you can imagine, in bad English news reports is often mistranslated or just incorrectly stated where the concerts are held... Because terms such as "Olympic Stadium", "Olympic Park", "Olympic Hall" and "Olympic Gymnasium" are always mixed up and reported wrong, and furthermore "Jamsil stadium" can often be incorrectly used to referr to any of the 4 venues at the Jamsil complex...

 

Note that all 3 of Olympic Gymnastics Arena, Olympic Fencing arena, and Jamsil indoor arena are circular arenas. Which means that they are really bad for concerts and lot of seats has to be closed down.

 

It's true that JYJ held concerts at the Olympic Stadium, the audience quoted by their fans is complete bullshit. They had somewhere around 20-25,000 per concert (2 concerts).

 

Lee Moon Sae (legandary Korean artist) on the other hand actually held a huge concert on the Olympic Stadium in 2013. And Lady Gaga (and Michael Jackson in the past) have also held huge concerts there.

 

 

 

 

In Japan,

 

 

 

 

The following quote is the breakdown of realistic numbers for SNSD's ongoing 3rd Japan tour (17 concerts in 7 different arenas):

 

 

 

For comparison, the number of tickets in the different regions in Japan are approximately like this:

Saitama + Yoyogi = about 2x16,000 + 3x13,000 = 71,000 tickets in a region with a population of about 36 million.

Osaka + Kobe = about 3x11,000 + 3x7,000 = 54,000 tickets in a region with a population of about 19 million.

Nagoya = about 2x7,500 = 15,000 tickets in a region with a population of about 9 million.

Fukuoka = about 2x10,500 = 21,000 tickets in a region with a population of about 5.5 million.

Hiroshima = about 2x7,500 = 15,000 tickets in a region with a population of about 2 million.

 

So obviously Hiroshima tickets are going to be by far the easiest/cheapest to get tickets for.

 

The huge indoor arena in Saitama has retractable walls.

It's possible to expand it to a stadium with 30,000 capacity for a concert. Examples: TVXQ 2013, TVXQ 2012, YGFAMILY 2012, SHINee 2013.

Most concerts will have it in arena mode with about 16-18,000 capacity. Examples: TVXQ 2009, SNSD 2011, SNSD 2013, KARA 2012, BIGBANG 2012, CNBLUE 2012, EXO fanmeet 2014.

Many will also actually have the entire second level closed, so then capacity is only like 11,000. Examples: TVXQ 2008, KARA 2013, 2NE1 2012, BEAST 2012, JYPNATION 2011.

 

There are lots of other arenas and halls in Japan, such as:

Yokohama Arena (about 12,000 capacity)

Exhibition halls in Niigata and Chiba (I really don't know capacity).

Sports arenas in cities like Sendai, Sapporo, Fukui, Miyagi. And in Osaka there is also Osaka Prefectural Gymnasium. But all these places are quite small. Not more than about 7,000 maximum for concerts in these places.

 

Then there is of course the domes. But you can't actually have 50,000 per dome. Only Tokyo Dome is that big. The others are smaller (also, note that Seibu Dome is located in Tokyo, so there is not really any legit reason to hold a concert there instead of in Tokyo Dome).

 

There are also a bunch of outdoor places, such as football stadiums and outdoor baseball stadiums.

(note: Yokohama Stadium = outdoor baseball stadium. Yokohama Arena = indoor arena. Yokohama International Stadium = the huge outdoor fooball stadium)

 

Then there are lots and lots of small concert halls. Such as for example the ZEPP arena. Most of them have max capacities around 1,500-3,000.

 

 

 

 

 

In Hong Kong,

The #1 place is Asia-world Arena. It is possible to have up to 12,000 for a concert, but with a big stage the max will be like 11,000. The only kpop acts who pull that off tho is BIGBANG, SNSD and SUJU (all of which have done multiple day concerts in the past). EXO seem to almost do it.

Most kpop acts performing in the arena will not have the stage all the way out at one end, they will move the stage and close it down so that max capacity might be like 8,000. (and then they will struggle to sell it out).

The second place would be the exhibition halls at Asia-World expo. Hall 8 & Hall 10 can be combined into one to get) about 5,000 audience at a concert. Miss A held their concert here in such a combined hall. 4Minute on the other hand used one hall.

There are also exhibition halls at Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre.

And some other smaller places like the Star hall at the Kowloonbay International Trade & Exhibition Centre where max capacity is about 3,000. (for example Sistar held concert there)

 

In Macau,

Cotai Arena is a big arena much like the Hong Kong Asiaworld Expo. You can have 10,000+ in that arena, but kpop acts can't sell that many tickets in Macau. The only kpop acts who have held concerts here are SNSD and SUJU, but they had the arena set up a bit smaller (maybe 8,000?). (edit: 2PM did a concert too)

 

In Singapore,

Singapore Indoor Arena has a maximum capacity of about 7,000 during a concert with a normal stage. Plenty of kpop acts have held concerts here.

 

In Taiwan,

Taipei Arena is actually really large for concerts, because the short end of that arena is very very high so the capacity is great. For a normal concert with an end-stage, the max capacity is about 11,000. Acts like SUJU, SNSD, BIGBANG have held multi-day concerts in that arena.

Large indoor concerts can also be held in Nangang Exhibition Hall, where I think you can get 10-11,000 max capacity for a concert.

But the #2 place kpop acts go to seems to be Xinzhuang Gymnasium, which is a sports arena. I don't know how big. Maybe like 6,000?

 

 

In China,

There are lots of arenas. The bigger ones used by kpop is for example the Mercedes-Benz Arena in Shanghai with about 11,000 max capacity for a concert. Mastercard Center in Beijing should be about the same.

 

In the Philippines,

Mall of Asia arena is a very big indoor arena. Upwards 13,000 capacity during a concert is possible.

 

In Thailand,

Impact Arena has a maximum capacity of approximately 11,000 for a concert, but it would probably not be more than 10,000 due to stage designs for most concerts. (contrary to what bzz have said above, that is actually the concert capacity here because this arena is not a sports arena: there are no seats on one of the short ends so very little seats have to be closed down.

 

In Indonesia,

The big place is Mata Elang International Stadium which is indoors and have about 13,000 capacity for a concert (it really depends a lot on how much people you pack into the big mosh-pit standing area)

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Do you want some real answers, or just the bullshit versions normally found?

Because normally, people are way too dumb/lazy to actually find some proper info (and that includes journalists writing articles), and often the kpop agencies may also help spread complete bullshit info.

 

Here is some real info on how it is in reality.

I knew I could count on dmn-oppa~

 

Although part of it was that imagine some ppl here know more or less what groups have gone to their countries and held concerts, and whether the venues looked full or anything.

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In Thailand,

Impact Arena has a maximum capacity of approximately 11,000 for a concert, but it would probably not be more than 10,000 due to stage designs for most concerts. (contrary to what bzz have said above, that is actually the concert capacity here because this arena is not a sports arena: there are no seats on one of the short ends so very little seats have to be closed down.

yeah, i forgot that Impact Arena doesn't has a seat row on a side. to say it's isn't a sport arena isn't so correct though. it's designed to be a multifunctional arena. sometimes sport events held here. the 11,000 is the capacity of the stand but it will be some thousands standing tickets. so the max capacity is around 14,000

concerts held here including SNSD's, Super Junior's, G-Dragon's, CNBLUE's etc.

* Muangthong Thani actually isn't in Bangkok but Nontaburi, a neighboring city. 

 

Rajamangala Stadium is used usually for joint concert like SM Town, MBC Music Wave etc.

 

sometimes, Bangkok Convetntion Center at Central Ladprao or Bitec is selected.

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Teen Top is the only kpop group that performed in my country. They held a concert in a hall that's big enough for 3,000 people but there were only about 1,000 people at the concert.

 

Same for their San Jose concert --- a little more than 1000 in the 3000 seat City National Civic.

INFINITE meanwhile had at around 3500 in the 5000 seat San Jose State Event Center last November.

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