h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) I don't follow SHINee so I want to ask here but has key come out? Because this Japanese article about Jonghyun said according to a Korean entertainment isider key left their dorm long time ago because he is gay and a Shawol describes key as only gay member in the group in the same article. https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/entame/entertainment/867772/ He still has a career, that makes the "no" quite obvious. And an "insider" is more often than not just someone having an opinion on something they know nothing about. Edited December 23, 2017 by h0neanias 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Holland. Well shave my ass and call me an elf, it appears that our speculations about who's gonna be the first one are finished. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 i am not a gay may so i can't say anything about fetishism but i too have mixed feelings. his voice is nice and the song is okay but i feel like it's being mega-hyped because he's the first. like, someone has to be the first and he's amazingly brave for doing so but i feel like as a result he's getting success that other artists who come out won't get right away simply because he is the first. if that makes sense. Sent from my LG-H872 using OneHallyu mobile app He could also have flopped and be ostracized on top of that precisely for that reason, so there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Stop being heterophobic 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 honestly these types of talks make me very uncomfortable These talks of sex is very inappropriate for younger users and people like me who lurk the thread and see this type of disturbing post accidently because there's no trigger warning ... I see a lot of penis jokes here as well and I feel this thread would be suited to the 18+ section. You say you lurk, fine, OK. How haven't you noticed that the thread does not -- cannot -- shy away from the truth of being gay/bi/pan, apart from all the fluff and shipping? It's always been that way. If you cannot handle that truth, maybe you simply shouldn't lurk. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) What do you guys think of Taemin (SHINee)? I was playing the move video yesterday and my mum asked is he gay? I asked why she thought that, she said his mannerisms and movements. I personally believe he’s bisexual like myself (just a feeling not evidence based). Ah, Taemin, forever the inscrutable one. I actually went full circle with him -- started with no opinion because he was unreadable; when I formed one, I thought he was straight. Then I thought he might be bi, after that I became convinced he was gay, and finally I went back to no opinion. It's obvious, though, that whatever misgivings he had about his masculinity are gone. Move was amazing to watch. Edited December 27, 2018 by h0neanias 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 This whole thing reminds of the shitstorm surrounding spongebob back in the day. No matter how much you hate something, I cannot comprehend how freaking out so hysterically over such simple innocuous things doesn't give fully grown adults pause for even just a moment to step back and reevaluate what it is that they're doing with their short time on this planet It's also amazing how seriously they can take themselves while behaving in a manner straight out of a comedy routine. They somehow fail to see how goddamn ridiculous and hilarious they look when gravely treating a kpop group or a cartoon about a sponge like an oncoming swarm of demons descending upon the earth But it's about TEH HOMOSEXEULS!!1! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Truely lmao, they think they are being smooth and that homosexuality don't exist, i hope korea realise that kissing another dude or doing sexual skinship with him is considered as straight only in their country I hope they don't. Seriously tho, if only they could skip the gay panic stage, that would be nice, thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) I am really struggling at the moment. A trans actress, Alexis Arquette (when claiming Will and Jada were gay) said, "Outing is healthy. You are either with or against us. You decide. Today." I don't know or care about the Will/Jada thing, but I know I just get more and more desperate as the days go by, the more comments I hear from real human beings in the world that are so severely uneducated about sexuality/gender and absolutely convinced that no one they concern themselves with could be lgbt. No, I don't think outing someone against their will is a good thing, but pride is the only way forward. If women were able to hide being women, would feminism be years behind where it is now? If people of colour could turn their skin white in the company of white people, what would the state of their movement be? The battle not being fought because you can get away with looking like your opponents isn't a good thing. Who else is in a better position to take pride in their identity than a talented billionaire celebrity? "It would ruin their career" no it wouldn't. You don't go from being international billionaires to nothing over being gay. They could incorporate this development into their art in a way that's powerful and beautiful. They could be beacons of hope for the lgbt people who can't come out because they are in actual legitimate danger. They could make history. Only everything keeps trucking along, the same as always. I know it's scary, I know you risk having even your own family members unable to look at you the same way ever again. And, in their case, the empire might crumble just a little round the edges when the worst fangirls' faux conditional love turns to hate. But it's scary for everyone. The privilege and opportunity of their situation affords them something so rare and so important. I don't know. I'm just messed up over the world right now Will and Jada? For real? LOL. So they've got a lavender marriage? With two lavender kids? I find that hard to believe in this time and their country. We aren't in the 50s. But even if I'm wrong, whatever -- outing is a no-go for me, unless someone is actively working against our community. Conservative lawmakers? Out their sorry malicious asses. Other than that, we insist all the time that coming out is our own decision, an expression of our strength and trust in the future and our fellow human beings -- and then we'd turn around and steal that moment from someone, rob them of the choice to live their life as they see fit? That brings me to my final point: with us or against us? What kind of self-defeating nonsense is this black-and-white thinking? Why should anyone be with us, then? (That is by no means obvious. Watch them leave us just for spite.) And even for those who are and would be: how is devouring our own the best way forward? If we truly are locked in a fight, don't we need our every soldier? Edited December 29, 2018 by h0neanias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I know this moment has been posted already, but here it is in gif form: (X) I'm not posting this for shipping reasons *at all*, but like, how many straight guys would turn around like that to dance with their also straight bro? 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 You know, I understand that most of the people blowing this video up are just doing so because "skinship" and shipping, but am I the only one whose kinda worried for them? I get that most Koreans and certainly kmedia will use any and every excuse to justify why something isn't gay, but this is......pretty explicit. I just really hope, for their sake, that this stays contained on Twitter and other SNS sites. Kpop fans are pretty oblivious and think pretty much everything is just fanservice and dont think anything serious of this, but I don't think the general public has that same attitude. If it blows up even bigger I feel like we may be about to witness the first time a company has to actively acknowledge something like this to do damage control. I'm honestly not at all afraid. If I've learned anything in those, what, 7 years I've been at this, it's that there is nothing to see here for Koreans. They were in public, acknowledged they were in public, and what they did was innocent enough... or at least explainable. They'd have to get filmed 69'ing each other's dick, and the official story would still be they slipped and accidentally got interlocked. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 What do you think will happen if ALL LGBT idols come out of the closet together? Gaypocalypse. Korea would sink under the sea with an explosion of glitter and rainbows. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) Everyone on twitter is talking about how one of the four couples is an lgbt relationship and that dispatch is preparing to release them all... but you guys dont think they actually will do you? It's awful enough for a relationship to revealed and your privacy to be invaded but being outed is on a whole other level. I'm a bit worried - no one deserves that.. they previously said that they would not be outing anyone under any circumstances, has that changed? Nah, they'll just sell the secret back to the agency as usual. I don't even think a gay secret is that expensive, since they can't do much with it -- outing someone would seriously backfire. Edit: If the dispatch contacting management is true, then dispatch is horrible, what they're doing is literally blackmailing companies for money at the expense of someone's livelihood. I wonder if it's legal to do that in Korea. I'm hoping for the day that dating isn't considered a career ending scandal in Korea. I just can't wrap my head around how dating is such a taboo, regardless if fans get butthurt and delusional about it. It's annoying honestly. Yeah, it's morally suspect, but it seems to be a fair game in Korea -- you dig out the secret, it's yours. Contacting the agency is actually an act of courtesy. Edited January 1, 2019 by h0neanias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) I made a post here of all the BTS members. It bears repeating that I'm not saying every single one of those points proves that Taehyung is gay, this is literally just what has been said about him in this thread. I'm aware some of these points are irrelevant, but hey if that's what convinces you that Taehyung is gay then more power to you lol I also haven't updated the post in a while, so for Taehyung we can add: Him being all flirty with Jimin at year-end award shows Looked at a LGBT Pride flag at a concert and smiled Looked visibly annoyed talking about this, and made the decision not to release the song (presumably because he never wanted it to be heterosexual in the first place) Click here to view the Tweet This Click here to view the Tweet Damn. What's the word for being angry and sad at the same time? Either it had been and extremely long day or he was seriously... smad. And while it is beautiful seeing Tae inspired, I hope he stays at the level of working out with steel in the sun, not, like, inciting a coup and getting decapitated in a government building. >_> Edited January 1, 2019 by h0neanias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I haven't watched that many Asian BL dramas, but I can only think of like 2 I actually liked. One was HIStory 2: Crossing the Line (the Chinese one about volleyball). I'm not sure I watched every episode, but from what I can remember, the two mains were nice to each other and actually had chemistry, and it had a happy ending. The other was the Korean show The Lover. Idk if that even counts, because only one of the main couples was gay, but it was actually a quality show overall and very lighthearted. And like, Yuri on Ice as far as anime goes. Most of the other shows I've seen with M/M or F/F couples have either been problematic as fuck or just too cringey to watch. Sigh. One of my proudest achievements in life was that I managed to watch the entirety of Gravitation. My therapist thinks that, too. It helped pay his mortgage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) I don't really understand the nuance between "not limited to" and "not just with", but as a gay Japanese I instantly understood his meaning to be bisexual. I believe the only reason which is why people ignore that is because of heteronormativity. Just to be sure -- could what he said also mean something like "not just for matters of opposite sex", i.e. not just for sexual matters? Because this seems a common euphemism in Korea, with the usual "to see someone as a man/woman". Edited January 4, 2019 by h0neanias 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) This quote is often mistranslated or at least misinterpreted. The key expression "異性ã«é™ã‚‰ãš" does mean "not limited to the opposite sex", but in Japanese (and many other languages), "opposite sex" is very common (and heteronormative) way of referring to the sex that someone (assumed heterosexual) is romantically or sexually attracted to. My interpretation of that expression in this context is "not just people for whom there exists a sexual/romantic interest". That was precisely my suspicion, that the heteronormative bias is so ingrained in the very language as to be rendered invisible. This sort of euphemization was quite common in English as well -- and many other European languages, too. It makes sense to ask to what extent the LGBT idols play around the constraints because the invisibility protects them, but we will never *know*. Part of what makes this all so interesting. Edited January 4, 2019 by h0neanias 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) A bit late, but relevant still... Edited January 4, 2019 by h0neanias 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Absolutely not. The -sexuality part in homosexuality comes from the latin word sexus, which refers to the biological sex, while homo means same. As such, homosexuality refers to the exclusive attraction towards the same sex, which can be both romantic and sexual in nature. If asexual people need new vocabulary to describe their lived experiences that's perfectly fine, but we shouldn't change the meaning of the word "homosexuality" when gay people have already fought for so long for their attraction to be recognized as not just a sexual thing. Going back to the previous topic though, could someone post some receipts on Mingyu? A lot of people here don't see him as straight so I'm interested. I've never really registered anything myself, always found Seungkwan and Joshua to be more suspicious, but SVT makes me feel completely clueless overall. It would be more accurate, I believe, to say that asexual people have a relatively narrower view of what "sexual" means. You love your partner, feel and share their emotions, help them with their burdens, sacrifice for each other... all of it, it seems to us, stems from the basic sexual instinct. So, if an ace has all that *without* the sexual part, what does it say? Perhaps the sexual part is still there, just "hidden from view", even to the person themselves. Sublimated, as it were. (That's assuming a lot, however.) Maybe it is us "sexuals" who fuse together two areas that aren't essentially the same. Or perhaps this is different for sexuals and asexuals, just the forms appear the same. How would we know, though? How would we go about finding out? No proof is possible, you know. Edited January 5, 2019 by h0neanias 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 This is j-pop related but since we don't have our own thread, here goes There used to be one, it died. So if anyone here has the scoop on J-idols, I say here with it. Someone help me to finally decode Uepi, please. T_T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 What makes you suspicious of him? My pleasebegaydar. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Though it wouldn't surprise me if Taeyong for example liked him for other reasons too but who knows. I'll see myself out. Edited January 23, 2019 by h0neanias 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, moth said: how we feeling about this one http://kpopkfans.blogspot.com/2019/10/nct-taeyong-insulted-gay-student-in.html Ask me again when someone posts photos of the whole album proving that it's him. Because I could have drawn that snippet in my sketchbook and sent it to Pann and y'all would never know. Edited October 6, 2019 by h0neanias 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I know I'm late to the party, but... if we were to judge people based on how they were at 13, we'd have to write off about 90 % of the population -- *particularly* as far as dumbass homophobia goes. Hell, we'd have to write off a good bunch of gay people, too. Is that an excuse? No. But I am far more interested in how he is today. I'll judge him for real when someone digs out some juicy shit he did six months ago. 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0neanias 13,516 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 11/1/2020 at 8:23 PM, Chika Chika said: This is very helpful it worked. If you want an exact method, go to google and put this in the search bar: Name site:https://onehallyu.com/topic/64-which-male-idols-do-you-think-are-gay Yields all the mentions of Name made in here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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