h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Oh, this is techically off topic, but if you want good gay stories, I recommend DomLuka, especially if the flowery style of some fanfictions isn't your cup of tea. My favorite of his is With Trust. Edited August 21, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) *Clicks story* "Updated: 28 Dec 2010" "On hold" ... ...Yeah. He's left two stories unfished and sort of disappeared for now. Anyway, With Trust at least ends in a place that can well serve as an ending. It tells you everything you need to know to form a conclusion, so I found it to be a complete experience. Edited August 21, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Out of all the members of Exo. D.O is the one a lot of Korean fans assume is gay. If they think that, then it must really show off, because being gay and skinship are two different things in K-culture. I do think people shouldn't base it off his baby looks and what he's done. Since Tao and Chanyeol have done things that 10x gayer but everyone assumes they are the straightest other than Kris Let's just agree that in Exo at least 2 members are gay lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Kris is out of the question that boy just screams hetro As for Tao I don't super know Exo but I do agree the boy a bit experimenty like he wouldn't choose to be fully gay and onlu the oppurtnity with certain people. Chanyeol comes off a bit bi but really just lonely but out of all of exo Sehun is seriously flamming especially when he's with tao, like these two just smell we've had sex before. I'm getting tired of mentioning that this is not how it works. Sorry i'm confused when you guys are talking about their "acts". Do you mean you're not conviced that sungjong is acting manly? Or that he just matured naturally..? An act in our context meant pretension. https://twitter.com/tonyhong1004/status/370231109042204673 Leaving this here What I've got from G-Translate is that they will meet in that show Tao is in. Careful, so much gayness could warp the space and chuck the whole block into the Land of Oz. Edited August 22, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) off-topic, but wentworth miller just made all your gay stereotypes go *poof*. i mean c'mon there is ZERO gay vibes u can get from this guy. URGH we nid to re-evaluate exo one by one now.. That there are "manly" gay guys says nothing about the "feminine" ones. Even if most gays were masculine (as they call it), if all feminine men were gay, a feminine man would still logically have to be gay. The stereotype would still apply. Thus on that part of the spectrum, Wentworth changes nothing. Can a gay guy "pass" for most observers? Of course. But that, say, Minho could be gay (for the discussion) does not lessen the chance Key is. Besides, to say you get zero vibes from Wentworth is honestly untrue. He's got that subdued tone; it's just dangerous to jump to conclusions based on that alone. Edited August 22, 2013 by h0neanias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 i'm not saying the feminine ones aren't gay lol. i'm trying to say even the ones with a manly act going on can be gay (as proven by wentworth miller xD) Of course they can. Trouble is that if you can't tell, there's very little to go by. So I don't really think he changes much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Tao giving his bracelet to Sehun Awwwww... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Hm. Am I the only one who suspected Wentworth Miller from the start? Lots of gay guys aren't girly at all, but they do have 'tells' (though I can't really list them, which is probably why people tend to just sum it all up as 'pinging on the gaydar' ). It's the subdued tone I mentioned. So yeah, there was something. The one I can't tell at all would be Matt Bomer for me. Honestly, I didn't suspect Neil P. Harris either. But Wentworth I did. Edited August 22, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Really? Huh. Can't say he surprised me either. Maybe my 'gaydar' is tweaked differently since I'm, apparently, 'straight acting' myself. Or maybe it's just tweaked because I'm a bit odd. But Swedish teens play havoc with the 'dar quite often these days. So metro. I'd be "straight-acting" too, I guess. It's just... Hm, I don't know what makes me tell -- or not. I'd wager a lot on Dongwoon being gay, for example, so it's not just "manliness". It's a mystery, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) If they had sex with the girlfriends predebut then i was saying they're at least bi? Putting the main question aside, that's quite an if you're putting there. There's no freaking way to tell. Edited August 22, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) there are gay men in Korea who are married to women and living as straight men just to avoid problems with their unaccepting parents and society . therefor the fact that some members had girlfriends in the past doesn't mean they are not gay . I am well aware of that all, so I fail to see why I am the one quoted. My point is that you don't even need the question of sex when all you have is a photo. Key and his predebut BFF have a photo, too. Edited August 22, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) No freaking way to tell what exactly? that they had sex? that's why I put if. are you trying to say guys with girlfriends dont have sex at all? lol What is "guys with girlfriends"? All of them? I hope you don't suspect me of thinking that, if only because it doesn't follow from any statement of mine. Some don't -- the perfect gentlemen who can wait, for example. It's easy for a gay guy to be such a perfect gentleman. At any rate, it would be wrong to assume that just because a guy's going out with a girl they're having sex all day every day. Hence my objection, to explain that having a girlfriend doesn't have to be an indicator (since we can't know about the sex, obviously). Edited August 22, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I know that being a gay is not a choice, From my experience you need to know they are people out there who do not consider themselves gay, but have a genuine attraction to one person of the same sex. I knew this guy and he swore he wasn't, but he had the most insane attraction to one his friends to the point he initiated stuff and things got down. He still likes girls more than girls and those feelings for those have gone down now to the point he doesn't even understand why he got them(hormones duh). For some they can find someone of the same sex attractive and be willing to experiment with that one person. Not on a full majority be gay, because they don't feel gay. There is a word for that: bisexual. What they see themselves as is fairly irrelevant to the underlying biological reality. ok, here is someone I guess people would say is left field (most always bring up how he has a fiancé or something) but I always thought Shindong was gay Gag me with a rusty spoon. The way he's treated the issue so far has been pretty shitty. Edited August 23, 2013 by h0neanias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Holy crap, that's their first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) You thought they were? I should think it'd be pretty hard to stay in that industry as a homophobe, actually. At least in the k-idol industry. Like a broken record, I will once again point out that when it starts attracting a certain 'type of person' (because it sort of becomes a 'dream place' for young gays who, let's not forget, often start out as fans), that will attract more of that type and 'repel' some of the other. Which is why I keep saying statistics in no way apply. Also remember, becoming an idol is not the only option for young dancers/singers/musicians. And then one can assume that those who don't wish to be on stage but want a 'comfortable and safe environment' may opt for jobs as managers, producers and so on - and then they in turn get their sympathetic straight friends jobs and, well, you get the idea. ;) A-pink's manager fanboying about taking a photo with Teamin made me do a double-take. It makes sense on the company's side, too. If I had a girl group, I'd sure prefer a gay manager. Safety matters. Edited August 24, 2013 by h0neanias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) TO me i think he is gay though but the person that u r describing me right now, makes me think of Seo in Guk instea of HOya Actually, if I positively had to pick one of them for the pink team, it would be Seo in Guk -- even if I don't really have an opinion on him. Hoya is a straight ally in my book. Edited August 24, 2013 by h0neanias 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) Onew - Shinee That's the only guy in that group I have firmly pegged as straight. Hyun Joong - SS501 Ah, the question of Hyunjoong. For me he is straight, I see literally nothing that makes me think otherwise. It's Jungmin who's most likely gay. Edited August 24, 2013 by h0neanias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) the gay couple is not really a gay couple. the husband of the family is only dating the guy because he killed his family in a hit and run accident when he was a child and he feels guilty (of course nobody knows about the hit-and-run being caused by the husband). every character (including the husband) is really annoying... except for maybe the ACTUALLY gay character (the orphan boy), but the gay character gets killed by the maid because she's angry that he doesn't want revenge for the hit-and-run accident that killed his parents and her husband. That crappy moment when what seemed at least slightly open at the beginning turns out to be the same old homophobic bullshit. Faggotry eliminated, order of the world restored. You're right most of gay dramas in Korea are a joke , they intentionally tend to not make it serious cuz they're always afraid of the reactions of viewers . The only gay themed Korean drama that portrayed gays well was beautiful life God, Life is Beautiful was... well, beautiful. Even if they never kissed. Parts of their storyline can be found here, if anyone's interested. Edited August 27, 2013 by h0neanias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) sehun ain't even hiding it anymore That's Korean whispering. Must have been one hell of a secret. Then again... Edited August 27, 2013 by h0neanias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 How about actor Won Bin? He's got nothing to gain from having a beard, plus, the way it was revealed makes me feel they really tried to hide -- which would defeat the purpose. He might be trying just for himself, but I find that unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) The point is that "straight" is not the default human setting, and if you think that it is then the next logical step is to think that anything other than straight is abnormal, which is in fact incredibly damaging. And even if you yourself by some twisted bastardization of logic don't think that not being straight is abnormal even though you think straight is the default, if you behave like it is then others will get the impression that it is too, which is also damaging. Being surprised at finding out that somebody who you thought was straight is actually gay is light years away from assuming everybody is straight until proven otherwise. They're barely even in the same fucking ballpark. He said he assumes them being straight, not considers them being the default. I'd say there is a difference. He casts a prediction, that's all. Though I disagree with Ken as well, if only because the assumption will lead to faulty conclusions. Edited August 28, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Straight until proven otherwise = straight is the default Default assumption, not assumption of the default. As I understood it, there is a sack. Most beads are white, a few black. He reaches in. What he means is "I will pull out a white one," not "there are only white ones inside" or "white is the proper color". Offering a different reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) It's still an erroneous assumption. One could say "I will probably pull out a white one" and be correct, but "I will pull out a white one" is still incorrect. And when it comes to real life human beings, it can be hurtful to say the least. Oh, I agree that the assumption is erroneous. It just... won't work sometimes. Edited August 29, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) I'm pretty sure they admitted later that they made that kiss story up... Either way, what he did went beyond simple teasing. As I said, outing somebody is a massive taboo since it basically sabotages every aspect of their life and career, and he seriously looked like he was thinking about doing it... "Looked like he was thinking about doing it" is kinda flimsy, can't front. Edited August 29, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) DP. Desculpe. Edited August 29, 2013 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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