Which male idols do you think are gay?

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2 hours ago, SingularEpiphany said:

I don't really know Chinese rumours. Could you link me to a site. Are those usually reliable? Because there were a random Redditor who said they were on a groupchat and saw sasaeng pictures confirming Tae's girlfriends (plural) and I just assumed they were bullshitting.  So do Chinese netizens have a different read on who's gay in BTS or is it similar to what this group thinks ? 

Edit: Now I think my gaydar's broken because Jin pings me but few else. 

I usually follow Japanese forums and Japanese fans bring so much tea from Chinese forums lol

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People seem to forget that In the Soop is a freakin TV show and follows a certain script/storyline for entertainment purposes. Does it make sense for you Tae and JK to talk about their innermost thoughts in front of so many cameras (with the audio technical staff monitoring their entire conversation) if they’re seriously trying to patch up things!? The whole situation made it seem like Taehyung and Jungkook never spend any time with each other. The amount of hours BTS work together and rehearse and go on BTS work related vacations like summer package/BONV etc, so you’re telling me Tae and JK never had the time to talk? How can two people who spend a lot of time together never find the time to talk to e/o...? How have they never had a drink together? Not saying this has no truth to it at all. Festa notes implied that Taehyung was reserved about things that were on his mind and i don’t want to question everything now but making this available content?? I don’t doubt that things have changed, them too and maybe they had problems communicating at some point but seriously, this doesn‘t explain why this would suddenly be a topic open for the public, when BH has taken so much time in the past, cutting their interactions as if they don‘t exist in the same space? Only 3 minutes in whole 10 hours dvd… Not even a single picture in the exhibition where BTS’s memories of 5 years are exhibited… 

 

 If you’re awkward and dont speak, it takes at least a week or two to get eased to eo again (speaking from experience) the fact that Taekook carried on the next episodes cuddling, cooking and sleeping together, playing and them being really close/cuddly on camera certainly didnt help give credibility to their newfound attempt to bond again. Honestly this is so transparent lol For God's sake, they had a list of what to do during the day before even they got there. If they thinking they had enough filmed, before even finishing a game, they just throw things and went to do other things lol Same thing happened with the Taekook speech. As soon as they thought they had film enough, they both just got up and left without saying anything just like that lol

 

I also agree that Jihopekook's friendship is highly promoted. Maybe Big Hit was pllaning to send BTS members to the army in two groups and will likely send Taehyung and Jungkook separately. Taehyung and Jungkook are the most popular members of the group. So they will send Taehyung with RM, Suga and Jin first, most likely 3J ( Jungkook-Jimin, J-Hope) become a unit. 2 vocal and 2 rap members will be back together and one of them will be one of the most popular members. Both groups are have enough popularity to release album and go on tour. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

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I have trouble following your train of thoughts: once you say they cut their interactions and the next minute you say Tae and Kook are seen cuddling, really close, cooking and sleeping together on camera? Also I don't think they stopped talking altogether nor that they fought, I just personally think they weren't as close as they were as trainees/rookies and maybe regretted those times, took that opportunity to do things together? Also why some things Tae said would be safe to take for the truth (him saying he went through a rough patch) but not others (him saying it was a long time since he's had a one-on-one talk with JK)?

Also my take on 3J doesn't rely on official content. Without mentioning the things they said during BV4 (that only the 3 of them had seen each other even for JK's birthday even though Jin, Tae and Yoongi were also in Seoul, and they had posted pics for his bd with just the 3 of them indeed): Jungkook and Jhope literally have bought apartments on the same floor across each other on the same day. They're always cuddling/touching as soon as they're near each other, when they spot the other one sleeping they immediately go to join him, Jhope said Jungkook kept slipping in his bed, Jungkook always smells Jhope's neck area, said Jhope's bed had a nice smell, Jhope kissed Jungkook's neck when Jungkook said Jhope would stay with him, Jungkook cried the hardest when Jhope almost left the group, they had private "dates" just the 2 of them to the Han river with Jhope's dog or in a gastronomy restaurant. And yet they're far from being even remotely a popular ship: they're not pushed, that's just them (maybe not as much lately, but until recently at least). And then Jihope are also really close because they've shared a room the longest. I don't think the company has pushed any "ship" since 2018 just like they stopped pushing the group to go on Korean variety shows: it's clear they've reached an agreement on certain points like these.

I'm also curious about the military plan they'll choose but I'm very certain the company won't have a say in this (advice at most). Even enslaving companies like SM don't meddle with that because it is a very personal issue. Whatever happens in this regard, I'm sure will be the members' decision.

 

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I don't know why you felt the need to share things about Jungkook and J-Hope being close? I already know that they are close, but it doesn't change the fact that this company promotes this trio in their official contens and in almost all photo shoots. Not to notice this, one has to either not really be a BTS fan or be a shipper or something. BH cleary promoting 3J. period. 

Also, I don't accept anything that idols say as a fact, especially if they say it in front cameras. Yes, that includes Taehyung too. Just by looking at how easily they lied about Dynamite in front of the cameras, you can get a much better understanding of how good actors they actually are.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

People has to show this 3j promo because I fail to remember anything in the last 2 years (I think one photoshoot and the Idol intro at MMA both in 2018? that's it?). But I think they had lot of content before because they were the dance line (mostly about dancing and then Tae was often there until he moved to RM's room), I'm just talking about the past few years (when they stopped doing a lot of stuff they were uncomfortable with). Also Jhope is the one who said he wanted to live with Jimin forever, just today said that Jimin had made this year happier and less lonely for him so he hopes it will be the same for 2021 and Jimin replied "this hyung can't live without me". And it's obvious Jungkook and Jimin are really close?

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I mean it's not just JK's birthday. When Jimin talked about his trips during their month break to Tae, only Jungkook and Jhope knew about it, even added to the story. I don't think any of these 3 are dating or anything, there was just a period where they were the closest (while still being close to other members) and I don't get what's wrong with that?

I wonder, are you really follow BTS or you just follow shipping contents?

 

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At least about ten 3J videos (and more only Jikook) were posted on Bangtan TV with the exact title "3J". Big Hit has been getting fans used to this name for several years. How many photoshoots can you find me that this trio is not together? Can you tell me how many years in a row Jimin and Jungkook have been matched on Summer Package? Let me tell you, 3 years. I mean, they're SEVEN people you know? Tell me this is not promoting lol

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, TataBoo said:

What do you mean they lied about Dynamite? Can you clarify this?

I guess some fans do not know about it because they don't follow every news.

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BTS had said that when they heard the Dynamite they decided to keep it in English, but they were actually already looking for an English song and most likely chose Dynamite from the English song demos sent to them. It's a simple white lie. in this interview with the producers/writers of Dynamite they mentioned how everyone went to war when they heard BTS was looking for producers for an English single which ended up birthing Dynamite. This is the entertainment world and nobody, yes nobody is 100% honest. Yes, not even BTS.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/bts-dynamite-david-stewart-interview-1049628/

 

 

 

 

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@Dont mind me @joonsoulie @dumdidumdi  No prob!

 

I just cited this as an example to show that we shouldn't trust what these idols say and do in front of the cameras. They can lie quite comfortably by looking at the cameras and smiling. They do whatever their work requires. Sometimes fans forget that no matter how famous these people are, they are bound by a contract. They jst doing their job.

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I have to laugh. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to say that SM encourages fanservice and that Big Hit only uses "genuine" interactions made by members? lol BTS members have been trained just like any other idol on this subject, they perform very well in everything from "characters to relationships" that they have to play in front of the cameras. That's why J-Hope's ships suddenly crash when he's stops playing. Yes, they don't join the fanservice when they don't want to, which is why Jimin shakes his head in disapproval every time Suga refuses to do FS with him. It's also ridiculous some of y'all acting as if we never seen members rehearse the fanservice or give each other signals to get started lol 

 

Jimin already handles almost 90 percent of the fan services within BTS alone lol He have no problem jumping and hugging on all of them. The fact that he's do FS with all the members shows how professional he works on this issue, which why I think he's BigHit's one of favorites. He's like a Suju member in BTS. lol Also, if you watch the episode where BTS is playing games with gamers, you will notice that jimin does not appear effeminate at all. I guess people think of him that way, just because he's beautiful, quite elegant dancer, and also because he's is very good at FS. 

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22 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

Whether I agree with them or not I do find it funny how this thread is like

"I haven't seen evidence of this thing, show receipts"

*someone shows receipts, gets negged*

Could you elaborate on this? If by appearance you mean the way he's dressed, they were all in tracksuits so obviously styled. And if you mean his behavior, yeah they were playing video games with a group of elite gamers, what is he supposed to do, play with one hand on the mouse and the other wrist limp? I'm not trying to come for you, but naming one instance where he doesn't seem stereotypically gay doesn't make him straight.

Gosh... You've stereotyping him so much that you even think I'm talking about his clothes. No, I'm talking about his attitude towards other mens. If you pay attention to his actions and behavior, you'll notice how different it is from the Taehyung's reaction to these new and young mens, who testing the waters by little flirting with one of them. Actually when Jimin is around these men, he ditched the fragile and effeminate vibe he normally takes on stage, takes a very masculine attitude. I think that shows Jimin taking on another image, like the masculine image he carried in the early years of his career but this time the exact opposite, because I think Jimin is not fragile and effeminate at all as he show it.

16 hours ago, Jiminmademebitbh said:

I think, at least from my perspective, people assume people think Jimin is gay or bi because he's feminine, which is not the case (at least for me). 

There's no way I can explain it other than I sleep with men as a man, I know what gay/bi men are like and what their energy is, and as soon as I first saw Jimin, I was like 'yep he's one of us'. It's just gaydar and its something that a lot of queer people can pick up on with men and women who are all over the masculine/feminine spectrum. I would think Jimin was lgbt if he was wearing an Adidas tracksuit and playing video games, and I would think he was lgbt if he was wearing a dress. It's not about his presentation (although, people really do forget that LGBT people have a culture, we have a style, and we do dress in order to hint that we are LGBT or to engage with that culture and style). 

Jimin seems happy to do so much of the fan service, IMO, because it allows him to actually be who he is whilst he knows fans and the media will explain it away with 'oh he's just doing skinship'. He seems to genuinely enjoy being flirtatious with men. I've watched 'Jimin flirting with women' videos and his vibe with women is just...so different. A lot of the 'flirting' isn't even flirtatious, and when it is it feels more 'I'm doing this because its funny and fun' where as with men its more 'I know you want me and I like that'. I think Jimin spent the early days of the band trying to conform to what was expected of him and butch it up, and now he's found a way to be more true to himself whilst the homophobia of the fandom shields his actions from being taken truly seriously/people will ship him for fun but will get angry if you say he's actually queer. I think Taehyung had the OPPOSITE reaction to doing fan service (eg distancing himself from 'Taekook') because he's a very...sincere soul and I can totally imagine him being annoyed that he's not allowed to be LGBT openly but he is encouraged to be a 'little bit' gay to please a primarily straight female fanbase and to earn them coin. 

I don't know why people assume Hobi is straight. If anything he reads as kind of asexual to me/he really doesn't indicate who tf he's attracted to or if he's attracted to anyone at all. He is really good at shielding whatever is going on in his head. 

I don't think there have any been any legit relationships in the band but at this point I'm wondering who hasn't fooled around at least once, because I fully suspect Jimin/Tae have, Jimin/Suga probably have. People underestimate how fluid sexuality can be, and if you're spending 24/7 in a group for ten years where a few of you are openly LGBT in the confines of the group, things could happen. 

 

There are only two instances where Taehyung reacted negatively to fanservise, the first one he didn't want to kiss J-Hope but others force him, and the second was he backed because he didn't want to kiss Jin. Other than that, I don't remember any negative reaction? It is already clear that his joke in Weverse has been taken out of the context. I don't even count that. 

3 hours ago, dumdidumdi said:

They definitely capitalize on any genuine interactions between the members, but it's naive to think that they don't also encourage it. I'm sure Bang PD didn't go up and say "Taehyung, you have to go up to JK and ask him to carry you bridal style" but I'm sure as trainees and rookies they were taught what sells, and fanservice definitely sells. And Jimin, well, while he does initiate most of the fanservice, and it seems like it's a play and not just him wanting to be close to whichever member he's romancing, it still feels genuine because he is a naturally touchy person. And that could all be media training, but I find it hard to believe that he would have Pavloved himself into falling into the members' arms whenever he finds something funny. He is touchy naturally, so it feels more natural when he does it so it makes fans more likely to believe that all these moments are purely expressions of the members' closeness. 

 

Of course, neither SM nor the Big Hit staff specifically tell them what to do, but idols have been training for years before they debut about FS. After debut, they learn better when to do FS.. Over time this becomes even more natural, even without planning they can easily do FS as it is now part of their job. If you look at Jungkook, you'll know what I mean. In the early years of his career, he was very young and more closed about FS than others. Back then, Jungkook was pushing him while Jimin was tryingt to do FS with him with the same enthusiasm. But then he grew up, matured, learned his job better, and learned to keep up with Jimin over time. Now, he's more natural. But Jimin was always natural. Maybe that's why he's shipped with everyone in BTS except maybe Jin.

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9 hours ago, Josaline said:

Imagine feeling pressed because someone call Taehyung Bangtan's baby jksjksjs 

She is one of the deulu Jikook shipper in this forum so I was not surprised. I don't really understand the Jikookers trying to paint Jimin like a poor omega who is weak and needs protection lol I mean this man owns a black belt and as the members have said many times, after Hobi, he is the most scary person in the group in real life. It only takes 3 seconds to knock Taehyung down ifJimin wants lol (btw where is the spoiler button? )

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1 hour ago, satoori said:

 

Mess, look at me going down memory lane, so using a spoiler since this ended up being longer than I expected...

 

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I guess, I see things slightly differently about their maturity levels. Nowadays, I see all the members as mature. Yea all the members take care of each other, and I'm sure all of us could probably find multiple clips of this, but I don't consider that babing. I mentioned Jimin because overall the members are babied (or synonyms like pampered or indulged might be better) a lot by him. But this could be defined as part of his personality of being attentive and affectionate too tho.

You're absolutely right, it depends on each persons definitions and perspectives. 

In the past, back when they were rookies. I agree, all of of them were a lot more immature. Maknae line naturally more then hyungs. I feel sometimes it's forgotten that not just Jungkook but all of maknae line was still going through puberty when they debuted. All of them were teenagers. Naturally Jungkook tend to be the focus since he is the youngest, fans watched him as a teen longer and the members usually mentions him in relations to puberty/moods swings.

The additional 'edit' opinion I shared in my first comment wasn't meant to be random. I specifically used certain words. Jimin use to have nicknames in Korean related to being kid-like. Even all of his suggested stage names was related to this personality (e.g. Baby J, Baby G, and Young Kid). In comparison, to Tae and Jk at least had other options not related to their age. Before Danger era (late 2014) there's a major difference in Jimin's personality. While he still have some immaturity, he's a lot more mature during Danger era and continues to mature into the person we see now.

He also have always been the most obedient out of maknae line, while Tae and JK were a bit less obedient. It's been mentioned before by members; JK behavior due to growing (puberty) and Tae being rebellious and not always listening to hyungs. Yes agree, these are traits that could be seen immature. But with Tae I personally feel its a bit of both. I don't see his rebellion as just immature I see maturity too. I feel those early years he was having a battle with himself. Going against Korean norms and standards. 

All of this most likely had an impact on how the hyungs treated the different maknae line members early on too. Could be a reason as you mentioned Jimin being well-liked and indulged by the others. Basically,  it seems in Korea Jimin is how a younger member should behave - overall listens and follows hyungs, follow rules and don't question much. Tae is on the opposite end. He doesn't always like to conform to Korea's standards and that has caused some conflict with his hyungs in the past. I use the word rebellious and independent to describe him because it easily sums up the different things hyung line have said about his past behavior. JK is sort of a combination of both of Jimin and Tae in this case.

About members including Tae more: I don't necessarily see that as babying him either. It seems more like a change in their group dynamics in recent years. For example, during live interviews Tae didn't always talk a lot, but now members try to include him more and ask him to speak up about his opinion. Back in the days there was a very clear hierarchy in the group. Rap line did most of talking about serious questions and went into detail. Jin chimed in when necessary and maknae line did more of the listening, agreeing and adding fluff. As they got a bit older, Jimin started being included more probably because he was better at getting his words together on spot. We all know Tae has his own TaeTae language according to Koreans, and this was even more so the case back in the days too. He didn't always use proper grammar and mixed up some words. While  fans see it as one of his unique characteristics, in some official interviews perhaps bighit/bts didn't think this. So it took a little longer for him to be included. During BIL era (2019) he even bought a book called ‘말의 내공’ which is about how to talk to people in a way you can attract them, talk fluently, deeply, and thoughtfully. (source) Nowadays we see the members constantly encouraging him to speak up and do what he wants. And not just talking but in general. I agree.

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Below are a few  quotes. Although many are from the past it's still part of the foundation of the group but also sort of can show how members have matured and discovered their own identity - which sort of relates to this thread. Also supports some of the things y'all are saying and me too in the current discussion.

 

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I'm keeping it mainly focus on maknae-line since the current discussion sort of ended with them but also because if include hyung-line this post will be even longer, but links provided to full interviews.

JIMIN

"Do you feel awkward living together? How long you took before getting closer? When I first joined, V really took care of me. Therefore I could blend in well." (Jimin, 2015 Hong Kong Concert Press Conference)

"Jiminie is very manly when he shows off his abs on the stage but actually, he’s a child so I want to tease him and joke around with him~ (Jimin: Recently, I’m even getting teased by Jungkook...) Your fate is to be a dongsaeng forever. Well, that’s also your charm." (Tae, 2014 Hanryupia) Note: Unit interview with Jimin and Tae.

Q: If you had to go to a deserted island, which member would you bring with you? Please state the reason.
J-HOPE: If I’m with Jimin, I think we’ll be able to make things smoothly.
SUGA: I also choose Jimin because he listens well to me (laughs). Besides he’s very vital so it feels like he’ll still live quite well even on a deserted island.
V: Me too! Finding food to eat and giving me a massage… it feels like there’s a lot of things I can use Jimin for!
JIMIN: I absolutely will not go to a deserted island, absolutely (laugh). (2014 Haru Hana)

Q: Recalling all of the events up until now, please tell us who you would like to thank and what’s great about him.
"Although all three of them are younger than me, they are like adults and handle problems very well. Especially Rap Monster – although his age is in the middle of the group, he plays the role of leader very well whether it is on stage or in life. I’m really thankful for that." (Suga, 2014 Haru Hana) Note: For this segment the group was split in half - RM/Suga/Jhope/Jimin and Jin/Tae/Jungkook - which is why Suga is only talking about three members.)

"Member I need when relieving my stress? *all point to Jimin* ( 2015 After School Club)

"I don’t like being an adult. Well, you’re starting to become aware of the reality and before you knew it, you will lose your dreams in order to have a stable life. That’s how I see it. So I don’t consider myself as an adult. Although my age will show that I’m an adult. I want to be an adult that follows my dreams just like a teenager. I hope Jimin will become an adult, who will stay innocent and naive like a teenager and also dream big." (Suga, 2014 Hanryupia) Note: Unit interview with Suga and Jimin.

TAE

"V is enjoying his life. (everyone laughs) He has many positive sides. Many would think ‘this won’t work’ but V isn’t like that." (Suga, 2013 TenAsia)

"He's like a genius at certain moments. He might seem like he's not, but V is actually very attentive, caring, thoughtful and checks everything from 1 to 10. I realized he's collected and menticlous. V has a wide range of spectrum. And he's not greedy like me. I just want to do everything but V archives everything step by step within the things he want to do. I think that's something I can learn from him. His calmness." (Jungkook, Japan's WeLoveBTS in 2018)

Q: What do you think of each other’s personalities? Who do you think is the strangest member?  All: V! 
Suga: Everyone says this but people with blood type AB are either a complete genius or a complete idiot. He’s both.
Rap Monster: In my opinion, he’s 10% genius and 90% idiot. (laughs)
Suga: Sometimes I think, “He thinks of things like that?” while other times I think, “Why would he think of that?" 
Jimin: Sometimes he’s worse than the maknae. (laughs) It’s fascinating.
Suga: But sometimes he comes up with really good ideas and surprises us. (2013 Cuvism Magazine)

"The members call me 4D. I don’t really know why they do that. (Rap Monster: When he has a blank expression like he does right now, he seems really 4D / J-Hope: I think V would have a lot of charms to show off in variety shows because of his 4D-ness.)". (2013 Ize Magazine)

"Last 4th ARMY kit you described V eternal secret weapon, why is that? I always like secret and surprise, these things. V is friend like that. He has this something that makes people surprised. Whatever he does... (Suga, 5th Army Kit 2018)

JUNGKOOK

"Our Jungkookie looks cute and he is multi-talented. The ‘golden maknae’. He’s good at singing, dancing, (jokingly) it would be nice if he doesn’t act sassy towards his hyungs… (laughs). He really behaves pleasantly towards his hyungs. He seems determined but he’s a guy who is really like a baby. He’s 17 years old. He has charms." (Jhope, 2013 TenAsia)

"I remember that when Jungkook first came, he was shorter than me. Seeing him grow taller makes me feel like I’ve raised him." (Suga, 2013 Cuvism Magazine

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Different discussion: While I was looking for quotes for the above I kept stumbling across others ones which got me thinking about topics from some pages ago...

 

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1. Some of y'all were talking about how Tae and Jimin have a bond because they share some sort of personal experiences. Base on different things they've said over the years, maybe there's some truth to that.

 

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"Even if i can't help you, I can give you strength is something I heard from jimin when just the two of us talked before . He's a friend who has lead me to change the way i think once more, and someone who has helped me mature, and well there's not much to say, other than that he's good and doing well." (Tae, 2018 Japan's WeLoveBTS Special)

Interview after Tae read his letter to JM - Tae: I'm a very bright person in front of everyone else. I haven't really shared my secrets with others. Jimin was the only person I talked to. Jimin came to my room and cried with me. When I was down and exhausted, Jimin came to my room and cried with me. I should've said thank you all this time. But I hadn't told him that yet. I'd like to say to Jimin. I wanted to say thank you for being with me. // JM: I think no one in our team would know how I felt. I think fans who watch us all the time won't know how I feel. Ever since we've been in Europe there were just to many things. Good and bad. After going through several things I got to talk more. I understand why Taehyung cried when read that letter. And I totally understand what he wanted to say. So although he didn't say much, I could just understand the feeling. Although you're close to someone the other person cannot know unless you talk. And that will make the other party very inconvenient. Although we know how we feel about each other, I think we confirmed that through this trip. Therefore I think there will be only good things. Even if it's not that good, I think we will overcome it together. (2017, Bon Voyage S2)

"You’re more than a close friend. You’re my savior! So you’re very precious (to me) and I want to be with you even when we become grandfathers. " (Jimin, Hanryupia 2014 January Issue)

A series of tweets in 2014 that was unexpected to everyone at the time...

V: Let’s keep going forever, I only have you.

V: Together we made a promise, lets not forget this night view jimin-ah! ㅋㅋㅋ

JM: "I just saw this ㅋㅋㅋ Lets keep going for the rest of our lives, my friend."

"I can even go as far as saying he's my one and only true best friend." (Tae, 2019 FESTA) t/n: He later introduced Jimin as so to the Rina from the ON MV too. (2020, Rina Johnson IG Story) 

"Your ideal love story scenario is? Maybe I’m saying what everyone yearns for in love, the one I love won’t look at anyone else, and always looking at me. I want to experience this kind of love story. (Jimin: Then you have to work hard and not let her look anywhere else. I think love is equal, if you want them to do it that way, you have to do the same to them as well. / V: Well said~) ".  (Jin, Oricon 2014, 防弾少年団☆STYLE Vol.18) *Even younger the two were already showing signs of supporting gender equality*

 

 

 

2. Y'all were talking about the dynamics between certain members thought out the years and how that might affect certain outlooks. For some reason, even after all these years the things said in these three (underrated) interviews always stuck with me.  I guess, because insight about some of the members personalities was revealed that was unexpected, at the time..now it make sense tho..

 

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1. V and Jimin share methods to make Rap Monster & Suga pleased:

V: “I’ll take photos with Rap Monster-hyung! I don’t know why but when hyung sees me he bursts out laughing. Suga-hyung is difficult… because he’s a Daegu-style manly man”
Jimin: “I know how to please him! Suga-hyung acts like a Daegu-man but if you praise him he gets embarrassed and laughs. Sometimes even if it’s not really a compliment like if you tell him <(in dialect) Hyung, today you look cooler than ever!> he’ll laugh”.
V: “That’s right! Also, Suga-hyung tells jokes but we pretend to be indifferent. After that Suga-hyung reacts weirdly but if we don’t answer to that either and don’t talk for some reason he’s pleased~”
Jimin: “Pleased… (laughs)” (2014 Haru Hana)

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2. How each member handle stress

Suga: When I get stressed, I sleep and produce. I do those two things a lot
RM: I have different methods, but the most unique method is, I film a music videos. For example, I go on the roof and turn on a song. I pretend that there are cameras there and do motions by myself. i pretend that i'm the protagonist in a music video. When I'm really sad, sometimes I get comfort by listening to sad music, and sometimes I get comfort by excited music.
Jimin: I don't think I know how to relieve stress. I really like eating, but I need to lose weight, so i can't eat the way i want to. So i don't know how to relieve stress.
Jungkook: Truthfully i don't know when i'm getting stressed or when i'm not getting stressed.
Tae: In the past, I use to meet up with old friends and ask, "what are you doing these days?" and have conversations with them. But since i'm to busy to meet them, I call them.
Jhope: In my case i sleep too, but we recently moved. We decorated our rooms with figures and a lot of stuff like that. When i see that kind of stuff, i think i can relieve my stress, since its organized the way I want it to be.
Jin: My personality is, i don't get stressed easily.  No matter how stressed i get, i forget about it in 5 minutes.(2015 Changmin Gayo Plaza Radio)

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*Note: I  always thought Jimin answer was the most unhealthy and depressing. At the time I had never heard anyone say that. Throughout the years he's been able to grow tho ..“Since last year, I’ve been going out and hanging out with my friends more often. Before, I used to think, ‘I’m going to live in the practicing studio. I’ll rest in the studio, and I’ll sleep in the studio’. After living like that for a while, I suddenly thought, ‘What else am I doing besides performing?’ I realized I never thought to relieve my stress, but I soon found out that meeting the people I want to meet is my way of relieving stress. After going out, I’m able to better focus on my work. To sum it all up, I’m good at having fun.”  (Jimin, 2017 Comeback Show via Ten Asia)

 

 

3. Topic starts off about strengths and weakness then evolved into something entirely different and deeper. More insight into their mentality at the time. One of the best thing about some of their older interviews is they had way less of a filter.

 

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(Asia Star 2014 October Issue)

Q: Here is the chance to talk about your strengths and weakness.

Suga: My mind has always been focusing on music and it seems that my biggest strength is the fixation on music. Because I’m the type that tends to focus/ put effort on one thing, so if my color (character) is well polished it’s an advantage. Personally, I try to change all the time because of the complex about it.

Rap Monster: My strength is being persistent but weakness is I can’t be persistent until the end. If I was persistent until the end ‘okay, he was like that originally’ and could have left it but because of my personality, I want to absorb/ accept many things so I can’t keep it until the end. I’m always looking for a halfway, then absorb a little bit and shift my focus on another thing. Generally it may seem to be good, but it would make people think that whether if it is a fatal flaw or not.

Jimin: Thinking positively, my strength and weakness are being hesitant/ lacking decision. Sometimes you need to be ‘yes I’m right’ but I can’t really distinguish/ classify between right and wrong. And because I’m a bit cautious so if I get shattered/ deeply affected, then I won’t be able to pull myself out for a long time. When I’m thinking alone, I would contradict with myself so I stick my tongue out. Haha.

Q: In what cases, would you be deeply affected?

Jimin: When I disappoint myself. If thoughts like ‘why am I lacking so much’ comes up in my head, I would be trapped in it for a long time. (Q: is there a person that can pull you out of the thought inside your mind?) Yes, when someone curses.

Suga: I curse a lot. I’m a person that you can trust with great shock treatment.

Rap Monster: Hyung, you don’t give people shocks but you throw people away. (laughs) You can just give them a shock with a CPR.

Suga: I have done it many times. My personality is that if I get cursed, there will only be two responses: ‘ah, really?’ and ‘okay, I will show you all (basically curse you back)”. But in music, it would be the latter response. Of course, I got cursed a lot back in the days. I’ve heard things like “you can’t do it”, “if you rap, you won’t succeed”, but I can comfortably talk about it now. I came all the way here as I’m letting these words go and prove them that I’m doing well. I will keep showing them the results/ output and then they will change their minds. (Q: You’re directly experiencing, so you think there’s an effect?) It definitely has an effect. If I hear negative comments and then give up ‘oh I’m not doing it any more’, I don’t think I can make music for a long time if I was in that state. I think this is an important part for my job.

Jimin: But I don’t think that’s a good method…

Rap Monster: This is the difference between personalities. I won’t be like that, if I hear these comments, I would be “ah, I don’t need any of this” and goes into a cave. (Jimin: Me… me too) Of course, it’s better to say ‘cheer up’.

Jin: In my case, even if I hear harsh words I won’t keep it in mind. I will be “what did they just say?” and leave it.

Jungkook: I will just ignore them.

Jimin: I really hate that way. I don’t understand why you need to listen to such harsh words. You can just get cursed. Hing, it’s a fifty-fifty.

Q: How about you J-Hope?

J-Hope: I’m bright and I like to approach people. If I get hurt, I’ll keep it to myself. And I won’t show it.

Rap Monster: Jimin shows that he’s hurt but J-Hope doesn’t.

J-Hope: So when it gets piled up and if it bursts at once, it will be uncontrollable.

Jin: Whoever ticks off J-Hope is really a bad person!

V, Jimin: That’s right!

Jungkook: My strength is that I know all my weaknesses. My weakness, I’ve mentioned before, I have so many things I want to try out and I make promises (to myself). But I change my mind after a couple of days. Haha.

Q: Haha, I will take it as you have a lot of good greed then. Jin, you said that even if you hear harsh words, you won’t keep it in mind.

Jin: I don’t get stressed. I will forget about it the next day. Of course, I will be stressed on the day, but I will forget everything after a sleep and wakes up the next day. That’s also my weakness. When I put a lot effort in practice or anything else I do, I will forget the next day. (V: Euhahaha)

Q: How about V?

V: I make a lot of attempt. If I can’t stand it while trying it out then I will give up. After an attempt, if it feels too hard I will put it aside for the time being. If it’s facing something difficult “I will try it!” then “oh, so it doesn’t work. Sorry.” (Q: What about saxophone?” Jimin: (claps) keuhahaha.) I learnt it even though I don’t like it. Ah, how did you know?  (laughs) Rap Monster hyung told me to improve my saxophone skills in order to show my charms, but it’s too difficult. Because you need to work your way up steadily for everything. I do my best to give it a shot.

Rap Monster: Jimin and I are living the hard way. Jin and V are living the easy way. (Jin: What do you mean easy?! It’s also difficult for us. Haha.) That’s not what I mean, because I think if I give a try on something new, I need to know the basics. Even when I play a game, I look up all the ways to attack. And how do I complete the quest after gathering the experience points… haha but these people are (V: I’m not like that!) “I will try it first! Hyung, what’s good about this character?” They can easily take a challenge. Sometimes I envy them.

Jungkook: I’m in-between.

V: But it’s a weakness that we can’t continue all the way until the end. (Q: So, what lasted the longest?) Saxophone… haha.

Rap Monster: Nearly 3 years! It’s going to be hard to be in a relationship for 3 years then!

V: 3 and half years. Yeah… well… right.

Q: But Bangtan will last long!

All: Euhahahahaha.

Rap Monster: (in a joking voice) it’s not long until the 3rd year.

Jin: We have 1 year and 10 months left.

V: I have tried and it’s pretty good. (laughs)

Rap Monster: You’re not already tired of it, are you? Hahaha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Girl, you need to stop now. Our topic is " Which male idol do you think are gay" If you're not going to say anything about it, shut up, because nobody wants to read your unrelated long essays. We clowned you, but you still don't get the message. 

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^ %100 agree.

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12 hours ago, Bushi said:

This rears its head every so often. I think that like the infamous Japanese Interview it depends upon exact translation, context (serious/comedy/frivolous), timing. He could mean it, or be doing damage control for whatever reason. But then...the heart can do more than just flutter, for example.  

It's up to you as an individual how much weight you give that statement compared to other things he's said and done before and since. 

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Outwardly all BTS members are officially straight in the eyes of K-pop and the world. Until (if) anyone expressly chooses to say otherwise. That may or may not happen, but I like to keep an open mind in the meantime. I'd be one of those unshookeths were anyone in the group ever to come out or make it super obvious in the future.  But then would it surprise me if they were straight? Nope. Could be anything. 

It's worth noting that in more recent times all of BTS have very much avoided going into detail about their ideal types, who they fancy, etc. It's become almost universally about the core and essence of how their musical message is disseminated. The brief has certainly changed. Apart from Jk's platonic friendship/romantic relationship/fwb (depending on your view) with the tattoo artist BTS have pretty much left fans to decide for themselves who or what they are. 

O/T a bit but maybe of interest to those who were discussing it last year: 

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 J-Hope again brought up the topic of loneliness or unfulfillment recently, when mentioning Justin Bieber's 'Lonely'. 

“Honestly, at this moment, I feel like I am living a life to fulfill a calling.

Also, my personal motto in life is to be thankful at all times despite whatever happens and to enjoy the moment."

It's as if he can't even have a proper moan without having to add in a positive footnote so as not to upset fans too much, who would worry for his wellbeing. 

But this is the second time (to my knowledge) he's explicitly mentioned not touching base with himself from within BTS. 

 

 

J-Hope's older sister will be getting married soon. She shared pictures from her latest wedding dress rehearsals. Undoubtedly, this will put more pressure on Hoseok as the only son of his family. We already know how much he grew up under his father's influence. So I am actually not surprised that he started to talk about marriage frequently. 

 

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15 hours ago, Bushi said:

Has he directly said anything recently about wanting to get married, then? I wasn't aware of that but knew about his sister. Also see below re: Jungkook and RM from their New Year messages, which just struck me as interesting, esp Jk's. I'm in no way inferring it shrieks 'I'm a secret gayer,' by putting it here but I think these sorts of statements are really intriguing in the broader sense of something bugging them; work, life in general, aspirations, freedom, personal image, etc? 

http://twitter.com/Sera84866894/status/1355020282981834753/photo/1

 

I think Dispatch goes easy on 'national treasures' because they'd certainly come off worse atm, and be the ones cancelled, shunned, mobbed and made bankrupt  if they fkD with BTS in any major way - at least over dating. I think there's a LOT of deal making with sweeteners going on behind the scenes with all K-pop companies and the press. Dispatch know that the Korean economy and image would suffer if they meddled at a high level. Wait until BTS star wanes a bit in the years to come and they start chipping away at the weakest link; the Zayn who seems to consistently want out, the member who's not perceived to be a team player/pulling his weight, the one making trips outside the country more often, or whose friendship circle goes against the accepted norm, etc. That's how it always starts, they target people on the way down. BTS are safe for now. The minute they start to lose their edge to TXT and other Bighit acts, which will happen, because that's natural progression in life, I'd expect one or two little snide stories to pop up. The press, who can appear kind, are always waiting for people to fall or fade, so they can go in.

 

He hasn't spoken explicitly as "marriage" but has already stated twice that he wants to find the his "other half" who will love just him. This gives me the impression that he is slowly starting to get fans mentally used to the idea of marriage. Most likely, he will be one of the members who will marry or whose relationship will be announced after military service.  There have been rumors about Jin for a long time that he was having an relationship with someone who was not famous. I think the other will probably be Jin. These, frankly, do not surprise me at all. They are the leading members of the group that ı feel they were straight.

 

As for Jungkook, I think what he's writing is more about the character issue.  For a long time Jungkook had said that he was mentally unable to develop and was stuck at his 15-year-old self. But since the tattoo girl scandal, he has obviously changed. He has always been saying, his members (usually RM) his inspiration or role model for a very long time, but for the first time late last year, he said he was only inspired by himself.I think Jungkook has been trying to find his own character among these young people around him for a long time, and he feels he's finally starting to achieve it.This is my impression from his writings.

 

And side note, It's nice to see that Taehyung is only focused on his music and mixtape. It made me happy to see that he would make his music at his own pace without feeling pressure. 

 

Another side note: Oh this is my 1000. post. 

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6 hours ago, Josaline said:

I think it is necessary to distinguish between rumors about Johnny Kitagawa and rumors between idols. I'm also for not speculating about which idol was abused by him or which idol slept with him in order to debut. The subject we're talking about is very different from this. There have been rumors about Jin that he has been bisexual for years. One of his closest American friends is gay and married, pictures of him in bed with a man fell out when he was in America, and he has been seen regularly in gay bars for years. I think there is so much we can talk about him.

You are right in your doubts. There were also rumors about Jin's wife, Meisa, that she was a lesbian before they got married. Now, of course, theories were born that they might have lavender marriage.

I don't know, but I think there is a very interesting relationship between Akanishi, Shirota Yu and Meisa. Shirota almost like the second father to Jin's children. 

Spoiler

 

Jin's interesting music video 

 

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I've always believed that the possibilities are always open until the person talks and clarifies the subject. Sehun didn't have to answer that question, but he did. I will accept his words and respect them. Because the countries we live in are very similar. There is no need to prolong some issues and endanger his health and safety. I hope no one will ask him questions like these from now on. 

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6 hours ago, Josaline said:

But you know, enjoying attention not = gay. Some people naturally like that.

Right!  One of the reasons people think Jimin is gay is because he likes the attention. For Jimin, it doesn't matter who the attention is coming from. He just loves it, whether it comes from a woman, a man or a door handle lol

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2 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Jimin does love attention, but don't equate one thing with another. He has many incidents where you cannot deny he actually enjoys the company of men and is flirting with them. I can see the difference between a attention seeker and a men who enjoys flirting and wants to act on it. 

We can offer something for Sehun or Heechul about when they is not in front of the cameras and outside their group. Can you about Jimin? I bet you can't. The only thing you can offer is the character he displays in front of the cameras. He flirts with a woman happily today and tomorrow with a man. He can be bisexual but a lot of things about Jimin are just stereotyping.

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13 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

It is indeed true that we have more on Sehun or heechul than any other idol. Look considering how well managed and careful BTS is, there never will be any real receipt like the ones we see on others. All I am going by is my gay instinct.

I had a quick look into your profile, I don't know how many gay men you know, but trust those who are similar to him and can tell when a man  is attracted to another man. 

See, I'm right.You don't have anything. Believe me, if there is one thing I've learned about the entertainment industry, it's that don't believe anything you see in front of the cameras. Especially if you don't have independent things to consider about him.

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1 hour ago, Dont mind me said:

I am not someone who singles out any person by name, so when I address something I do that more generally. But I can see that is not going to work on this site. But I was referring to the user who was talking about Jimin and who was so adamant about not having any real evidence other than our own experience. 

You can't be serious! I can't believe you were thinking that way without knowing anything about me. Let me explain what I'm talking about,

Fans went crazy about Jimin when they watched this Muster video, while the Shippers, of course, lost themselves.  When you watch the video, you will see Jimin doing extremely clice moves. But when you watch the behind the scenes, you'll see J-Hope asking him weirdly why he acted that way, and Jimin's reply was "The director asked me to act like that." Well what does it mean?

1) Jimin actually doesn't act like that in real life. J-Hope's reaction and his question prove this.

2) Jimin actually portrays a character, just like he portrays every time he steps into the stage.

3) The director asks him to behave that way. The director asks him to act in this way according to the script in his hand and guess who is preparing this script?

 

Jimin has shown two image since the beginning of his career. One is a macho, muscular man, and the other is a soft and effeminate man. So which one is the real Jimin? We don't know. Because everything is an image. BTS members have always named JHope and Jimin as the members who are the most different in real life than they were on screen. The closest are Suga and Tae. So unless Jimin shares with us from his real life away from the spotlights, we won't know anything about him. What we know about he is part of a friend group with Kai and Taemin. He prefers hanging out with his high school friends and real life friends. He had a girlfriend in high school. He's not afraid to have fun with girls in bars. He likes to be the center of attention and to be praised. What does all this tell us that he might be LGBT? Nothing. There is nothing we have about him other than the extremely cliché movements he performs in front of the cameras. That's what I'm talking about.

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1 minute ago, Dont mind me said:

Yeah I am not going to write an entire page on why this sounds so offensive. I will only say that Jimin and others like him in K-pop have been more open about being vocal about not wanting to be a typical masculine guy, your post diminish the growth he made in the last few years. This is why I said you have no clue what you are talking about and you don't even do you homework or contact anyone who is gay.

You obviously don't know anything about the entertainment industry. You don't have an answer for me either, because you know that it's all about image.

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2 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

Oof okay I know this post wasn't in response to me and if you think JM isn't gay that's fine I'm not trying to change your mind but...

1. Yeah, he was definitely acting for that video, because he was playing a character. And the reason shippers went crazy is because he/the scenario was feeding them. This may or may not be what you're implying, but I HATE when people say "you think x is gay because you want your ship to be real" because while this is certainly the case for some straight shippers, I would never use fanservice or even interactions between the members really as "evidence" because at the end of the day, they're coworkers. It's part of their job, so of course they're playing a character. 

2. Having dated girls in the past doesn't disprove the possibility of someone exclusively being attracted to the same sex. I knew more gay guys with girlfriends in high school than those without, and I went to a performing arts school. And referring to the Paris incident, he was there with a male friend and happened to meet a group of girls, one of whom spoke Korean, hence why they danced together. And a man hanging out primarily with women doesn't actually bolster the argument of them being heterosexual, to be honest.

Once again, I understand that idols have personas and they play up roles for the camera. But seriously, what else are we supposed to go off of when that's all that we see?

You're right, of course it doesn't prove anything. I just enumerated what we know about him. Jimin can also be bisexual. Can be anything.  Just don't rely too much on the idols and their image that I just want to emphasize, fanservices they display on stage. Then you will only be disappointed.  I just wanted to underline this.

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12 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

There is no answer because no one will come out anytime soon. It will hurt their career. You don't need to take any advise or direction from us, all I am asking is have an open mind and don't come of as a fangirl disagreeing just because she doesn't want a bias to be gay. That is how you sound to me right now. 

I may live in an extremely homophobic country but I am really open minded.^^ Maybe I'm just more realistic than you and I know more about entertainment world. Besides, Jimin isn't even my bias lol

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1 hour ago, Passwords said:

Do people actually ship this? Lol Jin has known Jungkook since he was a grown man and JK was a kid. Like if they ended up being an actual thing I can’t say I’d be a supporter, but if that’s their thing I’ll let these shippers rock edit: also no I don’t think it’s likely theyre together. More like there’s someone else in Jungkooks life that he constantly addresses as such, and accidentally called Jin that because of it lol people in relationships tend to do that. 

 

Yeobo’ (여보) is just a common pronoun (or word) for one’s husband. It is kinda weird when you say this to your boyfriend or fiance, since it is for your ‘husband.’ While in USA women just call her husband’s name when calling them, but in Korea, ‘Yeobo’ is the way to go. I mean some people might call their husband by his name but it’s pretty rare. So Jungkook didn't use this word because he has someone in his life, he has to be married to get used to it. He just confused the words, which is already evident in the video, corrected himself.

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20 hours ago, blossoms said:

여보 doesn't mean husband, it is genderless and means something akin to 'darling' or 'honey' and is typically used in married couples, but like how we use these words, those who are dating use it for fun as do friends who are playing around.

I know it doesn't mean husband, I just wanted to explain that it is a word women use to call their husbands, but actually both women and man can use this word for their husbands and for their wives. It is a sentence of affection generally used between married couples in Korea.

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hmmm Is that Adora? I thought it was just a random female staff. I wasn't aware Adore traveled with them to LA to shoot American Hustle Life in 2014. 

Both her and Jungkook were around the age of 18/19 at the time. 

In 2016, she was recruited by Big Hit through the audition "2016 Next New Creator".

In 2014 Adora was probably still with her old company(?). For those who don't know, Adora was was suppose to be a member of The Ark (debuted 2015).

It's hilarious how the rumor mill recycle old photos. This exact photo is used to try to claim him and Minji were dating.

 

 

I think you mixing the photos. Read the posts again.