Which male idols do you think are gay?

[raspberry84]

I think most of you are missing a big factor in Jungkook's answer: That is a sentence/phrase he memorized.

 

It's pretty obvious the boys have memorized a few English phrases to give as answers and it's why we're hearing the same thing multiple times (Tae with his I can't believe I'm here! Here is amazing!)

 

Jungkook doesn't speak English. He was sad in the group chat that he didn't know English after their first late night show performance and he has barely spoken any English so far in their interviews.

 

So for him to have that answer ready to go? I really feel like he came up with that earlier and practiced it.

Edited November 18, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

he memorized saying "i dont know name"? he doesnt speak fluent english but not to that level

 

Jungkook doesn't speak English. He said so himself.

 

And yeah. In the same way Tae has clearly memorized "Here is amazing!" which isn't fluent/natural either.

 

Plus he fixed it in the second interview when he included "her name/her face"

 

 

Some of y'all are really pressed about the idea that he may have prepared an answer that allowed him to avoid the question and are acting like gay people have never done that before.

 

Hell, answers like this in Korean are taken as proof/speculated about all the time here but LOL you do you I guess.

Edited November 18, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

uhm im not really pressed though, your assumption is as good as mine lol i know they memorize some phrases (like v keeps repeating the same one lmao) and i know he said he doesnt speak english but that doesnt mean he literally know 0 words of the language - that's all i said

 

Either way, i think we agree that the point here is that he tried to avoid to answer that question everytime so yeah

 

Yikes! Should have been more clear my edit was directed at the people negging my posts for suggesting it. I just didn't want to double post.

[raspberry84]

 

I think we would also have to include jongkey too considering their entire ship is based on and started with years of blatant fanservice they were doing knowingly on camera.

 

Except most of us who discuss Jongkey and think they're in a relationships acknowledge their earlier fanservice was fanservice and don't read anything into it.

 

We base it on their falling out during the Hello era (which was the opposite of fanservice) and tons of receipts that they're both attracted to men (including a speculated relationship Key had with another man) along with the recent turn of events. We don't know for sure but there is a lot of evidence that suggests they're together. Until they say something we don't know for sure but Key especially makes and does som extremely telling things that fall outside the norm for him.

Edited November 19, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Maybe people are fed up with shippy BTS posts because it's literally Taekook VS Jikook shippers trying to prove that their ship is real and then getting super upset and defensive when others don't agree with them. I'm sorry but you don't see Kaisoo or Verkwan shippers derailing this thread with their petty arguments for 10 pages every other day.

 

Y'all only care about proving that Jimin + JK or Tae + JK are in love and nothing else tbh.

 

I just want to be able to post about Jungkook being gay af. No idea why I'm getting negged IT SUPPORTS BOTH DAMN SHIPS.

Edited November 19, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

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It's things like this that do make me think it's very possible that at least one member of BTS is queer and out to the group (along with them not correcting the interviewing who commented on them not having a boyfriend/girlfriend when asking if they wanted to date after misunderstanding RM's answer).

 

It may just be RM being an awesome ally who understands how these answers could be seen as heteronormative but I feel like a lot of people that have that level of awareness/understanding tend to because they're close to someone who is queer.

 

He's always been an ally but he seems to have stepped it up a notch since Love Her was released.

 

Not to mention their HYYH/Wings storyline stepping up their implication that Jungkook and Suga's characters are romantically interested in each other with the notes and highlight reel.

[raspberry84]

In relation to the "Jungkook ain't straight" discussion:

 

 

Like....ok he's playing with the sequins but that hand location.

 

Bonus of Jimin's reaction:

 

[raspberry84]

This is what tae did when jimin first came into the dorm  

 

IMIN: ã€ŒThat night, with V’s suggestion, the 3 of us with Jungkook, we slept all tangled up together in the living room. I’m shy with strangers so it felt uncomfortable, but V approached me with an open mind so I felt relaxed straight away. I had a good time.ã€

V:「That’s right. The 3 of us slept together. We only wore underwear (laughs) it was like a frank/ straightforward friendship? The next day, Jimin and I went to school. Maybe it was because he transferred to a new school and it was the first day for him, he was really nervous.  On the way to school, he said things like 『Gangnam is incredible.〠He was talking randomly in a stiff Busan dialect, it was cute.〠

 

I really don't understand how they don't find any of this gay. Its like korea is so removed from gay stuff that it doesn't even cross their mind

 

I just want to know how this went down because I'm just picturing Tae suggesting they strip down to their underwear and cuddle and there is no heterosexual explanation for this.

 

Taehyung was totally that baby gay who would suggest "practicing" kissing at slumber parties as a teenager, I swear to God.

[raspberry84]

It's worth pointing out that Key is still wearing the ring Jonghun got him two months ago on the regular.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited November 25, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

He's also wearing the Cartier bracelet Jonghyun got him for his birthday in the first pic too.

 

See, I was reluctant to post about the bracelet because we never got confirmation that Jonghyun was the one who bought that for him. We know he got the ring because he said so and the box Key posted was definitely for the ring.

 

Although the "did it again!" on his instagram post could be referring to this being a second gift because Key was spotted with the bracelet prior to the ring.

 

He also seems to almost always be wearing the ring and/or the bracelet unless it's a concert, photoshoot or variety show. 

 

 

 

 

[raspberry84]

there is no "heterosexual explanation" for the jimin and v quotes from a western perspective because if any guys did that here it would be looked at weirdly but girls do stuff like this a lot, do they not? considering all male groups talk about taking showers together and stuff at some point, this isn't really shocking.. lol

 

As a lesbian I can firmly say that no, straight girls don't do this shit.

 

Like I'm sure some do but a lot of stuff that just gets written off as "normal" girl behavior by society is a lowkey way for gay/bi girls to experiment and figure out their sexuality. Girls do tend to be more physically affectionate with each other and more likely to share the same bed but they're not cuddling in their underwear.

 

And as far as dancing on each other...that is basically rooted in either a) the girls playing up the male fantasy of girl-on-girl or b) lowkey experimenting like I said earlier.

[raspberry84]

I might be late to the party with this one, but I was listening to BTS solos, and V's stigma is....wow.... 

 

I thought Jimin's LIE was deep. This one far exceeds that. Poor thing, born in a world as cruel as this, in a country that'd rather ignore you. 

 

Yep. That was the moment I became completely convinced that Taehyung was gay. Especially when you factor in that no one will talk about the meaning behind it when normally this is something that BTS does and did for every other solo.

[raspberry84]

I really want to know how y'all are so sure its a coming out song?  Not saying that's not a possibility but it could be about literally anything. Also I wouldn't take the lyrics too literally cause I feel they're also partially connected to his wings storyline where he kills his father, who had been abusing his sister. I reckon the lyrics about sinning and punishment are related to that. The main idea was that he hurt somebody in the past and regrets it now.

 

No one else wrote their song as being connected to their storylines and I haven't read anything that said any of the members did this. Especially in Tae's case because RM made a point in saying that the song was very personal to Taehyung and wouldn't comment on what the song was about. If it had been written with their storyline involved he would have talked about that but instead he avoided the inspiration completely which on it's own is...interesting to say the least.

 

There have been discussions about Stigma in the past about how it might have another meaning but when push comes to shove no one has been able to come up with a convincing one that makes sense with the lyrics, applies to what we know about Tae's life and would be a topic that RM would feel uncomfortable sharing with fans.

[raspberry84]

There's another reason I don't take the lyrics too seriously and that's because he didn't write the song all on his own. He got a lot of help. So can we really dissect the lyrics so much if we don't even know what part he wrote?

 

If we were talking about one or two lines out of a song then it would definitely be worth talking about whether or not he had co-writers on the song. However, it was the entire song that pinged people and even with help this was Tae's song and he was the driving force behind it.

 

We know it didn't lose that original message that Tae wanted because, like I mentioned earlier, RM made a point to say it was very personal to Taehyung and no one has talked about it. No one else, including Tae, has talked about the meaning behind it or what the song is about which suggests that the personal meaning wasn't lost or diluted down.

 

My question to you is what do you think the alternatives are? What do you personally think the song is about?

[raspberry84]

Well I'm not sure. I thought it was about him not being able to spend too much time with his family and siblings in particular. Recently he even implied how he's not extremely close with his brother in a vlive and seemed kind of sad about it. Or maybe he fought with someone and really regrets it now. Idk there's no way to know for sure imo

 

See, there is nothing in the song to me that suggests it's about missing his siblings. Besides the fact that I think they would have said that this is what the song was about if it was the case, there really aren't any lyrics in the song to suggest that it's about missing family. Like the title says, the song focuses on Tae feeling like he has a Stigma. Missing his family doesn't really connect to the disgraced sinner narrative of the song. And the lines directed to his sibling are him apologizing for him not being able to hide or change something inside of him.

 

Same with fighting. Too much of the song focuses on Tae's internal struggle about accepting who he is for it to just be about a fight. Plus the lines suggest the person that was hurt was hurt by someone else but Tae's guilt come from the fact that he didn't protect them and he feels like he should have had that punishment/hurt instead. So again, the fight narrative just doesn't personally work for me because Tae's guilt 100% is coming from the fact he couldn't accept himself, he lacked courage and feels like he let someone else down by letting them take all the blame for something he was also guilty of.

 

And until they tell us we'll never know and it's only speculation, but personally I think Stigma 100% is about Tae coming to terms with his sexuality and coming out after struggling to accept himself. No other explanation makes sense to me.

Edited November 26, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I have no idea if he is gay or not, but this is a very heartbreaking song about childhood abuse.

 

It's pretty straightforward and I can see why he wouldn't want to discuss it, since it is too painful. Honestly, adding a gay angle to this song comes more from the people who read it than the song itself.

 

 

 

 

 

I did not expect this turn of events.

 

[raspberry84]

i'm surprised whenever you guys talk about bangtan - esp taehyung - you never bring up this:

https://twitter.com/accio_bts/status/725347626560839681

i always thought taehyung had like a "crush" on hoseok.

 

I know it's been talked about in the past but yeah, I think there was a period of time when Taehyung had a fairly transparent crush on J-Hope but I haven't noticed it in a while.

[raspberry84]

I read it again and I stand by what I said. He expresses enormous regret over someone. Considering his age and the feeling in the song that a long time has passed, it's something that happened during his childhood. The lyrics don't say who was abused or what happened, but they do express pain over something that happened and that is haunting him to this day.

 

I wouldn't have bothered to comment because people can take songs any way they want, but it's clear the guy opened a vain and bled into the lyrics. Even if he is gay, gay and bi people do still have an inner world that does not revolve exclusively around sexuality.

 

Some of you think it's a song about his inner struggle with sexuality, some don't. That's life and unless he comes out and says he wrote the song about being gay, both opinions are valid.

 

My thing is nothing in the song suggests abuse at all. The pain and hurt that Tae feels is self inflicted, he's very clear about that in the lyrics. Another person was hurt and his pain is a result of thinking he should have also been punished and that he should have protected them.

 

Which throws off the childhood abuse theory because it would suggest that Tae wasn't the one who was abused but knew someone else who was. And that doesn't mesh with the rest of the song's narrative about hiding who he really is, being a "sinner", trying to change who he is, etc.

 

Well it's simply a theory that the song is about him accepting his sexuality the only theories that actually seem to work are based around Taehyung accepting something about himself that doesn't fit into societal's norms.

 

Yours is just a really, really big stretch that I just can't get behind or take seriously. Sorry.

 

Edit: Also I don't know, but this seems like a pretty big accusation to make with basically nothing to back it up but really stretching one song and that makes me extremely uncomfortable.

Edited November 26, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

This is his letter to RM. It showcases his admiration for RM regarding how he works, as I mentioned before.

 

 

If he had a crush on RM, wouldn't the situation between them be more tense, or at least more noticeable?

 

I never said he couldn't like those other artist in that way. I don't see it though. We need to see him meeting them or reacting to them to know for sure.

 

To be fair, there is a very thin line between having a crush and feeling admiration for someone and there often is some overlap. Especially with people who haven't experienced relationships it's also easy to mistake one for the other.

 

There would only be tension if Jungkook actively realized he had a crush on RM.

 

And with Jungkook, he really has this tendency to live in that grey area between admiration and attraction when it comes to the artists (male and female) who he fanboys. So I'm inclined to think he's bi/pan and has a thing for musicians.

Edited December 3, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Lol @ y'all trying to find all kinds of excuses to justify Jungkook not being straight

 

Most people here have either suggested he's bisexual/pansexual or don't take his fanboying as proof because fans get intense regardless of sexuality in their experience.

 

Regardless, attraction to someone of the opposite sex doesn't mean that person is straight. I think it's only a small portion of the people who post here who think he's gay. Most people seem to fall on the bisexual/pansexual side or that he's straight.

Edited December 3, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I don't negate that he might be bi, but I've yet to see Jungkook showing genuine attraction to men the way he shows to women. Some people here are reaching way too much.

 

That is your personal opinion and read on the situation.

 

I think the insisting that Jungkook is straight is on par with people insisting that Jungkook is gay. Both sides are reaching for when they claim the other side has no proof when really Jungkook walks in the grey area when it comes to attraction.

 

There are valid examples of his attraction to male and females. You have his crush/fanboying of IU, his reaction to finally meeting RM after fanboying him being "Wow Thighs" and his fanboying/covering of Troye Sivan.

 

The Troye Sivan thing is interesting because we know that Jungkook watches his videos and has tried to emulate them. And Troye isn't like Sam Smith who is openly gay but makes music & videos that are inclusive and containing a variety of relationships. Troye's music and videos are extremely gay-centric and is primarily meant to appeal to that audience. Same way Hayley Kiyoko makes videos and music that will appeal to the LGBT community. So it is suspicious to me when someone fanboys him as much as Jungkook does.

[raspberry84]

since we're talking jungkook I've noticed he's been all over yoongi recently and it caught my attention

 

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bonus (yoongi's obvious soft spot for jungkook)

 

 

    

 

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This is why Jungkook is so damn confusing. He does shit like this or talks about how he regularly chooses to sleep in bed with the rest of BTS (which seemed to be proven true since his bedroom was basically a studio with a lofted mattress with no sheets until they caved and gave him his own studio) and most of it seems 100% platonic. This boy just literally has no concept of personal space and needs twice the amount of cuddles to sustain himself as most toddlers. I am still side eying the fuck out that Tokyo video with Jimin. I'm not saying there is no heterosexual explanation for that but when you hear hoof beats think horses and not zebras.

 

And on an unrelated note who knows what is going on with Suga and the maknae line these days. He's always been soft to Jungkook but they seem even closer lately and his sudden closeness with Taehyung is throwing me off. That is a friendship I didn't expect.

Edited December 3, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

since we're on the topic of kookie tonight lemme just bring back my all time favorite moment of his

 

 

what an extremely heterosexual reaction to seeing two dudes kissing   i know he's like 15 here but i think that just makes it all the more convincing, since acting "straight" is usually something we learn when growing into adulthood.

 

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i'm slowly falling down the rabbithole that is bts AGAIN, and i can't help but notice that taehyung seems awfully quiet and sad most of the time.... it's like he's become very distant from the other members.

 

idk if it has anything to do with him being gay (which i am 100% certain of) but he never initiates skinship anymore and when the other members do it, it kinda seems like he's pulling away. i know i do the same thing with my straight friends, even ones that i'm out to, just because i feel guilty/ashamed/scared they're gonna take it the wrong way.

 

am i the only one noticing this?

 

I don't necessarily think he's pulling away from the other members. I said in my last post that he and Yoongi have gotten really close since Hawaii. Yoongi wore their friendship necklace to the US, they've been sporting matching blue rings at the award shows, Yoongi went shopping with Tae despite hating shopping, Yoongi wearing Tae's Gucci headband during an award show performance this week, etc. Their interactions on Ru when they're partnered up are significantly different from what they were pre-Hawaii. 

 

He did seem down for a little bit but remember that was around the time a childhood friend of his committed suicide. I expect that was a hard time for him. He seemed better during their US promos and at the award shows this week. 

 

I have noticed a lack of skinship lately. Which I agree could mean that he came out to his members and now that has changed his personal comfort label being physically affectionate with them. Especially if he just recently came out to them (which I think seems likely) that it may take some time until that comfort level is back with touching.

Edited December 3, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

omg i had no idea about his childhood friend   that explains a lot actually... thank for letting me on! i've also lost a friend to suicide so i know how the grief takes it's toll on you, both mentally and physically.

 

i've also noticed him and yoongi seem a lot closer now, which could potentially fit perfectly into my theory (warning: tinfoil hat level delusion incoming) about how those two are the only SELF AWARE queer members of bts. not excluding the possibility of any other members being attracted to men, but yoongi and taehyung seems to be the only ones where their gayness is an integral part of their identities and their lives. so imo they've probably bonded over some shared experiences and feelings.

 

on a sidenote i'm loving their recent handholding antics 

 

thinking about it, yoongi is the only member i've seen tae doing any kind of skinship with (aside from staged fanservice) recently.

  

 

What's interesting is also Yoongi is the one who seems to initiate most of it when normally he ain't about that life. I don't know what to make of it but I'm enjoying it.

 

So I was reading some blind items (I know they're not reliable) but they said there's a gay couple in SM. It must be JongKey right?

  

 

Link?

 

Without reading it or more details it's hard to tell. I wouldn't be surprised. At the risk of tinhat delusions I am convinced they're dating and as out as they can possibly be. Especially with Key wearing the ring and/or bracelet jonghyun got him nonstop. I'm really looking forward to jonghyuns next solo album cause there were some realllllly telling songs on his last one.

 

If anyone wants I can post about the songs but I'm not sure if that's to far into tinhat land.

[raspberry84]

Worth adding that we know Jungkook watches Troye's music videos so it's safe to assume he watched the video for the song he covered.

 

This is the video for Fools:

 

 

 

Like you might not get the meaning from the lyrics but it's two guys making out shirtless on the bed. That's pretty self explanatory.