Which male idols do you think are gay?

[baekjoong]

Ok guys, that glass thing was probably a coincidence. Seriously, let's not dig too deep.

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here is it in gif form

 

 

 

 

What the... 

Whoa...this guy...he's younger than me but I have mad respect for him!

[baekjoong]

If everyone in BTS seems "very straight", I wonder what it takes for someone to seem even slightly gay to you.

 

There are countless gay/bi people who act/look more stereotypically straight than certain BTS members. They may well be all straight but I think there are at least a couple who could turn out to be gay/bi and it wouldn't be remotely shocking. I don't know how anyone can look at Jimin and think he seems "very straight". He's the one member I would bet money on not being straight.

Hehe, true. Must be fans who've not watched their old stuff, or just non-fans? Then again, when has Jimin tried to act explicitly "straight" or "macho". He's usually overflowing with aegeo (did I spell that right?).

[baekjoong]

out of topic and not a jab to anyone but people that look up for heterosexual explanations to everything are so annoying, sometimes things aren't as deep as you're trying to make them be so an idol saying "I like men" could mean *exactly* that, an idol saying he has not interest in women could *exactly* mean that, but people find a way to read in between the lines, so "I like men" transforms into "he means male fans" and "not interested on girls" transforms into " he doesn't wanna date anyone right now, he's busy " first off, coming out doesn't have to be as dramatic as some people think, some people just like to slide their foot outside the closet every once in a while, throw a hint so anyone that wants to get it can get it, I would expect straight people to do that and distort anything to fix the oppar is a straight man until proven otherwise narrative, but I have seen people in the lgbt community doing it too,you should know the experience is different for everyone and it's not always black or white.

 

to sum up, this Spanish saying (?) Deja de darte pajazos mentales, I don't how could I translate that into English so you gotta forgive me that.

Preach!!!!!

[baekjoong]

I also think JK is into men and I've thought so for ages now, my post was directed at people who only care about proving their ship and nothing more. Just ignore the negs maybe? Could be coming from people who don't wanna accept that JK might be into men.

Agreed. Jungkook is young. He probably has too many young fans lurking this thread to monitor whether we are naming their "oppa". 

 

That said, I think Jungkook is susp too, outside of "ships". He's had consistent receipts, small and big. And I don't believe anymore that he doesn't understand the importance of the people he's naming or taking photos with. He's too old for that. 

Edited November 19, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Soooooo we just got this blind item:

 

"Blind Item #7 - AMA

One of the biggest male groups in K-pop has two members who are closeted. Well, they could have more than two, but these two were trying to stay hidden in corners this weekend at a bar as they canoodled with their respective American boyfriends."

 

oh man there were so many kpop boy groups at the AMAs HOW WILL WE EVER KNOW WHO THIS IS

American boyfriends? How are they even making that work? Or is that a PG-13 version of hookups? 

 

Either way...2, could be more than 2. Whoa.

[baekjoong]

I just realised before BTS went to America I thought there were max 4 gay/bi men in the group (Suga, Jimin, V, and I was a little iffy with Jungkook), but now I think there might be a possibility Namjoon and Jin are part of that group, ESPECIALLY Namjoon. I'm seriously side-eying him so much now (I was before as well but not to this extent).

 

It's interesting I think J-Hope is the straightest one in the group, because I know a few years ago people thought he was one of the gayest ones LMAO

I think a lot of people confused off-screen J-Hope with his on-screen personality, tbh. That's why I never really formed an opinion of him until recently. He rarely shows his real emotions onscreen, just like Jin. 

 

The only person I'm 100% sure of is Jimin, and to an extent V (though I'm not sure if he's bi or gay). Recently, Jungkook has entered my radar. 

 

But statistically speaking, this shouldn't even be possible (3/7), so I try not to think about the number of people I'm naming, but then again, this is BTS we're talking about, so who knows. 

 

But I did side eye Jin and Namjoon coz they were pretty insistent in their non-heteronormative answers (especially Jin, which was shocking, to be honest). They could just feel strongly about it because they have LGBT friends/members, or they could be a part of the community. That's still up in the air. 

 

Overall, we can conclude that BTS as a whole is the most open minded Kpop group we've come across. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

What do you think about ex exo members? Kristaolu

 

Tao - gay, and hasn't changed at all, imo. Outside Taohun, and his general "gayness", I found his relationship with that senior army guy in real men suspicious. 

 

Luhan - his relationship with his girlfriend seems legit enough, so maybe we misjudged him earlier. Or it could all be good old media play. But either way, he was too obsessed with Xiumin for me to completely disregard him, so I'd say bi/bicurious for now, until we know further (which we probably never will in Homophobic China with their petty laws). 

 

Kris - No idea. He's really really hard to read man! I've read some people in here saying he's bi, but I've personally never seen any indication of it. But then again, I don't follow him like I follow the other two, so I might be wrong.

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

I feel like a lot of people in this thread need a reminder that not all gay/bi men have effeminate mannerisms. 

Thank you!!! I was really tempted to post a rant about that, but then I got lazy. 

 

 

To add to the Jungkook discussion, well, if he really is a part of the LGBT community (I'm like 60% sure of him at this point, unlike V & Jimin's 100% - they had obvious attractions & crushes outside the group), you can expect people to defend his straightness to hell and back at least for another 10 years. He's the second Yunho of Kpop. A guy who's good at everything, uber masculine and the perfect "Oppa". 99% of people won't be able to see beyond that. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

and yunho in my opinion is very very obvious

 

 

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He is now, very much so (I was shocked when looking at some of the gifs posted here. Not the Yunho I remember seeing in DBSK videos). He wasn't before though. 

[baekjoong]

thinking Jungkook is straight has nothing to do with his liking sports, being very athletic and his pretty masculine image for me. Tbh, as stereotypical as it is, he's a gamer who never texts and didn't change his shirt once while they were in Hawaii lol. He reminds me of a lot of straight boys I know.

Question:

What are the reasons he does ping people? Cause he's touchy with his friends? He's the youngest in the group, he alternates being kind of bratty and playing with them and glomping on to whoever is next to him, especially his closest friends. It's obvious he looks up to them a lot. Cause he's "shy" with girls? According to the sasaeng rumour mill the shy thing is cause he has some seriously crazy fans (and that's def true) and he doesn't like it when they target girls because of him or even just ship them. So he avoids eye contact and touches at all cost. Behind the scenes, while the International playboy image is also untrue, he's good around women (RM and V chose him as the best with girls in a recent interview, and some of the boys pointed at him as the one most likely to get married first). His reactions to girls in AHL, before they shot to fame, looked like actual shyness to me and like the reactions of a teenager who's very much aware of and interested in the oppposite gender.

 

 

l mean at the end of the day we won't know anything until some of them do or don't get girlfriends and with the way idol culture has been evolving I feel like BTS will keep their potential partners on the downlow at least until some of them enter the military.

That's playing into stereotypes. I look like the typical dumb, girly girl who only cares about "men" and "fashion", but I spend hours holing inside my room/office, working or geeking out on the internet. Oh, and I love coding. Stereotypes honey. Not everyone confirms to them. Actually, barely anyone does, in my experience. 

 

And its funny how people call "fanservice" at every possible thing, but forget that saying someone's good with girls, would get married first, etc, is obvious fanservice too. They're boosting up his manly image. Jungkook is the only one who has a manly image in that group, and looks that part as well. He's the one little girls (majority of their fanbase) fall for first. Let's not forget that obvious fact. 

 

That said, I've made it pretty clear that I'm not 100% sure of him yet (maybe in a few years). But I won't put him in the straight box just coz he "looks" straight, either. 

 

Of course we won't know, that's why we're speculating here. We haven't gotten clear answers for idols who debuted 20 years ago. We can't even dare to hope for the younger ones. So, I'm sure everyone here knows we're not talking facts, but opinions. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

I just answered why he doesn't ping me at all and that first sentence was more tongue in cheek. I give more reasons under the spoiler. Also note how my stereotypes (which, yes, they are, and I said so) had nothing to with his looks but his behaviour. And tbh all the speculation in this thread is kinda moot cause we only know them when there's cameras around. What people use as "evidence" is very flimsy for both sides.

And I think everyone here knows what we're doing here. And we don't care its moot. We're not investigative journalists who need absolute proof to make a forum post lol. 

 

That said, let's just agree to disagree coz this isn't that serious, and neither of us are going to change our opinions. The back and forth is derailing this thread. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Did you see his work post army? I dont know what happened, but even in a mere picture he pings so hard. Probably in DBSK days there were 5 of them and Jaejoong got all the attention.

Jaejoong was THE most obvious one back then. Really? I was thinking of watching their knowing brother episode. Is that a good example? 

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Sorry for butting in, I think Yunho pinged the most during their first ever vlive, he just looked so happy and carefeee idk I'm so proud of him tbh.

 

http://www.vlive.tv/video/42174

Thanks for the link!  I'll watch it.

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Oh lord, Yunho.  I haven't typed that name in...eight years omg.  Around break-up I guess???  

 

Anyways, young Yunho was very much trying to be the ideal leader and very tryhard (don't mean that in a diss way) so he was always very reserved (even when it came to "shipping" stuff most of the time) in the early years.  But as the years went on he loosened up and he nonstop pinged for me - especially when he danced lol.  Google Yunho dance, especially concert solos or even his little dance part in purple line lol.

His dance in purple line was "fabulous" lol. But yeah, I think it was a part of him trying hard to be the perfect boyfriend material and everyone around him pushing him to be so. Must have been stressful. Glad that phase is behind him now.

 

Ps. Oops, sorry, double post. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Since you're talking about the "gender" roles that applied even within gay relationships:

 

This is why I really like the Thai drama "Together With Me" because it was the first Thai BL I can think of that didn't have a stereotypical bottom that is shorter or more timid (or even "whiter/lighter" skin...which is a messed up skewed "beauty" standard we won't even get into).  They were both hunky and didn't fit in any typical tropes writers would put gay characters into - they were both into sports, weren't very studious, pretty much "masc for masc" aesthetic lol, etc. 

 

And even though one character was still going back and forth between not wanting to break up and hurt his girlfriend and "I'm not gay" blah blah blah, the other character had former love interest/boyfriend who was trying to win him back so you didn't have the typical "I'm only gay for you"...which I won't lie still gets me...pretty much all the time lol.  

Sorry for butting in, but I loved that show! And sadly couldn't find anything that lived up to its standards. I felt it depicted real life pretty well, overall, and the drama was interesting (though the bi guy did get annoying at times). 

 

Advanced bravely came close, but I'm iffy about their acting, so I haven't watched beyond a few episodes (yet). 

[baekjoong]

there is no "heterosexual explanation" for the jimin and v quotes from a western perspective because if any guys did that here it would be looked at weirdly but girls do stuff like this a lot, do they not? considering all male groups talk about taking showers together and stuff at some point, this isn't really shocking.. lol

Which girls have you been around? Maybe 13 year olds do (maybe), but I don't believe that they'd cuddle in their underwear lol. It's just too weird.

 

V was really really weird in both incidents (cuddling Jimin in underwear and practically grinding Jin lol). If this was normal behavior, Jimin wouldn't have said he was uncomfortable at first. 

 

Actually, I've been meaning to post this a lot. Look at how the older, established groups/idols react to skinship. They are more representative of the actual Korean society than the young ones who do skinship for camera.

 

I don't think Korean men have no boundaries, like these young groups would like us to believe when on cam. Maybe when they were kids with no inhibitions, but not young adults going through puberty, and definitely not grown adults. That's too weird. 

 

In a Mom's diary episode Moon Hee jun asked Tony An whether he and Jaeduck have skinship. Tony was too defensive, and said he never laid hands on him, didn't even hold hands with him. That seems more normal than believing grown adult men would find it normal to be all over each other.

Edited November 25, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

I might be late to the party with this one, but I was listening to BTS solos, and V's stigma is....wow.... 

 

I thought Jimin's LIE was deep. This one far exceeds that. Poor thing, born in a world as cruel as this, in a country that'd rather ignore you. 

[baekjoong]

^{(again, the rarest of posts on this thread)} I remember crying over it. That one hits too close to home.

So much raw pain in those lyrics... Yeah, and the comment section on that video is a mess. Though I'm proud many of them have the guts to openly call it a coming out song. 

Edited November 25, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

See, there is nothing in the song to me that suggests it's about missing his siblings. Besides the fact that I think they would have said that this is what the song was about if it was the case, there really aren't any lyrics in the song to suggest that it's about missing family. Like the title says, the song focuses on Tae feeling like he has a Stigma. Missing his family doesn't really connect to the disgraced sinner narrative of the song. And the lines directed to his sibling are him apologizing for him not being able to hide or change something inside of him.

 

Same with fighting. Too much of the song focuses on Tae's internal struggle about accepting who he is for it to just be about a fight. Plus the lines suggest the person that was hurt was hurt by someone else but Tae's guilt come from the fact that he didn't protect them and he feels like he should have had that punishment/hurt instead. So again, the fight narrative just doesn't personally work for me because Tae's guilt 100% is coming from the fact he couldn't accept himself, he lacked courage and feels like he let someone else down by letting them take all the blame for something he was also guilty of.

 

And until they tell us we'll never know and it's only speculation, but personally I think Stigma 100% is about Tae coming to terms with his sexuality and coming out after struggling to accept himself. No other explanation makes sense to me.

I couldn't have articulated it this well even if I tried. Thanks.  

 

I did do some digging after listening to the song. Let me try to disprove some of the common arguments against the homosexual theory:

 

1. Namjoon didn't want to talk about the meaning - probably means V wrote the song and only got help on the English verses. 

2. His grandmother died after this song was written, so it wasn't for her. Even if the timeline didn't match, the lyrics have nothing to with her anyway. 

3. This song has nothing to do with the storyline of the album. God, Namjoon made that pretty clear for all the solos. 

4. Brother and sister, in my opinion, refers to the people around him, not his siblings. You don't write such a raw, painful song about siblings you're still seeing once a year. These are adult men, they don't get raw emotions about stuff like that. Men and women work away from their family all the time. Moreover, I don't believe the lyrics even talks about him being sorry to his siblings for not taking care of them. There is no indication of that. 

5. The only person he's sorry to is that mysterious X he hurt. If the coming out theory is true, my guess is, he let someone else face all the flack while sitting back, or participating in the mess. "Why were you like to me back then?". Kinda telling. Happens, and that's a shitty thing to do to a friend. No wonder he feels bad. 

 

So yeah. That's it. 

 

 

Maybe because I see it from my own perspective as a bisexual girl, but I tweeted about the songs way back in May although I'd been thinking about this since the wings solos released, and I'm convinced that both Jimin and Taehyung have had at least some interaction with someone on the spectrum because this mentality is (to me, at least) well-nigh impossible to replicate without personal experience. I'd turned over several meanings it could have with relation to the storyline, but considering that the only connection I've found is the loss of innocence/brutal experience and that RM consistently refused to talk about Stigma in particular, I'm fairly sure it was written as a coming out song, and Lie about forbidden love. That being said, it's a personal thing, so it could really be about them or someone else they know - people are free to make their own conclusions, but I know what my personal opinion is and it's not going to change tbh.

 

 

 

Forbidden love...that's an interesting explanation. I was under the impression that LIE was written about hiding himself. You know how he acted before (macho and stuff). In his latest Vlive, he openly said the old Jimin was no more so we shouldn't expect to see him.

 

But I'd love to hear your thoughts too (here or in PM. I was writing a reply essay back to you in PM, anyway). 

Edited November 26, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

I have no idea if he is gay or not, but this is a very heartbreaking song about childhood abuse.

 

It's pretty straightforward and I can see why he wouldn't want to discuss it, since it is too painful. Honestly, adding a gay angle to this song comes more from the people who read it than the song itself.

 

 

V's the last person I'd suspect of having gone through childhood abuse. Nothing in his body language (with his parents or other adults) indicates abuse of any sort. 

[baekjoong]

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 baek touching the Sehun tits

 

A whole ass compilation of Sehun w/ Chef Suke:

 

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Sehun actually blurred out Chanyeol in one of the photos w/ Suke. Make of that what you will 

Elyxion is a helluva trip ::P On concert Day 2, Kai said that he wants to kiss Kyungsoo's head, but he won't right now because it's sweaty. On day 3, he said Kyungsoo's solo singing was so good that he wanted to kiss his forehead right then and there, and then Suho says, "It's okay (to do that)," but everyone just smiles and no kissing occurs.

 

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Now here are two different angles of Kai pushing away Baekhyun's hand as he tries to kiss Kyungsoo's head 

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idk I could be reading too much into things, but I get the feeling that Kyungsoo always acts kind of shy/cute around his male co-stars? Like Jo Insung, for instance. Kyungsoo always leans into him when he laughs and it kind of looks like he just wants an excuse to touch lol

 

*EDIT:* LMAOO THE HOMOPHOBIC SEHUN STANS ON TWITTER ARE AFTER ME RN SAVE ME

The leaning in, yes, I've noticed that a lot. It's so unlike how he acts with his band mates, so it stands out. Could just be that he's shy around older guys in general, but his sometimes it looks like its more than that. 

 

Do you have any videos or gifs you can share here? I'd like to look at them again. 

 

Lol at the homophobic stans. They are the only constant in EVERY fandom (even in 14 year old ones). Go on a blocking spree. 

Edited November 27, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Part of me thinks half these fangirl shippers are hating on Suke is because 1.) He's much older than Sehun and 2.) He's not "handsome" or sexy like there oppar's are. 

Or coz it's not Luhan (or Kai, or whoever he's being shipped with nowadays). 

[baekjoong]

Any BTS Jin fans here? I want to know your take on him. I've admitted I'm finding it difficult to figure out his real character, so I have no opinion on his sexuality yet. 

[baekjoong]

I came across this post the other day, which has a few Jin moments compiled. 

Thanks!