Josaline 10,589 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Click here to view the Tweet 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 ahh, come ooooon! I just watched it again. If there was a girl behind that camera, no one would be finding excuses like "oh he just found it weird" or "he thought it was an official camera". And, I'm maybe blind, but nothing about the way he's looking at that camera says "oh, this is weird" lol Maybe this is unpopular option but isn't Jungkook always do this? It's like he's picking a camera out of the crowd and looking at it with all his attention. I also noticed that Tae and Jimin did the same. Jungkook House Of Cards fancam 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Yes he does, always, but my point is people keep stating weird reasons he was doing it just because it was a guy holding the camera. And when it's a fangirl you get comments like omg you're so lucky, he must've liked you, you must be really pretty etc. And because it's a guy, you get "oh he just thought it was weird". It doesn't even matter, because they're always looking at the cameras, not the people holding them, every "eyecontact" video is actually them staring at the camera, but it's just funny to me how different the comments are depending on who's behind the camera. Absolutely. Those who are closely following the group are already aware of it. They always look at the camera, not the person behind it.^^ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Ok this is cute^^ Click here to view the Tweet Edit: I don't understand. Two man doing tango on stage and this post negged? I think some people need to overcome their prejudices. Edited April 21, 2018 by Josaline 14 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 The problem is this is fanservice. Enjoyable and definitely worthy of the shipper threads but isn't evidence. Yoongi and Taehyung linked fingers and held hands on stage. It was a cute moment I loved but I'm not going to post it here because it qualifies as fanservice imo. Same way that there were Jikook moments at the fanmeet but no one is posting them here either. Even if there is a fanservice, users have shared official photo shoots or even MV's here because those give the same feeling, then it was no problem right? Don't tell me it's not about prejudice. 6 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'm going to be REALLY honest with you for a second. Remember in the beginning, I tried to help you compromise with the others, in the end, you ignored all of what was suggested to you. In short, the negative reaction to your posts comes down to your track record, here. It's why reputation is so important. It's hard to get back. Trust me. I know from experience. I understand what you said and thank you for your support. People once believed that I was a Taekook shipper, even if I share something light, I get negative feedback. Even if I somehow participate in the arguments, they start judging me right away. I have been sharing things here for almost a year and it is still same. My other post get upvotes, Taekook's get negged. People simply doesn't want to see Taekook here. I get it. But I have never been a person living with the expectations of others. I just don't find it right to be so prejudiced in a couple just because they're popular. 7 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 MVs are a bit tricky. Usually when they're shared it's either to discuss their queer content or to establish it was just queerbaiting. For example, J-Hope's Daydream video gets discussed because of the possible bi pride flag and the male laying in bed behind him. If we posted every fanservice moment that happened between the BTS members at this event it would be pages of content and turn into spam real quick for anyone not interested in BTS. Edit: On top of that, I believe 2 people negged your comment and it's now at a positive 1 so I don't know why you're this upset over it. I've seen other ships get way harsher reactions then this. Your'e a bit late, my post get negget -7 and but when another user showed support for it, then it started to be positive. The thing is I'm not share continuously fan service here. I'm not spamming fan service here. I'm also sharing about other things, I particibate other discussions. So please don't tell me they are not prejudiced.^^ 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 the only prejudice here is against bad posts that are a waste of space and time cause they serve nothing to the purpose of the thread people post fanservice here? sure, but they are self concious that this is not evidence if we all start post only fanservice and treating like everything belongs here its better to just unite the ship threads and this one cause theres gonna be no difference Who said I saw this as evidence? I saw there two men performing tango on the stage, and I thought it was appropriate for this topic. Even if this is a fan service was a nice view. And they don't now? I don't care. I wonder if your posts would be better received in BTS threads/threads for the pairings you post. Try that instead. I am not a shipper, why do I have to go there? Above you can see how mature other users are, how helpful and polite they are to other users. I wish I could be like them.^^ 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I don't want to answer if I have to be honest, but well^^ Some users say that I have a record Taekook message here. Let's see, Taekook 21.04.2018 Jungkook 17.04.2018 Namjoon 15.04.2018 Taekook 13.04.2018 Donghae/Eunhae 11.04.2018 j-Hope 09.04.2018 Jikook 06.04.2018 Jihope 04.04.2018 Namjin 01.04.2018 Jimin 16.03.2018 Perahu Kertas by Maudy Ayunda (Indonesia) 13.03.2018 About Jungkook and others 06.03.2018 Jungkook 06.03.2018 Jungkook 03.03.2018 Johnnys Ent. 02.03.2018 J-Hope 17.02.2018 Jin 16.02.2018 Taekook 16.02.2018 Taekook 13.02.2018 Bogum/Tae 09.02.2018 Lay 02.02.2018 Jikook 30.01.2018 Tae/Park Hyungsik/Park Jihoon 25.01.2018 Jimin 21.01.2018 Tae/Irene 12.01.2018 Tae/Park Hyungsik/Park Jihoon 12.01.2018 Tae/Park Jihoon 10.01.2018 Tae/others 04.01.2018 Taekook 02.01.2018 Tae/Stigma 02.01.2018 Tae/Park Jihoon 01.01.2018 Actor 01.01.2018 Tae/Ansel Elgot 30.12.2017 Yamapi 29.12.2017 Tae/Stigma 26.12.2017 Tae/Stigma 21.12.2017 Tae/Bogum 11.12.2017 Taekook 04.12.2017 JiHope 02.12.2017 Jin 18.11.2017 Jikook 10.11.2017 Taekook 13.10.2017 Jungkook 07.10.2017 Jungkook 06.10.2017 Jin/J-Hope 05.10.2017 Taekook 04.10.2017 Jungkook 01.10.2017 Taekook 30.09.2017 Suga 10.09.2017 Youtuber 08.09.2017 Youtuber 05.09.2017 Suga 02.09.2017 Taekook 31.08.2017 Musician 29.08.2017 Jungkook 29.08.2017 Baekhyun/Tae 26.08.2017 Tae 25.08.2017 Taekook 23.08.2017 Taekook 20.08.2017 Taekook 17.08.2017 Vmin 13.08.2017 Jungkook 10.08.2017 Jimin 09.08.2017 Jin 07.08.2017 Taekook 06.08.2017 Taekook 19.07.2017 Tae/Stigma 17.07.2017 J-Hope 16.07.2017 Taekook 13.07.2017 BTS 10.07.2017 Jikook 09.07.2017 You are so right, I have so many Taekook post here! *facepalm* Not even half of my messages ... If you don't believe, check it out. And there is something I want to remind you gently, this section is not opened just because LGTB people share their ideas about Kpop idols. This is open to all users. Users have no right to ridicule and mock another user. If you see that a post is made that does not fit the rules, the thing you will do is very simple, you will report. Off course people will surely find childishness in joining such attitudes towards another user. English is not my mother language., not even my second language. I'm trying very hard to express myself. I don't care bein negged. I don't care what you think about me. But none of you have the right to bully me like this. I'm sorry (not sorry), but I will continue to post here, and you will learn to respect me. 10 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Today's Burn The Stage episode Taehyung talking about why he cried and Jimin helped him. Contrary to theories here, the reasons for his worries are very different. Taehyung opening up on how difficult acting was, how big are the expectations on the stage, and the burden of high expectations on him. He has accumulated all his anxieties and for a long time hid only himself, eventually bursting in front of Jimin and starts crying. Other members, especially Jimin helped him. Life lesson from Taehyung: "Unless you open up and share your feelings, no one can understand what you're going through" edit: caps Click here to view the Tweet Edited May 2, 2018 by Josaline 18 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Are you referring to theories about Stigma? Nope, last Bon Voyage, Tae's letter for Jimin. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Narcissus theory came from Billboard article and they obviously know more detail than we do. Also need to remember that Taehyung did not write the whole Stigma. Tae tells us that he just made the chorus part. The rest of the song was completed by the other producers. He just told the producers he wanted them to create a song with a certain feeling. He says he wanted to create a jazz style song for a long time. He like movies like " Born to be Blue " The film tells the life story of Chet Baker, a jazz musician who always struggles with drug addiction. Tae has said many times that Chet Baker's one of he's favorite artists. According to Tae's explanation, the person in the song is suffering so much that he end up begins to like the pain. Click here to view the Tweet 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Billboard doesn't necessarily know more than us, unless you're going to take Yoongi being queer as 100% fact now because an article they wrote presented it that way. That could simply be an interpretation or connection they drew. Anyways, you can acknowledge all of this and still think that the song is connected to him dealing with his homosexuality. Nothing that you have included here discredits that interpretation of events. Those quotes about pain and wanting fans to understand that work within the queer theory. So many different interpretations of the song prove how beautiful it is. You can interpret it the way you want it, I'm not against it. But, to make the song relevant to his queer problems when he has not even written the whole song ... Sounds a bit stretch. People here tend to jump right into the conclusion. You've done this in Tae's letter to Jimin. But then what was the reason for Tae's crying? You understand what I mean. So, I think it would be best to wait for Tae to make a explanation. 11 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 if we wait for Tae explanation he is never gonna come out and say "yeah that song is about me being gay" just because that song wasnt completely written by him, doesnt mean that he hadnt creative control. He could have done like Beyonce does. She dont write the lyrics, but she tell what the song should be about and how it should be portrayed Yes and he already did that. Maybe you can't see my post, He just told the producers he wanted them to create a song with a certain feeling. He says he wanted to create a jazz style song for a long time. He like movies like " Born to be Blue " The film tells the life story of Chet Baker, a jazz musician who always struggles with drug addiction. Tae has said many times that Chet Baker's one of he's favorite artists. According to Tae's explanation, the person in the song is suffering so much that he end up begins to like the pain. He explain Stigma and I'm sure he will explain this song too. I prefer to trust his statements. 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 But you do seem against it. You say that people can interpret the song however they want but then attempt to discredit anyone who believes it's connected to his sexuality by saying it's a "stretch" and that we should wait until Tae gives an explanation. That isn't respecting other interpretations, that is trying to discredit them because they don't fit into your own personal narrative about what the song is about. As far as the letter goes, I personally don't believe Tae came out to anyone in the group until after the start of 2017 so I definitely don't think the letter was in relation to his "coming out" and is evidence only in regards to the close bond between the two. I do think Jimin was probably one of the first that Tae came out to but that is neither here nor there when talking about Stigma or Singularity. But he made a statement about Stigma, and what else you need? I'm think of " stretch " because he did not even write the whole song and he says his song about wanting to more pain. Btw, the letter was written at the end of summer of 2017. 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I understand what you're saying, but i will say it again, if he did wrote this song about being gay, witch i believe he did, he would come to the public talking about it, because of the motives we all know about. That's why i took his statements with a grain of salt. I respect your opinion but i disagree with it It's ok, so many different interpretations of the song prove how beautiful it is.^^ 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I've read his statement for Stigma, I think what he said still works within the context of the queer theory. When talking about the feelings and emotions he wanted represented in the song. He never gave a cause or motive for those feelings or the pain, hence that part is still up for interpretation. He is also not in a place where he would be able to confirm if it was about his sexuality due to the industry and the homophobia still present within our society. Anyone who is queer 100% understands being in a situation where you can't be honest about your sexuality even if you want to and using coded language and answers. People who share those experiences will get it, those who don't won't. So again, this all still works within the queer theory. You don't need to agree with that theory but there is nothing that has disproven it from his statements. Also Bon Voyage with the letter was in April of 2017, which I consider the start/early 2017. I think it was during and after this trip he started coming out as it lined up with several other interesting events. So the letter he wrote on this trip referring to a past event definitely doesn't work within my own personal theory about when he started to accept himself and come out. Let's agree to dissagree. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 The point I have been trying to make this entire time. Thank you. I'm glad you finally have come to understand that there are different interpretations of his songs and you don't need to discredit or invalidate ones you don't agree with. I'm always saying that diffirent interpretations is good and I'm not trying to discredit yours. It just, I prefer to trust his statements. 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) Sorry that your lack of understanding of how being gay works in the real world doesn't go unnoticed here. My lesbian ass does not deal with heteronormativity all that well and will call you out on that straight bs. Sorry not sorry. This was a sign of my mood, shows that what I feel when you keep quote me messages even though I had closed the subject. Stop pulling in different directions. Edited May 6, 2018 by Josaline 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) Multiple members have talked explicitly about how they feel they have to wear metaphorical masks in front of their fans. Yoongi said this in his, "make up to wake up to dress up to mask on" line. Hoseok talked about it all through Daydream. Namjoon just said in Burn the Stage that the hardest thing for him is that he doesn't know how honest he should be in interviews/in front of fans. They talked about it at the end of the skit Hesitation and Fear. Etc etc. Regardless of how you interpret Stigma or any of their sexualities, they've made it very clear they feel they can't always be 100% honest with us. We shouldn't blame for that though. It's just the pressure of the industry and a conservative society. I agree all of this. People are free to interpret the song the way they want it. I only respect, acknowledge and reminded the users of his explanations, that's it. edit: Singularity Click here to view the Tweet Click here to view the Tweet Edited May 6, 2018 by Josaline 11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Putting a mask on to gain love sounds pretty gay to me, but what do I know. To me, literally it describes the lives of almost all celebrities. They act like somebody they are not, they say things they don't want to say, they wear what they don't want to wear etc. They're trying to look like fans want to see them. I guess that really fits their ongoing story. I was very pleased that Tae sang this song. According to members, Taehyung is the only person with the same character behind and in front the camera. Irony? I really love this universe that Big Hit created. You can find everything in it.^^ 12 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) Click here to view the Tweet he should've kept the lipstick on He is actually. Especially when they're shooting, they're all doing a heavy makeup. It's just that you can not notice it because of the lighting. The color change in the short video here is very clear. Click here to view the Tweet Just like that Edited May 8, 2018 by Josaline 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 It's not a Kpop but what do you think about Kazuya Kamenashi? This is his legendary 1582 performans. https://vimeo.com/42847895 Song and performans talking about Oda Nobunaga/Mori Ranmaru relationship. Oda is one of the most famous samurais ever because he was the first man to conquer all of Japan. Ranmaru was Oda's personal servant and a fiercely talented samurai. Also is known as one of the most beautiful boys in history. His beauty is said to have been so feminine that he could have passed for a woman. Once a foreign consul was so shocked by Ranmaru's beauty, that he fell speechless upon the sight of him. 1582 is the year of Nobunaga and Ranmaru's death. They died July 21st 1582. It is believed that Ranmaru and Oda had a sexual relationship. Nanshoku (sex between men) & Shudou (pederasty) was a common practice in those days. In several books written on how to be a good samurai or man of honour, the practice of having sex between an older male and a younger male was noted as a useful aspect of noble culture. Supposedly, the younger man would be trained to become a capable man and warrior, teaching him valuable lessons in beauty, honour and virtue, and the older Samurai was seen as in a position of strength and power. This practice was something even monks would partake in, believing it to curb the feminine corruption of women that could distract from being a good warrior. Actually there is a lot to tell but I wonder what you think after watching the performance. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josaline 10,589 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Link doesn't work but I've always thought he was gay and that he had a thing for Akanishi Jin and it's part of the reason Jin left Sent from my KIW-L24 using OneHallyu mobile app But link works for me? Really? Is there anything more specific about this? Yeah Akame some kind of legendary couple in Japan. Even today, after Jin's marriage and 2 kids, people still believe they have a thing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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