Which male idols do you think are gay?

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2 hours ago, boredoutofmymind said:

I hope my original post didn't seem like I was knocking you for even bringing it up in the first place and I agree to an extent, some blind items aren't totally unrealistic and they shouldn't be dismissed on the account of them being blind items. I'm still unsure whether this magazine even published said article ngl but I guess that's a different story all together because it sounds like this source came from Pann and there seems to be some discrepancy on when the article was even published

I have no issues with shippers in the general sense, I think my main issue when a thread about who is gay starts to become more of a "let me use this opportunity to push my ship as real" it takes away from the original convo but I see your point that this space should allow for all types of conversations. 

No don't worry I didn't take personally. I just feel like there is a counter productive consensus that has been going on in this thread for the last few years.

This thread used to have WAY MORE posts about ships and yet many more interesting takes. Key, Jaejoong, Seungkwan or Sehun's first receipts were all shippy (Heechul's first receipts were the same as the kind used for JoKwon and look where we are: so non-shippy receipts are not much more reliable).  

I mean, we're trying to guess if a guy is attracted to other guys here, so it's reasonable to look at his interactions with other guys. It's entirely subjective interpretation, of course, but so is everything else we discuss.

And there was a lot of delusional shipping too back then. Chanbaek was as crazy as Taekook but it didn't stop people from adressing Sehun/Tao or Sehun/Baekhyun (that might have not been "real" but said a lot about Sehun, Tao and Baekhyun individually). Users just knew to ignore or dismiss absurd takes.

(yes it was all about SM back then)

So yeah, I'm team "let's stop being the fun police" and please everyone, post about the ships that you think are sus among your faves. If anything, even if it's not compelling now, it might be one day, who knows? And maybe we'll talk less about BTS or 2nd gen, because not every idol has the leniency to post LGBT content, dress in drag or make subtle comments about their sexuality...

Edited January 24, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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On the Namjoon bf thing:

- fans don't know to stay in their lane...

- I don't really side one way or another yet. There is interesting potential in the bf material but NJ pings me as a straight ally (I've said it before, but mostly because his LGBT-friendly comments all sound too politically correct and neutral, like the subject isn't personal to him).

As for Jin, personally he pings me as straight and maybe not wanting a partner. I'm not going to develop further on a gay thread though ^^

On 1/26/2022 at 5:27 PM, thegirlsrfighting said:

 

It's just a respectful piece of advice (that works for anyone who needs it). 

I've come to a point (maybe age) where I think that detailed analyzing isn't healthy. Either if it's to prove that Nj has a bf or that he hasn't one, it is obsessive behavior to absolutely want an answer based on "facts".

Firstly, because they're not facts. We only get snippets of their lives + media-trained words and interactions to go with. There's no material that is more "reliable" than some other, no matter where it comes from (idols could be acting, lying or manipulating to protect themselves or appeal to fans, even to/with their members, and be extremely good at it). 

Secondly, because people interpret "facts" through the lens of their bias, wishes, identity, personality, education and social environment, no matter how objective they wish to be. Some people will read things that you consider facts differently. That's human.

And finally, because you won't get an answer.

So I've come to think that the healthiest way to speculate is to form an opinion based on your guts. Because it's fine, everyone does, and it's fun to see why other people might think the same way or differently (it might lead to a consensus, but it still doesn't mean that the majority is right, or some people, including yourself, could start seeing things under a new light).

So please don't fret too much about other people's opinions. You seem to think that NJ hasn't posted about a bf and the reasons you've given before were perfectly reasonable, so no need to "prove" your points and try to convince people that don't agree with you (that's often when it gets weird).

That's coming from a friendly place, I promise.

On 1/26/2022 at 12:08 PM, mEeEeE said:

 

I think you could take this advice too, but you might be in too deep to hear it.

Edited April 11, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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13 hours ago, miwa201 said:

This is a good point. I don't know if it's because he's the leader so he has to be on his toes all the time, but I thought it was quite telling to see the difference between how he and Yoongi responded when they were asked about LGBTQ people in an English interview a while ago.

Yes and not just that one (for example, in a twitter convo with bang pd about macklemore's song, there was a misunderstanding and NJ asked "are you asking if im gay?" and I feel like an actually LGBT trainee wouldn't be so casual about it to their boss, on the group's twitter account). Also, his LGBT consumption is what I would expect a straight ally to discover (mainstream, like Love simon, moonlight, blue is the warmest color, macklemore's same love), especially compared to Tae's consumption of LGBT content (much more unknown).

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Talking about Tae, while searching about LGBT content that NJ talked about, I stumbled upon this and tought that it was interesting (I've never seen it here before, but maybe I've missed it):

Namjoon allegedly recommended it in 2018 btw. 

The main theme of the book is "mask/masquerade" and the woman that the protagonist tries desperately to love first appears in the book with a "red jacket" (both are the main themes in Singularity). The protagonist basically adopts a personality that explains his homosexual thoughts/urges so he can pretend that he's not actually homosexual, even to himself, but he keeps being tormented by these thoughts. And I feel like it does fit with Singularity's lyrics (as I read the frozen lake as a place where Tae buried his true self).

Could be a coincidence, of course, but the story is also a bit reminiscent of Stigma and fits my perception of Tae in 2013-2016. Idk Tae could have resonated with it and suggested it to NJ who wanted to understand him better? 

Well, speculation and theories, of course. In any way, there often seems to be LGBT codes when Tae's involved somehow 

Edited January 27, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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12 hours ago, thegirlsrfighting said:

i definitely agree with tae possibly being lgbt and going to joon (the man who creates a lot of concepts for members) to help research for his concepts. joon always says tae’s songs are very personally to him.

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the only thing is i did a lot of digging and research and i never found proof of him reading the book, or recommending it at all. the farthest back it goes to him apparently reading the book is around the time singularity was being teased and an account tweeted that he read it with no source. since then fans have been saying stuff about it like “he recommended it himself, he said himself singularity is inspired by this book” when there’s nothing saying it is besides a photo of him reading a book that isn’t even that book and someone in a tweet saying he recommended it.

https://imgur.com/a/z2KHkCU

the source people always use is a tweet of an account saying he read it right around the time singularity was being teased. i guess it was just an assumption from queer fans considering how similar it is to the book. he said it was inspired by the book “singularity” which could’ve been his base and tae could’ve added more on to that. i can see singularity and stigma being about tae’s struggles as a queer man still even if the book wasn’t involved.

i only bring up me not finding anything on this book and nj because it’s became kind of a fandom rumor that has had more and more stuff added on to it out of nowhere. you can find an archive of almost everything he has recommended or almost every book he has talked about online with a source but most of the time for this book i can’t find anything. 

 

Sources often disappear, like translations and reports of fansign accounts or any form of exclusive content, for examples. I've seen older videos and interviews completely disappear off the internet as twitter wasn't widely used like now, websites like aminos, YouTube, dailymotion and Tumblr were.

Once I searched a specific moment I remembered to post it here, and it took HOURS because the moment had never spread on twitter and OP had deleted all of their accounts. Fun fact: the moment appeared on twitter for the 1st time not long afterwards so i'm 80% sure that it comes from my video ^^ (or maybe Tumblr, the chaotic archive).

Also I don't see why OP would make up that Nj read that particular book (it doesn't serve any agenda). But yes, it could be made up, like any sticky note allegedly completed by an idol during a fansign. We're working with unreliable material, that's just how it is.

Edited January 27, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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2 hours ago, geographic said:

The amount of paragraphs I just had to scroll through that were just about taeyong not being baby and namjoon being hetero

And you're commenting about it without making much of a contribution yourself, a never-ending saga indeed 

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I saw this (idk if it's been discussed before) and I wonder what was the consensus about Seungkwan among carats lately because I feel like he's not talked about as much as he used to be?

Not very classy... (reminds me of Chen with Sehun)

Personally, I used to perceive Seungkwan, Mingyu, Jun and Jeonghan as gay or bi (in this order of likeliness). My opinions about Joshua, Hoshi, Vernon and Minghao swung back-and-forth (the last five didn't ping). But I've only followed them from afar starting from 2020, so it could be outdated. And now I'm back to being curious ^^

Lately, I've mostly seen Jun + a bit of Mingyu, Vernon and Minghao I think? If there is any interested carat to discuss, what's your overall take of the group?

Edited January 27, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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6 hours ago, Tixy said:

Stop making the specter that haunts this thread grow stronger by acknowledging its presence and discussing the ethics of rape depiction in Berserk! Literally anything is better than this lol, proven by the fact that everyone is liking a 9 word post about there being just so many in-group relationships. 

Honestly don't think it was that deep. EXO members would literally go like well you know how Sehun and GIRLS just aren't the right fit  teehee no one knows what we mean~. Here Wonwoo is just saying that Seungkwan is a decent guy when it comes to girls, and it may not mean anything beyond that. If it was meant to be a wink wink joke, at least it was subtle enough and no one would find anything odd there had Seungkwan himself not commented on it. 

I think you misunderstood the segment: Wonwoo quietly commented "personally I would introduce Seungkwan to my dongsaeng" and his dongsaeng is a boy (reason why he wasn't asked the question, why Sk scoffed a bit and why Woozi laughed).

And I disagree with you about Chen and Sehun, it was a bit uncomfortable to watch on behalf of Sehun that even Ryeowook promptly moved on (ultimately making it even more obvious that we all had interpreted Chen's answer right).

But maybe Seungkwan and Sehun personally didn't feel like a boundary was crossed. They know their members, it's a matter between them (but I stand by the general principle that it is not classy to make a joke allusive of their sexuality about a closeted friend without discussing it first).

Edited January 28, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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On 1/11/2021 at 3:47 PM, OptimusPremier said:

The unlikely/likely question has been addressed many times before.

1 LGBT member in Nsync

2 (out of 4) in Blue

2 (out of 5) in Spice Girls that have hooked up

Union J (2 out of 5)

Boyzone has 2 and they were together (out of 5)

A member of Westlife (out of 4) and a member of V were together

The Overtones has 2 (out of 5) 

And that’s just 7 groups out of the few that are still relevant enough that it’ll get media exposure in their country but not relevant enough that it’ll endanger their careers (point is: even in these groups some are still in the closet because coming out is no easy thing to do). 

Proportions of LGBT persons in entertainment fields are higher than in others (especially in Kpop that is a niche in SK that "real men shouldn't like") and these groups were only 4/5 with 1 or 2 LGBT members: now imagine if you throw 7 to 12 members in the same house with the same proportion of LGBT members (so 3 to 6 LGBT persons living 24/7 together in a way 90s bands didn’t) and the chances of hooking up/getting together increase even more.

In the Kpop world, I do believe (and it’s a popular consensus) that there was something going on between Yunjae and between Jongkey. There also might have been a beginning of a something between Verkwan, maybe one-sided. I've seen here a couple of "nugu groups" pairings who were pretty convincing as well.

 

Quoting myself because this thread's going in circles (I've posted this a year ago). To add to it, managers usually only live with groups when they're rookies. 

But on another note, who cares about statistics on a gossip thread, anyway? A, B, C, D and E might be gay but since it's "statistically impossible for 5 of them to be LGBT" this thread has began evaluating receipts. Why??? Let's discuss them all! We have no idea which receipt is more/less likely---Heechul and Momo have always been widely speculated in the gay/lesbian threads with so-called "serious" receipts and look where we are (and I'm saying this as someone who's not entirely sold on Momo/Heechul).

DISCLAIMER:  IT'S A GENERAL YOU, I have no one particular in mind, it's just what this thread has become somehow

Gossiping is fun and this is a forum where people shares theories and potentially-LGBT wholesome content (ships included). If you investigate receipts and base your more "reasonable" opinion on so-called "facts" then you're obsessing about accurately examinating someone's private life (just like the shippers you condemn). This thread's not a place to accurately determine idols' sexuality: it's a gossip forum about idols you think is LGBT for whatever reason floats your boat.

 

And now, my own little stupid receipts about my idol---which I personally think is gay---because I haven't seen those in a long time :

 

Yes this is another instance of Yoongi ranting about manly men being his type hytgrfedz

Edited February 23, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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2 hours ago, mEeEeE said:

GD liking “half gay” and “bottoms do it better”?
I wonder if Jennie knows…

“Good Boy” kinda hit different now. 

Also Tao “accidentally” liked a Tao/Sehun NC-17 fanfic on Weibo

Damn, even though this thread preferred Sehun/Baekhyun, I've personally always said that there was something going on with Tao/Sehun! (at least Tao having a crush on Sehun, but honestly they were kind of really flirting sometimes)

Edited February 23, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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5 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

does Yoongi have any recent receipts? whenever people bring him up it’s always stuff from severallll years ago. i have no opinion on him personally but i’m curious

He's the only one who really put himself in Little Mermaid's place (Jimin came close, but stayed pretty vague) like, what's not easy to do with the Prince without legs that's having you laugh like that and made you chose legs over voice, Yoongi?

This type of specific fanboying is not commonly something straight men do over male celebs (even if he wrote them separately). 

He really likes Jungkook, Namjoon and Taehyung's biceps.

Idk what Taehyung had in mind when he said that, but it's something somehow yhtgrfedz like.... ??? what?

Those are all from 2019/2021.

He doesn't really post on social media and interviews have been very music-oriented, less about partner types and stuff -as they should- in the last few years, so I guess that's why there are less instances. They also have way more attention on them since 2017 and even more since 2019, so maybe he's cautious now.

 

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9 hours ago, starryjm said:

The translation is a bit confusing. Yoongi imagined scenarios with those certain idols (not together, but in separate thoughts). Kind of like fantasy football, where you imagine your favorite player beating another. Imo, there's not any queer connotation here. 

That's also an interpretation, but an interpretation nonetheless. Even if he didn't write, he imagined stories about male celebs. That might be not be a "serious" receipt, but like I always say, I consider the big picture and for me it's something.

I see that this thread doesn't want to change... Like, nothing's reliable here. All is up to interpretation, do we need to point it out every time or put some disclaimer idk...?

Edited February 24, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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1 hour ago, starryjm said:

Some interpretations are more likely than others. Is it more likely for an idol to admit he wrote fanfics about two men in a romantic relationship, or is it more likely for an idol to admit he imagined scenarios in which certain idols played a role? Straight men fanboy over men all the time. One of of men he followed was a sports player. Even in the west where masculinity is much more rigid, it's more common for men to fanboy over sports players than not to. 

Is it more likely than he imagined romantic stuff about a male singer or... idk what do straight guys imagine about male singers? More likely/statistics/more reasonable..., are we conducting a thesis or gossiping?

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4 hours ago, KiriL said:

I just went through comments under this tweet and they are saying it's a mistranslation, do you know if it's true or maybe it's some of those nuances which one translator can translate in one way and another in slightly different way?

One of his recent receipts is that he bought lgbt-themed shoes. What is interesting about this is that people were trying to say that it doesn't mean anything (as people usually do when smth lbgt related going on regarding members) but apparently those shoes were from some limited collection which you could buy only by coming in person to the shop which implies that he indeed knew what he was doing and for what he went to the shop. At least that's what I read on twitter so correct me if somebody knows better and I am wrong.

https://footwearnews.com/2019/fashion/retail/vans-love-pack-pride-shoes-2019-release-date-info-1202793763/

I checked and it was available in only one store, even! And the campaign was tied to a LGBT funds project! That's very meaningful, like he had to know to get them specifically (released in june 2019 for pride month, but he wore them publicly in oct 2020 btw, more than a year later, so he didn't do it for exposure, it was a personal decision).

Vans is celebrating LGBTQ Pride Month in June with a limited-edition two-piece collection called “The Love Pack,” sold exclusively at the brand’s Vault by Vans store at 219 Bowery St. in New York.

In addition to the Love Pack release, Vans has donated $50,000 to The Trevor Project, which is the world’s largest organization providing crisis intervention and suicide prevention services to young people in the LGBTQ+ community.

Edited February 24, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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2 hours ago, .peach. said:

What's interesting to me when it comes to clothes/shoes/jewelry being used as a sign of... anything:

• if it shows support to a group of people, if the money goes for a good cause, etc - the idol bought it, he's totally informed about it
• if it's showing something insensitive, vulgar, rude - the stylists choose it, idol doesn't understand the meaning.

So I don't really take any of the clothes receipts serious (even as a sign of support) unless it's something obvious like in case of BM,  Byeonkwan, etc. Fans can't just decide in which case the idol personally went to a site, investigated the cause and everything, and then bought it with a purpose, or if they just took random pretty shoes a stylist gave them. 

Like, I bet if Joon wore "kill the squirrels" on a t-shirt in one of his ig photos, everyone would attack the stylist because "he must have misunderstood the meaning/didn't read it/forgot english right? right?"

Sorry for the stupid example, but tell me that's not how it would be

Stylists heard about a limited-edition LGBT campaign from VANS, only available in one store in NY, and thought we absoutely need to get there asap and get a pair for Yoongi? 

They were all wearing their own clothes, they just quickly dropped by a BTS pop up store before its opening. Anyone can tell the difference between photoshoot/stage and regular clothes? We've seen enough of them getting ready in their dorm for the airport and I believe we're all versed enough in the kpop machine to make the difference?

Support with clothes isn't telling, stylists choose them because idols can't dress by themselves (managers probably do it for them since they live together for 20 years). Support on social media isn't it either, they just follow trends without thinking. Lyrics are just plays with words, they're not that deep. Inclusive statements are just PR. Attraction to males is fanservice, they're just colleagues or roommates, sometimes enemies---they go through all stages of human interactions except friendship and partnership actually. Talking about males with attraction undertones is normal in SK. That comment was lost in translation, there's no way he could have said that, he's controlled. He was trying to be funny, he didn't mean it. 

I'm exaggerating to make my point, of course but:

1) let's just close this thread if we can't address any of these, else we're going to run in circles about the same 2 idols all the damn time

2) idols are not dumb lambs who never mean their words and whose every move is controlled by the evil company---and people need to learn to make the difference between a clueless rookie who will do anything to succeed and a senior idol who is successful.

3) about Yoongi; he has gazillions of receipts but he never means it/it's not his doing---I'm going to start believing that this man is cursed being suggestively gay without meaning to... 

 

If you want facts, you at the wrong place. "Serious" receipts are a joke. They just don't exist: nothing's serious here, except saesaeng shit because they invade their privacy while we work with what an idol gives publicly.

Heechul got recorded leisuring privately, naked/half-naked in bed with and by a man who is not a celeb; the two of them repeatedly hung out privately just the two of them, went on vacation and visited family together; he's been friends with Hong Seokcheon for years; he makes inclusive statements about appealing to men; he always enjoyed looking feminine or androgynous, has stereotypical mannerism and enjoys playing female roles; he had gay rumors about him within the industry and the korean public, he addressed them but never denied. Those are pretty serious receipts, right? Yet he got exposed for appearing gay on purpose. But it still doesn't mean that these exact same types of receipts don't stand true for another idol, like Key for example.

Big pictures, people! Please stop with details and semantics, we're not investigators nor politicians.

Edited February 24, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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On 2/25/2022 at 4:10 AM, starryjm said:

Isn't this a thread where we discuss our opinions on idols who may be queer? My opinion is this receipt isn't a good indication of Yoongi being queer because many straight men do similar things. 

 

On 2/25/2022 at 4:38 AM, thegirlsrfighting said:

i agree, if we are discussing our opinions on sexuality we can be able to disprove evidence and prove evidence 

So... who leads the case? Do you have a certification to prove/disprove evidence? If it happened, that's all that needs to be proven, and not even (I don't see why we couldn't discuss rumors on a gossip forum because it doesn't meet your standards of realism).

You don't realize that that's why this thread keeps going with pages and pages of nonsense because people argue about semantics and basically discourse how the world works everytime one receipt is posted. This isn't a "what do you think of other users' receipts" thread, this is a "who do you think is gay" thread. That's it.

If I say "I think Yoongi's gay because of this, for example" :fFirslyt, that's not my reason to believe he's gay, but I'm not going to post all the reasons I believe Yoongi's gay as a disclaimer each time I stumble upon a receipt that I want to share. Secondly, it's LGBT shoes on a gay thread, it's wholesome content. That's not because some users tend to be obsessive and delusional that everyone is until proven innocent.

There are 172 persons following and if 172 persons start giving their opinions of every single receipt, don't get surprised when we get 10 pages of bullshit everytime someone posts something with actual content.

Edited April 11, 2022 by OptimusPremier

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1 minute ago, starryjm said:

When did I say that? You're putting words in my mouth. All I'm doing is giving my opinion, I never said you should delete your post because it's spreading misinformation. I'm just giving a different perspective to this receipt. A reply option wouldn't exist if there wasn't supposed to be discourse in this forum. If you don't want anyone to comment on your receipts, go to reddit/twitter and turn off the comments.

And I didn't say users never bring something new to the table or an interesting take on something, or add to the content like other people did. But I fail to see how saying that stylists dress idols is an interesting or a new take? Like I said, if 172 persons give their opinions about everything, it stirs the thread away from its purpose and drowns the content. Now I'll stop with this convo because we're derailing the thread as well.

 

To amend for derailing the thread, here is the only time I genuinely wonder if Jungkook's crush wasn't more serious than I used to think:

 

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5 hours ago, mEeEeE said:

This is what I think of BTS from a non-stan casual perspective. (I mean I used to really stan them around 2017, went to their concert and camped outside the stadium to get front-row in the moshpit lol.) But then I discovered NCT in 2018 and never went back to BTS, though I’m still a casual listener. A lot of the things I’m mentioning I’ve found out from reading this thread. 

Anyway the most sus are Yoongi, Jimin and Taehyung. 

Yoongi has said some sus things lol. The lgbt shoes could be because he himself is lgbt or an ally. I don’t think he’s gay gay cause I think I’ve seen him show attraction to girls. 

Jimin. I need to watch that video where I think it’s Taehyung who goes “I think Jimin likes men” and Jimin goes “I don’t like you/YOU”. Cause it could be interpreted as he’s telling V he’s not into men (I don’t like you), or he likes men but doesn’t like V (I don’t like YOU, RIP Vmin). Nonetheless he generally gives off lgbt vibes to many and him flirting with men, not sure whether cause he just enjoys the attention or is genuinely attracted to them. If I was forced to bet right now I’d go bisexual/pansexual. 

Taehyung is sus to me because of his interest in lgbt art and media. But if it wasn’t for that he wouldn’t really be on my gaydar (but doesn’t mean he still couldn’t be lgbt). Why does he go “I think Jimin likes men” anyway? Is it cause he’s a straight teasing Jimin or he’s showing his own insecurities OR he’s a confident gay openly voicing his gaydar (which would be outing Jimin though)? 

 

I think it's safe to say that rookies BTS weren't as open-minded (borderline homophobic at times and definitively heteronormative), either because they genuinely were, or because they thought that was how they should present themselves. So it might have been a case of soft-outing as a way to tease, or using gayness as a way to mock.   

Also I agree with the three of them being the ones who ping the most (with subtle differences). In a recent live, Namjoon said that during gatherings they always end up talking in small groups---him and Jin/Jungkook and Hobi/Jimin, Taehyung and Yoongi---and it just made very much sense to me in terms of affinities. 

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I haven't much of an opinion on the possibility of them being more than friends, but that would be cute (I hesitated before posting but Taehyung and Bogum were speculated for much less that Jimin and Sungwoon have, so why not?)

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11 hours ago, Anonymous007 said:

Is there more info on Jimin's relationship with him? Anything that warrants suspicion?

"Warrants suspicion" I don't know, I guess it's up to interpretation like everything else? But they clearly are closer than Bogum and Taehyung ever were.

I think they met and became friends around 2016, as Sungwoon participated in P101 early 2017 and Jimin asked fans to support him. This is the story of how the padding squad formed (they became a group in 2017) and clearly, Jimin is Sungwoon's favorite:

 

They were obviously friends in 2017/2018 and formed a tight group with the padding squad, but the two of them grew particularly close late 2018 (they tended to seek each other first, before the other members of the squad, before their own members when they were around each other):

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When Jimin was still the most active member on social media, they posted matching pics of their trips and "dates" in 2019:

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They were seen sharing/matching clothes too (btw Sungwoon's 168cm while Jimin's 175cm so that's why it looks bigger on SW)

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They also are close with each other's friends (from their group but also their non-celeb friends):

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Something seems to have happened with the padding squad late 2019. Ever since the rest of the group isn't as close with Jimin and Sungwoon (who stayed close). Jimin stopped posting on social media around the same time and Sungwoon doesn't mention him as much (maybe per Jimin's request?) but he sometimes drops hints that they are still close, especially since 2021 (also he attends BTS concerts when they're in Seoul while Jimin attends his). Like, they're close enough that Jimin calls Sungwoon's father:

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I followed Sungwoon back in 2017/2018 (Hotshot members were my two-picks during P101 haha) but I don't have a settled opinion on him. There's this but that doesn't mean much on its own :

For some reason, he's a male celeb magnet, like Baekhyun, Wonho, Jackson, Woozi... are all very fond of him (it's even become a fandom joke) but Sungwoon and Jimin are clearly each other's favorite persons, that much I can say. It's not a popular ship, but I think it may be because Sungwoon is not the kind of guy that fans want to see Jimin with (like, I've seen people ship Jimin with Ong, who is a tall handsome actor and Sungwoon's friend, when they have only been spotted hanging out a few times, usually because of Sungwoon). And then I've seen fans call Taehyung and Bogum boyfriends for not even a tenth of this for years. So well, idk but at least it puts things in perspective. And their relationship is seriously wholesome.

Edited March 13, 2022 by OptimusPremier
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5 hours ago, chargerdine said:

A tenth?…no offense but I’m not seeing what makes them more believable than Tae and Bogum nor am I seeing how they’re supposedly more close lol 

if you can't see the difference... then idk what to tell you  

 

14 hours ago, sooa_t said:

reading some posts from pages ago (from last year) and there was a interesting discussion about park bogum/song joong ki/taehyung relationship, I wonder if bogum and joong ki are back as friends since their friendship reportedly ended when the song-song couple got married (and he was seen crying a lot in the wedding) and bogum and taehyung got closer after that but suddenly they haven't been spotted together again (I'm not an army so I don't know if they are still friends too)

Bogum came back from military 2 weeks ago, so there hasn't been much in the last few years. They didn't stop being friends after the wedding though (they still mentioned each other, especially since Bogum had to kiss Joongki's wife for a drama) but they stopped appearing together publicly.  Personally, I do believe that their relationship is suspicious. I didn't think that much of their bromance or the rumors about them, but the sudden and rushed Song-song marriage intrigued me---it looked like a PR/lavender marriage and not-so-greatly done moreover.

Joongki and Bogum were in the same company since 2013, but they both became famous in 2016. They were really close (Bogum was especially vocal about his love for Joongki) and rumors started about them being together. There were also rumors between Joongki and Hyekyo, his co-star from Descendants from the Sun (that they had a baby, secretly married etc) and some media claimed that Joongki was fabricating these to cover up his homosexuality. Side note: Hyekyo and Joongki have a common friend, Yoo Ah In, who's in a glass closet with a boyfriend (and Joongki/Hyekyo/Ah In/Bogum have been pictured together in 2016).

In June 2017, a staff "leaked" pics of Joongki on vacation with Hyekyo. In July 2017, Joongki and Hyekyo announced that they would get married in October and Dispatch released pics of them together allegedly taken in January 2017 (saying they didn't release them earlier because they wanted to make sure of the relationship first, like... sure). Joongki and Hyekyo got married on October 31st (such a weird date), even though a senior actor had died and his funeral was on the same day (Joongki, Bogum and some guests went to the funeral first, then the wedding...)

In June 2019 (exactly 2 years after the "leak" that started it all), Joongki and Hyekyo filed for divorce and erased each other on social media. Reports from neighbours said that they had never seen the couple in their mansion and they released a statement saying that they had stopped living together since September 2018. They didn't share assets and didn't dispute anything. Medias started saying that Hyekyo had cheated on Joongki with Bogum, suggestivety headlining "Park Bogum is the cause of Hyekyo's divorce" instead of "Hyekyo cheated on Joongki with Bogum". Of course, Bogum denied.

In January 2020, Joongki announced his departure from his previous company to found his own and on the same month, Bogum announced that he would enlist for military in August 2020, so two years before he had to. 

 

My take on Taehyung and Bogum:

Taehyung and Bogum became friends in 2015, but they only took pics together at music shows and mentioned their friendship in interviews (usually about Tae wanting to be an actor and Bogum wanting to do music). They seemed to really start hanging out in 2016 (seen together at Bigbang's concert, for example) and they went to Jeju early 2017 (because Jungkook couldn't go). After the Song-song wedding announcement, as Tae started hanging out with the Wooga squad, they were seen together less and they stopped mentioning each other (in 2018 Bogum attended a BTS concert and filmed an ad with them, in 2019 they hung out a couple times and then nothing). 

Personally, idk what fans see in their relationship (handsomeness maybe)? To me, it just feels like they naturally drifted apart. Their ship only makes sense for Taekook shippers cause apparently Jungkook's a possessive alpha or something.

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5 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

If you're friends with someone, you don't just fall into radio silence like that.I don't think it's 'naturally drifted apart from each other' means after celebrating a friend's birthday with a wine and then never being seen together again lol

they didn't fall into radio silence though? not abruptly anyway. they kept seeing each other from time to time, just less and less and Taehyung started mentioning the Wooga squad more and more instead of him.

 

3 hours ago, Bushi said:

Rightly or wrongly, my take on the whole Jk/Tae/Bogum thing: 

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Jk always struck me as someone who just probably didn't LIKE Bogum. Not out of jealousy or love rival issues, that is pure fangoggles stuff imo, but because he just disagreed with either the influence Bogum and his dodgy cult might have been having on Taehyung at that time (we all know that Taehyung has been vulnerable and gone through internal crisis for a long time in BTS). With Tae's focus being distracted away from group activities. Or just that Jk didn't click with B, and he let it show that he wasn't all 'Yay' for his presence. Maybe they didn't politically or ideologically agree on things, who knows. 

It would obviously seem a bit hypocritical if Jk was keeping time with his own, err, friends. But then he got busted rather than BH bringing her onboard as a legit, open part of his life, which they were happy to do for Bogum, filming a backstage surprise, getting him into the Cola advert and earlier allowing Tae to post holiday pics, etc.

Whether Tae and Bogum dated or fooled about, only they know. But I can see how other members would try and protect Taehyung, who seemed bessotted with the guy. Especially if Bogum is still an active member of this church. The distractions could be potentially disasterous for a group like BTS. Even if BH didn't pick up on it maybe some members did. 

 

 

Jungkook "jealous" or "hating Bogum" is a narrative that Taekook shippers successfully instilled in the fandom (creating the fuss about Bogum and Taehyung being a thing as a result). The whole narrative stands on a short clip taken out of context from the concert visit video, a slow down video of Jungkook "rolling his eyes" (he's not though) when Tae mentioned Bogum in one video and because JK asked Tae to choose between him and Bogum, at a time when Tae was growing a bit distant with the group (Jimin did the same kind of thing about the Hwarang hyungs). Could just be that JK misses his friend or they were pushing their friendship for promo (given that it was during a comeback show, when company used to push Taekook, it's not far-fetched).

Jungkook wasn't defiant at all when Bogum visited backstage during that BTS concert (he was pretty welcoming) and they were friendly during the Coca cola ad (seen teaching him the airplane pt 2 choreo in the background of a video). And all the other times Tae mentioned Bogum, JK didn't show any particular reaction or greeted Bogum too.

 

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1 hour ago, sooa_t said:

the picture:

the most weird thing for me I think it's the song-song relationship, I wasn't into kpop/k-dramas in 2016/2017 so I don't know how much impact they had when the relationship was revealed or the rumors about joong ki in the past

but reading about it everything is very suspicious

Same, the song-song relationship is actually the thing that made me suspicious (ironically so, if the point was to cover up for Joongki and Bogum's relationship). They had quite the impact and following after Descendants from the sun (a huge hit), but interestingly people stopped shipping them or being interested when they got married (their interactions were parse and pretty underwhelming for a couple supposedly in love, so maybe that's why). You can actually see it on this very forum, as the Song-song couple thread was very proficient after their drama but started dying after the wedding.

 

Also side note on the clown discourse: I feel like Jikook is usually less negged than Taekook, probably because it's slightly less ridiculous to believe (for me neither are real) so I don't think that this thread just negs automatically as soon as shipping's involved. No matter what you bring up, even the most convincing receipt, you will be clowned or skulled by some people (except if you stay extremely vague and politically correct), that's just how it is.

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@starry_night @chargerdine sorry but I won't answer your posts anymore as it would be useless. I can't take your opinions seriously and I also do not wish to go on for pages about why (just saying it because I'm not the type to neg to voice my disagreement)

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it's just some instances but this is why they were a popular bromance btw and all of this abruptly stopped after the song-song leak in june/july 2017 (even though they said that they were still close)

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7 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Yes they did. They broke off their relationship abruptly after attending their actor friend's birthday together. They haven't said anything about or seen each other since June or July 2019. And this has nothing to do with Bogum's military service because Bogum enlisted about a year later.

Yes, they still met or mentioned each other once in a while until 2019 (for example, there was nothing during the BTS LY tour in 2018 until Tae came back to Seoul, they're just busy men). Then Bogum got caught in the scandal with Joongki's divorce in june 2019 and he stayed off radar for a while. BTS flew to the US, there was COVID and Bogum left for military. That's not abrupt, they just saw each other less and less, catching up once in a while.

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4 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Then let's agree to disagree. I think Tae would have mentioned him somehow if they still kept their friendship. Taehyung didn't say anything about him, neither before nor while he was in the army. That's more than three years. Tae had photoshopped and used Hyung Shik picture when he was in the military, and met with him a few times when he was on leave. However, he didn't do any of these for Bogum, considering that Bogum served in one of the toughest units, it's even more interesting that he didn't show any support for him. Of course, this is just speculation, maybe they met or talk, but no one knows. We'll know if Bogum tells it as a military memoir. So I guess we just have to wait.

 I also don't think they're close friends anymore though? my point was that they seem to have drifted away with years that's all