Xinhua mocks 'Sissy Pants' Male Idols, People's Daily Publishes Rebuttal

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http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1002883/xinhua-mocks-sissy-pants-male-idols

By Qian Zhecheng

 

 

Xinhua fires: http://www.xinhuanet.com/politics/2018-09/06/c_1123391309.htm

 

People's Daily fires back: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/xIhsEQOQ7Wuda98NyBpKSQ

 

 

 

The editorial board of state news agency Xinhua took aim at “effeminate†male celebrities on Thursday, saying “this sick culture is having an inestimably adverse impact on teenagers.â€

 

The commentary follows wide criticism of state broadcaster China Central Television’s annual back-to-school gala — which parents were required to watch with their school-age children — for having too many commercials. The parents’ ire soon spread from the advertisements themselves to the smooth-skinned, well-groomed actors in them, with critics calling these “little fresh meats,†as such men are known, bad examples for their own children.

 

These “sissy pants†men are described in the commentary as those who use makeup, have slender frames, and exclaim things like “Aww, you!†or “You scared poor little me!†As to how this specific archetype became so widespread in film and television, the editorial board blames the entertainment industry’s unbridled lust for money.

 

“Some films, television programs, online platforms, and reality shows deliberately appeal to audiences’ vulgar tastes, profiting from these assorted ‘weirdos,’†the commentary reads, before ending on the pronouncement that as long as men are behaving in this way, China will never become the strong and prosperous country it hopes to be. “To nurture those who will shoulder the job of helping our nation reach its renaissance,†reads the article, “we must shield them from undesirable cultures.â€

 

China has seen a shifting aesthetic among the younger generation in recent years, with tomboy heartthrobs and androgynous idols attracting fan followings from all genders and achieving unprecedented popularity.

 

But the state media regulator has not loosened its leash to accommodate this changing aesthetic, and sensitive programming still faces strict scrutiny. The Oscar-nominated gay blockbuster “Call Me by Your Name,†for example, was pulled from screening at the Beijing International Film Festival in April. And “Youth,†a coming-of-age story about a military drama troupe during the contentious Sino-Vietnamese War, had its premiere delayed by nearly three months last year.

 

People’s Daily, another state-owned media outlet, published a rebuttal on Thursday night. “We disagree with the derogatory remarks ‘sissy pants’ and ‘not man, also not woman,’†said the article, authored by the paper’s own editorial board, referring to terms used in the Xinhua commentary. A man’s strength should be judged on the basis of their inner qualities — not their physical appearance, the article said.

 

Wei Wei, a sociology professor from East China Normal University who specializes in gender research, said that the Xinhua commentary contained several problematic views on gender. “The way [the article] said it was brutal and heartbreaking,†Wei told Sixth Tone, explaining that gender can be expressed in many ways. “Xinhua’s article implies that being feminine is bad.†But Wei noted that the growing appreciation in China for so-called little fresh meats shows that women are gradually getting more respect.

[respectmyauthori-tah]

I like that China is very much into actors who look masculine and who give off the vibes the characters they play require of them. The best actors over there are not cute boys.

It's ok for boys who are in Pop to look feminine, to dress as girls, to  pretend to be girls and etc as it's something expected of them as products. Products have to fit into the costumer's taste. I say the same in KPOP.

But I do hope China do not fall much further into the beauty's standards of POP for boys. I hope the beauty's standards of Pop do not go outside of it's comfort zones.

[BITE MY CLIT]

I like that China is very much into actors who look masculine and who give off the vibes the characters they play require of them. The best actors over there are not cute boys.

It's ok for boys who are in Pop to look feminine, to dress as girls, to  pretend to be girls and etc as it's something expected of them as products. Products have to fit into the costumer's taste. I say the same in KPOP.

But I do hope China do not fall much further into the beauty's standards of POP for boys. I hope the beauty's standards of Pop do not go outside of it's comfort zones.

 

wtf.. not all guys look gruff and manly and cant even if they want to. you don't make sense.

how does not looking "manly" mean they are trying to be feminine? make it make sense.

[KentasGlittery EyeMakeup]

I like that China is very much into actors who look masculine and who give off the vibes the characters they play require of them. The best actors over there are not cute boys.

It's ok for boys who are in Pop to look feminine, to dress as girls, to  pretend to be girls and etc as it's something expected of them as products. Products have to fit into the costumer's taste. I say the same in KPOP.

But I do hope China do not fall much further into the beauty's standards of POP for boys. I hope the beauty's standards of Pop do not go outside of it's comfort zones.

This issue either went over your head or you agree with what China is doing right now (for example, banning homosexuality in media, prosecuting gay people, forcing toxic masculinity on men). Not all men are "masculine", not all men who are "feminine" have an image forced upon them, some men like to dress that way, not because it is "expected of them" but because they like it, the fact you didn't even mention or consider that blows my mind because I genuinely liked and agreed with you on so many things mentioned on this site but China's censorship of all things different will not be one of them. Did you even read the whole OP? What China is doing is harmful and against human rights. 

[LoveKa]

wtf.. not all guys look gruff and manly and cant even if they want to. you don't make sense.

how does not looking "manly" mean they are trying to be feminine? make it make sense.

This!

 

This issue either went over your head or you agree with what China is doing right now (for example, banning homosexuality in media, prosecuting gay people, forcing toxic masculinity on men). Not all men are "masculine", not all men who are "feminine" have an image forced upon them, some men like to dress that way, not because it is "expected of them" but because they like it, the fact you didn't even mention or consider that blows my mind because I genuinely liked and agreed with you on so many things mentioned on this site but China's censorship of all things different will not be one of them. Did you even read the whole OP? What China is doing is harmful and against human rights. 

Couldn't have word it better!

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How do I down vote all you people who think feminized is good for Asian men? The trend of feminine men started in Japan by a guy named "Johnny Kitagawa". He worked for the U.S.‘s Central Intelligence Agency before went back to Japan and launched different Boys Bands. The phenomenal of feminized masculinity was not prevalent in Asia before WWII. The West (America) aka White people wants to emasculate Asian men because Asian men were perceived as a thread (Yellow Peril). One other tidbits piece of fact about Johnny Kitagawa, he has been accused of sexually molested some of the jpop boys during those days.   

 

You can read more about it here. 

 

Hollywood media has always have a history of emasculating Asian men on film. Here is an example that was posted by someone on Reddit with evidence of Hollywood try to censor any type of sexual image of Asian men. Aren't you all curious why Asian men are always portrayed as gay, asexual, ugly, or awkward in Hollywood films?   

 

Any how I hope you all understand that feminized masculinity was not prevalent in Asia but in the West. 

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How do I down vote all you people who think feminized is good for Asian men.The trend of feminine men started in Japan by a guy named "Johnny Kitagawa". He worked for the U.S.‘s Central Intelligence Agency before went back to Japan and launched different Boys Bands. The phenomenal of feminized masculinity was not prevalent in Asia before WWII. The West (America) aka White people wants to emasculate Asian men because Asian men were perceived as a thread (Yellow Peril). One other tidbits piece of fact about Johnny Kitagawa, he has been accused of sexually molested some of the jpop boys during those days.   

 

You can read more about it here. 

 

Hollywood media has always have a history of emasculating Asian men on film. Here is an example that was posted by someone on Reddit with evidence of Hollywood try to censor any type of sexual image of Asian men. Aren't you all curious why Asian men are always portrayed as gay, asexual, ugly, or awkward in Hollywood films?   

 

Any how I hope you all understand that feminized masculinity was not prevalent in Asia but in the West. 

 

 

 

You are absolutely wrong. So-called "Sissy men" have been celebrated for centuries in China. These four are from the Three-Kingdoms period.

 

 

 

 

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You are absolutely wrong. So-called "Sissy men" have been celebrated for centuries in China. These four are from the Three-Kingdoms period.

 

 

 

 

You are absolutely wrong.The picture/painting that you posted in a modern rendition of what those men looks like. Come on, some of these guys have a White nose ridge than Asian's nose ridge. Please learn what Asians really look in real life. Asians are so mentally colonized that they even trying to replicate White's features in their own self-image.This is mentally colonized. Asians need to be proud of our natural features and not having men go shaved of their jaw bones to look more White. Stop chasing after a beauty standard that are worshiping Whitiness as the standard.  

 

Also please read the article I posted before reply to my comment. 

 

Edit:The paint of the last guy looks disgustingly White.

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Here is picture of two towers of jaw bones that was cut off from South Koreans to get a more "White“ aka "modern" look. I hope Asian stop hating their own self-image and stop going under the knife and mutilate themselves just to look White.

[ButterflyLovers]

Wtf... There are hundreds different ethnicities for "asian" category and most of them don't look typical east-asian with low nose-bridge, momolid, or even black eyes&black hair. For example Chinese people, I'd say there are more than half of them have natural double eyelids because Chinese ethnics are that diverse. Some with mixed bloods from different ethnicities- there's no such thing such as pure Han etc- do have paler skin, some also have big eyes, lighter brown eyes, oh and curly hair! Some also have high nose bridge, etc.

You want more proof? Look at Ainu people- they're genetically established to be not related to caucasians at a, and yet you'd see most of them have physical appearance vey similar to caucasians- from lighter eye&hair colors, high nose bridges, defined jaw line, whitewhite pale skin etc... But no they're not related to caucasian europeans whatsoever, their genetic is distinctly different and thus they are asians.

 

I think nationalistic people who want to box everyone under stereotypical "asian look" really should do soul-searching again... Because that "stereotypical asian look" is actually western ignorance too before and after World War, you are offended when westerners depict asian with ugly one-slit eyes, round-face, dark-skin, short, etc... But go on using it as your own material to decide what "asian" should look like? Talk about being brainwashed.

Asian men, east asian included, are diverse. Some lucky fellas look nothing like the stereotypical monolid,round-faced, round-nosed fella and look exactly like the handsome macho men you think to be westernized. Don't put down your fellow asian men into one box just because you happen to believe that's how your race should look like(eventho it's actually western's past stereotype of what asian looks like).

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Let me guess you didn't even read the article I linked above and just feel like making a comment based on what ever worldview you already held. You are not opened mind to learn about the issue and just want to grab at any small evidence to make them fit into your self-narrative.

 

This is not about nationalistic sentiment. You are still very clueless and naive about racial issues and the racism Asians face in America/the West. You might even say "what racism? White people are nice, fair, love justice, freedom, and democracy." .As Robin DiAngelo who wrote White Fragility put it： "many people don't understand white racism and supremacy is unless they do years of sustain study into the issue". Basically they have no understand of  White racism and White Supremacy are, but think they have thorough knowledge and understanding about the issue based on their limited experience. 

 

Like you said Asian are diverse so why not embrace that diversity of people? There are dark skins Asians, round nose Asians, and short Asians that are beautiful people too. You are right in that double eyelids and high nose ridge exists in different Asian ethnic groups. I myself have double eyelids and tall nose ridge. But the Asian media like Asian idols are trying to push an unhealthy fetish toward White features. That why you have case where the first thing that come out of every clueless Asian ladies, young and old when they see White babies/people is how beautiful they are. Your typical White people looks like shit and ugly. Look at the guy Adrien Brody, he has an ugly nose but White put him in their media and project him into stardom. White market their ugly sides as beautiful and the clueless Asians just ate that shit up. When the first group of White people came to Asia, our ancestors used to describe them and ugly and pale as a ghost. 

 

Once you learned to embrace your people fully and truly that is when you start to see beauty every where. You will stop thinking White looks beautiful. Of course strong, healthy, and tall is always consider beautiful and that doesn't belong to White. Personally I think monolids are beautiful and strong, a unique features that White people will never have unless they mixed with Asian back in the day of Genghis Khan and Huns' conquest of Europe.

[ButterflyLovers]

nope, don't pull that reverse psychology on me. I have healthy self-image and I have deep respect of all nationalities or ethnicities or whatever else you label it(I notice you start insulting caucasian people as if it's a must- you reminded me of wumao squad btw), and you have no idea anyway about my nationality, race, ethnicity, etc and I plan to keep it that way.

 

Anyway if you stop thinking that men with handsome looks you label "westernized" are not asians or products of western propaganda then that means my job is done.

I have no interest in furthering this talk- you probably would foaming and fainting if the chat continues to the original topic about effeminate asian men.

 

I personally can't see it ends well, esp when I compare your wordings and my own post- pretty clear that almost everything in your post I disagree with n vice versa- so let's agree to disagree about girly guys or the male aesthetics. Good day.

 

Edit. Monolids are not asian-only trait btw. Some black african tribes which are the purest because they don't mix with asian or europeans- arguably also the ancestor tribes of both asians and europeans n everyone else on the planet- some of them also have monolids quality in their tribe. truth is- you still think in stereotypes- and even use it to insult caucasians-caucasians. If you're a wumao consider your next post to be your next wumao pay, but I'm not going to give you more post material hahaha.

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Evidently, you didn't read my last line careful enough.I said a unique Asian features that “Whites“ would not have unless they are mixed with Mongol or Huns way back during their conquest. I did not mention other ethnic groups like the Koisan or Bushmen because they rarely exist in Western narrative or media beside some documentary. 

 

You don't have to tell me your ethnicity but I would say 90% you're White. Because the term Wumao are used by Chinese hating White people online. I know the sort of people you associated with by just using that term. You think that every who is pro-Asians and anti-Western propaganda is paid. If you're an Asian then you are one of those mentally colonized Asian that pick up White narrative and talking points and made it their owns. I see many Whites people LARPing (LIve Action Role Playing）as Asian online and try to inject their narrative and agenda on Asian issues. I've been online long enough to see my fair share of those types. How dare you step in and talk about Asian issue when you're not one of us. This is a typical White's behaviors that think they own everything. Any way, I am done with you.

 

I am here to tell my Asian brothers and sisters that feminized masculinity is not something healthy for Asian men. Deep down women desire to get fuck their brain out by strong men with masculine features. A feature that is normal within Asian society prior JPOP, KPOP pushed these emasculated male images. Read the article I linked written by Natialie_ng and shadowsweep before comment on the issue.

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All you need is to pull out Chinese opera cross dress history to fight back.

[ButterflyLovers]

All you need is to pull out Chinese opera cross dress history to fight back.

LOL tell that to the troll with 4-5 post above you(is he creating the fake profile to act out on this issue, or is he a real troll? Heh) who apparently guessing I'm 90% white despite wumao being a term most chinese mainlanders use to describe their government-paid troll squad. Which generally average white people has no idea of. But maybe I'm the kind of white who's well-versed about chinese term, eh.

Then again, I can be a chinese-american or a japanese-british guy/girl or a black guy/girl XD...

 

Anyway, I think it's not going to be an issue in the long run-the effeminate men topic- because in the end the market itself would speak about it. That they gain popularity is proof that the chinese public itself has spoken about what kind of men they want to see on stage. frankly speaking, a handsome man would always find their place up on stage and like it or not there would always be limelight on them. People love to see and gaze at beautiful people and regardless of the insecurities&inferiorities of the men who lose the competition, the crowd would never be back to the past era where cultural revolution can persecute men the wicked slanders in envy.

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How do I down vote all you people who think feminized is good for Asian men? The trend of feminine men started in Japan by a guy named "Johnny Kitagawa". He worked for the U.S.‘s Central Intelligence Agency before went back to Japan and launched different Boys Bands. The phenomenal of feminized masculinity was not prevalent in Asia before WWII. The West (America) aka White people wants to emasculate Asian men because Asian men were perceived as a thread (Yellow Peril). One other tidbits piece of fact about Johnny Kitagawa, he has been accused of sexually molested some of the jpop boys during those days.

 

You can read more about it here.

 

Hollywood media has always have a history of emasculating Asian men on film. Here is an example that was posted by someone on Reddit with evidence of Hollywood try to censor any type of sexual image of Asian men. Aren't you all curious why Asian men are always portrayed as gay, asexual, ugly, or awkward in Hollywood films?

 

Any how I hope you all understand that feminized masculinity was not prevalent in Asia but in the West.

I just quickly glazed over your comments but you’re coming off as a complete hypocrite in this thread lmao. In this ^ post you seem to be arguing that asian men should strive to appear less feminine and subscribe to western standards of heteronormative masculinity due to “emasculation†by Hollywood but in the following posts you’re going off about how asian men should stop trying to mimic the appearance of white men and celebrate their natural faces. The hypocrisy in this is that many asian men lack the facial features and physical characteristics that make them appear “manly†by western standards and instead are considered “feminineâ€. So you’re arguing for asian men to try to look more “masculine†yet embrace the way they look, even if it’s not “masculineâ€? What are you really trying to say? Lol...

 

As a chinese man in my early 20s myself that lives in the west, I say to you, and to China and the morons that are telling young Chinese boys to emulate western standards of masculinity - shut the fuck up.

 

Let people be who they are. If that means wearing makeup and wearing skinny jeans, who the fuck cares? Why do you care whether or not white people think that’s feminine or “gay� All of this is screaming with homophobia and internalized racism and the fact that people are trying to push the toxic masculinity that pervades the west into China is all absolutely disgusting.

 

If China wants to think about improving their image to the rest of the world, they should first think about the social etiquette and manners of tourists and immigrants that are ruining the image of Chinese around the world with low class behaviour. And this is coming from a chinese person.

[yulee]

This thread lol... Article is about two editorial boards publish disagreeing opinions on accepting feminity in men, thread is talking about the Asian "race, the CIA, and human rights. Take a chill pill guys wtf xD

[TheBigMermaid]

Someone here clearly never heard of kabuki.

[asseater116]

it's so funny when you look back at traditional chinese history where homosexuality while wasn't celebrated, it wasn't discriminated as much as it is in today's modern world. chinese men had long hair, chinese men played women, chinese men painted their faces... shame that somewhere along the line we devolved to this state