Which male idols do you think are gay?

[raspberry84]

Tbh all these moments are staged too. It's because they've been partnered up in almost every latest gayo episode and Yoongi's strategy to stop them from arguing is to hold his hand lol.

 

But the fact that Yoongi's strategy is to hold Taehyung's hand kinda shows a change in their closeness. Along with him rolling his head onto Taehyung's leg later in that episode.

 

 

I think it's interesting to discuss their recent closeness for a few reasons. The first being that they tend to be the two members of BTS that almost everyone agrees are most likely LGBT. The second being that their closeness seemed to start around the time that Taehyung began to open up about his sexuality and become comfortable about it. I can't find the quote but I remember reading somewhere that they said they talked about some personal stuff on their Hawaii "date" and bonded. So as another user mentioned it's very possibly that they bonded over their shared queer experiences because they weren't close prior to the past few months.

Edited December 4, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I agree with this. You tend to get closer to someone who understands you more, and since this happened after Taehyung being more open about his sexuality makes you think that they became closer because they share the same struggles and experiences.

 

Do they have a thing? It's too early to tell, and frankly, I don't think so. I think it's more like a friendship and bond was formed because of how similar their situation are and how they can understand each others struggles.

 

Yeah, at this point I don't think anything past a close friendship is going on between the two. It especially seems platonic on Taehyung's side because I haven't seen anything to indicate non-platonic feelings. There has been a moment or two were Yoongi's actions could almost be read as if he had a crush/attraction but I honestly think that is just me not being use to seeing Yoongi acting this way with Taehyung and it's throwing me off.

[raspberry84]

Receipt: SHINEE KEY

Here are some translations of comments from different K-netizens (source instiz.net) who discussed an article from April 2012 that talked about an idol who frequently visits gay bars. Obviously those K-netizens are gay people or they know gay people who go to gay bars in Seoul, at least thats the feeling you get from their comments.

 

1. “it is well known that there are many gay idols who go to gay bars. For example, Key does.â€

 

2. “Onew would not, but i know about Key. He is there often in these unsafe (underground ?) places."

 

3. “People who go to gay bars have seen Key often. My friend has stood by many times while key was there. its is a wonder they manage to keep this hidden from the public."

 

4. “Shinee Key. it has to be.â€

 

5. “Key visits gay bars.â€

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer: I did not go to a Seoul Gay Bar  to fact-check this. i am not a journalist, nor do i write for a real news site. i found this on the net. i did not interview Key personally for 10 hours to get his version of the story. i did not contact SM Entertainment to get an official statement on this case. i am simply a Kpop fan posting what i find online in the "Gossip" section of OH forum. i post for fun. Please be aware of that. THANK YOU !

 

Yeah, it was pretty much an open secret in 2012 that Key was visiting gay bars on the regular. This was also around the time that he wore a lot of symbols on his clothing that were connected to the LGBT community.

 

Those rumors stopped becoming so common and it seemed like he frequented them less when he started dating Hyeongseop towards the end of 2012.

[raspberry84]

These fangirls on twiter  ......Sorry, but apart from Jin, one one in BTS is gay. 

 

-1st thing's 1st- Jungkook and Jimin have a very typical Korean cute younger brother/loving older brother rs. Plus they're both from busan and have many similar intrests.

 

-Jungkook is a whole ass straighy. Fanboys over IU in a vey straight way and gets super shy around girls.

 

-Jimin is probably dating a girl rn. He's the best at appealing to fangirls and seems to like female attention.

 

- Jhope, Taehyung and RapMon just don't ping at all. Everything about them seems super basic (in terms of sexuality).

.

- RM's probably a freak when it comes to girls.

 

- Suga's lyrics and statements are a matter of intrepertation. If you have a ''my oppa is gay agenda'' obviously you'll see it as gay. So no he's not the king of gays. He seems done with other guys all the time.

 

-I just wish fangirls stopped fetishizing them. It's not like you want them to be gay for their happiness. It's just fuel for you wet dreams.

 

 

Tell me about boys like Sehun, Daehwi, Jin, etc. then we're talking.

 

Jungkook - Yes, he fangirls over IU and most likely has a crush on her but he's done the same with male artists. Bisexuality/Pansexuality is a thing and Jungkook seems to fall into that category with a thing for musicians.

 

Jimin - Why do you think he's dating someone? Because I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he's in a relationship with anyone. Being attractive and having multiple people willing to date you doesn't mean you will date someone.

 

Taehyung & Yoongi - Both have written lyrics that are pretty heavy in their implications. Stigma is one that the LGBT narrative fits and makes the most sense and most people will acknowledge there isn't another theory that really fits as well based on what we know, the lyrics and how they've spoken about the song. Yoongi's lyrics..I mean, they're pretty point blank. And Yoongi seems done with most people all the time, he's got resting bitch face mixed with is personality? Yea. That's gonna happen.

 

Besides their lyrics, the recent closeness between Tae and Yoongi also seems to stand out to me that they're both open and bonded over their experience (closeness in Run episodes, matching/friendship jewelry, etc.). Someone else pointed out these two seem more connected with their sexuality and incorporate it into their writing than most. Granted this part is mostly speculation but the lyrics are pretty solid evidence.

 

Honestly, Jin doesn't ping me at all and I always put him in the straight category. It's not fetishizing to think other members are LGBT especially with some of the receipts they've provided.

Edited December 9, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I'm talking about twitter/tumblr fangirls in general, yes it is fetishizing. And those ''receipts''... Show me pls, maybe i'm missing somethign.

 

There are always going to be fans who fetishize however that doesn't mean everyone is speculates that the other 6 are lgbt is delsuional, fetishizing, etc. You are the one who stated that Jin was the only one who was possibly gay like it was a fact (without presenting any proof).

 

Use the search feature for this thread. All the receipts (plus many more) are there for what I said. We had a multiple pages discussion a few days ago about Jungkook's reaction to IU and other artists and the bi/pan implications of it (comparing his reaction to her to other artists, etc.). 

 

For Taehyung's Stigma....look at the lyrics? Again it's been discuss here at length. if you would like to provide me with a theory about what it's about I would love to hear it.

[raspberry84]

I don't pay much attention to him tbh, his mannerisms and the way he carries him self slightly ping, and compared to hhis bandmates that don't ping ta all that's a lot. But that was not even my main point, if he doesn't ping to you then be it.

 

So you don't follow him but you're basing this entirely on mannerisms (aka stereotypes based on sexism and homophobia) because the others seem straight to you.

 

Yeah.

 

Ok.

[raspberry84]

as far as I'm concerned he didn't say his tongue would make guys and girls come, that's a very weird translation.

 

The lyrics are:

 

''Like you all know my voice turns people on

Whether it be men or women

My flexible tongue movements will send them to Hong Kong"

 

"Going to Hong Kong" is slang for having an orgasm in Korean.

[raspberry84]

???  

 

Also, how is it homophobic to thing an enffeminate man pings? like that's the biggest crime a person could commit tf. 

 

You're basically picking and choosing which member of BTS is gay based on which one you think is most feminine using stereotypes that are rooted in homophobia and sexism.

 

Because of course the only lgbt member of a group must be the one who has more feminine mannerisms and likes pink. Couldn't possibly be any other members even if they write suggestive lyrics or talk at length and show significant involvement in media related to the LGBT community.

 

Edit: I'm still waiting for your explanation for Stigma.

Edited December 9, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

lmaaao army neg squad going strong. I thought I'd come here and find some level headed people who were also tired of the constant fetishizing of the boys but no, you all actually think 6/7 members are gay, Jikook are dating, suga gives blowjobs on sundays, Taehyug is a secret gay and Jin OH NO god forbid Jin being gay cause that's sooo cliché and also homophobic.

 

 

cool cool. Sorry for interrupting, you may carry on.

 

You're getting negged because you came into a thread were it's expected that you bring receipts that go beyond 'IDK, his mannerisms?"

 

You are also getting negged because you're ignoring all the evidence being provided.

 

I am still waiting for you to explain Stigma to me but you are ignoring this yet continuing to act like it's delusional to view that song as being LGBT themed.

[raspberry84]

I didn't come here to say jin was gay. Yall put me on the spot, and to me the most plausible gay think about the dude are his mannerisma other than that he seems straight.

 

I'll reserach it and come back to you ;)

 

Your original post included you specifically saying no one in BTS was gay except Jin. 

 

If you think someone is gay you have reasons, you shouldn't need to prepare. The reasons you gave use were your reasons when you made that comment and we pointed out how flawed those reasons were. Which was ironic considering the rest of your post was calling out fans for assuming the other members were gay without any good reason or proof.

Edited December 9, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Phrasical misintrepertation. Do yall in your right minds really think he'd be dumb to the point of outing himself in korea?

 

Im not here to crash anyone's hopes, but use your brains.

 

Look, we live in a society where you should know that it's easy to live in the glass closet. People will assume straight until specifically told otherwise and overlook super obvious things. If you don't know what to look for it usually don't faze anyone.

 

Heechul did a livestream when he was in bed naked with Gunhee. Gunhee also kissed him on that variety show. 

 

Jonghyun wrote an ode to sucking dick and his recent album was almost 100% gender neutral.

 

Key ran around wearing rainbows, LGBT symbols and being a regular at gay bars for a year along with him not so subtly dating that male mode the following year. Now you have Key publicly suggesting that Jonghyun's songs are about him, calling him "the one who loves me most," wearing the ring/bracelet Jonghyun bought him nonstop since, etc.

 

Yet all it takes is a once yearly 'I'm not gay!' comment and fangirls look the other way.

 

So yeah. I think Yoongi could feel safe saying that. This is also the group that didn't correct the interviewer who (possibly) misinterpreted RM's answer and suggested one of them was LGBT in his next question along with RM saying Her is about all types of love, including gay couples. 

Edited December 9, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I honestly don't think all bts members are gay either 

I don't follow them closely, but the only one that pings me is V and maybe Suga because of some things he said so I wouldn't be surprised if he is bi, but are you guys seriously telling me that only Jin and Jhope are the only ones that are straight? 

 

just out of curiosity what makes you think Jhope is straight for example? 

All members of BTS get discussed and there is speculation about each but it's rare for someone here to think they're all LGBT. There are just very differing opinions here.

 

I personally think Taehyung is gay and Yoongi is bi/pan. Lately I've started to speculate that Jungkook is bi/pan as well. So 2/3 out of the 7 for me. 

 

It's more that lately we've had a lot of fangirls coming in here all offended and upset at the idea of even suggesting their oppa might be gay. It's tiring and I think people are just tired of it here. Even with BTS there is a lot of discussion about who we think is straight and why in that group.

 

It only becomes more a problem when people start insisting an idol is straight.

Edited December 10, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

^ ok fair enough but can someone talk about J-hope? I'm actually curious about him.

I have to tell you at first glance, he pinged me I'm a bit surprised you guys say he is the most likely to be straight why is that?

if it wasn't for Suga's lyrics or things he had implied in the past he wouldn't have pinged me as bi at all. But he is probably someone who might want to date someone based on personality more than gender I suppose. 

 

There is a pretty big difference between J-Hopes stage persona and who he actually is when the cameras stop rolling. He's a hard one for me to speculate on just because we don't really know what he's normally like in everyday life. Everything we see has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[raspberry84]

it's a pity he seems someone that could have a lot of potential to be discussed here since my gaydar is telling me something lol. He intrigues me personality-wise and like I said at first glance he kind of pinged me but hey I could be wrong I don't know much about him.

I do wish we knew more about him because I agree that would be an interesting conversation to have (in general i always like comparing someone's stage persona to who they really are).

 

And he's pinged for me as well, stage persona and all. Like the above mentioned moment when he almost said he wanted a boyfriend. He's just very guarded in front of cameras so the moments are few and far between.

[raspberry84]

I didn't woke up to read this bullshit.. The person obviously sounded really aggressive and she baited some of you guys to derail her. This is why I hate having that group being discussed here like really. While I do believe that a certain percentage of their fan base thinks wisely and is rational I just find allot of them being hypocrite assholes who sits on the computer watching/reading BTS activities/fanservice. Then will claim "I know fucking everything about bts since they're fucking born and you guys are delusional!!,OPPA WILL MARRY ME". I'm in serious disbelief on how toxic the fanbase is like not even in the subject of "lgbt" but even outside of that. Gosh darn and those fans have the guts to say why bts "feels" not welcomed to be discussed here when these guys are the spreading toxicity. From my point of view these fans are the cause why most kpop fans that has been in the long run is getting stressed of BTS. To be honest I find them as a really great group these fans are the ones that making me stray away from BTS themselves.. like most of the people in these thread(or outside) are old kpop fans and they can obviously feel how obnoxious and toxic A.R.M.Y is.

 

I would like just for everyone to ignore BTS defeding post. Don't try to reply to those, don't get baited, neg them if you want but don't get baited you guys lost once that happens. Let the idiots be idiot if they don't want to be corrected, they want you to agree with them with their lack of knowledge and will continue to argue with it. If you guys think you're smart then don't reply to it."She should know what's happening" doesn't work on me we have search function and the fact that they don't use it means they wont try to understand our point in the first place. Like again please read the thread's title I lost the function to see who's wrong when both sides have they're cons. Try listening to yourselves and wonder "why is this bullshit still going on". I just wanted this thread to be filled with receipts really and good discussions. Other can fuck off.

 

 

To be fair, I looked at her profile and she (?) seems like a regular in the Lesbian thread and appears to be a lesbian herself. So despite the original tone of her post, I think this conversation could have gone very differently. I think people just immediately flashed back to the straight OPPA ISN'T GAY fangirls so quickly.

 

 

[raspberry84]

me: *starts post by specifically saying ''these twitter fangirls i swear''*

 

yall: ''omgg stfuuuu you homophobic heteronormative bitch! suga makes man come with his tongue!''

 

 

 

Putting my reply under spoiler for those who want to move on

 

 

To preface this, I want to clarify that I'm a lesbian because I feel the homophobic part of this was directed at me. 

 

I pointed out the stereotypes you were basing your entire read of BTS on is rooted in both sexist and homophobic stereotypes. Being a lesbian (or any other variety of queer woman) does not mean that you can't hold homophobic views towards gay men in the same way that gay men can have homophobic views on lesbians. Hell, look at the hot mess of biphobia that comes from the gay/lesbian community. Don't get me started on transphobia. Most of this isn't rooted in actual bigoted viewpoints but ignorance.

 

I simply wanted you to stop, look at your reasoning. You don't need to agree that other members are gay/bi/pan but I would hope you could at least understand why some people here have those reads on them. Especially with some of the receipts we have.

 

Speaking of which, have you had a chance to look into Stigma yet? Because to me that is still one of the heaviest pieces of evidence there is for Taehyung.

 

[raspberry84]

Oh really? How come I never see you in the lesbian thread? Come share your theories with us there sis

About sigma...Yeah I do...I'd rather not talk here I dont feel comfortable. Pm if you wanna talk.

 

I started a new career a few years ago and life got crazy busy, I really only had time to follow BTS and Shinee up until recently. I'll probably start showing up there soon though because I'm getting back into girl groups (Pristin, Blackpink, Red Velvet, Twice, I.O.I....and remembering my love for Hyuna.)

 

I'll PM you to discuss Stigma because I think that is definitely an interesting song.

 

Edit: I tried to message you but it said you weren't accepting any new messages.

Edited December 10, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Key is never going to stop wearing the ring Jonghyun got him, is he?

[raspberry84]

 

 

Uuuh no. The n word was mainly used in America, does that mean that people in Korea can use it as an alternative way to refer to black people? Hell no. Slurs are slurs no matter where they're used. I'm happy for Hansol and all, and I don't wanna start discourse, but he's not attracted to the same gender, nor he's trans or nonbinary. Internet exists and he can -and should- educate himself about the actual meaning of the word and why he shouldn't be using it. Tons of people who are same gender attracted or trans/nb are still uncomfortable with that word, so I don't see why Hansol, an aroace boy, should be using it when referring to himself and to the lgbt community in general.

 

 

 

 

Problem is even the internet isn't in agreement on most of this.

 

If you ask people in the lgbt community if people who are aromantic or asexual should be included in our community you'll get different answers. There are plenty out there who would say yes, they're part of it because it includes anyone who isn't heterosexual/romantic and therefore they can also reclaim the word queer.

 

Others would disagree.

 

[raspberry84]

I dont give a shit sweetie. Its not gay peoples problem to coddle and welcome everyone into our spaces especially when the majority of aroace people are just as homophobic as the straight people they claim to be so different from. Aroace people arent the ones being actively banned from media and threatened with death for not being straight so no sweetie it is not the same. I cant believe you even tried comparing being ace to being gay. I wish my biggest problem was people not believing I'm gay

 

And lesbian and gay men can and are biphobic (just as much, if not more). People who are gay/bi/pan can and are extremely transphobic. The LGBT/Queer community can be a mess with how we relate to each other a lot.

 

I say this as a lesbian: This is not a competition about who has it worse. It's not the discrimination olympics. There are varying levels of discrimination for anyone who isn't heterosexual/romantic. 

[raspberry84]

Yes and queer stil isnt their term to reclaim. Its ours and just because a few of you want to let non heterosexual but non lgbt people appropriate it doesnt mean the rest of us do. Also the fact you just implied gay people are the biggest "meanies" in the community just told me all I need to know about you. Maybe you should leave the internet sometime and see what its really like for gay people overall in this world. Not just 1st world counties either

 

I would suggest you actually look into the history of the word queer, who is applies to and how it has been used academically for around four decades now.

 

And I never said that gay people are the "biggest meanies" in the community, I brought up the fact that bigotry and discrimination exists within other parts of the community because your argument was people who are asexual can be homophobic and acted like that was exclusive to their part of the community.

 

Please stop being so condescending, it's not a good look. 

[raspberry84]

I have every right to be condescending considering youre giving me nothing but bs. Queer in our community originated as a slur against lgbt people and the opinions on that word have been divided since before those "four decades". I could link you plenty of thinkpieces that back up my views. Queer isnt this all inclusive widely accepted academic word/concept that you make it out to be and plenty of members of the lgbt community disagree with non lgbt people using the word for themselves. That is fact.

 

There are also people within the community who include asexuals and are fine with them using the word. There isn't a right answer here and it's a debated topic.

 

My problem here isn't your stance but how condescending you are acting and attacking anyone who doesn't fall on your side of the issue. I'm done with this conversation because clearly we're not going to change each other's minds and I personally don't have time for another condescending man.

[raspberry84]

Everyone still watches it lol idols even talk about it without any shame and jav stars have a huge following

 

I just remember the time the rest of Shinee outed Taemin for locking himself in the bedroom with their laptop.

[raspberry84]

I'm having a really hard time with this news. I don't think it's a secret how much Jonghyun meant to me and how much I loved him.

 

I had the third part of the Jongkey analysis almost finished and some lyric analysis from his last two albums but those are cancelled...probably for good.

 

I haven't decided if I'm going to take a break from here and KPop for a while. I'm gonna wait and see how i feel tomorrow.

[raspberry84]

We all appreciated your JongKey analyses, they were thoughtful and respectful. They are still valid but I'm sure everyone understands if you want to put them on hold.

 

Take your time; find support if you need it, whether that's here or with real time friends/family; take a break if need be, just don't isolate yourself to a point that's destructive. It will still hurt tomorrow, but maybe just a smidge less. Also check the Shinee thread, lots of support there. 

 

Thank you.

 

Maybe one day I'll come back to them but right now it's to painful to even consider.

 

My heart is honestly breaking for his friends and family. I'm especially worried for Key with the 15 hour flight he's on having to deal with this basically alone. I know not everyone was in agreement on what their relationship was but it was obvious they were extremely close. i've posted so many times about how Key was wearing the ring/bracelet Jonghyun bought him nonstop and we know that he had feelings for him in the past. 

 

A part of me honestly hopes I was wrong about my Jongkey speculation right now just to spare Key that type of pain. Not that he wouldn't be in pain if they weren't together but you know what I mean.