[OFFICIAL] HEART SIGNAL SEASON 2| 하트시그널 2: KOREAN REALITY DATING SHOW

[eunwoogf]

I cautiously ship Hyunwoo/Youngjoo (#cautiously because of how much could actually still go wrong), but seeing as so far they're really the main ship of the season, all of the promotional material that didn't even hint at them being a possibility is truly confusing me? I know the probability of an actual couple to come out of a months' stay at a house with strangers is slim to none, but, tbh, at least going by the episodes we've seen, how are we not supposed to ship them? So here comes the worry of what could go wrong, and what definitely does, considering they do both drift apart enough at least to date other people? 

Maybe it's Youngjoo in general, because I see sparks between her and every single one of the guys, except for Jaeho? Like such sweet, truly lovely potential with Gyubin (who I'd personally probably date if I were one of the contestants), a really strange kind of connection between her and Dogyun (I actually think she could maybe be the best longterm match for him in the house, although it'll seriously never happen because she doesn't seem like his type physically and thus he's never even considered it, and he's too close with Gyu for that to ever change), but with the addition of a Hyunwoo/Youngjoo backstory, the commentators' theories and Hyunwoo's STARES, it really makes them seem like it's the rarity of legit fate in a dating show. Ah. Does anyone have any serious predictions/gut feelings (I'm super bad at those so I wouldn't even try) for the end matches, or is it still too early to think about that?

[eunwoogf]

Ugh I feel you because I'm trying to restrain myself from shipping YJ and HW 100% but it's SO hard because the editors are clearly manipulating us to root for this couple!!! I also agree with you on her and DG, but unfortunately I think it's too late and that they only view each other as "friends" at this point...and it'll be hard to break out of that mindset with the remaining time they have left at the house  . I'm sooo curious at what could have been, but I guess just thinking about what if situations is a total waste of time. 

 

It really is so hard not to jump on the Hyunwoo/Youngjoo bandwagon completely because they really do seem like they're made out to be the main couple in a drama~ but then you realize we're not even halfway through, it's way too early for 'set' relationships, there's tons of material to indicate they will both see other people during the show, & also suspicious things like the insta egg sandwiches, promo poster, looming presence of Daeun and Hyunjoo...This is actually a new situation for me with this show because I stopped watching S1 not out of frustration, but disinterest? Racecar & YK were tolerably cute but nothing that really stirred me enough to be the main couple of a dating show (also they seemed more like a couple out of circumstance rather than initial interest, idk), and there was pretty much no one else besides them couple-wise to rival, so S2 is proving to be surprisingly refreshing with a cast that really meshes friendship-wise and romantically, even if some can be irritating individually. 

 

Also, re: Dogyun: I get the feeling he's not really someone to date (or even consider) outside of a specific type, so his one fault I've felt (which could really just be subjective) is slight shallowness kind of unbecoming of who he appears to be. But tbh if this were a longterm project like Terrace House, I'm sure 3/4 of the guys would all at least temporarily have a thing for Youngjoo, because while she's not really someone who captivates from the start, she does so with time through her girl-next-door thing (i.e. her being the only girl that could permanently break through the wall Dogyun puts up around everyone).

 

What mix-match dates are you guys curious to see (even just to see the two interact, not necessarily on a romantic level)?

I want to see Jaeho go on a date with the other girls (either Hyunjoo or Youngjoo, but I'm strangely not that interested in seeing him and Jangmi), Do Gyun with Youngjoo and Jangmi, Gyubin with Hyunjoo (although seeing him with Daeun or Jangmi would be hilariously awkward), and Hyunwoo with Daeun (although this date fills me with trepidation but I can't help my morbid curiosity lol).

I think the most utterly random combinations, like Daeun with Gyubin or Youngjoo with Jaeho would be hilariously interesting (or maybe just uncomfortable, in the case of the latter?) to watch. I really want Dogyun to have one date with Youngjoo and at least one with Hyunjoo, just out of plain curiosity of how he'd act, then he's free to be with Jangmi, which I'm actually lowkey excited for, they seem cute even from initial snippets of interaction. Gyubinnie would be hard to take seriously with anyone besides Youngjoo, really, although I'm sure he'd try his best with anyone; I really don't think he'll pine away for Youngjoo for the entirety of the show, but just like the psychologist said, I wouldn't mind it if he did. Hyunwoo I just wouldn't really like to see with anyone besides Youngjoo, at least for now, seeing him with the others tends to send a really irrational jealousy signal in my brain lmfao (even though I get it's impossible and who knows what'll transpire~~). Jaeho...I honestly have no clue. He, along with Daeun probably, are the ones I've had least interest in in the last six episodes so it's convenient they've been paired off together, but it's a bit of a blank for me because I don't even understand why they're paired off, really? To me, Daeun doesn't particularly seem interested at all, rather just going along with it because she hasn't gotten the chance to try out anyone else, besides Dogyun, who was way into too obviously into Hyunjoo? Hyunjoo could potentially suit Jaeho, actually, but I think the combination of Hyunwoo being the most popular and her catching feelings during the Christmas date could linger for a while. I really wonder if she'll actively pine for him or give up if she feels her opponent is in too deep with Grass oppa~~ for her to have a chance.

Edited April 25, 2018 by eunwoogf

[eunwoogf]

I find it hard to see Hyunwoo going back to Hyunjoo because it's almost like "been there, done that"? Unlike Youngjoo who keeps showing new sides of herself, Hyunjoo's personality and charm seems rather...one-dimensional, for lack of a better word. In some ways that's her charming point because she doesn't feel the need to put up a facade but because it seems like she's pretty much the same both on and off a date, aside from initiating more skin-ship, I think that once someone starts losing interest in her it might be difficult for their feelings to be reignited.

Maybe you're right, for a guy like Hyunwoo or Jaeho who are more settled and probably have more experience with women in general, they'd perhaps tire of Hyunjoo, since they seem to moreso understand that women are people/individuals, and not really "types", unlike how Dogyun describes Hyunjoo (bright)? The bright, happy, pretty act is pretty much no-fail in getting someone's interest, but keeping it really requires the girl clicking with the guy, rather than constantly having to be something for someone and expect that 'type' or character or quality from them, if that makes sense at all.

 

IMO, rather than it being slight shallowness on his part, it comes off as Do Gyun not being as used to being around women and/or inexperience with dating. I think I recall him saying in one of the past episodes that he's actually pretty awkward in front of girls, but I might be totally misremembering that...if that's the case, his lack of experience/general awkwardness around girls makes him less likely to venture into "unknown territory". I also think he has this preconceived notion that because he's on the calmer, more solemn side, he needs someone who's much more on the opposite side of the spectrum and that bleeds into what he finds attractive (both in terms of physicality and personality). Because he's so introspective and hesitant with his words and actions, rather than someone who's bright and bubbly, I think someone who is patient, considerate, but still forthright would be a good match.

 

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This show is making me think more about missed connections and how timing + dedication is actually so important...I think that especially these days with dating apps becoming increasingly commonplace, people are less patient and think that if there are no sparks right off the bat, that means that things won't work out. But some bonds just need more time to develop and you'll have a long, steady burn compared to a burst of heightened emotions from the start that ends up blowing out quite easily. You probably know what I'm getting at and yes, I'm referring to the "what could have been" between YJ and DG because seriously, if not for HW's intervention, I would have loved to see how this pairing played out, especially after their interactions at the end of episode 5 and sprinkled throughout episode 6  .

I really do currently have a steady preference for Hyunwoo/Youngjoo, and unless something drastic happens (like a sign of disinterest or it gradually withering into a slow death), I can't see that changing much. That being said, I do think there's something there with Dogyun & Youngjoo. I suppose it could just be kinship/genuine friendship, but, in a real-life situation rather than the contrived one set up by producers and cameras for the housemates, Dogyun would eventually likely develop or realize romantic interest in Youngjoo. I mean, she's already the girl he "likes" most as a person (while his interest in Hyunjoo somewhat seems like projecting a fantasy onto her/who he thinks she is, rather than who he knows her to be). Or maybe I'm just projecting because I just saw this lmfao https://www.instagram.com/p/BiBrwK7hGey/?taken-by=channela_insta

 

Anyways, I'm still trying to understand the promotional material, which is strangely throwing me off. Based on the editing, showmakers knew the popular ship would be Hyunwoo/Youngjoo, but Dogyun/Jangmi are the largest and in center of the main poster, and the trailers and teasers point to the exact same couples as seated in it. Maybe literally none of this is relevant and I'm just a Reply series fan that tries to find odd clues in similar things, I don't know, but it's strange when S1's promo material (namely posters) was pretty accurate in ~spoiling the big final couple.

[eunwoogf]

Edit: Also just to add another thing, I saw the analysis of Do Gyun being "shallow" for being more interested in Hyunjoo than Young Joo and while I thought it was an interesting and well supported read (esp based on his apparent expirience), I think we should also remember that they have only known one another for 10 days. They still only have a basic picture on what everyone is like. In my opinion, they are all still liking each other on a very shallow level rn. Even Young Joo is a "type", even if she probably appears to be more dimensional to the guys right now. For example, using Hyun Woo's case, Hyun Joo was the cute type while Young Joo was the stable one (until drunk Young Joo happened anyways). So I don't personally find Do Gyun shallow for liking Hyun Joo at all. Apologies if I misinterpreted the analysis (my head's killing me rn).

While I completely understand where you're coming from & the "shallow" comment might have been hasty (we'll only know if it is in retrospect, really) but for now, at least with the information we've gotten thus far, I'll stick to it, I think? In a discussion we're all going by entirely subjective opinions and can't truly judge anyone as we can't possibly know all the circumstances in the house & the lives that the contestants inside it lead, so the lens through which we see people and situations will be different/clouded by own experiences, et al. I'm not necessarily belittling Hyunjoo when I say Dogyun is "shallow" (again, for lack of a better word) for liking her, it's just that of the edited material we've watched thus far, to me personally it came across as him being fixated on a person pretty much for appearance & aegyo alone. Especially appearance. Like, I guess you could argue that the girls reacted in a similar way to Hyunwoo, but that's more about vibe (which isn't a superior reason to be attracted to someone, anyway, but, you know) and their attraction isn't blinding them from potentially considering any other guy, like Daeun was clearly interested in Hyunwoo, but at least kept her mind open for Dogyun, while he pretty much......I mean, is it too harsh to say 'got drunk and thought about Hyunjoo'? Because that's honestly how it came across for me, lmfao. I totally get that you can't help attraction, but to me it does seem to be based on factors that are fantastical rather than actual. This opinion isn't rooted in negativity towards Hyunjoo, either, and she doesn't even do anything to perpetuate Dogyun's thing for her, really, so it's a moot point. Dogyun is one of my favourite people in the house, but, to me personally, this comes across as a slight fault.

 

What I will agree on, is that Youngoo is definitely not Serin 2.0. That situation was actually one of the reasons (besides there not being anything particularly interesting couple-wise) I stopped watching S1, because it was just...painful. Jang Chun, too, seemed shallow (much more than Dogyun, actually) in the not-considering-anyone-outside-of-a-set-"type" thing. There is a clear bias among the vast majority of viewers to be pro-Youngjoo, but, honestly, if there were any contestant that something of the sort were to happen to, at least it's her, who people feel positively towards because of the character we've been shown, the one of kindness and restraint. Hyunwoo is probably even more popular, but that's pretty much for attraction/vibe alone. 

Honestly, I feel like of all of the girls in the house, I "understand" Hyunjoo most, in that I see so much of myself in her, that inherently criticizing seems second nature, but, honestly, thus far, there's nothing to outright dislike at all. She's sly, sure, but not more than Daeun has come across as being. Hyunjoo's just currently the most successful at it. I think the main reason for the criticism she's gotten is because she's the third party in the "main couple" (according to public predilection) so far, so they automatically view the situation through the lens of the evil second lead in kdrama trope. If she were hooking up with with Gyubin or fighting Daeun (actually idt Daeun would even care) for Jaeho, no one would bat an eye imo. Since she seems to really like and concentrate on Hyunwoo, it's not her fault either. Idk, that's just my hypothesis~ 

[eunwoogf]

 

Oh no...this episode is a little bit heartbreaking. So many cute parts, but like...at times Hyunwoo/Youngjoo come across like exes who dated for a long time (especially by that dinner convo). I don't know. I don't think anyone is sure.

 

Edited May 4, 2018 by eunwoogf

[eunwoogf]

I'm late to the streaming, what did just happen?

 

 

Young Joo is crying and the commentators say there has been a misunderstanding. WHAT HAPPENED?

 

 

God, I'm sooooooo curious. Waiting for the spoilers here.

 

Okay, so from what I understand as someone with a very basic knowledge of Korean is that Hyunwoo & Youngjoo both talked about their dates (and even people they haven't dated, like Dogyun, who they spent a weirdly long time on?) and both gave each other really vague answers & misunderstood each other a lot. There was clearly so much jealousy there...but Youngjoo (I'm pretty sure, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) said/implied she doesn't think she's Hyunwoo's first choice~ and essentially they both went into their rooms and she cried and he just sat there in frustration.

 

[eunwoogf]

Episode 7 was by far and away the most intense episode, with the most depth of emotion and sadness. So far, everyone's been pretty on-the-surface since they have had such little time to get to know each other, but the sort of mess that happened today could only have resulted from built up feelings, frustrations, and connections.

I don't know where they can or will go from here, because even as there are lingering feelings on both sides of Hyunwoo/Youngjoo, they both seem to misunderstand each other so deeply & both sides (Gyubin & potentially Hyunjoo) have clear possibilities of people intervening in the budding relationship.

 

The preview was especially affecting.

[eunwoogf]

 

2. The whole last part of hyunwoo - youngjoo date threw me tf off lmao because the rest of the date was so perfect lmao - I can see why people would think it's scripted it's just too contrived - real or not. Anyways, they were both being vague af with their answers (it would be better off if everyone would just stop bringing up 2nd parties on dates ) I see people blaming hyunwoo 100% for the misunderstanding but youngjoo was even implying that there could be a possibility between her and dogyun when at least i think we know she's not interested. What Hyunwoo was saying was the truth that he knew initially that he sees someone in the house that he could date for a long time but someone (HJ) popped up but he still has his heart set on girl #1.. he said that but YJ thinks girl#1 is HJ so thats where the whole misunderstanding starts. 

 

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5. I don't know how people would feel comfortable with YJ starting to go to GB just because of a misunderstanding between her & HW, he's basically a rebound because she clearly isnt THAT into him. If she gets into GB after the misunderstanding is cleared then sure but 

 

6. I hope the misunderstanding is cleared next ep else im gonna be pressed and its gonna confirm that this is scripted lol. Aint nobody gonna walk around the house like everythng 100 when you know something was taken out of context. Plus today unfortunately no messages were sent with the choices so its not like he could say that their was a misunderstanding in the text to her LOL

 

7. They still chose each other in the end so there's that at least. 

 

8. Gyubin swooping in like superman at the end   get the fk outta here. I don't believe that shit for a minute

 

9. In the preview at the end where HW calls YJ out to clear the misunderstanding he directly tells her (based on my limited korean and busted eardrums) that he was talking about her when he said there is someone in the house that he could meet (date) for a long time. so.... next week about to be d r a m a. i love it.

 

 

 

I agree 1000000000000000%, it's like you took the words right out of my mouth. There's a tendency to just attack Hyunwoo immediately after anything goes wrong, and, while he is frustrating, so was Youngjoo, to a certain degree? Like, what was the intention behind the mention of 'not knowing how she feels' about Dogyun? Like, was she just putting all the cards on the table or was it a misguided attempt at making Hyunwoo jealous, or, somewhere in the middle of the two? Like, Youngjoo is my fav, but I don't really see the necessity of either. Maybe my opinion will shift as intricacies surface courtesy of subs, but that dinner was really difficult to watch, and both are clearly insecure and clearly INVOLVED. Which is why idg (at least for now) how people are jumping ship, because this oddly made me ship them more. I guess I like crying???????????????? 

 

Also, SAME re: Guybin. I actually found their initial date and interaction super cute and "right", but this is a little bit......too convenient in terms of production, and too easy in terms of following. I'm still trying to (probably pointlessly) understanding what we've seen, preview included, from an editing point of view, and I've come to the conclusion that I can't count out Gyubin so soon & so simply. This would've been something I'd welcomed episodes ago, but now.......? Not really that excited, tbf. 

 

Also also, I guess I kind of assumed that Youngjoo knew she was one of the ~popular ones in the house, but, now that we've seen her insecurity, I suppose that can't be the case at all? She actually thinks she's the third party in Hyunwoo/Hyunjoo, rather than part of Hyunwoo/Youngjoo, and that made me tear up a bit. The part of the preview wherein Hyunwoo called Youngjoo a fool (really cutely) made me flutter a bit ;________; (more than anything we've seen thus far). Only time will tell what happens in this mess.

 

Edited May 4, 2018 by eunwoogf

[eunwoogf]

Some of the comments Korean viewers are making on Youngjoo's ig are literally so adorable 

Generally, nothing is concrete, imo? Clearly H/Y have miscommunication issues, but I really don't understand the comparisons to YK/Racecar since imo those two were purposely playing each other a lot of the time, while H/Y is more-so mutual interest mixed with mutual insecurity? (At least that's how I view what I've seen of S1 vs S2, but I'm clearly biased). H/Y aren't just potentially a good choice for each other inside the house, like he said, she's someone he could see dating (in the real world) for a long time, not rly like the aforementioned couple. Since that hand-holding teaser is obviously Youngjoo and maybe Hyunwoo (judging by the style of coat, it's him, judging by the hands it's him or Gyubin), we'll see what happens. I would really like to see a HS couple make it outside of the show (don't rly consider YK/Jangchun that real lmfao), because then it would give it legitimacy as an actual dating show, which it tries to be, rather than the sociological experiment that it has been. But now watch some couple I h8 make it out as I've said that lmfao 

[eunwoogf]

Their interest for each other is very obvious. It wasn’t like that with season 1. In here hyunwoo is so infatuated with youngjoo.. and let’s not forget they have a connection outside of the show even though youngjoo doesn’t remember. I think hyunwoo even bringing up the dating outside of the show is proof enough he’s serious about this and isn’t here just for the filming. For him she’s a girl he was already interested in and it’s not because they’re on a show with limited choices you know? Same for youngjoo.. him having that connection to her outside world and that they could have potentially met also might remove the doubts about her Maybe is only interested in him because of the show. Not sure if my logic is sound but that’s how I think about it? So kriri and race car are no where close to being similar to hyunwoo and youngjoo. And I have faith that they’re mature enough to discuss things. One is when they came home and hyunwoo told her she’s misunderstanding the whole situation and another is in the preview where it looks like they’ll talk together outside their rooms in the sitting area. Hyunwoo sitting on the fooor right next to her and her on the couch tells me he wanted to be as close to her as possible and also he’s not afraid of being at a vulnerable position to her since sitting lower psychologically implies that

Yep, as I said previously, I didn't wait out the whole first season because nothing rly caught my attention so I'm speaking from a perspective that might not have seen everything that makes people ship YK/Racecar so much but it doesn't really seem like a comparable couple/situation when YK/Racecar seemed to choose each other out of necessity (aka there essentially not being anyone else that lastingly caught their attention in the house) and then did strange/immature things to keep each other's attention, whereas Hyunwoo/Youngjoo would potentially choose each other in "real life". This is going by the assumption that nothing major is scripted, which I did consider about Hyunwoo remembering Youngjoo (but then it's not like they would both fake prior jobs just to illustrate missed chances). 

I saw people speculating about the timeline of Hyunwoo's explanation (whether it happens the same night, or another) and I just presumed it would be another since she goes out with Gyub, but maybe it is the same night & showmakers don't want couples to solidify when there are two and a half weeks left, so.......

I just rly want an exact translation of what Hyunwoo says in the kitchen with the polkadot shirt on (which actually really suits him lmfao).

[eunwoogf]

So..................I'll just leave this here, lmfao.

 

https://twitter.com/kaithect/status/994232570819706880

Edited May 9, 2018 by eunwoogf

[eunwoogf]

Yeah, after that, I'm honestly not sure how and what exactly is supposed to happen with over half of the show still unaired....I mean, I don't want to speak rashly, but, like....he confessed? It's pretty clearly (at least as of now) mutual? The remaining stay will either be beyond shippable or beyond irritating.

I really feel for Gyubin, but I'm not sure there's a real romantic half for him in the house. It really would've been Youngjoo if not for Hyunwoo, but I'm not sure if I can see any of the other girls fitting him. As for Hyunjoo, she definitely has options and should really give it a try with Dogyun, who knows, she might like him even more. 

I guess we can assume both Hyunjoo and Daeun will pick Hyunwoo for their date~? Yes? No? I think at least Hyunjoo might, because while there's no real evidence that the promotional footage of Daeun with Hyunwoo is an actual date (it could be a walk by the HS house for all we know lmao), the footage with Hyunjoo definitely is. We'll see, we'll see. 

Also, does anyone know how the show is filmed? Obviously, there's no crew in the house, but how are the actual dates filmed? I'm just thinking of how deathly awkward that Hyunwoo/Youngjoo dinner would be if there were additional people around, like, adjusting angles and zooming while one party is on the verge of tears and another is having a light mental breakdown.

[eunwoogf]

Did anyone catch what even happened with Hyunwoo's sis's insta posts? I'm over the negative predictions/drama/etc but essentially APPARENTLY (idfk because I only saw the post wherein she said something about denying rumors that she knows anything????? I mean let's be real there's no way she doesn't know something, but anyway) there was info implying Hyunwoo could end up alone by the end of HS2 because Youngjoo stops chasing him? 

Ngl at this point I pretty much think they have too much between them to not at least try, regardless of pride.

[eunwoogf]

what is the origin of that rumor tho? if she denied it we'll just have to wait and see at this point because I also heard a rumor on one of those korean fb pages that they end up together lol. everybody out here writing their own scripts

 

As I rarely venture out outside this thread and maybe occasionally watch clip from naver or youtube, I have no idea about this issue at all. I just wish people stop pestering the cast (and on this case, even their family members) over the drama, tbh. Like, for instance, it's honestly sad reading toxic comments on hyunju and hyunwoo insta after episode 5 being aired. That's why I stop viewing their instagram altogether, too much stress for a softie like me, lol.

It's totally fine if netizen wants to play detective and fishing for clues, but if it become borderline bullying, it's no longer cute, honestly.

 

But If hyunwoo really ended up alone, i guess in the end they just don't click.

Even with all the sparks and intense chemistry between them, at the end of the day communication is what makes relationship works and last, and sadly they don't really get what their respective partner wants, which is very important. It will require a lot of work for this ship to keep on sailing, not just from youngju who constantly trying to reach out but from him as well. Because it become apparent that this ship is too emotionally draining for youngju and if he only half-assing his effort, I can see youngju moving on for real.

 

What I've seen circled around a bit is that she posted something, essentially I guess out of annoyance at the hate her brother was getting & implied (again, I've never seen it or sought it out) the alone thing, but, yeah. It's all useless at this point, all we can do is wait it out & see. I seriously can't believe there are nine episodes left. 

Leaving hate on their instas is the oddest thing ever, like, it's their lives at the end of the day? We can criticize behavior but literally hating someone for making a decision for their own life is beyond just irrational.

 

 

Lol, there’s an article regarding the “secret confession†between Hyunwoo and Youngju from a few pages back with the PD saying it’s not true.

 

http://m.entertain.naver.com/read?oid=108&aid=0002698983

 

I really dgi, like, unless the audio is specifically manipulated, he clearly does say "I like you"? 

[eunwoogf]

If I'm not mistaken

(since both of them speak softly to each other), at the end (before Hyunju yelling something behind the door), Hyun Woo said that "I've never felt this emotional (or feeling the emotion as intense as this) in my life", and Young Joo said "me too".

 

My face is just a heart-eye emoji rn. I think there are really two couples on the show that feel "right" to me, Hyunwoo and Youngjoo, and Dogyun and Jangmi. I'll also agree with GRISHA's comment, they really do seem set, but the production team have found their cash cow so they can't let them off that easily~ We'll see what happens with the Hyunjoo car moment & maybe Daeunie's potential date. Gyubin.......ah. I really do feel for him, but he does come off as much younger, so it's kind of ...? He's five years older than me & somehow I've began to think he's younger from all the maknae talk.

 

I really, REALLY like Jangmi. I think she seems by far the most mature of the girls and quite genuine; it doesn't seem to me as if she's in the house just to advertise her shop, if she is, she's a Daesang worthy actor lmfao. I also think if any girl had to come later than the rest, it's good that it's her because the rest would've probably gotten too intimidated. 

 

A big question mark in my head is Dogyun's imagined rivalry with Hyunwoo. I actually find it kind of hilarious because it's so cute and  irrational? It's not even because of Hyunjoo, I don't think, because he's literally acted that way from the moment he showed up. Dogyun should really relax now, hopefully him and Hyunwoo's paths won't cross on the way to the endgame of couples.

 

Jaeho and Daeun...I don't know. I actually found Daeun really cute today, but I guess I've bought into the 'stay wary of Daeun' thing because I do find myself not wanting to get too attached lmfao. It's really horrible. I think their coupling as of now does give the vibe of mostly-together-out-of-circumstance. Or maybe I get that feeling from us not really being shown too much of her interest? It seemed like she was much more direct with both Dogyun and Hyunwoo, when she had moments with them. (And then obviously crossed out Dogyun as a possibility).

 

I think screentime might vary in the episodes on because couples are starting to settle, and I doubt HS's team would want to forgo drama or possibilities of different couplings rather than show anything too, too concrete happening between a "settled" match. But really, we're only halfway through. Things can, and likely will, get messed up.

 

/ignore the mishmash of thoughts with no direction and forgotten grammar

[eunwoogf]

Obviously I could be wrong, but I don't really think of the cast (individually or otherwise) frequenting Mesiya is telling of anything tbh..it's good to stay informed but if we freak out over every interaction someone has when it could literally just point to friendship is a bit? If Daeun is endgame then there should really be rules against how blatant she has been (i.e. I'm sure there are if they were a couple, lmfao)

[eunwoogf]

I've noticed (on here specifically, it's incredibly different elsewhere) there seems to be like...correct me if I'm wrong, but, like a 'treating Hyunjoo with kid-gloves' behavior, while also demonizing Daeun at any and all slightest chance? I think I've been guilty of this too, but if we're going to attempt to understand the girls without any and all criticism (which I don't think is possible, as we're only viewers with our own personal biases and dispositions) shouldn't we extend the benefit to the doubt to all of them then, or just discuss/criticize when we feel something is worthy of discussion/criticism regardless of who does it? Does that even make sense? Of course I understand why all of the girls are acting in the ways that they are -- it's not like they're purposely being awful humans -- and virtually all of them have their flaws (Youngjoo's insecurity, Daeun being seeming un-open and thus failing to gain viewers' trust, Hyunjoo's immaturity, Jangmi I really have not seen enough of in general to see anything concrete in particular), so I'm not sure empathy and criticism/discussion are mutually exclusive things. 

[eunwoogf]

I think this thread is the most level headed discussion forum for heart signal though. Whenever someone says something condescending about hyunjoo here we stand up for her even if she's not her fav. She gets a good amount of hate elsewhere though. Regarding treating her with kid gloves i think it's just because she's presented herself to be a bit childish? idk because i don't really get what you mean when you say 'treating with kid gloves' if you explained the meaning maybe i'd get it.

I guess I think there's a bit of hypocrisy in that we defend and/or empathize with Hyunjoo even if she gives reason for discussion at the least, but are so quick to jump on Daeun for almost anything, idk? I understand that it's because the former already gets her fair share of criticism and it's generally useless to add to it, but for the latter the same kind of courtesy really isn't extended. You're definitely right that this is the most level headed discussion, but it's just something I've noticed.

[eunwoogf]

Can you elaborate more on how people jump on daeun, since I’m not clear on that

 

I don't think i've seen daeun hate here.. do you have any instances to refresh my memory? I also thought we were talking about hyunjoo based on your first post (even though you mentioned daeun lmao it just shows how insignificant i think any problems or hate related to her would be) if this is about daeun i dont think she gets talked about much at all.. sis hardly has screentime so nothing much to talk about..

 

gimme the receipts.

 

Like she's DEF untrustworthy and a ~ruiner of everything~ whenever girl does literally anything even somewhat related to Hyunwoo. Like it may be right for all I know but still there's nothing concrete whatsoever so? Like I honestly may be totally wrong but it just came off to me personally as looking for any existent reason to dislike her, and I've entirely bought into it too so it's not like I'm any better? Which, I mentioned, was inherently different from how most posters here try to treat Hyunjoo with understanding. It may just be me projecting & I'm not gonna look through 45 pages of a thread for receipts lmfao so you can ignore me

[eunwoogf]

i know this is random but i am starting to think the poster is really end couples end game

 

 

  

 

i don't want da eun and hyun woo to be together !?!?!?!!? and look at jaeho he looks so sad in the poster. why is he sitting alone !?!? i thought it might be fake, like take photo separately and put the people together but looking at the shadows and the positioning and cushioning and the leaning, i don't think so. i don't think at the beginning of the shoot you will find the girls leaning into the guys' arms or legs or whatever. and see how far apart da eun and young ju sit. they used to be so close. fuck i am so heartbroken       

 

#TEAMHYUNWOOYOUNGJU

 

I think a lot of us have considered this at one point, and, really, we have no way if knowing for sure (regardless of anything that's come so far), but it's considerably unlikely imo. You have to keep in mind that the promotional material offered to us pre-show swayed us in a bit of a different direction than what actually occurred (namely, Hyunwoo x Youngjoo, that no one would've ever really guessed would be a thing from teasers/trailers), so there's really no way of telling if it's accurate, especially because they were trying to package HS in a way that would spark an interest among viewers, before really knowing who exactly the viewers would really take to? Plus, there have been people that pointed out certain things in the poster (like haircuts) match the residents at different timelines than supposedly that of post-show. What really interests me personally is who & what couplings the production team originally thought would be most popular amongst the public, because clearly editing has been affected as the show has gone on.

[eunwoogf]

I love Lee Sangmin so much (2nd favourite TG winner only behind Kong Jinho) & he's genuinely brilliant, but as a Heart Signal commentator............I'm seriously left to wonder if he's made to say completely out-of-left-field things to serve as a "different" voice on the panel or if he seriously has so little sense when it comes to couplings?

[eunwoogf]

So, do we think this is YoungJoo & friends at Mesiya or no? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQIE444C-cA& (starting around the 4:15 min. mark) In the vid I'm pretty sure I hear someone ask "is that YoungJoo unnie?" and then "it's her". No clue if this is even relevant, but.......

[eunwoogf]

I really think Dogyun & Hyunjoo are likely the panel's favourite individual housemates, and that largely accounts for their commentary of them together (and apart, really, I think they might just be their "protagonists" in the house in general), because I actually preferred his date with Jangmi, to this first one? I'm hoping they get another, though. My heart hurt for all of the girls for some reason, even from seeing little bits of their lives, you can kind of gauge the insecurities they have and/or unhappy moments they carry. I hope the time in the house will prove beneficial and they look back at it as a happy time to be grateful for (which I'm sure they will) rather than regret or sadness if they do not turn out to match with someone inside it. Whoever ends up together (besides the obvious of Hyunwoo x Youngjoo bc I'm hoping these two are set in stone and like the baker said she turns out to be his future wife lmfao /cue the delusion) I just hope it's entirely mutual affection. 

 

Also, @comingtoyouLIVE, if I'm not mistaken,

Hyunjoo asked what her first impression was upon him seeing her when she just walked in, and after explaining where he was positioned and that her head kept coming up (lmao this sounds so inaccurately phrased (?), I think he wrote down "pretty" on the napkin.

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by eunwoogf

[eunwoogf]

Thank you!

I also liked Dogyun x Jangmi date better, but Dogyun seems to be enjoying this date more than the previous one with Jangmi. Also agree on how the panel's favorable views toward both of them is really affecting the comments they gave lol.

 

It's just how I feel, but I think Hyunjoo isn't realy into Dogyun yet, because...

 

When they start talking "deep", Hyunjoo tend to be uncomfortable. During their meal at eel restaurant, Hyunjoo seems to change their topic when Dogyun wants to say something about their relationship. On their last course after that napkin talk, she even tried to end the date by asking Dogyun to go home and Dogyun said, "let's just stay here for a while". I might misunderstood things that happened there since my korean is limited, but I kinda get these vibe and the gist of the conversation.

 

 

The Dogyun/Jangmi date just seemed really mutual and balanced (I didn't actually feel like Dogyun didn't "like" her, until their conversation at dinner led him to think about Hyunjoo. They both appeared comfortable and it seemed like a pairing in which they could potentially bring out the best from each other? I don't know, we'll really have to see where either of the pairings with him go, but that's the impression I got.

Yeah,

I really liked that Hyunjoo was being much more """natural"""" with Dogyun (I really felt like she was pulling out all the stops in her date with Hyunwoo, but it's obviously because he caught her attention) and is trying, but I completely understand her slight discomfort. Maybe I'm projecting, but when she asked his ideal type~ and he answered "bright" (pretty clearly referring to her), she had kind of a vaguely sad expression, and I 1000000% get it. I feel like even the men on the panel (like Dr. Yang who I really, really like) are trying to project this kind of one-dimensional image on her, when they've pretty much stopped doing it for everyone else? Maybe I'm totally wrong, but because I feel like we're the same "type", I can definitely say that girls who try to be bright for everyone else (even if it's not put on) sometimes carry a lot of sadness and worry themselves. 

And also, people have been mentioning how difficult unrequited love is, (and of course I agree), but being the recipient of an unrequited love (when you know about it) is also difficult and full of pressure and guilt. This is really why mutuality is key, regardless of how strong one party's feelings are.

 

 

Also, this is so random but I've finally remember what I've wanted to say for so long. Doesn't Daeun look so much like Jeon Somin? I've literally thought this since ep 1.

[eunwoogf]

Cute things du jour: 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi_-TWkHWUu/ Hyunwoo & Jaeho holding hands leaving Mesiya <3

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiuQgiNhWSU/ Jaeho & Gyubs making a wallet or something??? a week ago

http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=heartsignal2&no=154531 pics of the cast (apparently everyone was there except Hyunwoo & Jangmi) together when the first ep aired

 

Credits~~~ https://twitter.com/__3360/status/998162756481171456?s=12 (this person in general rly)