Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Bushi]

 

Today is a team battle: johnjae vs youngdong

The team who lose will have to hold hands when leaving work as forfeit

Donghyun: Full of love...

Johnny: Isn't it really nice~ So nice~

Jaehyun: It's the basic when leaving work right? Together, cozily~

 

Yeah this was nice. These words made it so the 'punishment' of two guys holding hands leaving work was a no big deal.

 

I appreciate that the 'tasks' are mostly fun, not meant to be taken that seriously - and pretty much anyone put on the spot will be giggly and self-conscious - but they managed it well. Several of the K-pop groups respond to such challenges by not treating non-hetero actions and sexualities as some big running joke to suit the show's scriptwriters. Maybe the guys and girls were smart already and just have more input in what they want to say and/or maybe it's what comes when more global, liberal fans are interacting with them, but it's interesting. 

 

PS: I recognise there are many LGBT Korean fans too and they will be making their voices known.    

Edited August 22, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Oh hey, Sehun.

 

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Probably.

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I like Minhyuk a lot. He's sweet and he says what he thinks. 

[Bushi]

Speaking of Pentagon:

 

 

 

They're adorable and that's only Vol 1, lol! I enjoyed these froliks and they seem so comfortable with each other. 

 

You know, I read that disclaimer at the start and the bit about 'not fetishising' South Asians really jumped out. Whilst I do think it's important people/fans get to grips with boundaries and keep it fun and hassle-free, I'll always think it's hypocritical. These groups are managed in a way which heavily encourages people to think they're all madly in love and getting up to hijinks. The role playing, I-flirt-with-him-he's-handsome-have-the-keys-to-my-bedroom need not be there to promote music, but it always is. I think it's a really big ask for the average, excitable fan (mostly in an age range of their own physical/sexual/mental development) not to assume there's something going on when the wannabe-gay formula is coming at them all the time with K-pop groups. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

^^ Just go into edit on your post and take out 2 of your comment copies.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

The undisputed hero of that video is whichever stylist stuck Suga in a Snow White sweater. 

 

Which he looks fabulous in, btw. 

[Bushi]

Just a lil' something:

 

"That's just my type."

(source)

 

 

Can anyone turn up at their wedding or do we need invites? 

[Bushi]

I'm sorry, why do I keep seeing this 'discord' thing every so often? I have no interest in it personally.

 

People keep coming here saying how 'this thread is dead' (this sentence keeps being repeated), when....it's not? It's kinda flowing along nicely every day, someday's there's double figs of updates. It seems fine enough to me?  

Edited August 26, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Gross is pointing a gun at someone's face or stealing from the charity box.

 

Two cute guys having a pretendy snog doesn't come close to gross. He shouldn't be so hard on himself. <3

[Bushi]

well, not dead exactly (and i did say "almost dead" but i get that you're not talking about me only), but definitely less active than it used to be. the discord seemed much more active when i still had access to it, so that's why i've assumed most people from this thread have moved on to the discord and spend less time here

 

 

Oh no worries, thanks for explaining. I was just like baffled, bcs it pops up every so often. Was it a gay topic forum? 

 

Edit, found this:

 

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I'm always glad when others speak up about it. It sure is a paradox. 

Edited August 26, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Backreading about ACE but Jun is pretty gay too (seriously there is a case for that whole group being gay) so he isn't actually grossed out. But lately they've been trying to downplay Wowkwan because those two are very obvious and the group is getting more attention now so they either up the skinship with everyone to normalize how they behave and throw in some no homo moments. But it's usually only Jun as a leader and it is usually half-hearted.

 

Yeah I mean I wouldn't expect late teen or young twenties guys all to be necessarily confident in front of cameras and of course, their families are likely watching so there could be a good deal of pressure on them from many angles. Important edit: many will be straight, lol. 

 

(Forget their name but I watched a really offbeat British interview a few years ago with a UK boyband and one of the members was gay and out so the interviewer made a comment about a male sex act, to much mirth. Another member pulled faces and went 'errrgh!' and he also had to be told what 'bearding' was. Roll forward to this year and he's come out as gay himself. So yeah, never say never.) 

 

I love Wowkwan. The more I see of them the more they come off as pretty into each other. The little dude seems to me more assertive and the taller lets him guide him and they look to have really good communication. They have a great dynamic and are def. an interesting pair. 

Edited August 26, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

^^ I think if you're well balanced and determined enough you can make anything work. 

[Bushi]

Months passed since I last posted here and I still think taehyung, yoongi and MAYBE Jimin are queer

 

I don't blame you. 

 

In about a week you also get a whole month of Jimin in the USA which is bound to be a goldmine. 

 

this is legit one of gayest things ive ever seen

 

 

I dunno about that but it's one of the most beautiful musical covers I've seen in ages, their voices are heavenly. Edit: It mentioned Ed Sheeran so presume it's a cover? I'm not all that familiar with his work. But if it's their own music, these boys slay.

Edited August 28, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I. M. is really interesting to me because he's one of those people who at times appears uptight about touching and at others, under his own steam, he can really go for it. I think it depends on what mood he's in. I can picture him as quite open to dating a man but I think he'd be private about it and it would be with someone outside of celebrity. I do think he's a really nice person. Hyungwon I get closed off vibes from him, like you can only see so far before a wall is thrown up. He seems to have some flirty interactions with Wonho, who doesn't mind. Wonho is a whole other kettle of fish but I wouldn't be surprised if all this buffing up at the gym wasn't all for the benefit of the honies. 

 

On the point about dating rumours: it's hard to know for sure because whilst a good deal of idols will be straight and have had genuine het relationships in the past and at school, there's also no telling how many people were forced to date the opposite sex out of deference to convention or just weren't sure themselves at the time?  

 

I'm usually suspicious when companies release things like past 'love/confession' letters or they dwell too much on school dating rumours. In my experience of PR and entertainment it can be a pointer that a person isn't/exactly what they're trying to force people to believe. That they have to dig up supposedly old shit or even invent new shit and present it as if old is rather...intriguing, shall we say. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I think its because with Holland, you can't separate him from his sexuality if you recommend his music. With someone like Troye Sivan, people still have plausible deniability because he's pretty popular and a lot of his music isnt explicitly about his sexuality. You can actually see that in action in that one Bts Billboard interview where Namjoon was asked about him recommending Macklemore's Same Love, he says it was "just because he liked the song" (which imo, in context with how he originally posted about it, is such absolute horseshit that any fan can see through it). Even what Yoongi said wasn't that clear, and its probably as outspoken as theyll ever be allowed to be. With Holland, theres no ambiguity, he's gay and his songs are about him being gay and his videos are about him being gay, you cant Macklemore your way out of recommending his music. I think what Holland said shows how scared people are of the entire issue, I think a lot of us get frustrated because it sometimes seems like idols just choose to be vague and could explicitly support us if they wanted to, but given their private support it seems that people really feel that they just cant. 

 

 

Those follow up comments of Namjoon's were ambiguous and a bit confusing to know what he meant. Maybe it just didn't translate well into print, idk. However, I do have to wonder if somebody 'got to' him over that. Like told him to pipe down some? But then Yoongi waded in to save the day, which really stopped Namjoon from getting a total pasting from many quite angry fans. And the thing is those words might not have been Namjoon's choice. But yeah, I often wonder if someone leaned on him a bit. He seems such a sweet, fair-minded guy. I can't imagine him having a bad thought towards anyone.  

 

I'm also glad artists have reached out to Holland and even if in private, it's a start. It's a pity more couldn't have endorsed him publicly. And so far there's no separating Holland from the LGBT message of his music but as time goes by he'll want to explore other topics I'm sure. I love him and his music but I'm not sure how much success he'll have. He has a solid international fanbase, his 'Harlings', but whether that will translate into bookings...? It's still early days for Holland. I'd like to think he can grow and do well as an artist both home and abroad. I think he's got a lot to offer. He's still being virtually ignored by mainstream Korean press, as is Marshall.  

Edited August 30, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

^^ You need to paste the url into the link icon, then wrap a [ tweet ] at the start of that and a [ / tweet ] at the very end (but use no spaces, I only used them so it would post clearly here). 

 

That should show the images up as embedded. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

^^ Aka, he floats your boat.  

[Bushi]

Speaking of Holland, it is pretty hilarious that any agency could just scoop him up and make him their (international) product and a big star. He has the rabid following, now you just need to train him as an artist, singer, dancer, etc, and make lots of cash. But nobody wants to sign him, and most of it is certainly just because he is gay. Like come on, there's money to be made! 

 

But maybe for now, this is for the best. It's nice to know that Holland isn't a COMPLETE product. He definitely has more creative freedom this way, and he should enjoy that perk. But he does need a lot of training if he wants to reach new levels.

 

Ironically he probably does have more creative freedom by not being signed at this stage. He's spoken of crowdfunding his mini album and judging by his Rolling Stone India interview he's a realist. He knows success isn't going to just fall at his feet and he'll have to work hard. His international fans are the bulk of his fanbase but he needs that push from home too. And he's just not getting that atm. 

 

I think his path will be more interesting without big backing atm because we'll see what he can do, rather than an agency's ideas. 

 

Another bit of cruel irony is if you are bi/gay in a group you're stifled as an individual to an extent by sacrificing yourself for the good of the unit. But if you're an independent gay artist few big names/big money backers in South Korea will touch you from the word go. I sense that it's hard to win. 

Edited August 31, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Ten: I saw the clip where his teacher said that he wasn't interested in girls and there were Thai people who said that if he was gay she would have said that he doesn't like girls.

 

 

They were all in front of cameras - on television, for a mostly Korean audience. Homophobic society remember? Edit: and largely female fanbase. 

 

And one more thing:Not being interested in girls doesn't automatically mean that you're not interested in the opposite gender.

 

 

It means exactly that.  

 

 

Not falling in love by a certain age doesn't mean that you're gay.Being touchy with the same gender doesn't necessarily mean that a person's gay

 

 

True.

 

Let's also not forget that Ten is pretty introverted (I know a lot of people see him as an ambivert but believe me he isn't) and I've seen the clip where he says 'I like soft and sticky things in my mouth' and yes it does come off as gay but I genuinely think that he was just trying to joke around and it came out wrong.

 

 

I think Ten is an adult male who knows exactly what he is doing and it's part of his cheeky, fun personality to push the envelope. What does he care? He ain't going in the Korean (or Thai) military. Whoopee! My boy can kick his peacock heels up some. 

 

And then Ten said 'See I wasn't into girls.' Now I know how that sounds but I've analysed it deeply and it seemed like he was saying that 'See I wasn't into girls, dancing mattered more to me.'

 

 

It sounds like he's saying he wasn't into girls. He could have said 'I wasn't into girls back then or just...then, because dancing mattered more to me'. He didn't. It seems pretty straightforward to me?  

 

And why is everyone ignoring the fact that his teacher also said that as a sophomore he came to her regarding a girl?Why is everyone so ready to believe people when they say that they're LGBT but so sceptical when it comes to people who say that they're straight(Heechul for example)? Isn't that just a bit hypocritical?

 

 

I think this has been adequately answered but I might add that it's a cool little story for the cameras. And if there's not much to tell by way of Ten and the girls at school then they have to say at least something, right? 

 

Only Ten knows what he is and the rest is just speculation on all our parts. But my Ted Talk on him would be the shortest in history because I'd just say he was family tbh and I'd hand him his welcome badge, but that's just me. 

Edited September 1, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

True.But when you've been observing people for the past decade you begin to notice minute differences in behaviour.

 

And again you're right about the homophobic bit but does that mean we constantly question people's sexuality? Because that's what this is becoming. At some point of time we are going to have to trust what they say.If you're going to trust LGBT people when they come out then it's best that people trust people who say they're straight unless they show signs of lying or hiding something when talking about their orientation.

 

Straight people do not have to lie about being straight.

 

Queer people do. It is not a level playing field. 

[Bushi]

And the way that queer people talk about the same/opposite gender gives them away. Like how Jungwoo talks gives him away as gay. In contrast how Jaehyun ,Johnny and Mark talk about girls suggest that they're straight or bi but I'm leaning towards straight or mostly straight for these 3 .

 

My best friend is bi and I've known by the way she talks about boys that she wasn't straight. Similarly my crush from last year, the way he acted gave away that he was bisexual.Then the two teachers who come in my bus. They're a same sex couple and nothing can convince me otherwise. There are certain characteristics that give people away even if they don't realize it themselves. Why do you think friends pick up on people who are LGBT?It's because they notice the difference in behaviour etc. Of course at times they can be wrong..

 

Probably because you are close to your friends? You spend much time in their company. You are tuned in to your friends little mannerisms and ways and you have a connection with them over years? You likely get to see the inside of their rooms and where they like to go, etc, the little things.  

 

I think that's the main difference between someone you're close to and can tell and those in entertainment, who only give away a part of themselves. Idols are public property, to some extent, and coached in what to say or do for at least some of the time. But it'd be hard for anyone to keep up an act religiously and I think that's why we see 'the gay', if you like, come to the fore with some of these men. It's hard to reign yourself in all the time and even the strictest of *suspected* closet cases have been known to slip up in entertainment. 

 

If you go back over this fine thread you'll see quite a few of the same names cropping up time and time again. I don't believe people just pluck these names out of the ether for shits and giggles, I think it's because there's a continuous running theme that never goes away/just keeps resurfacing. 

 

This is probably one of the straightest posts I've ever read on this thread. Which is saying a lot. I lost it at "not being interested in girls doesn't automatically mean that you're not interested in the opposite gender". Taeyong and Ten are two of the gayest NCT members with numerous receipts and this disrespect towards NCT's official bisexual line aka Jaehyun and Johnny is not the tea.

 

 

I've got to admit my favourite post of late was the truly fabulous 'So and so (is) bi or gay but probably straight', at which point all I can see in my mind's eye is Ten asking everyone if they like sausages.   He's my go-to brain comforter. 

Edited September 1, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Yes, let's get back to business.

 

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^^ Minhyuk's full monty re: his Ideal Type (you only got 3 screenshots last time):

 

 

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^^ He doesn't look that panicked:

 

 

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^^

Edited September 2, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Re: Wonho and sexuality based on clothing for Korean men. There seems to me to be less of a serious gender boundary in young peoples clothing there than there is in the west - at least in celebrity circles. Guys in entertainment can pretty comfortably wear crop tops, 'womens' blouses, dangly earrings and skirts without much fuss or public hassle from what I've seen. 

 

I might be wrong here but what would be considered stereotypical 'female' clothing to western eyes might be just considered cute, trendy and genderless in Korea? And they're being dressed by stylists so much for these shoots and live performances, so...you can't always be sure it's not a stylist's touch. Though the members might have input into what types of clothes they like or look good on them? I don't say clothing's not a factor but I personally wouldn't look too deeply into it for the reasons given. I'd be more interested in what they wear in their free time. 

 

I would tend to agree with you on Wonho btw, but for other reasons. 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Lol, Wonho's wandering hands. 

[Bushi]

Great news for India and our Indian posters here. Well done. <3

 

In their judgments, the justices said that homosexuality was “natural†and that the Indian Constitution was not a “collection of mere dead letters†and should evolve with time.

The Indian justices seemed well aware of the place they were taking in history. Nation after nation has been extending full rights to gay people under the law, and now India, as the world’s second-most populous country, stands, at least legally, among the more progressive.

Human rights activists said they hoped this decision would reverberate around the world.

 

 

Actually this wording is really something. Not even many liberal western countries rulings ever say homosexuality is 'natural' (it is of course, inherent across the entire animal kingdom but 'phobes never let facts and science get in the way of their 'phobiness). What is more natural than two people in love wishing to express that physically? 

 

I've deleted my thoughts on this next part re CDAN and the blind item bcs probably nobody wants to read it and it's not like anyone can undo what's happened. But RIP Minwoo. I'll just echo others that hope Korea changes for the better with time. 

 

Holland's mini album is nearly 40% funded already. Well done, Harlings. 

Edited September 6, 2018 by Bushi