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[ALLKPOP] Music chart sites in talks of removing real-time charts to prevent sajaegi

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#21 Honeystan

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:46 PM

When they see their song charting higher on Gaon and sales increase out of curiosity from the GP!

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#22 Tapu Leℓe

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:49 PM

LMAO, last year they were talking about removing Realtime because it was in hindsight, pretty pointless compared to Daily, Weekly, and Monthly~ imstupid.png

 

Now they want to get rid of it  to "stop sajaegi" which literally makes no sense, LMAOOO~ Now songs will jump to #1 in a day out of nowhere and we'll really have no idea whether its legitimately rising or not, CTFU~


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#23 nuelyoong

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:50 PM

Fuck nilo. Now i cannot see how my fav songs doing in the chart every hour
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#24 pururin

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:20 PM

LMAO, last year they were talking about removing Realtime because it was in hindsight, pretty pointless compared to Daily, Weekly, and Monthly~ https://onehallyu.com//public/style_emot...

 

Now they want to get rid of it  to "stop sajaegi" which literally makes no sense, LMAOOO~ Now songs will jump to #1 in a day out of nowhere and we'll really have no idea whether its legitimately rising or not, CTFU~

right 0u0plz.png won't that make companies actually want to do sajaegi since no one can see it rising weirdly


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#25 hamnn

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:07 PM

How is that a solution?


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:21 PM (Edited by adda, 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM.)

real time chart has nothing to do with sajaegi. I think they don' t want anymore people to talk about sajaegi and their suspicions so they are removing the real time chart. I could say  Korean Ministry of Culture encourages saejagi instead of finding solutions for the problem.


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#27 TiramiQ the 2nd

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:45 AM (Edited by TiramiQ the 2nd, 16 May 2018 - 12:45 AM.)

If this means ifans will tone down their obsession with charts then please do it
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#28 GotX

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:10 AM

So ifans can only brag about Gaon Index and Melon hearts
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:29 AM

Charts are dead ,now go count melon likes :ahmagah:
Maybe gaon index too which is as pointless as this chart will become :rolleyes:
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:06 AM

yes do it!!!! I'm sick of sajaegi !!


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:36 AM (Edited by Jinaho, 16 May 2018 - 07:37 AM.)

Real time charting will show us how well the song is doing tho. Isn’t it going to make it easier to change the numbers and cheat with the new way?

Real time chart usually fake for boygroup , for example you can see exo cbx 13 now , but on daily chart they are not even on top 20. Zombie streaming will be useless

http://www.melon.com...t/day/index.htm

Boygroup like exo , bts , wannaone is over
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:03 AM (Edited by Hyedes, 16 May 2018 - 08:04 AM.)

Real time chart usually fake for boygroup , for example you can see exo cbx 13 now , but on daily chart they are not even on top 20. Zombie streaming will be useless

http://www.melon.com...t/day/index.htm

Boygroup like exo , bts , wannaone is over

BTS is unbothered. Digital performance (in Korea) isn't helping acts sell concert tickets and that's the tea.


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#33 Jinaho

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:33 AM

BTS is unbothered. Digital performance (in Korea) isn't helping acts sell concert tickets and that's the tea.


If you think money is important. Remember who died last year , he would prefer his music to top the chart & get acknowledgement rather than just become money cashcow for company
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:02 AM

so what was explained to me was: sajaegied songs may top real time chart but do poorly on daily/weekly charts. if a song tops the real time chart, ppl will check it out and then it could get popular from that. By removing this chart there's a much lower chance of a sajaegied song to catch the public's attention. It would have to top the daily chart or something.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:49 AM

If you think money is important. Remember who died last year , he would prefer his music to top the chart & get acknowledgement rather than just become money cashcow for company

Jonghyun was suffering from depression, a mental health disorder. It's very tasteless and insensitive to use him as an example.

 

Money is surely important when it comes down to support. Making music has it's expenses and the pocket change made from digital sales isn't covering them.  

 

Beginning a world tour at Korea's biggest venue (Seoul Olympic Stadium w/ a 70k max capacity) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Topping the charts"~. BTS, iirc, receives 80% of the profits from touring btw.

 

 

 

Kpop fans tend to overrated Korea's mainstream music scene and put it on a pedestal. Korea's 'general public' does not invest in artist or their music. 

 

The songs that chart well are usually designated, radio friendly songs that are created to appeal mass/mainstream. What are most of the songs on melon's top 100 about? I'll give you a hint, "". And genre wise. outside of idol music, there's not that much diversity. Quite frankly, it's some of these (performance based*) male idol groups that are the ones creating the non-mainstream music in Korea. Well after all, Korea's mainstream isn't their target audience, bcuz of the lack of support for concerts/albums/touring.

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Acts who only have chart performance - only really have very casual listeners. When most 'popular' acts release an album, how come it's usual one song (the designated title track) that does well? People who ~are of fans/acknowledges one's music~ would check out the entire album. The Korean public doesn't support 'albums' (digitally or physically) or buy concert tickets, they only support 'singles'. Topping charts doesn't mean one is genuinely being acknowledged.

 

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#36 Jinaho

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:53 AM (Edited by Jinaho, 16 May 2018 - 11:06 AM.)

Jonghyun was suffering from depression, a mental health disorder. It's very tasteless and insensitive to use him as an example.

Money is surely important when it comes down to support. Making music has it's expenses and the pocket change made from digital sales isn't covering them.

Beginning a world tour at Korea's biggest venue (Seoul Olympic Stadium w/ a 70k max capacity) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Topping the charts"~. BTS, iirc, receives 80% of the profits from touring btw.



Kpop fans tend to overrated Korea's mainstream music scene and put it on a pedestal. Korea's 'general public' does not invest in artist or their music.

The songs that chart well are usually designated, radio friendly songs that are created to appeal mass/mainstream. What are most of the songs on melon's top 100 about? I'll give you a hint, "❤[/size]". And genre wise. outside of idol music, there's not that much diversity. Quite frankly, it's some of these (performance based*) male idol groups that are the ones creating the non-mainstream music in Korea. Well after all, Korea's mainstream isn't their target audience, bcuz of the lack of support for concerts/albums/touring.
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Acts who only have chart performance - only really have very casual listeners. When most 'popular' acts release an album, how come it's usual one song (the designated title track) that does well? People who ~are of fans/acknowledges one's music~ would check out the entire album. The Korean public doesn't support 'albums' (digitally or physically) or buy concert tickets, they only support 'singles'. Topping charts doesn't mean one is genuinely being acknowledged.

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You talk like the likes of bigbang , gd or IU ( who is a digital monster ) are poor ?
Or people like ed sheeran , adele are poor & doesn't make money ? Lmao

Busker busker made $3.8m with only ONE digital song

https://www.soompi.c...blossom-ending/


They just sit at home without breaking any sweat and already rich

Digital sales has advantage , it might be cheap but there is almost NO cost as well unlike organising concert or producing album which requires human resources , For example how much it cost to rent Olympics stadium sis ?
How much it needed to rent Tokyo Dome ?
You think it's free ? :har:, you think they won't need to pay people , pay the promotor ? Tvxq might be making $100m but also spend at least 75% of it to conduct the concert before sm can take most of the profit and left them with dust

Singer with music relevancy is both rich & popular & their music is being enjoyed by everyone and their mother. That's the true meaning of success
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:12 AM

You talk like the likes of bigbang , gd or IU ( who is a digital monster ) are poor ?
Or people like ed sheeran , adele are poor & doesn't make money ? Lmao

Busker busker made $3.8m with only ONE digital song

https://www.soompi.c...blossom-ending/

They just sit at home without break-in any sweat and already rich

Singer with music relevancy is both rich & popular & their music is being enjoyed by everyone and their mother. That's the true meaning of success

GD and BB make a lot of money off of Japanese tours. IU is an exception - she can release multiple songs from an album digitally and do very well. Her physical album sales are also good for a solo act.

 

Westerner acts makes more money off of touring as well. Ed Sheeran and Adele certainly tour and they don't struggle to sell tickets. Maybe it's exclusive to Korea, where an act can constantly be popular on the charts, yet struggle to fill up notable concert venues.

 

The West's digital market >>> Korea's.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:26 PM (Edited by Minatozaki Sana, 16 May 2018 - 12:27 PM.)

they're making it less transparent so we can't even detect who is doing sajaegi anymore. This is a repeat of last year when they removed downloads after people starts noticing Ko Ko Bop's fishy numbers.

 

Korean charts are so tragic, giving leeway for people to commit FRAUD.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:34 PM

Thank you Nilo
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:28 AM

they're making it less transparent so we can't even detect who is doing sajaegi anymore. This is a repeat of last year when they removed downloads after people starts noticing Ko Ko Bop's fishy numbers.

Korean charts are so tragic, giving leeway for people to commit FRAUD.


But hopefully all stupid boygroup fandom stop doing Zombie streaming & start sleeping instead , since their efforts will not be shown on chart & they can't brag about stupid "allkill" at 3am anymore
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