Which male idols do you think are gay?

[baekjoong]

Wow, Jungkook confuses me so much. Sometimes I see him as fully straight, argh... sometimes boi do things that I can't undertand. 

So can someone makes an analysis on this kid please bc I can't say legitimaly he likes men or not.

Well, he did constantly film another boy while on a vacation. An unofficial vacation, that is. So there you go. Should be pretty telling, imo. I wouldn't constantly film my friends like that. I tried doing that once when my friends and I were on a trip together, and I got tired of it pretty fast. You can't really enjoy yourself when you do that. 

 

He must really like filming Jimin. 

 

My thought process for Jungkook has been like this since I joined the BTS fandom: 

 

Boy's the straightest one there -> Huh, he's curious -> I think he's Bi -> He just might be gay

 

He pings me a lot nowadays. He's had the most evolution among all the members, in my opinion. 

[baekjoong]

I couldn't get that video out of my mind. 

 

Jungkook was filming JIMIN the whole time? Like 90% of the video is just Jimin walking, smiling, laughing and being goofy. 

 

And the Troye Sivan song? The way the lyrics sync with the video. The entirety of it. The fact that he probably spent an entire day filming his band mate. Like which friend does that?!

 

This is probably one of the realest "teas" we've ever gotten so far. Mind blowing... 

Edited November 9, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Kinky

 

_______________

 

Why were they in Tokyo?

Vacation. They were sent off by their family from Busan. We've been getting fan accounts and saesangish pics throughout the vacation, but I never thought they'd actually acknowledge it lol.

[baekjoong]

I'm surprised they even have vacation time with everything they have going on this month for them

From what I understand, they came back right to a schedule, and Jimin recently got sick while abroad and couldn't dance in one of their concerts. Ya, they are packing everything into a very short period of time. 

[baekjoong]

 

This guy tried REALLY hard not to say what he actually thought of the video, the lyrics, etc etc. Probably terrified of all the 13 year old homophobic fans lol.

 

I mean, these girls are saying they feel like they're on a date with Jimin when watching the video (how blind can you be that you don't realize what that actually means?). 

 

So yeah, he's gay, and his reaction is just....so telling...

[baekjoong]

people do reactions even to twitter posts now 

It was a 3:4 minute video Jungkook posted on their youtube channel. And the video is at 2 million+ views now. I'm sure it warrants a reaction. 

 

 

LOL he was really trying his hardest to stay neutral about it but his reactions just gave him away.

 

 

Right? The price of living in a heteronormative society.

 

But hey, he wasn't trying to hide it too much. It was quite obvious what he actually thought. But I'm glad he wasn't completely open about it. I like his videos, and teenagers can be vicious. 

Edited November 9, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

I agree with one of the previous posters.  

 

Remove your shipper glasses. Jikook AND Vkook shipper glasses! 

 

Real life is much more than ships. Just coz you want something to be real (coz they look good together, of all things), it's not going to happen. These are real people with real feelings, preferences etc. 

 

So let's not argue for or against something too much. 

This video was suspicious for a 25 year old woman (me) who's been in relationships, knows what crushes look like and knows what media play is. 

 

This is the opposite of media play. They weren't followed by a crew. They were covered from head to toe (in every freaking clip). They posted videos on Youtube and Twitter (how much more unprofessional can it get?) and none on their official channels. This was 2 young guys sharing their trip with their followers, nothing more than that. 

 

Let's not analyze too much about it. Remove your shipper goggles, and you'll notice that this was suspicious, just like V's trip with Bogum was suspicious. 

 

If you were gay in a homophobic society, you would behave EXACTLY like these two "couples" behave. Hide under the umbrella of friendship. 

 

I've done that (though we weren't together) and I've seen 2 guys in my year do that. We both had "rumors" but no one in such a society would have the guts to say more than a joking "hey, why are you guys always together? Are you together or something? There are rumors about you around campus, you know? Hehehehe". 

 

So don't place everything under the Friendship umbrella coz some of the most intense friendships (to the outside eye) could have an even intense attraction hidden behind it. 

 

Take Tony and Jaeduck for example. Those guys have been suspicious and quite obvious (in my opinion, and in the opinion of many) for close to 8 years now. They raise dogs together, they spent money on their house together (Tony bought it, Jaeduck remodeled and decorated it), they talk about wanting to get an even bigger house with a yard and 5 dogs, and people STILL treat it (and them) as a joke. 

 

They try their level best to brush off everything they do as friendship.

 

That's what happens in homogeneous societies where EVERYONE thinks the same. There is no diversity like in the west. There is no exposure to things beyond what they already know (a guy and girl being together). And even if there is, they are not willing to acknowledge it because they are terrified (you read that right) of their parents and society, so even if they suspect one of their friends are together, they'll brush it under the rugs. 

 

And that's what you see happening in the comments under this video. A few shipping comments from excited Jikookers and whining Vkookers aside (which are disregarded as delusional fantasies), everyone else is posting about either JK's editing skills or JM being cute and how they feel like they are on a date with him. That's the MAINSTREAM opinion. 

 

This is the cruel reality we are living in, and these 2 guys know it very well, after 5 years in the entertainment industry. 

 

I don't know if they are together. No one does. But I'm old enough to know that the first person you get a crush on is the one you spend most of your time with (classmates, colleagues, best friends). That's natural. That's why men and women have been separated since the beginning of time. 

 

That's why I don't squint too much when someone suggests 2 kpop friends could be "together" coz that's the natural progression of things. Especially for oppressed people in an even oppressive industry. You tend to go for people you trust, that's natural.

 

These videos won't affect them in any way. Their fans won't think any different of them. In fact, it'll be used as reinforcements for the ignorant minds to think that they aren't together. Coz people who are "different" always hide, in their opinion. So people like them don't have to acknowledge their difference. Those who show are always "friends". 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Oh than they bought these costumes.^^ Actually, this don't change things whether they are wearing costumes or not. Because their purpose is to document this trip. From the moment they stepped out of their apartment ...

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I'm a 24 year old bisexual and I see nothing but friendship on this video but anyway ...    I respect your thoughts and I don't try to change them. I just want you to know that there's people like me with different thoughts.^^

Nothing wrong with having different thoughts. That's why I said I don't actually know if they are together, but I THINK they are suspicious, just like you think they are not. 

 

But when you try to brush off the whole thing as "media play", it makes me think if you are trying too hard. That's all. 

 

But yeah, let's just agree to disagree without disregarding friendships (or the possibility of relationships), shall we? 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Thanks. Everyone can have a different opinion of course. The important thing is to be able to argue without losing our respect for each other.^^ 

Yup. 

 

Omg this Jikook tea...now it's got me thinking really hard about their relationship. I'm excited to see what we get from them in the future.

 

Also since we're on the topic of BTS what do y'all think about the theory that Bang PD, a gay man, made BTS to promote LGBT rights and he wanted majority of the members to be LGBT? It sounds wild and I have my doubts about it, but I honestly wouldn't be suprised if it was true...drag me.

 

Haha, gay agenda. You make him sound so...manipulative lol.

 

I don't know if there was an agenda. There could be, or not. 

 

But he does ping, A LOT, and I wouldn't be surprised if he purposefully chose LGBT teens to be in his group coz, you know, they're his people and he wants to give them a chance. Happens a lot. So if he did, shows why these guys are so open about everything (from recommending gay songs, mvs to talking about same love).  They know their CEO supports them. 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

double post. 

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[baekjoong]

hahaa you can really tell how hard he's trying not to say what's actually on his mind.. i don't blame him, the first impression this gave me was some kind of boyfriend vacation vlog (plus the troye sivan song + lyrcis... cmon) 

 

that's coming from me, too- i never shipped much/hardcore in bts (besides jihope, and sometimes taekook, but only in good fun) because while i think some of the members may be lgbt, i never saw any actual relationships as possible.

 

however, this jikook tokyo film really altered my perspective. on a purely honest consensus, jimin and jungkook never pinged me together enough to catch my attention. i had always seen them as a friendship, jimin seemed to see jungkook as someone to take care of (so this tokyo video has really thrown me for a loop lol). from day one, jimin has always been gay or at the least bi w/ a pref for males. i've never thought of jungkook as having an attraction to men, but this and his more recent actions changed that- the whole film seemed so fondly edited that i couldn't brush it out of my train of thought.

 

tl;dr- this video made me think jungkook might have some sort of attraction to men

Ya, I've always been back and forth on this. They've had suspicious "moments", but nothing concrete for me to back them up in this thread or elsewhere. 

 

Coz talking about possible relationships/attractions in kpop is always a slippery slope where you tend to get pulled into pointless arguments with hormonal teenagers who don't know any better. Look at me typing essays in this thread and all. That's one example of how things are. 

 

Not to mention I've always HATED fanservice, or any kind of "fake" reaction. I'm not here for that. That's one of the reasons I can't completely get into some groups that are known for fanservice. 

 

Kpop is my stress reliever. I don't want it to add to my real world's stress lol. 

 

Yup, no matter how people try to spin it, this video shows me that Jungkook is NOT straight. Whether he's gay/bi is still up for debate, but he's not straight. And BTS just might be the only group with enough guts to not live a fake life, but then again, who knows. 

 

 

All of that aside, did anyone see Jimin in "Take care of my refrigerator". He was so receptive to the "gay couple" on the show lol. He was interested in their house, he reacted well to every cheesy thing they said. I saw Jin shocked (or not being able to control his emotions) in certain instances, but Jimin was so open minded. He accepted everything. 

 

Looks like he finally accepted himself.   

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

I see, I guess his mother has at least somewhat come to terms with it. I should watch some of those episodes, too.

 

I'm sure they're both steadfast in their decision, but it doesn't mean hearing stuff like "it's wrong" and such doesn't hurt still. I think it's admirable how they support each other, yet there are people who will think it's disgusting just because they're both men. Maybe it's a good thing I don't understand it. I like to see people with such strong feelings for each other.

 

I don't know about their lawyer friend (is he a freeloader or something?), but it's not a bad thing to have separate rooms. Some couples prefer that. You do what works for you.

 

Spending your savings on remodeling a house together is like the most married life thing ever lol. Legit everyone I know who's married and owns a house together does that. 

I was gonna reply to you, and then I forgot. Ugh, I hate when I do that. 

 

You can't get into Sechskies without getting all the tea about Tony and Jaeduck. I came to that conclusion last week. Every talk show or variety show or radio show they go to, they talk about these two. And every time, you hear something new. Let me list some from my memory. 

 

1. Tony is very busy, but whenever he has free time, he comes and sees Jaeduck (I guess at his workplace?). Tony has a lot of friends so this kind of attachment to one of those friends is not "normal". Also, Tony drops him off and picks him up whenever he can. 

 

2. He came to their concert. In Eun Jiwon's words "A H.O.T member coming to a Jekki concert is unimaginable, but he came to make Jaeduck feel better". 

 

https://ondramanice.io/radio-star/watch-radio-star-episode-503-online

 

From 48:50 onwards. Lots of tea :P 

 

3. Apparently, Tony didn't pay for the remodeling. Jaeduck did. Tony confirmed this once in the Mom's diary show (episode 43, if I remember right), when he was showing Heechul and that other comedian around. They asked if they spent all their money on the remodeling and he said "Jaedukie spent all the money he earned from promoting with Jekki". Also, Jiwon and Suwon said the same in a radio show. That Jaeduck recently spent all his money on "interior design" and he's now penniless. Lol. 

 

Keeping in mind that Tony bought that house around 5 years ago, the fact that his "friend" spent a LOT (I don't even want to think about how much those stuff cost them) of money remodeling his friend's house...yeah, you get my point.  I think this was the point Jiwon finally realized these two are together. You should have seen how he was in that radio show. Like he finally gets it lol.  Whenever I watch their earlier shows, I always felt like the other 3 knew but Jiwon didn't. 

 

4. Kangta's starry night was a MESS. Tony got jealous (or angry) when Jaeduck said he and Jaejin used to go on drives with Woohyuk. etc etc. 

They talk about how Tony was so adamant about not living separately. They concluded that these two just can't be separated. At the start, Tony said he came to take Jaeduck back home. As I said, it was a mess. 

 

 

Watch 58:39, 1:12:50 and 1:15:19 (highlight of the episode lol). 

 

What gets me is, these 2 are so stubborn. They get a LOT of flack from their friends (they show their disapproval in every single show). Man if it was me, I'd either cut the relationship or cut the friendships. These guys are strong. 

 

But my guess is they have a different "closer" friend circle that does not include the celebrity friends we see them with. Their lawyer friend, for example. 

 

5. They have a lot more skinship than they let on. Tony tends to censor Jaeduck whenever he gets too handsy in front of the camera, even if its as simple as holding hands or touching is thighs. I've seen that happen too many times to count, even in that Handsome men of 20th century show and that was back in 2014. Guess he's the voice of reason in the relationship. 

 

6. Jaeduck's room is visibly bigger and spacious than Tony's. It even had/has a wardrobe. They showed it (before remodeling) in a dog show, I think. And now apparently he turned their 3rd bedroom (where their lawyer friend was freeloading in) into his closet or something. So yeah, I take back what I said about them not sharing a room. It could very well be a smokescreen lol. Coz the owner of the house usually gets the bigger bedroom and all the perks (turning your third bedroom into a closet, for instance).  

 

 

Lot of wasted room, in my opinion. But hey, whatever floats their boat. 

 

7. They raise dogs together. Do we need any more proof. 

 

Let me end it here coz I don't like the number 8. :P 

 

As for his mom, well... she's still a Korean mom, and she's from a different generation, so she might never completely let go of the idea that they should get married and have kids. But hey, at least she acknowledges that they care about each other. I think they don't expect more than that. 

 

The lawyer was a freeloader, yes.  He stayed with them briefly and was even messier than Tony. He finally moved out though. 

 

Ya, as I told before, the only time I'll spend money on custom furniture or decoration of any kind is when I settle into my permanent abode (with my kids and husband). Coz I found out the hard way that custom remodeling or interior design of a higher caliber costs almost as much as what it costs to buy an apartment in the city. 

 

So yeah, Jaeduck probably spent a crazy amount on that remodeling job. Everything was carefully designed and built. 

 

I wrote this before - I'm not so sure if they don't share bedrooms anymore. We only see what they show.

 

Then again, having separate bedrooms is becoming more of a norm, like you said. They aren't young, so it probably doesn't matter to them. Though they aren't THAT old yet either. 

 

These two will probably continue to deny the idea of living separately vehemently (Jaeduck seemed more stubborn in his denials in the recent videos, Tony has always been stubborn) until they are out of the spotlight, while still throwing phrases about wanting to get married, how they'll be neighbors once they are married, etc. Smokescreens. 

 

It's kind of uplifting to see their determination and guts though. 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

On the subject of living together/sharing expenses and domestic life:

Click here to view the Tweet

 

Click here to view the Tweet

 

Ya, typical married couple behavior, down to the bickering about money and sharing it. Korea is just too scared to admit it. 

[baekjoong]

The fact that people are going to extremes (the entire trip was fanservice, orchestrated by the company) to make their point, and in turn invalidate any kind of friendship these two might have is hilarious. 

 

Every member was on vacation at that time. This wasn't "fanservice".

 

Ah well, I'm out of this discussion. I've said what I want to say, and I stand by it. There is no reasoning with some of you guys. smh

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

why are people spoilering their posts despite being on-topic. it's not even like you're protecting readers from large quantities of images or video. 

 

what?

just because we're arguing there is a fanservice element to their interactions does not mean they don't have a real friendship. calm down.

this is about gay-or-no-gay, not kpop friendship politics.

Calling their entire trip fanservice is extreme, no matter how you try to spin it. 

 

Idk why can't yall just agree to disagree and move on?? Cause clearly one side won't convince the other to see what they are seeing tbh.

 

 

Agreed 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

Literally so many people share vlogs, pics etc on social media when they go on vacations. I personally don't find anything weird about the video but saying their whole trip is orchestrated by bighit so that they could take cute videos for fans is also ridiculous.

 

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. There was another poster who didn't agree with me. I have no problem, and I'm sure no one here has problems with differing opinions. But let's no go to extremes to make them, especially when you're not even fans of the group. 

 

Tinhat theories happen on both sides, and it's ridiculous and embarrassing when either side does it. 

 

If people claim this video is absolute proof, then they are being ridiculous. So are people who are claiming an obvious vacation as fanservice. 

 

In my opinion, this is one more thing to add to the pile of things I find suspicious about Jungkook (and Jimin). Simple as that. 

 

 

 

i doubt it was entirely a marketing tool, but i also doubt there wasn't fan element involved. if there wasn't, they wouldn't share anything.

 

 

So you think V's trip with Bogum was marketing as well? 

 

Anyway, this is your opinion, and neither of us are going to change our stance. Let's just agree to disagree then.

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

they're not in the same promotional group or even under the same company...

also i'm not in disagreement with you -- i'm saying it's neither here nor there. is there anyone arguing that it's ENTIRELY manufactured?

 

Edit: Ah, you edited your reply.

 

Ya, there were some who tried to brush the whole thing off as fanservice, and I was addressing them. Tbh, I didn't read any of your posts other than the ones where you quoted me. 

 

I don't think there is an element of fanservice, tbh. I know companies do that, but the progression of things (the vacation) in this instance were natural, and the videos seemed more like an after thought than a pre-planned thing. But yeah, I'm not trying to convince you, so lets leave it at this.

 

 

I think he might enjoy the breakdown with the dancers

 

 Ooooh. The lyrics.

Nothing beats "Move" though. That performance was a masterpiece.

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

1. same about the fanservice/shipbait.. as someone who is actually gay it gets on my nerves to no end seeing people act like they are to get attention.. it doesnt sit right

 

2. no i did not see take care of my refrigerator!! would you mind linking me to that part, i'm intrigued lol

Yeah! I don't see how fangirls scream when they see that. Isn't it cringey? Fortunately, BTS isn't into gay fanservice anymore. I guess their older stuff did have a lot of it, but not anymore. I can't sit through any of their videos otherwise. 

 

 

Here you go:

 

Ep 152: https://www.facebook.com/kangjin20/videos/127651684566037/

Ep 153: http://ikshow.net/shows/take-good-care-of-the-fridge/episode-153/

 

Jimin was a ball of sunshine. Jin was really really funny. And Tony and Jaeduck were serving quality tea every minute of the episode. 

 

Unfortunately, there is no one part I can point you to. Umm, maybe just look at the first part of the first episode, till the part where they show their fridge? That's when they talk the most about Tony & Jaeduck's "relationship" and they show pics of their living room and all. 

 

I thought he'd be weirded out, or not comment. But the first thing he said was, in the future, I want to do something like that in my house. I don't think he's too innocent to not know how those 2 guys come off. I think he doesn't find implications like that weird anymore, which is great. 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

It still makes me sad that even a couple as obvious as Tony and Jaeduck still have to hide under the illusion of "friendship" but sadly progress is slow of course...

 

And my two cents on the Jikook Japan trip? I thought it was adorable how Jungkook made a short film of Jimin like that  

 

It blows my mind that they are still able to hide under the friendship umbrella. I thought more people would question why Jaeduck spent all his money on Tony's house. But nope, no one did. Things are really really bad in Korea huh. 

 

Ya, the video was adorable, and Jimin even more so. 

Edited November 10, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

To be fair, literally every time they go on a show, the MCs or other guests comment on them being basically a married couple, and Jaeduck just said on Take Care of My Refrigerator that, "Outside, we've become known as a devoted married couple," so it's not like everyone in Korea sees them and just thinks, "bros being bros." That was actually one of the first things that convinced me there was something there. A lot of people talk about how international fans overreact because friendship between men in Korea is just more touchy feely, but if even Koreans think it's unusual for friends and more like a married couple, then that says something. The thing is, Tony and Jaeduck keep up their "official" answer that they're just friends (and I don't blame them, especially with the Sechskies reunion and needing to make money after blowing it all on interior design lol), so what can anyone else do? Like I posted a while ago, someone even asked Tony, "Why not just come out?" 

 

There are definitely some people who are still oblivious, but I think at least a good portion of people, even in Korea, do see it.

Yeah...they see it but they don't acknowledge it, am I right? Ah well, that's better than nothing I guess. At least no one's denying them opportunities coz of it. They seem to get more appearances just coz of who they are to each other. 

 

Lol, true, they probably need to make more money ASAP.  Blowing everything on depreciating stuff, crazy. 

 

I didn't manage to get an answer to this anywhere. You're a long time fan right, so let me ask you.  What exactly does Tony do? Appear on variety shows? There isn't much on his businesses online, so I don't know if they are doing well enough to keep them afloat. Jekki's contract has 1 year left, so yeah... I've been wondering how they managed before, since Tony had a 2 year ban coz of his scandal and all. 

 

I think the guys in the entertainment business know the real truth? I'm not sure about the public though, since even Int. Jekki fans still call them friends.  But either way, my guess is, once they enter their 40s and it becomes obvious that they aren't going to marry a woman, people would finally open their eyes. Or maybe not. I'm not holding my breath. 

 

But you're right. Friendship has a limit. And I noticed Koreans raise eyebrows only at "undeniable" stuff that literally slaps them in the face (they brush anything less aside), so the fact that they are even remotely questioning these two can be taken as proof of these guys being together, yeah? 

[baekjoong]

so was girls day hyeri just a beard for tony? 

Possibly. They released the scandal in early 2013, and that's when Tony bought his current apartment and they both (JD & Tony) moved in. It probably raised too many questions, so Tony agreed to the scandal to get back his "straight" image. 

 

We never know, but I can't really take that seriously. 

[baekjoong]

Hi there, first post in here, nice to meet you. <3 

 

I’m more into girl groups, so I only really know like two to three boy groups well enough to really have an opinion. But I’m super interested in your theories, so I’d really like to hear them, whoever it is about.

 

For my part (and I’m sure most of you already talked about them), I think that Heechul and Jokwon are gay. And Jaejoong bisexual…? I’ve my doubts you see. He’s so open around guys, flirts with them, etc. and seems so reserved around women, but he could also just be polite? At the same time I’m super aware that I’m doubting myself, because I don’t want to press my opinions on people. I know that you can never know for sure unless they tell you (and even then I mean… even I’m not really 100% sure about my sexuality). But I’m also unsure because I don’t want to misjudge someone because I’m desperate for representation (and I know I am). 

 

There was also a time where I asked myself if maybe Heechul is bisexual as well. He said he’s not gay, so I wanted to respect that, but at the same time I know that Korea is hell for the lgbtq+ community and there is no way that someone would just come out. There was a time where I was sure that all three of them were gay, but I started doubting my judgement, because I feel that I’m too involved. Does that make sense?

 

The only one I’ve no doubts about is Yunho. I’m sure he’s gay, even though a lot of people say that he’s to manly for that (that’s not making any sense, but okay). Actually, I always felt like Yunho is the perfect example for toxic masculinity. Since the beginning of time people have talked about him like he’s the strongest and manliest person on mother earth and were always expecting him to be rational, strong, etc. What is it with people wanting men to hold their feelings in and expecting from gay men to be feminine…

 

Oh, and I think that Key is gay, but he’s kind of an open secret, isn’t he? Unsure about Taemin and Jonghyun, but they could be part of the lgbt community too, right? 

Btw, I wanted to ask about Exo. I kind of like them, but I don’t know them well enough to really have an opinion on their personality, let alone their sexuality. I heard that a lot of people think that Sehun is gay, do you have more information about that?

I don't know much about Heechul. My sister's his fan (watches everything he's in) and she recently said that she thinks he's more bi than gay. I know most people think he's gay in this thread though. Either way, he's a part of the LGBT community.

 

I've always thought Jaejoong was gay, even before I came to a conclusion about Yunho. He's just too awkward around women. Either that, or he behaves like a little brother or older brother with them. There is no in-between for him. 

 

I completely agree with you on Yunho's problem with toxic masculinity. I don't watch his recent stuff, but I've watched pretty much every Eng subbed DBSK video out there, and they did expect WAY TOO MUCH from him. 

 

He's the leader. He was expected to be calm, collected, strong (physically and mentally) and NEVER make mistakes. In both Japanese and Korean shows, I saw this pattern repeat a lot. The others could speak out of turn or say weird things, but never Yunho. I guess their immense popularity added to his burden too. 

 

I heard he's loosened up over the years? He'll probably continue to do so. Hopefully. 

 

Are we sure Key is an open secret in Korea? I thought only Jokwon was? 

 

Taemin, yeah, he's LGBT lol. I'm not a fan, but even an outsider like me can see he's not straight.

 

Ya, Sehun's suspicious. He's had weird relationships with too many men to count: Tao, Donghae, the chef guy he hangs out with nowadays. Also, he's pretty much admitted on stage that he likes men. 

[baekjoong]

What are the receipts on BTS' Jin? The only one I have is that Suga said he received chocolates from another boy at his school, and Jin was giving him a warning glare when he wanted to speak more about it. 

 

Ya, his reaction then was weird. Umm, other than that, I don't really know if there are receipts. But I'm not completely disregarding him either coz with Jin, you never know when he's acting up for the cameras and when he's being himself (like JHope). People like him probably need a lot more time to figure out.

Edited November 11, 2017 by baekjoong

[baekjoong]

This is NOT an invitation to start arguing again, but this was too funny to not share:

 

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So the video really did go viral huh.

 

Aww, the comments are cute. 

And the irony lol.

[baekjoong]

I do see people calling people "suspicious" and "gay" for the simplest things in this thread, but with something that is ACTUALLY suspicious, they refuse to discuss. 

 

I think it has a lot to do with "shipping" and "shipping bias", which is why I stopped responding to this particular discussion. You can't argue with hardcore shippers (on both sides) or people with any kind of bias in general. They'll pull you to their level with pointless arguments and they completely disregard anything you say. 

 

For the last time: No, this is NOT proof of anything. Nothing we discuss here is proof of anything. But the video is good enough to be discussed on this thread, since we've discussed lesser "receipts" on here with more fervor, for idols who barely ping. Jimin AND Jungkook ping, a lot imo, so people who just want to disregard this video as nothing/fanservice are just biased, period. 

 

If anything, this highlights that Jungkook is NOT your typical straight Korean boy. No straight boy films their friend 90% of their vacation and creates a romantic as f**k video about it. He probably just has a crush, or there is more, but there is definitely something in his actions. 

 

Ps. Was gonna ignore the discussion, but people keep bringing it up, so yeah. 

 

 

tbh ive always thought he was gay ever since 2014 when i first saw a video of him

 

 

Yeah, me too! He was just too....flamboyant...stereotypes aside, it is usually a pretty good indication of someone's sexuality. 

Edited November 13, 2017 by baekjoong