on the topic of honey popcorn, are the av industry and the idol industry really that different

[ethereal]

i've been thinking about how some koreans seem very against honepopcorn for reasons ranging from xenophobia to the fact that they're pornstars, and so many have been saying they'll "ruin" kpop's image. But I really can't help but think, is the idol industry really so pure and perfect that it has to be protected from a few av actresses? 

 

if we think about what it really means to be an idol, although they aren't selling "sex" or their "bodies" in the same way, can't it still be said that they are? idols are essentially forced to become slaves to their fans, have to upkeep their public image, have to avoid dating or getting caught dating in many cases, have to work themselves half to death because of overschedueling. then there are the "sexy" concepts and revealing outfits, some of which are forced on certain groups or individuals. then there's the public obsession with beauty and how their bodies look ect.ect. is any of that worthy of being glamorized the way it is? should it be held to a higher standard that the sex industry?

 

i think part of the problem stems from society's perception of sex, sexuality, and the human body. why should a natural process be seen as dirty and taboo. i mean, everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs about premarital sex ect, but like, it's not inherently wrong to have sex, or to film it, or to sell it if all parties involved give full consent .

 

tldr; at the end of the day, the goal of both industries is to "entertain" to make money. so what's really the difference? there's shady shit in both. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pleasure]

i just LOL at how they say this group is going to "taint" their industry... like all idols are innocent and pure, which clearly isn't true

[FactMan]

This user is really linking sexy concepts to porn and slavery

 

Brb going back to a sane neighborhood

[abra]

I guess I can see the issue of kids googling the members and getting porn results

[pooh_bear]

I think about this too

Idols do sell their bodies and a fantasy only difference is they aren't having sex. Even cute concepts have sexual aspects to them and some dances are literally fucking the ground.  It makes absolutely no sense to attack these girls for a legal career path that they chose.

[Traille]

I guess I can see the issue of kids googling the members and getting porn results

[icONGic]

This is the truth. 

 

How quickly we forget

[ESSON]

 

I guess I can see the issue of kids googling the members and getting porn results

[ethereal]

This user is really linking sexy concepts to porn and slavery

 

Brb going back to a sane neighborhood

firstly, i didn't mean literal slavery when i said they become "slaves to their fans". it's called a metaphor. and i didn't equate slavery to sexy concepts.... so maybe re-read if you're confused. but if we want to talk about actual slavery in kpop lets talk about the idols who had to work years without being paid because of the trainee debt they had to their companies. and not to mention those who sign slave contracts (a legit industry term btw in case you're confused again)  and end up only receiving a small percent of their income while the companies get way more after they get successful. 

 

also isn't "selling sex" a double entendre? that was my point. that it can be seen as literally having sex for money or selling a sexual image to the public. that's what i mean in drawing comparisons there. once again, maybe re-read so you can better understand the things that clearly went over your head

[Belkiss]

 there is a huge difference between sexy concepts,  being sexy, selling sex   and  being an actual porn star 

[ethereal]

I guess I can see the issue of kids googling the members and getting porn results

isn't porn "illegal" or smtg in korea anyway? so theoretically they wouldn't get porn results if they searched on naver.... but even beyond that, parents should be watching what young kids are doing on the internet. anyone around 15/16+ is old enough to see boobs and blurred genitals tbh. by then they should have had the sex ed that would make them curious about these things anyway.  

[ethereal]

 there is a huge difference between sexy concepts,  being sexy, selling sex   and  being an actual porn star 

as i explained above, i consider "selling sex" a double entendre. it can mean literally selling sex or selling a sexual image depending on what you're talking about. 

 

and i personally don't see the "huge differences" here. that was literally the whole point of this post. being sexual is being sexual. and NONE of it is wrong. 

[Faces]

when they have oppa singing sexual songs and caressing his crotch on music shows, I don't understand how the industry can be "tainted". the only difference is they're straight up about it and they're women

[12345xxx]

firstly, i didn't mean literal slavery when i said they become "slaves to their fans". it's called a metaphor. and i didn't equate slavery to sexy concepts.... so maybe re-read if you're confused. but if we want to talk about actual slavery in kpop lets talk about the idols who had to work years without being paid because of the trainee debt they had to their companies. and not to mention those who sign slave contracts (a legit industry term btw in case you're confused again)  and end up only receiving a small percent of their income while the companies get way more after they get successful. 

 

also isn't "selling sex" a double entendre? that was my point. that it can be seen as literally having sex for money or selling a sexual image to the public. that's what i mean in drawing comparisons there. once again, maybe re-read so you can better understand the things that clearly went over your head:)

Go in, sis

[☆*:｡Lemonade ｡:*☆]

Fans feel uneasy and in denial thinking about how there isnt much disparity between the AV industry and the idol industry especially when you blatantly show how a cutesy kpop idol could easily switch to become an AV actress and vice versa. It sort of ruins the image for a lot i think

Theyre probably mad because without all the noise about them being porn stars they literally can not differentiate them from other cutesy girl groups.  

 

Also its an open secret that some idols resort to sex to pay their debut debts or to score jobs behind the scenes. Its a sad reality but its true and its hard to accept. 

 

 

I think it wouldnt be as much of an issue if Honey popcorn did a sexy concept because then the target demographic is almost the same as when theyre AV actresses; horny men. But the thing is theyre doing a cutesy concept thats looks like its targeted towards younger people. We know how extreme fans can be when idolizing and they mgiht end up following everything they do even their JAV. its called stanning for a reason lol. With their reputation as AV actresses normally people automatically think theyre being kpop idols to sell sex and them doing a cutesy concept might be seen as them openly proving what a lot of people deny, that cutesy concepts are just sexy concepts wrapped in aegyo and frills. Its kind of like "how dare they..." 

 

this is all just "might be's" and not my personal opinions but what ive observed lol

[Kami]

Koreans are telling Honey Popcorn to get out of their country but imagine Japan retaliates and bans Kpop....

[☆*:｡Lemonade ｡:*☆]

also regarding this

 

 

 

i think part of the problem stems from society's perception of sex, sexuality, and the human body. why should a natural process be seen as dirty and taboo. i mean, everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs about premarital sex ect, but like, it's not inherently wrong to have sex, or to film it, or to sell it if all parties involved give full consent .

 

The porn industry isnt just about having sex and filming it. It perpetuates a lot of false ideas about sex and relationships. Also Its being looked down upon because of all the drugs and not so nice shit behind what we see. Like abuse and misogyny and a lot of porn stars dont like what they do. People may be open minded to sex and sexuality but condemn the porn industry I get why

[Stars&Stripes]

very nice point, I think one is more softcore, aka kpop whereas av is extreme

 

but kpop is all about sex, sometimes girls more than boys, but even guys with crotch moves and thrusts, let's face it. The innocent concept has the same shorts as the sexy concept if you verify, or the skirts are of the same length, maybe the moves are more age appropriate, but panties can be seen from all angles both for innocent and for sexy.

 

All I'm saying is that kpop isn't pure, fans should be aware of it, aside from dance or outfits, their lyrics have sexual connotations, maybe for internationals it seems more acceptable cause they don't understand what they're saying.

[tide]

by that logic all entertainment industries are comparable to the porn industry. which some would argue, and i wouldn't blame them. at the same time many would also argue therest still a huge difference between aoa and laysha even though they operate under the same premise.

 

there's a line and some feel like hp unbashedly crosses it. agree with it or not, korean idolhood still has an air of purity about it. whether people believe it or not, thats the reason why despite there being such a "dark underbelly" sex scandals are few and far in between and still very scandalous.

 

i have no problem with honey popcorn. i think they have one of the most impressive predebut era among any idols ive ever seen.

 

[ethereal]

also regarding this

 

The porn industry isnt just about having sex and filming it. It perpetuates a lot of false ideas about sex and relationships. Also Its being looked down upon because of all the drugs and not so nice shit behind what we see. Like abuse and misogyny and a lot of porn stars dont like what they do. People may be open minded to sex and sexuality but condemn the porn industry I get why

Oh no, I completely understand that. And there are definitely a lot of serious issues with the porn industries in every country with a very commercialized porn system like japan and the U.S., and even in not so commercialized ones. but the idol industry has some similar issues, doesn't it? there is embedded misogyny in the way girl groups and boy groups are treated and viewed, like the age old comparison of the difference in reactions between male and female sexy concepts. there are inaccurate portrayals of how people should look, which influences extreme diets among fans and idols in the industry. there are also many rumors and stories about idols being kind of pushed towards sponsors and escort esque work by their companies to make money, as well as some mental abuse of idols that probably goes on in some smaller companies. 

 

both industry's have issues that shouldn't be ignored. 

[Kami Nana]

lol They need to remind themselves of the tragedy of Jang Ja-yeon if they really think these girls are "tainting" the industry in Korea...

 

I guess I can see the issue of kids googling the members and getting porn results

That's what "Safe Search" is for and should be turned on...if not, that's the parent's fuck up.

[Nagi]

From my perspective, not rooting for them or being unsupported is completely fine. I don’t expect most people to support them in the first place because let’s face it, there’s and always will be a prejudice. But what I’m feeling unease about is how people straight up sexually harassing them, males and females alike. I even saw a comment that said it was weird to see them with clothes. That’s honestly so disgusting.

[aigoo]

LOL at the mess about this group. now im really hoping that they can be successful in SK.

[Mutantsloth]

It’s one thing to be mildly suggestive. It’s another to be altogether outright explicitly sexual. If I were a parent, I’ll be ok if my kid watches BTS and Exo do a couple of hip thrusting moves. There are way worse things you can see on TV. But no way will I be comfortable knowing that my 13 year old daughter stans pornstars. As a parent it’s not something I want openly promoted on television. I mean obviously kids are already curious, but why give them another reason to be more so?

 

I think as a whole Korea is still a very conservative country and I think it’s what makes the whole culture so charming. If you see the GGs that really do well are not those that are a lot more overtly sexual, but GGs that have a more pure concept like SNSD or Twice. And also even Korean dramas I think have gained so much popularity because it’s not hypersexualised like western drama. I think society still values ‘purity’ or innocence to that extent. I think even for myself in my early teens those stars that cross the line over from cute and sexy to trashy were just not attractive and offputting for me.

 

In a way I don’t think it’s wrong that the Korean public wants to ‘guard’ the industry in a way. Even tho we know everything is still subtlety suggestive in nature, it doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea to remove boundaries altogether.

 

 

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[Kami Nana]

It’s one thing to be mildly suggestive. It’s another to be altogether outright explicitly sexual. If I were a parent, I’ll be ok if my kid watches BTS and Exo do a couple of hip thrusting moves. There are way worse things you can see on TV. But no way will I be comfortable knowing that my 13 year old daughter stans pornstars. As a parent it’s not something I want openly promoted on television. I mean obviously kids are already curious, but why give them another reason to be more so?

 

I think as a whole Korea is still a very conservative country and I think it’s what makes the whole culture so charming. If you see the GGs that really do well are not those that are a lot more overtly sexual, but GGs that have a more pure concept like SNSD or Twice. And also even Korean dramas I think have gained so much popularity because it’s not hypersexualised like western drama. I think society still values ‘purity’ or innocence to that extent. I think even for myself in my early teens those stars that cross the line over from cute and sexy to trashy were just not attractive and offputting for me.

 

In a way I don’t think it’s wrong that the Korean public wants to ‘guard’ the industry in a way. Even tho we know everything is still subtlety suggestive in nature, it doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea to remove boundaries altogether.

 

 

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Mildly suggestive? Have we watched the same sexy concept K-pop videos(I mean all the 19+ rated ones..or even some of the 15+ ones)? Also, I hope that you watch what your kids do online and have safeguards in place to keep them from wandering into adult territory...like the "Safe Search" feature on Google I mentioned earlier.

 

lol I doubt they all value purity for wholesome reasons... Also, much of that appreciation is due to sex-negative views...which is psychologically harming in the long run.