Bushi 4,298 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Now here's an interesting and some would say unlikely combo! Two of my favourite K-Pop Straighties, Baekhyun and Ten. Click here to view the Tweet Yes, not much to report but a nice set of photos at a performance but then the really cute thing was they left together at the end. Bacon is in the bucket hat and Ten has the peaked cap on behind him. Nothing inherently unheterosexual about any of it of course, two broley-bros leaving the show together. But it'd be really nice to see their friendship continue. I hope they hang out more. Click here to view the Tweet Click here to view the Tweet Click here to view the Tweet Credit to the owners on Twitter. In the video you can see Baekhyun turn round and look for Ten as he's going down the steps. I know they've interacted in the past briefly but was so surprised and delighted to see them doing the selfies and then leaving to possibly hang out afterwards. Edited July 21, 2018 by Bushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Okay I need to vent. Bear with me. These last days were stressful. So I barely followed the drama that happened with this whole Yoonpearl thing in real time since I was working the first week in my new job. But I've read some pretty messed up shit these last days just by scrolling down instagram and though Yijeongs Insta and I'm so done, seriously. So, if you don't know, I'm the OP of the Kyungjeong thread and I've been a fan of History and Yijeong for ages. After the whole drama with them after the disbandmand, I was sooo sooo happy to see Yijeong successfull as a producer, and I screamed when I saw that he produced for BTS. But I already had a feeling then that this won't end good. After this whole gift thing happened, people started to ship Yijeong with Yoongi. I mean, I get it. It's cute and all. But people don't even look for who he actually is. Some of you probably know kyungjeong and the canon in this thread has always been that they are/were probably the most legit ship out there. Yijeong was never really subtle about his sexuality, let's be real on this, there's no way he's actually straight. But after being playful about it and causing a complete histeria with these shippers, he's now being forced to make statements like "I only love women" because some delusional "fans" ask him "if he's sucking Yoongis dick" or attack him with homophobic shit - are you fucking serious!? And now they're even calling him a HOMOPHOBE.. and also attack History Fans that vent about this whole situation on twitter.. WHAT?! THIS ISN'T ABOUT A SHIP! This is just simply overstepping all kinds of boundaries. Also, WHAT WERE THEY EXPECTING? That Yijeong will come out on an insta live and drag yoongi and bts into a huge scandal? Seriously? Meanwhile Yijeong is probably reading through all this mess because he's that type. I can't, I seriously can't. On the positive side, by saying what he said J. Pearl has all but cut those fans off at the jugular and hopefully before K-Pop media gets hold of it. But if JP is not straight (and you seem to know something of his history) and he's having to dive for cover, that would set any closeted person back because you're then expected to live up to it and produce receipts. J Pearl seems nice and I'm sorry the ugly, selfish side of fandom happened to him. If I recall correctly, didn't fans also hound that female singer Yoongi worked with over 'dating rumours' (invented by fans as well?) to the point where she had to apologise for existing? Edited July 21, 2018 by Bushi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) I've always said if Namjoon were fam it would not surprise me. But there's so much going on with these boys on so many levels it'd be erroneous (for me) to assume their issues related solely (or at all) to sexuality. Although it's equally a valid pov and you could be totally on the right track. It's just hard to know when people won't, or can't, really say openly. Many of them had to fight their families to get this far so it could be as simple as that. i remember when Namjoon kissed the bust of an older Roman emperor(?) in one of their challenges to imitate Jin kissing the BST statue, but he did it with such seriousness and reverence. It was quite touching. Edited July 21, 2018 by Bushi 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) doesn't really mean anything but yaaaaaaaaaass He looks beautiful. I love this. Also, NCT must be the kings of gay moments if that vid is running into a part 12. A part 2 is usually enough to have a decent case to argue, lol! Edited July 24, 2018 by Bushi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) Proud kings not being at all subtle. I'm . Of course, lets see how many knetz say this is nothing to do with symbolism and they just like propping random neon triangles in their videos. Or better still, it's a reference to Star Wars lightsabers. And the song is a BOP. <3 Edited July 24, 2018 by Bushi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) From that Rolling Stone India article above I thought this was really interesting: The Internet is testament to his lament; the majority of articles about him come from international media and foreign journalists. The Korean side largely chooses to maintain a careful silence and when there is that odd article, it barely skims the surface. The lack of discussion around a gay K-pop star—negative or positive—is alarming, considering K-pop is in general flooded with androgyny, subtle homoeroticism and same-sex physical intimacy in music videos, performances and interviews. In fact, it’s rare to see much discussion around the LGBTQ+ community at all. “It’s a little bit depressing,†he sighs, adding, “There are many things that I have to accomplish in the future; I will do my best, of course. But there is definitely a large section in Korean society where my presence is not welcome.†It's exactly what we were talking about the other day, how K-Pop has no problem with homoeroticism and skinship when trying to push product on the masses, presumably as long as it's only seen as a 'joke' and 'a means to an end', whereas real same-sex relationships between performers or those outside k-Pop are frowned upon or mocked in SK society. Like, I just cannot work that mentality out. No wonder things are so confusing for Korean people. You have all these same-sex images pushed at you that you are then told are irrelevant and meaningless when applied in the real world. And yet all these entertainment agencies are getting fat with cash from it. Something nice to come from the article was this: he explains. “I was outed by an article, an interview with the media. So my parents were informed about my sexuality from the article. At the time, I wasn’t at my parents’ house so I left a letter [explaining everything] to them.†... Holland goes on to assure me that despite the suddenness of the event, his parents were very supportive; “They felt very sorry for me because they didn’t know I had experienced such a hard time,†he says. “They cried because they didn’t know I was suffering that much.†It's great that Holland's parents are supportive of him. Edited July 24, 2018 by Bushi 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 They're really smart and inclusive. They open with the 'lady, lady' line and then hit you with the male pronoun later on. Also they look like they're almost holding hands running across the field. Sweet. And yeah, even if that line is from a movie, they know what they're doing. And yeah, even if the triangle is just a random floaty set of pink lightsticks, they know what they're doing. And yes, triangles are hardwired into the gay community, like rainbows. You can't even drive past most roadsigns without getting a ping back. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Just thought this was interesting, Hoseok with his friend predebut. Might be just guys being dudes, but I find his body language in the second photo quite interesting. They're great pics and thanks for sharing. Tbh, I think this is kind of a normal day at the office for Hobi? I'd hazard a guess that he's probably always been tactile and cuddly with his friends. I'm not sure I personally could guage his sexuality from such pics. But they def. seem to show someone who is unafraid of physical contact with another male, and pretty confident too. As you say, interesting. He always strikes me as someone who successfully plays the clown for fans but is also quite the alpha. On a totally off topic note I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who suffered through childhood with terrible home-done hairdos. Many of the idols had the most atrocious bowl cuts and bad hairlines at school. It's almost criminal. Edited July 25, 2018 by Bushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) For the Heechul fans here, what are your views that he 'uses' a 'gay persona' as a cover to be a womaniser? I've done a bit of checking out there recently and there seems to be some people who really think this. Would that make sense? Would he attract attention to himself as queer if he was really bedding loads of women? Would that help him operate as a successful casanova with females? Just curious as I know practically nothing about him as a person except his actions in the TV shows. Edited July 26, 2018 by Bushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, it strikes me as an odd theory because all that generally happens when a person invites, and continues to play up to, same-sex antics, is that it follows them around pretty much forever. It's hardly a logical calling card (imo) if you are a straight man who is serious about landing a girlfriend/wife and protecting her from endless gossip. I think you make a good point about how comfortable female celebs are around him. I mean, if he was scum, they could just literally avoid him and never get involved. Click here to view the Tweet Here's Tae with another recent rendition of his special Sam Smith song 'Lay Me Down'. Edited July 26, 2018 by Bushi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Just reading that the SK Ministry of Defence has reduced the mandatory military service across most of its arenas by the expected 3 months. This should also apply to the likes of those currently serving afaik, like thread favs, Jo Kwon, and perhaps G-Dragon, though I don't know exactly when he joined. So army is now 18 months from 21 months and means they can get back to music sooner. Edited July 27, 2018 by Bushi 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) We should talk more about some of these moments: Lol, you have to be quite the hero to make Tae, who has a definite dommy streak, blush. I can only imagine the mess of viewer comments on that video, no doubt ranging from 'Yaaas, slay my gay king' to 'Wtf, you CANNOT call Jimin GAAAAAY!!! (cue heterosexual nervous breakdown and essay on why nobody is allowed to 'assume Jimin's sexuality'TM). Edited July 30, 2018 by Bushi 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Okay let's not be so categorical. I mean it's not uncommon for gay people (especially in conservative societies) to say and to do things that not fully or even compltetly not correspond to reality. Dozens of gay people date and even marry people of opposite sex and stay in closet for ages. And it is way more simple to say "I don't care" even if you care a lot. Because, as we see, literally no one give a shit about such lines in Suga's songs. And imagine for a second, what would have happened if he had left only "boys". I think both of your points of view are valid. In terms of what I've seen out there in discussion on him, a lot of fans refer to Suga as 'pan' more than anything else. Edited July 31, 2018 by Bushi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) ^ If I assume the translation's correct then that's a confident and strong prince right there. <3 Yes, let's stop that kind of thing. Let's just say what we think. Also, a couple of moments below. I dunno what's going on here but Sehun's face does that thing where he knows some guy is watching him and he goes all coy and smirky. Click here to view the Tweet This came from a Sehun-centric site so assume it's him (Edit: might be Kai judging by the hair). If you look closely the bands of colour looks like a pride flag. Maybe something, maybe not, but interesting. Click here to view the Tweet Edited July 31, 2018 by Bushi 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 ^ Unless you're Cha Seung Won and then... Click here to view the Tweet "Bitches out of the way, please..." 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) I think we have been extremely lucky to get the snippets we have had from them, because for many they must be terrified of their parents. Quite literally. I cannot believe I'm writing this in 2018 but sadly I still think it has a heavy bearing on how people act and how much they can push the envelope. I think we sometimes forget (and some never think on it) that they are aware their own families are watching them too. Any LGBT people may not even be out/out fully to their nearest and dearest let alone anyone else. The more famous you get, the more of a rigid set of rules you fall under. BTS are now at a stage where every facet of their lives is controlled and documented almost daily for max output. The cameras are nearly following them to the toilets. To live in a gilded cage like that must be frankly, exhausting. Do I think it would have a bearing on anyone's sexuality in terms of true freedom? Of course. Another thing, does anyone remember around the time of the BBMAs some US reporter or journo tweeted something about just finding out one of his fav K-Pop boyband members was gay. He was really happy bcs he'd just interviewed (or was in contact with) BTS and I think he was gay himself. He didn't name names but naturally Army erupted into chaos for a hot hour and I think the tweet or quote got pulled. Edited July 31, 2018 by Bushi 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Ugh, cannot not reply to it. You wrote it in such a misleading way. You are legit implying that it most probably was said about BTS' member, while he didn't even said anything about boy band, all he said is "one of my korean celebrity crush is gay", which could be anyone: idol, singer, model, actor, etc.. He interviewed BTS only once in his life and I have extra HUGE doubts that BTS would say anything personal to a complete stranger they saw for the first time on their life, what to tell about their sexual orientation. It was discussed on this thread around February and main conclusion was either he was in gay club and saw someone or he heard some rumors since some lgbt celebs are like an open secret in Korea or he was just trying to get attention, since he apparently deleted that tweet, cause I can't find it right now. I can assure you it wasn't meant to be deliberately misleading. Which was why I asked if people recalled it as my memory if it is hazy but some ARMY I saw made it seem so BTS relevant via the fuss that got made. I also would not (and didn't) say that info came from BTS, if it was relevant to them. I would not expect any celeb to open up to a journalist unless it was agreed between them and would benefit the interviewee. I'd have expected it to have come from journalistic gossip circles. I do appreciate you explaining the story with more meat on the bones. I cannot find the tweet and it's probably long gone so could not go back for reference. Edited August 3, 2018 by Bushi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) ^^ I've had a look through that thread and it just seems as if the sources are most likely super fans looking for attention, making tons of girlfriend rumours up to entertain an account audience. There's hardly any gay stuff on there - Sehun is NOT gay (typical offended fangirl language) and is dating Irene, for example. Cool, fair enough, but someone better let Chef Suke know. Key and the male model was interesting (if perhaps predictable) but is supposedly old news. Edited August 17, 2018 by Bushi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) ^^ To be honest the most interesting reaction for me is the host's. Plus he's quite a nice looking older man. Edited August 17, 2018 by Bushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) apparently dino was carrying a lesbian book around in the airport? dont understand korean :l Click here to view the Tweet Thanks for that. There's a translation in English a little further down the page: Click here to view the Tweet Edited August 18, 2018 by Bushi 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) He's so lovely, as are his friends. I enjoyed watching him fluff his lines in the studio lol and shoot parts of the recent videos. Some of the other interesting points for me were that he wants to do a fan meeting but is scared his fans will be targeted by Christians because he's still getting grief from them. His mum wants him to live abroad (I guess she thinks he'll be safer/freer since she supports him). His family are basically accepting of him but there are some who are a bit iffy. He mentions 'boyfriends' and seems to make reference to a current boyfriend? It was so sad to hear his cute friend next to him speak of being taken to a mental asylum by his parents and fed medication to 'treat' his gayness (THAT clearly worked wonders as he's now out and seems content, lol). I liked how they talked topical; a Russian homophobic incident, a uni club (inc. an aromantic and asexual person), things changing for LGBT+ and also speak evenly about the haters (whilst haters sit and plot against this community 24/7 boo! - imo). It was nice to see Holland and his friends happy, relaxed and drinking/eating together discussing issues. He looks so cute with those huge glasses. Edited August 18, 2018 by Bushi 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 apparently Y** *h *n made news again last month for visiting a gay bar in China https://scribbleandscroll.com/korean-actor-yoo-ah-in-sighted-in-famous-shanghai-gay-club/ I wish people would stop leaking this stuff about him, although we all know, he should not be forced to come out or be outed just because people want to brag they were with him/paparazzi want a "juicy" story The link isn't to what I'd call a juicy story. He was just seen in a gay club and the article writer, Amber McLean, is extremely nice about him and LGBT in general. With respect, he's a grown adult who chose to go to a 'famous' Chinese gay club and stay 'all night', taking pictures, with a man who is possibly (or not) his boyfriend and seemingly not much caring who saw him. Good for him I say. If people want to be more visible and be seen in public, knowing others will talk, then the more it will become accepted and the more pressure on Asian governments to accept LGBT+ people exist. Of course he can always get his team to deny it if he is not happy, and say he just wandered into a random nightclub. 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 You can downvote me all you like but he's a grownass man who chose to go to a very public non-member/non-private gay club and have fun with other people. If you can't accept him how do you expect others to? 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) In a way, I agree with you and see your point of view, he is a grown man and he doesn't look like he was forced to pose in that photo in any way. But why is there a need to even write an article about it? Can't the man just go to a gay club without it being made into a big deal, he's just living his best life, doing things other people do on the daily but it makes news only because he is a celebrity. I have a feeling he will come out one day, but I want him to have a chance to do so under his own rules. Also, I didn't down vote you, I respect your opinion which differs from mine even though we don't agree on everything, nothing you said was offensive nor does it warrant a neg imho. Thank you. I'm sorry if you thought I meant 'you' as in personal to you when I said that. I tend to say 'you' when I speak generally/plural so it was just aimed at whoever. I do see where you're coming from and ordinarily I'd agree if it were a private members club/bar and someone were breaking a confidence on this man. But that he went to a highly visible gay bar full of Chinese LGBT and westerners indicates that he wasn't too fussed who saw him. Afaik, he's exempt from mandatory service in Korea on medical grounds so he doesn't need to worry about any of the crazy witch hunts if he is family. I take the point that gossip can often be detrimental and care is needed but sometimes it doesn't actually hurt to remind others (even if idle gossip) that going to a public gay club isn't anything to be ashamed of or necessarily hide. The UK Guardian newspaper recently gave Yoo Ah In's film Burning a really good review, 4/5 stars. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/may/17/burning-review-cannes-2018-lee-chang-dong Edited August 21, 2018 by Bushi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushi 4,298 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I don't know how right on the translation is but it's Minhyuk so there's a decent chance it's 150% accurate. Sorry. Click here to view the Tweet Bonus: think that's Hyungwon dying on the left. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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