This Industry Is Really... Sigh. The Show Did It AGAIN.

[Aquamaraqua]

I really thought the industry was moving forward in terms of anti-Jp sentiment but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe it isn't even about that anymore, but it's tiring with everything else added on top.

 

Context: CROSS GENE were 2nd place on The Show pre-voting, and while that category is only 5%, it ends up being a large enough portion of the final votes along with the clear importance towards digital sales & album sales.

 

The boys also charted #5 on Hanteo daily (moving up 5 places btw, on their 3rd week of promotions as well):

 

 

So we were all shocked to see this result from the voting:

 

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Heck even their choreographer was confused

 

 

Frankly enough, UNI.T did not compete with the MV views, album sales OR prevoting points. Neither group is charting anywhere this week on the digital charts either, plus the digital category is broken down into percentages so that they'd have much leverage if both groups are doing poorly. These facts are in no way trying to bring down UNI.T, and there very well may have been some logistical difference that caused UNI.T to be higher, but K-CandY and i-CandY both are asking for answers from The Show because the results in the end are just... odd given the facts.

 

The real kicker here is that Seyoung and Sangmin themselves said to CandY yesterday that they were nominated for The Show. CandY weren't even hoping for a win since it'd clearly go to digital charting G-Idle, but we wanted to at least get them a nomination this promotion cycle (they've received nominations before, came in 2nd place a few times, it's a bigger deal now because they've regrouped as 5 after Cas left).

 

It'd be fine if it was just us hoping for a win, but the fact that the boys had their hopes up and then not only were they simply shadily crushed, but CROSS GENE, a 6 year old group, the most senior group in the entire show, had not only their performance CUT but were also placed much earlier in the lineup, rather than the end which is reserved for seniors.

 

KCandY were crying today after what happened, that's just... heartbreaking.

 

All we ask for is respect for our men who have been in this shit industry for a considerable amount of time. It's sad they had to cheer up CandY with heavy hearts, even though them sharing their food with CandY is simply adorable. T-T

 

There have been various other shady and disrespectful things the industry has done to CG for a variety of reasons in the past, but this really hit hard because of in how poor taste it was done.

 

I hope other fandom can help us get feedback from The Show by using the following hashtags:

#ë”쇼_사전투표_왜_í•´

#ë”쇼해명해

 

These men don't deserve this...

 

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[katsu curry chips]

:(

 

That’s really sad. Are the kCandYs going to petition or maybe their management will push for a clarification?

 

 

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[Aquamaraqua]

:(

 

That’s really sad. Are the kCandYs going to petition or maybe their management will push for a clarification?

 

 

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That's what we're hoping to do via the hashtags. I don't want to give up knowing the boys are going to be doing extended promotions this time around with their double title track comeback, but this industry has been so brittle since the very beginning. They've been called Japanese invaders from the start because of their company (Amuse) being Japanese. You'd think Takuya being the diplomat he is, gaining recognition on Abnormal Summit would make these cold hearted admins a bit more respectful towards them.

 

Even if it isn't about them being under a J company, and something irrelevant all together, the general lack of disrespect is apalling. You'd think The Show would be actually somewhat respectful considering they're just a cable show with mainly nugus in the industry, but no... lol Even Inkigayo (also under SBS) treats the boys better.

 

CandY are just tired... 6 years of this banned from broadcasts, Japanese invaders, shady wins being taken away BS has gotten to us.

[Taelegant]

Cross gene deserve more love and recognition :(

[Aquamaraqua]

Cross gene deserve more love and recognition :(

 

It's sadder when you think about how their ultimate goal as artists is to unite people through their music regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation... they just want some of the most basic things that help humanity thrive. And it's as if the world really doesn't want that... lol

[respectmyauthori-tah]

I do not follow the group so I can only wish the best for them

 

Is there any other group with Japanese member who won music show's awards besides Twice in the last 5 years? My memory completely fail me now

 

Takuya's work in Abnormal Summit happened years ago, the way they really kicked him badly out of the show just to put  the Japanese member of a SM's group in his place was awful

[Aquamaraqua]

I do not follow the group so I can only wish the best for them

 

Is there any other group with Japanese member who won music show's awards besides Twice in the last 5 years? My memory completely fail me now

 

Takuya's work in Abnormal Summit happened years ago, the way they really kicked him badly out of the show just to put  the Japanese member of a SM's group in his place was awful

 

As far as I know, no. However keep in mind Cross Gene are under a Japanese company promoting in Korea (Amuse Korea is an extension of Amuse), and the only Korean idol group to be under one, which is why TWICE and other groups with Japanese members after them weren't regarded as such.

 

And there have been some behind the scenes suspicions we've had for events disadvantaging CG shortly after Takuya's "departure" as well.

[yoobear]

I do not follow the group so I can only wish the best for them

 

Is there any other group with Japanese member who won music show's awards besides Twice in the last 5 years? My memory completely fail me now

 

Takuya's work in Abnormal Summit happened years ago, the way they really kicked him badly out of the show just to put  the Japanese member of a SM's group in his place was awful

JBJ has won before and Kenta is in there. NCT (there's Yuta) has also won with Touch.  Pentagon has Yuto but they haven't won anything yet, though they probably will next comeback. 

[Aquamaraqua]

JBJ has won before and Kenta is in there. NCT (there's Yuta) has also won with Touch.  Pentagon has Yuto but they haven't won anything yet, though they probably will next comeback. 

 

JBJ has won before and Kenta is in there. NCT (there's Yuta) has also won with Touch.  Pentagon has Yuto but they haven't won anything yet, though they probably will next comeback. 

 

Lol I forgot the obvious ones. Yuto and Kenta have taken photos recently with Takuya too so I should have remembered. But my previous point about them being under a Japanese company (and a huge one; One Ok Rock, Perfume, Babymetal all under the same one) is the crux of the argument here.

[Jashin Khalifa]

It's sadder when you think about how their ultimate goal as artists is to unite people through their music regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation... they just want some of the most basic things that help humanity thrive. And it's as if the world really doesn't want that... lol

 

It's not like the world really doesn't want that, really their agency doesn't know how to do marketing, that's all. A group is not recognized only by their music, but by the way their agency does marketing.

 

Even artists like Busker Busker, Bolbbalgan4 or hyukoh would not be recognized if they not appeared in the nation's most important variety shows (BB on Superstar K3, BB4 on Superstar K6 and hyukoh on Infinite Challenge).

 

Cross Gene is already 6 years old and the agency has had no interest in exposing more members to be recognized. Sad but true.

[Akidoki]

What? How can The Show do that? It's already unfair that they weren't even nominated but to even cut off their performance, is just rude and horrible. I hope Cross gene will be treated better on other shows. 

 

And don't worry CandYs hopefully something better will come their way.

[Aquamaraqua]

It's not like the world really doesn't want that, really their agency doesn't know how to do marketing, that's all. A group is not recognized only by their music, but by the way their agency does marketing.

 

Even artists like Busker Busker, Bolbbalgan4 or hyukoh would not be recognized if they not appeared in the nation's most important variety shows (BB on Superstar K3, BB4 on Superstar K6 and hyukoh on Infinite Challenge).

 

Cross Gene is already 6 years old and the agency has had no interest in exposing more members to be recognized. Sad but true.

 

Excuse my language but, how does marketing have anything to do with respect or illegitimate wins?

 

Amuse is a huge conglomerate that is Japanese, and I admit they could do better promoting them, which they've stepped up this cb (they've promoted Taku and Shin enough to be known in Korea, and Koreans I've talked to are kind of aware of CG), but we're not talking about CG's success here. We're talking about the lack of RESPECT the industry has and the shady things that have been done by The Show.

[gore]

ah they're under the korean branch of a japanese company? the disregard and cockblocking for them makes sense in that case.  not that its right, but i'm sure the powers that be in the korean industry don't want a japanese company getting in on their share.  it is a bit ironic tho since.. korean companies do that in other countries lol.  sad cuz takuya is so sweet and the rest seem like nice boys :(

[Aquamaraqua]

ah they're under the korean branch of a japanese company? the disregard and cockblocking for them makes sense in that case.  not that its right, but i'm sure the powers that be in the korean industry don't want a japanese company getting in on their share.  it is a bit ironic tho since.. korean companies do that in other countries lol.  sad cuz takuya is so sweet and the rest seem like nice boys :(

 

Yes, Amuse Korea is an extension of Amuse. Takuya moved to Korea because of his love for Korean culture, and chose to participate in Project A (pre-debut CG) instead of being a regular Amuse boy (which would have been a more stable and assuring income). This comeback was also supposed to be a fresh start for them, with more of their artistic involvement in this album too. I thought even without the success of ZERO we'd be able to be happy for the music. But it's hard to enjoy just that with all this drama.

[Jashin Khalifa]

Excuse my language but, how does marketing have anything to do with respect or illegitimate wins?

 

Don't worry.

 

I'm referring to what you were talking about, not the main topic you posted. You talked about their ultimate goal as artists and that final words.

 

I really don't know what the end of the main topic is, since I don't know if you're claiming that CG was the winner of The Show or something, that's why I only talked about the other thing.

[Aquamaraqua]

 

Don't worry.

 

I'm referring to what you were talking about, not the main topic you posted. You talked about their ultimate goal as artists and that final words.

 

I really don't know what the end of the main topic is, since I don't know if you're claiming that CG was the winner of The Show or something, that's why I only talked about the other thing.

 

 

You can re-read the OP to find what we're trying to achieve.

 

As for the ultimate goal, there definitely have been better promotional tactics Amuse could have used, but in an industry where it's tough enough already, them being a Japanese company isn't exactly helping CG's chances of scoring a spot on nationwide variety shows. They literally were able to go on Weekly Idol a whole 5 years after their debut shared alongside with another group... And we know money isn't the issue because Amuse is loaded. Some of it has to do with poor management, but it also has to do with external factors. CandY have been pushing hard though and we try our best to get the company and K-Pop fans to become more aware of just how amazing Cross Gene are. It's hard though as your group gets older, and new rookies come in. We don't stop fighting though, ever. Our fandom grows every time CG have a cb, it's just one of these days the boys need to catch a break. T-T

[respectmyauthori-tah]

I hope they do well 

 

The Show is kind one of the few shows where groups like CG could have a chance to win if everything was on their side

 

As far as I know, no. However keep in mind Cross Gene are under a Japanese company promoting in Korea (Amuse Korea is an extension of Amuse), and the only Korean idol group to be under one, which is why TWICE and other groups with Japanese members after them weren't regarded as such.

 

And there have been some behind the scenes suspicions we've had for events disadvantaging CG shortly after Takuya's "departure" as well.

 

Lol I forgot the obvious ones. Yuto and Kenta have taken photos recently with Takuya too so I should have remembered. But my previous point about them being under a Japanese company (and a huge one; One Ok Rock, Perfume, Babymetal all under the same one) is the crux of the argument here.

 

Interesting

 

I'd haven given the example of Yuehua which is a Chinese company operating groups in SK but not one of them did compete yet besides WJSN which is in partnership with Starship this group won a couple of music show's awards, SK worships China's money but dislikes Chinese members

 

It's not like the world really doesn't want that, really their agency doesn't know how to do marketing, that's all. A group is not recognized only by their music, but by the way their agency does marketing.

 

Even artists like Busker Busker, Bolbbalgan4 or hyukoh would not be recognized if they not appeared in the nation's most important variety shows (BB on Superstar K3, BB4 on Superstar K6 and hyukoh on Infinite Challenge).

 

Cross Gene is already 6 years old and the agency has had no interest in exposing more members to be recognized. Sad but true.

 

This is so very truth

Any company outside the BIG 5 have to play the right cards to do well in the game with good luck on their side

[pastelcake]

Aww that's sad. I hope they can get nominated and win next time

[Jashin Khalifa]

This is so very truth

Any company outside the BIG 5 have to play the right cards to do well in the game with good luck on their side

 

Or you're just like hyukoh that their popularity grew up considerably after appearing in Infinite Challenge.

 

I was going to put that example. Also a variety program very recognized at national level can help you.

[Aquamaraqua]

I hope they do well 

 

The Show is kind one of the few shows where groups like CG could have a chance to win if everything was on their side

 

 

 

Interesting

 

I'd haven given the example of Yuehua which is a Chinese company operating groups in SK but not one of them did compete yet besides WJSN which is in partnership with Starship this group won a couple of music show's awards, SK worships China's money but dislikes Chinese members

 

 

This is so very truth

Any company outside the BIG 5 have to play the right cards to do well in the game with good luck on their side

 

Or you're just like hyukoh that their popularity grew up considerably after appearing in Infinite Challenge.

 

I was going to put that example. Also a variety program very recognized at national level can help you.

 

Yeah that's the thing... how do you not get cockblocked from these big broadcasting companies to give your groups a shot. Money and promotional key are definitely huge, Amuse have the money, they lack some of the promotional tactics, although they've definitely tried some and have gone above & beyond the B3 in certain promotional areas. Shin gained CG massive fans with LotBS (drama) and Takuya with his AbSum panelist job (before SM stripped him from it, lol). It's this back and forth popularity / inability to gain recognition due to xyz that's to be dealt with. So the question of how valid or how powerful a company in Korea, not only monetarily but also with connections can function and promote their groups arises.

 

CandY are definitely aware that Amuse needs to push CG even more than they already are, and like I said previously that are slowly inching towards that. I just wish that while CandY and Amuse help elevate CG, we wouldn't be so set back by the industry even further than most nonB3 groups already are anyway.

[m@ze]

That sucks. Cross Gene deserve more love and recognition! I can't at them being played dirty like this

[t11]

 

I really thought the industry was moving forward in terms of anti-Jp sentiment but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe it isn't even about that anymore, but it's tiring with everything else added on top.

 

Context: CROSS GENE were 2nd place on The Show pre-voting, and while that category is only 5%, it ends up being a large enough portion of the final votes along with the clear importance towards digital sales & album sales.

 

The boys also charted #5 on Hanteo daily (moving up 5 places btw, on their 3rd week of promotions as well):

 

 

So we were all shocked to see this result from the voting:

 

Can anyone enlighten me, for the show, which chart do they use? Daily chart or weekly chart? 

I'm new to these kind of music show chart, so i want a clear understanding of how it works.

 

 

Frankly enough, UNI.T did not compete with the MV views, album sales OR prevoting points. Neither group is charting anywhere this week on the digital charts either, plus the digital category is broken down into percentages so that they'd have much leverage if both groups are doing poorly. These facts are in no way trying to bring down UNI.T, and there very well may have been some logistical difference that caused UNI.T to be higher, but K-CandY and i-CandY both are asking for answers from The Show because the results in the end are just... odd given the facts.

 

 

If they use weekly chart, then UNI.T had possibility to be up there for the nominees. This is UNI.T's last week album sales on Hanteo

 

Not charting on music sites doesn't mean they are lacking listeners, we can simply compare it by looking at the hearts given by people that download / listen to their album. UNI.T might not chart on melon, but they entered top 100 on soribada and bugs.

 

I'm not hating on here, but instead i want to have a better understanding of these music show chart. If the way it worked is what you've stated above (using daily chart) then the show must've messed up something there.

[intrigueme]

I'm really sorry to Cross Gene and CandY's for having to go through this, the Show is known to manipulate the winners no matter how obvious the winner should be. They've done this to T-ara a few times that I know of and definitely have done it to other artists. 
It's really saddening to see them take this opportunity to those who rightfully won it.
I'm not sure if there's much that can be done as many fans have fired back at them for doing so but they keep doing it again and again. 

[MinAi]

that's unfair.. :(

[facade]

why this kind of thing always happen to cross gene??