Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Jimin and Sungwoon getting jikookers pressed enough to come out of the dark, their power

also this is hilarious, after some said that Jimin's outing with that Saeon guy was "more sus" than his friendship with Sungwoon when he's just another one of the long list of Sungwoon's friends who became Jimin's as well:

 

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6 hours ago, Chika Chika said:

Yes, he had a different name when signing up for produce I also want to tell you that he became famous on the show for his nose. The audience/ judges saw his face on the screen and went . The literally asked him 'Is that your real nose?' and he punched his nose and showed them that he never got anything done on his nose and they liked his visuals. I never found Saeon sus only because we never even had anything of his in the first place. It is with 'Light On Me' that he got famous and now people atleast have some source material to be looking at. Even at produce he didn't have a lot of screen time.

Is sungwoon discussed here frequently?

Nope, not since Wanna One at least and I don't remember much being said about him, except that he is a men magnet maybe (example:

 

Also Heechul had to fluster the wanna one members for a game and he used his gay rumors for Sungwoon and Daehwi (could be something):

I just pointed out his long-standing relationship with Jimin because... well why not? 

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2 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Hmm Sehun dating rumor. But coincidentally with the person he played in the movie. It smells like too much PR move.

 

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6 hours ago, starry_night said:

btw i only posted that sungwoon x jimin bs becuz i wanted to get my reputation over 0, and yall fell for it lmaoo

a good troll doesn't out-troll themselves

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26 minutes ago, themistoo said:

A man and a (19 yo might i add but idk) woman sitting next to each other and having a convo about we don't even know what is somehow an indicator of them being straight.

I'm not saying it's you in particularly but some fans are holding onto any interaction Taehyung has with women for dear life as proof of him not being lgbt. 

Is it possible that he isn't? Sure, of course, but him normally conversing with women isn't an indicator of that, and we have lots of proof stating the opposite.

Also. Bisexual people exist. Actually I think there even might be more lgbt people who are attracted to both sexes and those who are only attracted to the same sex

I'm pretty sure they didn't even say any actual word/sentence, that's just how good they both were.

But hey, fair enough, we go there each time Taehyung has interactions with women and I think it's because of his naturally intense gaze (not only fans, I feel like some female interviewers have also misunderstood his intentions sometimes). It's up for interpretation, I guess, anyone's free to see what they want to see after all.

Personally, my belief that Taehyung's gay is only strengthened. He called Lady Gaga his queen (and given Holland's reaction, it's as much of a big deal in SK).

 

Also fun little addition to Yoongi in Vegas, when asked about who they wanted to collab with, he said Lady Gaga.

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11 hours ago, Chika Chika said:

I want to know a list of people that everyone here think are straight but you think are gay/bi.

Personally I'm not entirely sold on manipulative-straight Heechul: Heechul/Momo is not convincing ; being filmed naked in bed with and by another man is a bit much to just "spread gay rumors as a cover-up" ; gay rumors are not something you would use in SK to hide playboy rumors, which are actually less harmful to one's reputation ; and having been into kpop for a while back in around 2008/2010 then from 2015, I have trouble thinking that the SNSD members would have been close friends with him like they are if he was this cunning with women, same for Hong Seokcheon. For me, he went back into the closet. 

Idk if it's that unpopular of an opinion (it was on this thread at some point) but I think that Jeonghan's gay.

At some point I wondered about GOT7 JB who went from borderline homophobic to openly unconventional (and the whole GOT7 hyung line emits a certain vibe when they're around each other, idk how to explain it) but I haven't been following them lately, so I can't really confirm that opinion.

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I've opened the floodgates, wow

Welll, this is my personal opinion (and like I said I'm just not entirely sold yet, there's something off). Anyone can read the situation as they please.

But I'll just say one thing: PR relationships and bearding are not conspiracy theories. As a rule, I'm personally doubtful about any couple announced by Dispatch and their companies that we never see acting like a couple once afterwards (at least in the US they try to pretend, even though it can provide a Shawn/Camilla shitshow when they're bad at it), especially when you compare with an actual couple like Hyuna and Edawn, or even Joy and Crush, where all involved people made personal statements about it directly to their fans.

And if you think it's harmful because of fan hate: SM's place at the top never suffered because of Kai/Krystal or Baekhyun/Taeyeon. Most entertainment companies don't care about idols' personal reputation and groups' longetivity, they build a company brand. It could even be on purpose to draw fans away from their favorite idols while they prepare a new group (Baekhyun/Taeyeon was before Red Velvet's debut, Kai/Krystal before NCT debut, Jihyo/Daniel before ITZY debut, Momo/Heechul before NMIXX debut) but that, on the other hand, is a conspiracy theory (probably).

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Clearly some of you didn't know Heechul pre-knowing bros. He was literally the 1st idol to be openly supportive of LGBT. He was publicly close friends with Hong Seokcheon when no one else was:

Like, Heechul walked so Jo Kwon could run. And I'm not talking about a few instances. He was consistent in mannerism, cross-dressing, voicing his support for more than 10 years. And he did that when no one else did. It's hard to find because twitter wasn't a thing (there are videos on yt though) but he was constantly asked and ridiculed for his long hair and feminine mannerism, and he didn't give a shit, more savage than Key himself. At some point they started bugging him with gay innuendos and allegations, and he embraced it without denying, ever. For ten years. He wasn't the man that he have become on Knowing Bros.

He progressively started turning his gay rumors into a joke on the show, he suddenly denied he was gay for the 1st time ever, then his friends started saying that he was making them up because he was actually a womanizer and coincidentally for the 1st time throughout a 15 years career, he gets caught with a girl, proving that he is indeed a womanizer (thank you dispatch). But his friends didn't use to say that about him:

And that's without even mentioning that right after military, he introduced Gunhee to the world and basically built a glass closet. Gunhee is a childhood friend that he met again later in life. Heechul hired him as his hairdresser and basically started showing him off.

https://myglassesaregay.tumblr.com/post/116585632345/hey-do-you-mind-explaining-whats-going-on-with

That was their first public interaction btw.

They didn't stop mentioning each other after Momo/Heechul but they did stop posting these and started calling each other "best friends" (they're both around 38 years old btw).

You're gonna tell me that Hong Seokcheon, the first openly gay man on television and one of the few public advocate of LGBT in SK, would still be close friends with Heechul like he still is to this day, if Heechul was really using a gay image to hide womanizer tendencies, when it's so dangerous in SK to be open about it, when it almost cost Seokcheon his career? 

But sure it wasn't a PR move, the relationship harmed his career:

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/02/heechul-says-people-will-no-longer-mistake-his-friendships-for-romantic-relationships

Now even this thread thinks he's straight (also "ahead of dispatch" what even?)

And I'm not even saying I'm sure of myself, like I don't know! I just think after all he's done and said, much more than most of our faves, a LGBT precursor in the entertainement industry, in a strongly homophobic country, it's hard to believe the shitshow that has been going on for the past 2,3 years. And I mean, he could still be a mysoginistic asshole all the same, and it would be pretty disappointing that he went back to the closet after everything just for his career. And if it was a PR move, I sure hope that Momo had a say in this. But I thought that this thread would at least try seeing past what we're being told. Looks like Twitter's cancel culture has reached this place though.

EDIT: also Heechul spotted in Kyoto in 2017 is full of "allegedly" and widely taken out of proportion (he was in Kyoto with a bunch of friends, a waiter/tress said they had seen him and Momo at their cafe and people started saying that it was a date, that he was there to visit Momo's family when for all we know, it wasn't even true or they could have just taken that coffee because they were in the same town in Japan, they were friends back then)

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59 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

At this point I don't even care if Heechul is gay or bi or straight, he's been creepy towards female idols (and underage ones too) in the past. The truth is that people who claim Heechul and Momo were PR never seem to come up with a good explanation of what would Momo gain by this. Because she gained absolutely nothing. Like others have said, she had no lesbian rumors (maybe only internationally, but international fans think all idols are gay anyway) and I highly doubt she was being blackmailed by anyone. The only alternative here (if we presume Heechul is gay) is that she was his beard and she didn't even know it, but I doubt Heechul would be cruel enough to do that to her.

Helping a friend out? Money? Promise of gigs or a career after/if Twice disbands? Being forced or coaxed into it by her boss because JYP wanted to appear in Knowing Bros and kept being denied? There could be many reasons actually. Also people call Heechul a creep and a fetishist solely because of his relationship with Momo it seems. Because they met when she was still underage and international fans also took that out of proportion, questioning every time he fanboyed over a girlgroup. He's actually always been deemed "one of the safest", sometimes "feels like a sister to me" by most female idols:

Also idk what this thing about his mother and a chinese wife is (is it about his "We Got Married" chinese wife?). Personally, that's what I've seen his mother say (basically that Heechul doesn't want to get married): https://www.koreaboo.com/news/heechul-mother-son-marriage-dating/ Or is it about the chinese actress's daughter who said that her coat and purse looked better on him?

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34 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

All those reasons sound stupid as fuck LMAO. JYP doesn't need Momo to appear on Knowing Bros. When they admitted their relationship Twice was far from disbanding, it would make more sense if they got into a PR relationship now when Twice is on their last year. Money... lmao. If it was about helping a friend out Heechul has female friends that he's closer to than Momo. Again, Momo gains absolutely nothing here.

And I call him a creep bc of his fawning over Sohee when she was underage.

This? (she's not even underage here btw)

Or the fact that he was just a genuine fan and haters put a lusting label on his appreciation for no reason? 

 

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6 minutes ago, AstroBaby said:

The OP of the original translation is active fanaccount/translator but they deleted the OP without clarification....wonder why. Also this was from 2014 when most of the kpop community thought of Heechul as the unproblematic one and wouldn't have reason to make stuff up about him.

He also said this: 

And saying that his mom is disappointed that he's "obsessed with foreign women" is a huge reach when he's basically being cheeky about not having a korean gf to his mom who clearly wants him to have a gf.

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3 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

In 2018 he said she has been his ideal type for 10 years. How old do you think Sohee was in 2008?

He said that she was "an oasis through that time" (as in "hard time") while the other KB cast made a fuss about him being nervous and pushed an "ideal type world cup" on him when he had literally just said "no, it's not like that".

 

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5 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

 if "everyone" antis your faves, it might be your faves that are the problem. but anyway, 

i'm confused by it as well. forget Heechul can we talk about Daehwi? bcs, tbh i haven't kept up with him super closely since Wanna One, but from what i've seen he tends to downplay his flamboyance and he's explicitly denied his gay rumors multiple times. ... i know this is controversial and brave, but what if Daehwi really is str8?  lmao. fr tho if anyone has recent receipts of him being fruity i'd love to see it cuz as far as i'm concerned his little gay spirit was squashed on Produce 101 < / 3 

He is gay, he just lives in a homophobic country and he cautiously backtracked imo. given who korean males have elected as president, I think these past few years must have seen a rise in misogyny and homophobia, also the reason why I'm emitting doubts about Heechul. Jo Kwon also has denied he was gay for the 1st time in his career https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/04/jo-kwon-says-he-was-hurt-by-people-making-assumptions-about-his-sexuality and on knowing bros too (it might be why Holland seemed so touched by Tae with Gaga, as if he was bold/brave: for current SK, maybe he was)

 

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3 minutes ago, mEeEeE said:

Didn’t Leeteuk hit on a 13-year old Yoona when he was 20?

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

 

Back in 2019 Sungwoon said Jimin and him wished to collab but added "wouldn't it be possible after we both complete military?" And fans thought that it was a weird condition/restriction (Yoongi had no issue collabing with Suran, IU, Yijeong or Nihwa; RM with Younha or Epik High; Tae with his friend Peakboy; even Jimin with Taemin).

A dance teacher also posted pics of the two of them (+ W1 Jinyoung) but deleted them quickly and it came at a time where Jimin stopped mentioning the padding squad, stopped posting on social media altogether, and Sungwoon's statement seriously triggered Jimin solo stans at the time, who felt like Jimin was unfairly restricted compared to other members (not saying it was the case but it shows how out-of-the-ordinary this "restriction" was).

Well, food for thoughts (it's a bit much in a short period to be all coincidental, but there could be many different explanations). Sungwoon mentioning military in this context was kind of strange though. And I wonder what changed that it's now possible.

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1 hour ago, jay94 said:

I honestly have always seen Sungwoon and Jimin as friends. They're too alike for me to look at their relationship as something more than that. 

 

1 hour ago, Josaline said:

I think the reason why Sungwoon says that is because members of popular groups usually start their solo practice after enlistment. He probably thought that Jimin's solo work would also start after the military. But now the group is likely to be exempted from military service and it looks like they've started to put a little more emphasis on their solo work, especially in the last year, including their solo Insta accounts.

I have no particular opinion about them as of yet, I'm just watching because they are extremely close (especially as Sungwoon's closest friends somehow all become Jimin's closest friends) and because I think that Jimin might not be straight (I used to follow Sungwoon but I didn't have a strong opinion on him). And it changes from the usual BTS topics ^^ 

It's all up to interpretation of course, but I do find interesting that fans are quicker to question an eventual relationship between Tae and Bogum (for much less) or even between Yoongi and Yijeong, and I kinda feel like it's because Sungwoon is 8cm smaller than Jimin, cute rather than handsome, and it's not the kind of man that fans want to ship Jimin with (I'm talking about the fandom in general, not about people who put thoughts into it before forming an opinion).

 

BTS members released collabs and solo projects regularly since 2016, Jimin included (BTS songs, collab dances, but also covers or Promise for examples) so I don't see why Sungwoon would have thought that Jimin didn't do solo work in 2019? He knew about Jimin's song Promise:

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10 hours ago, LostChild said:

This show had a hundred contestants so it’s normal that around a dozen would not be straight.

 

Unrelated but I noticed that when it comes to 3rd gen and 4th gen boygroups, a lot more members are seen as lgbt compared to 2nd gen boygroups. Back in the day, fans would see one or two members, max three, as gay/bi regardless of the group’s size but now there are bands where half of the guys are viewed as lgbt. I wonder what changed.

Because it’s still the same for girlgroups, aside from rare cases like Twice or Loona who have many shippers, people don’t seriously view more than one or two girls in a group as lgbt.

Hmm... I don't really agree that previous gen had less discussed members per group.

Like in Super junior, people used to speculate about Sungmin, Heechul, Ryeowook, Eunhyuk, Zhoumi and Donghae (even Siwon and Leeteuk as deeply closeted). So 6/8 out of the 12 current members

TVXQ: Jaejoong, Yunho, Junsu and Changmin (4 out of 5)

Bigbang: GD, TOP and Seungri (yes, you read that right, he had a popular ship with GD)

Shinee: Key, Jonghyun, Taemin and Minho (out of 5)

Nuest: Ren, Jonghyun, Baekho (shipped with Bumzu) and Minhyun (out of 5)

BtoB: Sungjae, Minhyuk, Hyunsik, sometimes Peniel and Eunkwang (out of 7)

Well most 2nd gen fans have disappeared to tell the tales but there was just as much, if not more speculation than now. Like idols kissed open-mouthed and grinded against each other (and made it look believable), made kdramas as lovers, squealed and blushed at shippers' fanfictions... It was the origin of shipping in kpop for a reason.

2PM (promoted as "macho men") or Block B (promoted as "real hip hop") didn't have much speculation going on. Actor members of groups were also generally less talked about because they usually didn't have the idol image. It's a question of fans' perception imo.

I think that speculations of certain members died because with experience, idols stop doing fanservice. They also get a bit realer with their personalities and relationships with members. That's when fans realize that their opinions of some idols only relied on shipping and/or idol persona. Without fanservice, fake aegyo and flower boy persona blurring the codes, there are just less members left to speculate about. Even 3rd gen idols have less and less members speculated about with time (Chanyeol, Kai, DO, Scoups, Wonwoo, Woozi or Jhope for examples).

This will happen with 4th Gen groups at some point too and I think that 3rd gen groups are still not done "deconstructing" their images either.

Well, that's my take on it.

 

Disclaimer: I never thought that all those idols were LGBT. Those are just names that I saw being regularly speculated on this thread or other platforms by their fans.

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On 4/26/2022 at 11:32 AM, LostChild said:

Tbh I forgot about half of these dudes’ existence (no offense) so that’s maybe why it seemed less to me. And I really don’t remember people genuinely speculating on Changmin, the consensus on him has always been « straight as a ruler ».

But I agree with you overall, idol persona and ships contribute to the speculation on most male idols. When their group activities get more sparse, the discussion around them tend to lessen. For 3rd gen groups, I think this has already happened with EXO and GOT7 who used to be everywhere in this thread but are now rarely talked about.

Then I must have mistaken Changmin for someone else  which one was Key's best friend, allegedly seen in gay districts? (I checked and it was Infinite Woohyun, my bad! I definitely overlooked Infinite in my little throwback, when a whole Sungjong exists!)

 

On 4/26/2022 at 3:53 AM, AstroBaby said:

I agree with your post overall but I'm a little confused about what all these idols have in common, Chanyeol stopped being speculated about for obvious reasons also

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the guy bi chanyeol truthers were convinced he was dating/sus around was revealed to also be total creep lol

Woozi and Jhope stopped being talked about bc they avoid fanservice and in general give off straight vibes, but the middle 4 (even Kai) I think are still discussed just not as frequently unless I'm missing something.

to be fair those are just the ones that came on top of my mind  but there are more and probably better examples. they were definitely talked about a lot more and they made consensus as "probably gay" (not just on this thread, in general too). today the consensus within fans is that Kai, DO, Wonwoo and Scoups are "not likely to be gay". it does not mean that they're not discussed anymore, just that when they are, it's usually considered as not that common of an opinion.

- Kai used to be considered the most convincing half of the Kai/DO ship and at some point fans found him to be the most obviously gay one in EXO (more than Sehun or Baekhyun). Then Kai/Krystal and Kai/Jennie happened and most fans changed their opinion about him (also because of bi erasure, shippers do not want to see their idol with girls). I do feel like he started to be discussed again in the past few years though, when fans finally got over the Kai/DO ship.

-  DO was discussed specifically because of his relationship with Kai. So when Kai got less talked about, it was worse with him. He's an example of image perception, as I'm sure it was because of his actor persona. I do remember that people on this thread found it interesting when he enlisted 3 years earlier than mandatory just to go with Xiumin  I'm personally not well-versed enough in EXO to speculate about that though.

- Scoups was talked about through his ship with Jeonghan, Wonwoo through his ship with Mingyu. It was widely thought that Scoups had a genuine crush on Jeonghan and Mingyu/Wonwoo were thought to be as possibly real (definitely more popular) as Vernon/Seungkwan. But they've both been reduced as "just fanservice" by most people since. I think that Wonwoo and Scoups are examples of idols being first and foremost speculated through a shipping perspective.

 

on a general note:

I feel like 2nd gen fanservice was over-played, even ridiculed at times, so fans quickly realized that it was fake. Since 3rd gen, fanservice has been more nuanced and realistic, so it's become hard to tell that it's still, in fact, fanservice. It's so anchored in kpop fandom culture that now idols HAVE to display sexual or romantic attraction to members to be considered LGBT, when in reality attraction is easy to conceal, is usually concealed by adults in ordinary settings (especially by gay men in a homophobic environment) and easy to act out by performers/actors. But even when they're not good at fanservice (have natural reactions to invasion of their space or show signs of discomfort) fans interpret those as "gay panics"...

Actual relationships look more like marriage than highschool/college flings (in a broad, exaggerrated way). Fans tend to over-romanticize and over-sexualize idols and their relationships (with anyone, really). If two of your friends were to be secretly dating, you wouldn't be able to tell because of "lust in their eyes" or "uncontrollable display of possessiveness/jealousy". You would more likely catch them because of hints that they see and know each other more than they let on. I don't know why most fans seem unable to envision idols in the reality.

Also late 3rd gen and 4th gen idols are teenagers/YA who are discovering themselves (as cheesy as it may sound) and they can be displaying signs of being LGBT without it meaning that they are, that they identify as such or will choose to live as such in a homophobic country. Early 3rd gen and 2nd gen idols are adults: they have chosen to live their life a certain way already (for the time being anyway). So I think that's why there seem to be more LGBT candidates in recent groups than older ones, it's also a matter of age and choices that they've made.

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On 4/27/2022 at 12:44 AM, AstroBaby said:

 that makes sense they were all definitely analyzed in relation to their ships and most fell into that trope of being seen as 'gay for x' instead of actually liking men in general especially jeongcheol where Scoups was seen as the straight one and Jeonghan as the actually gay one, when (imo) it's more likely the opposite based on Scoups other interactions with men. And both sides of kaisoo speculation have died down along with the ship as D.O is a respected actor and surrounded by the gf and auntie fans that come with that, and Kai has had his scandals. Although bi Kai discussions have gone back up I think, I've noticed a lot of those convos tend to be attached to Taekai but that could just be what I see on my sns as an Shawol.

When I followed Seventeen closely enough to make a guess, I personally thought that Jeonghan was more likely to be gay or bi than Scoups.

It's kind of funny because people always seem to think LGBT Jeonghan is/was a popular opinion but it never was. From the beginning, everyone was "unpopular opinion but I actually think Jeonghan's not gay" like people assumed that fans would equate long hair with gayness when actually most fans never did. Seungcheol was considered the convincing one while Jeonghan's emotionally distant, over-the-top fanservice made him more likely to be straight for fans (also a case of idols being judged through their ability to pull fanservice off convincingly, which is a misused indicator of sexuality in my opinion). 

But about Kai recent discussions, I do agree that it's often tied with Taemin (not just as a ship, also just because they're friends).

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4 hours ago, AstroBaby said:

/I disagree, one of the most popular video guides to seventeen at the time literally called Jeonghan the 'the gay one' and there wasn't much pushback against it, and the '95 line was always portrayed as two flirty twinks + Scoups in the middle. Ofc there are going to be a large number of people saying a idol is straight and JH wasn't the most speculated one in the group, but definitely more than Scoups which is what I was comparing it to. Maybe the popular opinion in this thread was the opposite but I don't think that represented the wider fandom.

Maybe it was just this user? idk cause I was there from their debut till 2019/2020 and I'm pretty sure of myself on this. There was a lot of "xxx is gay for Jeonghan" / "that's gay" memes about his most fanservice-y moments, but there weren't talks of him actually being LGBT. Some people genuinely thought that Seungcheol was bi/bicurious because they were sure that he was attracted to Jeonghan, but most were unsure about Jeonghan whether on forums, twitter or tumblr (to be fair I didn't consume much fandom culture on youtube, only the groups' content). Well, it's just an anecdote that I mentioned in passing, it doesn't mean much.

Jhope was definitely the first and most discussed member in 2013 and he stayed labeled as the "obvious gay one" for some time, so he sure was more talked about than Scoups  But I get your point. Like I said, those are just examples that came on top of my mind. My point was just that the older groups get, the lesser their sexuality is questioned and scrutinized like it is in their first years, and I think it's because most shippers learn to move on at some point (with maybe the exception of BTS but they keep gaining new fans who have to go through the whole process and a debate could be held on whether members and HYBE entertain their fantasies).

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2 hours ago, AstroBaby said:

sorry! by JH I meant Jeonghan again just got lazy with typing that's my bad.

my brain was wired to read it as JHope 

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I agree that Sunoo is likely to be gay but I also get something like "gay but not comfortable about it" from Sunghoon (either because he doesn't want to be gay in a homophobic society or because he's constantly afraid that people would be able to tell?). Maybe bi Jay (he gives me the same kind of vibes as young GD). Heesung, Jake and Jungwon do feel pretty straight. Niki is a bit of a question mark, like I don't get any particular non-straight or straight vibe from him.

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3 hours ago, Exo-l since 2015 said:

Ahhh zhu zhengting I love him. He’s such an edible arrangement 

I feel old suddenly but what do "mlm" and "edible arrangement" mean exactly? (I can understand with context but I would appreciate definitions just to be sure)

Also +1 for Zhu Zhengting

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On 7/1/2022 at 11:03 AM, benarmies said:

i think the closest thing we have on camera is  his reaction to mamamoo/hwasa here [03:41; 03:51]: 

i do believe there is some truth about the jennie rumors. hybe never denied the picture (just the other day they denied the rumor about joon getting married) and it kind of makes sense with the accidental follow last year, the timing of the jennie/gd break up and the fact they share a lot of the same friends. like from all the bts members hoyeon (jennie bff) follows only him. or they could be just be friends. meanwhile his relationship with hyoshin is kind of suspicious as well. at least two people were introduced to taehyung because he was with hyoshin at the time (dongwon) or because he asked hyonshin to do so (kim eana)....

I think he is bi with preference for men. and i always thought his break up with bogum was ugly because he didn't mention him for almost 3 years, but they were so friendly in paris so...

Bogum and Tae did meet up till 2019 (less and less regularly, or less and less publicly), then Bogum got caught in the Song-Song scandal and left for military to avoid the mess, and then they hung out again. They never had a huge fall-out (I personally never thought thay they dated). Taehyung also stopped appearing with the Wooga squad in 2020/21 (now in an ITS spin-off with them). Jimin stopped mentioning Sungwoon in 2020/21. Same with JK and the 97-line group (stopped mentioning them in 2020/21, attended 17's concert in 2022, and he has a matching tattoo with Yugyeom of the year they were born, that's how close they are).

So either they all had fall-outs with their respective celeb friends in the past 2-3 years and they all made up in 2022, or they collectively decided to keep these friendships private in 2020/2021. Maybe because they/the company felt like these were harming the group's image of brotherhood and entertaining solo stanning? In the same vein as saying that they still lived together when it's obvious that it's not the case since 2019. It fits right in with what they said in their latest FESTA (about being more open about themselves as individuals). 

 

I don't buy Tae and Jennie. It's just a blurry pic of them (maybe?) doing nothing and no actual korean outlet investigated the story even though it clashes with their latest report that Jennie is dating GD (which could have made for a juicy story).

Bighit denies all the stuff from that Sojang youtuber, like Jungkook and the actress, or NJ and the chaebol girl (I think they're just creating material for a trial). But they didn't deny Yoongi and IU (also spread by that youtuber, but before Tae asked for him to be sued), or JHope and Wendy, Jimin and Yein, JK and Nain, or Jin and that dongsaeng who called him by his first name (the poor girl did all the apologizing by herself). And that's letting out countless of groundless rumors over the years, mostly with female idols. I think they just deny when the other party is a clout chaser.

There's actually more material to believe that Tae is dating Joanna but he denied (quite angrily) and I still think he's gay. He looked right at home with the parisian LGBT/model community, it was really a treat (like his wholesome interaction with Lady Gaga). But his adamant, "jealous" take during the perilla leaf debate makes me think that he's in a serious relationship.

Edited July 5, 2022 by OptimusPremier