Which male idols do you think are gay?

[raspberry84]

I am sure that there are a lot of irrelevant things in this thread that I can find just because the members are standing side by side or they are hugging or just looking at each other. But why are people getting tense when Taekook is posted? I have witnessed it this many times. Maybe the first picture did not mean much, but why did the second picture have so much (-)?  Tae literally sits in the man's lap and gently cupped his face. But people still score (-) How interesting, is not it?^^

 

I think a lot of it is how it was presented. You started with a photo that had the two just standing next to each other and made a huge, strange leap with the comment you attached to it. Had you simply posted the second photo and commented on how comfortable Tae was it would have probably been better received. I still don't personally think it would have been relevant to this thread (unless it was arguably used as evidence to show how comfortable Tae is being physically affectionate with other men along with other examples),

 

Shipping in general is always going to get negged the most. It wasn't until like a year or so ago when it started to get painful obvious that you could even mention the possibility that something may be going on between Jonghyun and Key from Shinee without getting negged for example. And that was because it began to be approached less as shipping and more as "well that's suspicious as fuck." Hell, I primarily post about Jonghyun and Key but there is a lot of stuff I find suspicious that I don't post here simply because it's more shipping then fact.

 

If you would like to continue this conversation I would suggest we go to private messages so we're not spamming the thread.

Edited September 30, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

So Josaline gets negged a lot because BTS is not yet established as gay idols ? Thats all ?

 

She got over 15 negs already from this discussion just for saying "I THINK THAT 2 MEMBERS OF BTS ARE GAY" which is the name of the thread. She didnt post a receipt but is that really a must ? Not adding an acceptable receipt to her opinion is worth so many negs ?

 

Also, you are admitting that showing shipping posts about Jackson, Sehun, Yunho, Heechul, JoKwon, Key..... post any shipping posts you have of them. Thats alright. That belongs in this thread. But dont dare post other shipping that the OH member personally thinks are gay ?

 

strange.

 

I mean, honestly it was the first post that set this down a bad path. It was literally just a photo of them standing next to each other (not looking at or touching each other) with a comment about Jungkook being submissive (which, idk, gave me a fetishization vibe).

 

I really don't think she would have gotten that reaction if she posted the photo of Taehyung on Jungkook's lap and commented about the physical affection. 

 

And I think most of us have thought Key and Jonghyun were both gay for years now but up until Jonghyun's solo release any suggestion that something was going on got you negged. Because prior to that there was a lack of evidence and it was mostly just "vibes" or shippy feelings.

 

I think Taehyung is gay as fuck. I think Jungkook is probably somewhere on the spectrum. I ship them.

 

Still don't think there is anything between the two worth posting here except possibly the gif of Taehyung biting Jungkook and Jungkook's comment about him doing that all the time.

[raspberry84]

Yes okay. But we basically have the same opinion. There is bias. You also say that Key Jonghyun had the same problem in the past. Some get negged, Some dont. There is a double standard ... "gay reputation" decides if shipping is good or bad in this thread. Just saying Josaline is right about that. There IS double standard.

 

Which is strange because its about "Who do YOU THINK is gay" and not "Who is gay".

 

I think it really does come down to how out some of the idols are. There are some who have done a bunch of questionable things but still haven't really said anything to explicitly imply they are queer.

 

Jonghyun, for example, done everything but explicitly say he's gay and not straight. You have him casually talking about men he finds attractive on his old radio show. You have him eating a rainbow cake during pride month. You have his song lyrics that range from suggestive to gender neutral to hey this is the first time I asked a guy to come back with me to "this is not a cup in my hand" during a song that is definitely about sucking dick. 

 

He's in a glass closet and waving a rainbow flag out the door.

 

And even at this point, suggesting he was possibly dating Key (who has just as many receipts if not more) got you negged. Because all you really had to go by was "oh that hug lasted a bit to long" or "did you see the look he gave him?" at the time. The shift to people liking the Jongkey posts only came after the two started to make some very deliberate choices to lowkey acknowledge their relationship.

 

Although I will acknowledge there are a few ships that get posted here that get a pass and I side eye them every time.

Edited September 30, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Are you saying you are one of the 8 people who negged my lovely Ravi is gay threads ?

 

it went up and down and up and down and even though its now around +10 i noticed a lot of people love to neg my Ravi stuff. i made enemies ..... even though i give such good receipts every time. Its hard to fight for the truth. 

 

 

I said I give those the side eye, not that I neg them.

 

The only posts I neg here are the ones who say straight up fetishizing bullshit.

[raspberry84]

damn, i made this Master/Servant post of Ravi/Ken and i guess that is fetishizing.

I do make those for fun though. Maybe some people dont find that funny and thats why they express their disapproval with negs ? Maybe i am too easy-going......

 

 

I'm just going to stop replying because this is spamming the thread and I'm just confused.

 

Because I never said anything about your posts or that you were fetishizing so I have no idea where you came to that conclusion.

[raspberry84]

i was just joking about that. Thats why i posted three laughing smileys behind it. i sent you a private message.

i dont think it was spamming, we just had a discussion about what is okay to post in this thread.

 

 

 

ON-TOPIC.....i just found this online... is this real ???????

 

Oops. I am very sleepy cause work was intense this week so I'll use that my excuse as to why I got so easily confused.

 

@raspberry84 we are still waiting for part 3 of your JongKey analysis! 

 

I'm still slowly working on it! I promise!

 

There is a lot of shit to be included and receipts to relocate.

[raspberry84]

There is no evidence. This thread has no "evidence" of anyone's sexual orientation, merely speculation. I couldn't care less either who's gay or not.

 

Okay, I admit, he's obviously gay for Tae. No denying! Flaming!

 

The point I meant to make is that the thread seems to have been hijacked by shippers to the point that a K-pop star who seems to be pretty pro lgbt, which should be important, is completely disregarded and slandered in a way I consider pretty mean-spirited in order to fit a personal narrative. I think it's hurtful to see those types of accusations thrown around when their support is at least a step in the right direction. It's big to some. Please be a bit considerate? That's all.

 

One thing I will say is that being an ally doesn't mean that person is incapable of micro-aggressions or homophobia.

 

As far as BTS goes, I think it seems like everyone thinks they're all gay because there isn't a clear agreement on who people think is gay. The only one I personally think is gay or bi would be Tae and that's based on song lyrics along with comments he's made in interviews or on their variety shows. Jungkook I have no real opinion on. There isn't enough for me to say I think he's LGBT but at the same time I wouldn't be shocked if he was.

 

With shipping I think we need to look at the middle ground. Most ships are fake and just fan's wishes and fanservice. However, it's also reasonable to think that some relationships may have developed within groups or companies. Look at how many actors/actresses end up dating co-stars. Not always a smart decision (see the Jongkey hot mess during their Hello era) but people make unrational decisions all the time when it comes to relationships.

[raspberry84]

That's not the case and it's obvious.

 

People will also have different opinions on this. What one person thinks is a micro-aggression may be something that bothers another person. 

[raspberry84]

Looks like Key's wearing the ring Jonghyun bought him again.

[raspberry84]

*sigh*

 

1) Being "macho" has nothing to do with someone's sexuality in any culture. Period.

 

2) What confuses me the most about this taekook shit is the things being posted here are the most boring, basic level shit. There are some legit moments that have made me raise an eyebrow and would probably be worth posting here but that's never what these people bring. It's always just a photo of them standing next to each other.

 

I'm starting to think this person is actually anti-taekook and trolling cause even looking at the last 2-3 pages on the Taekook thread and there was better shit that could have been posted here with the "evidence" argument.

[raspberry84]

oh honey. learn to actually listen for a second when an actual native korean blesses your presence with an actual knowledge about the culture. You can't even understand what the boys that you're speculating on about are saying. LIke it's getting sad.

 

Jimin wants to look masculine To A WOMAN. throughout all the little videos of him pretending to talk to an imaginary GIRL or in any situations, he diverts back to his natural busan accent which has a stereotype of sounding masculine in korea. 

 

Since you can't understand jackshit what he's saying, his tone, all you're basing on is his face expressions and body language. It's not your fault, like, i get it that if you cant hear anything and only just goes by what you see and your westernized LGBTQ bias that you just can't help but project your own LGBT thing onto these boys who probably are clueless on what even the FACK is ~pansexual and demisexual~ LOL.. 

 

I think you are forgetting that Jimin is an idol and a large part of marketing that is appealing to girls. Boy bands / Girl Groupos / Idols in any country always play up the boyfriend/girlfriend fantasy. Having their members say they're single (even when they're not), talking to the camera like it's a girl/boy so the fans can pretend it's them, etc. So him acting in this way during a VLive really shouldn't be shocking, they use VLive to promote their group and of course Jimin will play up what the fans want to see during it.

 

Read BTS lyrics from their new album (Pied Piper or Outro especially), in their own writing they've acknowledged that to various extents that they're putting on an act and not presenting themselves 100% truthfully. They have an image and they're aware of it.

 

And are you really acting like there aren't a shitton of people closeted in hollywood? Because most celebs who are out came out after hiding their sexuality for years and only did so when their career was big enough to withstand the backlash from it. 

 

You are relying way to heavily on this idea that homosexuality doesn't work the same way in South Korea as it does in the western world. Like being queer is only a cultural thing and that if people aren't aware of it it doesn't work the same or exist.

Edited October 14, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

me : jimin wants to be seem masculine/dominant.

 

you : bu..but!! masculine =/ straight

 

me : jimin wants to be seem masculine to a woman

 

you : bu..but. that's pandering and fake news.

 

BTS is unique in that they literally have tons of footages just laying around all over youtube, even when they were nobodies.

I'm providing more information and correcting you. Do you see me saying anything about Suga, V ? I actually think what some people have said about those 2 could be true. BTS members still seem pretty authentic. Jungkook never uploads anything. They don't seem to fake anything for the fan girls. Jimin is just a notorious attention wh0re and looooves interacting with female fans. They way he talks is very very personable, and i'm saying it just comes natural to him, he's not acting. he's just the way he is. even 3-4 years ago. other members  all act formal and put together on the other hand. From What I've observed, in my opinion, i don't think jimin is gay.

 

They're a kpop group. They might be way more authentic than the very packaged ones being put out by the big 3 but in their own words they are still presenting a marketed image to you and wearing masks. As much as you may want to believe you are seeing them for exactly who they are, you're not. You're seeing the image they want you to.

 

And anything Big Hit put online on the boys, even before they blew up, was meant to promote the brand and the group. None of their social media is personal and is all connected back to their brand. There is a reason for that.

[raspberry84]

Sorry for derailing this thread. I get accused of being a troll or a gyopo even on /r/korea because of my ridiculously good english and i'm flattered but no. i was born and raised in korea all my life. stop your sad mental gymnastic just to win an argument on a forum. loll  yes i am westernized so i can see and understand both the western side and korean side.

 

what you're saying is absolutely fair and true that they put out what they want us to see.

 

but that's kind of the default baseline to everything and both sides rely on this shite so . that's pointless.

 

i literally don't even care if jimin is straight or gay. Stop projecting your sad insecurities onto me, making me out to be a freaking homophobe or some shite.  My first comment on this thread was literally providing a broader picture and perspective on him that you would never get on this westernized, english speaking echo chamber. at least be thankful. i don't even understand why you're so desperately wanting me to NOT be  korean. LOLLL 

 

What I'm noticing here is you are avoiding any of the actual points raised against your post and focused solely on the people who said you aren't Korean. I have made multiple posts in response to yours that have made no comment on this yet you continue to ignore them and not respond to my points.

 

Others have also made posts with thoughtful responses about the possible flaws in how you view idols in the industry and you are ignoring that as well.

 

Edit: And No. Acknowledging that they put out what they want us to see and therefore it invalidates both of our arguments is not an actual response. Because it's not acknowledging intentional actions vs subconscious reactions, fancams vs. produced media, etc. It's not a vacuum where all material is the same. 

Edited October 14, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

i'm sorry i just re-read my *first* comment on this thread and there's nothing rude about what i said. i offered MY opinion and MY take like everyone else. it was YOU and the others that got triiiggered and spammed this thread with 100 same replies about how masculine =/ straight.

 

So again, in response, i tried to educate you on how the cultural context plays a role here when i said Jimin wants to look masculine and dominant. I kindly corrected your westernized LGBTQ centric view. that in korea, those don't exist. that you can't project those concepts onto these boys. it just doesen't work.

 

It was you and the others that derailed this thread and came at me like a bunch of butthurt lunatics. lol

 

If you want to ask me about korea, message me. this thread is about the idols.

Interesting that you ask people to message you but you still haven't responded to my last message.

 

Because you seem to just stop responding when people respond with anything that doesn't match your narrative.

 

During our messages you claimed:

 

You claimed there was no gay culture in Korea (there are underground gay clubs / districts & a pride festival every summer). That idols aren't aware of any gay culture cause they only speak Korean (Jonghyun from Shiner barely speaks English but has posted and talked about LGBT rights). That gay characters aren't shown on tv (I can provide a list of shows or movies that did have LGBT characters)

 

i was honestly expecting an actual response to those points and not your anger that I brought up proof of gay culture in Korea. You seem to think we shouldn't be able to speak about this because we aren't Korean but at the same time you have spoken at length about gay culture in the Western world. I asked you what information I shared was incorrect and I'm still waiting

Edited October 15, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I don't know about you guys, but I think Choi Minho is gay. I mean he's cute, hot and sexy because he is built like a freight train, but he manages to look awkward as fuck every single time a girl is nearby.

 

I love looking at him, but he is not a good actor at least when he is with girls.

 

But he lights up like a fucking Christmas tree when he has Taemin's attention.

 

Honestly he confuses me. Rationally I think he's straight and I have no reason to stay otherwise but there is this weird nagging voice in the back of my head whispering "But are you sure????"

 

He does enjoy getting attention from older men as well and really wanted that maknae position. Plus his reaction on Jonghyun kissing him.

Edited October 15, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

...

 

I could bring up the receipts of what you posted but I'm honestly done. You rely entirely on insults and insisting that you are the only one who can talk about Korea because you were raised there. Yet you continue to talk about gay culture / awareness / rights in the Western World (which you shouldn't be able to by your own logic) or ignore others who live in Korea but whose experience doesn't line up with yours.

 

So I'll simply remind you that back in 2013 Rap Mon tweeted about Same Love, acknowledged that it was about supporting gay marriage and that it made him love the song even more on the official BTS twitter. Meaning that five years ago there was a member of the group that was socially woke about the issue. In 2015 Jungkook and Rap Mon made a cover of Troye Sivan's Fool and Troye's video for this included a very obvious gay love story that involved Troye and his male love interest making out on a bed shirtless. Jungkook is still dropping his name as someone he wants to collaborate with and is a fan of.

 

Heaven knows there is disagreement on whether or not any members of BTS are members of the community itself but this is also a group that has shown it is awareness and support since the beginning. 

 

So I will stop speaking about gay culture in South Korea to you but I also kindly ask you to do the same. Please stop speaking about the "Western Progressive Gay Culture" as well since, by your logic, you couldn't possibly understand it either.

[raspberry84]

To get us back on track, I will never be over this song and it's lack of subtlety

 

 

[raspberry84]

Shinee (especially Jonghyun, Key but also Taemin) fanboying during BTS performance.

FEELINGS COME OUT !!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGp9dkYjRUY

 

My favorite part of this is Jonghyun's reaction to Jimin taking off his jacket at 1:30ish. He goes from bopping along to his jaw dropping and staring. Then follows that up by mimicking to his members how Jimin had ripped off his shirt at the previous award show.

 

Edit: Who actually negged me for this? LMAO

Edited November 6, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

The thing about Jungkook is he really looks up to and idolizes the other members in his group and really is the baby of the group. Remember he was like 13/14 when he joined the group and he still routinely sleeps in bed with the other members and misses sharing a room with them.

 

So it makes it confusing to figure out if his reactions are him looking up to other members or attractions. We also don't see a lot of interaction with people outside of BTS either with him.

 

With all that said.....that video definitely comes off like Jungkook has a crush on Jimin and he wrote a very public love letter to him in the form of that video.

[raspberry84]

Look, I have never "shipped" jikook and never found them suspicious before but there really is no heterosexual explanation for that video.

 

At this point I'm fairly confident believing that Jungkook isn't straight and I kinda do want to re-examine some old interactions between the two.That video gave off "Kookie has a crush/attraction" vibes and a part of me is wondering if he reacted so weirdly/negatively to Jimin's attention in the past because he was lowkey crushing on him.

 

I'm still completely neutral on Jimin's feelings for Jungkook. I haven't seen enough to suggest that he has feelings / an attraction to him to be honest.

[raspberry84]

Means? Safety pin, it's very popular fashion accessory... Some meaning in America?? 

 

Around the time of Trump's election people started to wear them to show that they didn't support Trump or his bigoted beliefs. It was also a way to show that you were "safe' to go to if someone was being harassed or felt in danger for help.

 

Which is a nice sentiment but people also wore them long before that for fashion reasons so it's not easy to see who was doing it to make a statement and who was doing it to show support.

[raspberry84]

I live in the US,  gay and hate Trump, but never heard about this safety pin routing you mention

 

It was like for a hot second, seemed to be mostly straight, white, Christian "allies" on twitter and I didn't ever see anyone in real life wearing one. It was also pretty heavily criticized by the LGBT community, among others, as being a passive way to support minorities and not have to do anything

 

Why I never read anything into people wearing them and assume it's just a fashion thing.

 

 

No hate to you in anyway, but i am a hardcore troye sivan fan and he said that the song was not written romantically, it was written as a message to his fans and thanking them for everything they've done. Part of the song says 'when you're screaming but they only hear you whisper I'll be loud for you' was written to tell his fans that if you're a stuggling LGBT teen and no one is listening to you, he'll shout it for you so people hear. Sorry for ruining anyone's perception of the song

 

I think he just picked the song because he liked it but this meaning of the song being about supporting queer youth instead of being about a queer relationship....that doesn't make the song any less gay.

 

 

 

I mean, there are a lot of similarities between the original music for it and it's style and what Jungkook did. I personally think he was a fan of the video and got inspired by it.

 

If anything it just confirms that Jungkook watches Troye's music videos along with hardcore stanning his music. Which is interesting because while you don't have to be LGBT to like a LGBT musician's music I do think it's fair to say that people who are LGBT seek out LGBT representation in their media.

 

And Troye isn't like Sam Smith who who is openly gay but tends to make his music and video gender neutral (Sam tends to have a nice mix of representations of couples in his videos) so it appeals to the masses. Other then his first big video and this one about his fans, his videos have always been very, very focused on gay couples.

 

TL;DR:

 

I just enjoy the fact that Kookie probably has watched these video:

 

 

 

 

 

(And I do notice a few similarities to his video and the second one here like the opening, the shots of his feet, filming into the mirror but those are common tropes so not reading much into that).

 

 

Ok so here's my two cents about the jikook vid:

1. Honestly I don't think there's anything going on with them. So many ppl think Jungkook made this video specifically for Jimin but he would have most likely made a video like this even if he had traveled with another member too

2. I don't think this way a stunt planned by bighit. I do believe they traveled together genuinly

3. Jungkook has expressed his interest in filming and editing for a while, and this trip gave him a chance to work on something that he was interested in

4. Sharing bed automatically means that you're dating? Well then I'm dating all the friends I've slept over at because we shared the same bed 

 

For #4 - That definitely means nothing when it comes to Jungkook. Pretty sure the members aren't joking when they say that he just sleeps in other members beds and should just get rid of his. When Jungkook did a tour of the dorm his room definitely wasn't set up like a bedroom. He wanted a studio so he made his room a studio with a lofted bed. Which had stuff piled on it and no sheets.

Edited November 12, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I think this thread has a weird relationship with Jungkook and his sexuality to be honest. Everyone talks about how Jimin, J-Hope and Jin ping them and everyone was talking about the video the Taehyung posted as being a "couples" video because it was Tae.

 

Maybe it's just me but I feel like people write off a lot of the stuff Jungkook does because he doesn't fall into the more stereotypical behaviors. Especially compared to other members in his group. Like yeah, sleeping in the other member's bed and his physical affection is most likely 100% platonic but more and more it's starting to seem like he isn't straight when you look at stuff outside that.

 

Same thing happens with Suga. I rarely see him on the list of BST members people think they are gay/bi despite the fact he point blank said gender didn't matter to him in an interview. He isn't stereotypical so people overlook him.

 

Like lowkey, sometimes I wonder if the reason Suga is so soft with Jungkook (especially compared to the rest) is because they're both queer. It could also explain why BH has continued implying their characters in the universe they created are romantically involved if they're the two members who aren't straight.

Edited November 13, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Not to be a buzzkill but I think he was talking about people in general, not specific experiences from members of the group.

[raspberry84]

all of bts seem very straight to me

 

sehun is bi

 

Look. I'm not reading much into that answer but all of BTS ain't straight.

 

At the bare minimum you have Taehyung because there is nothing heterosexual about Stigma.