Which male idols do you think are gay?

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I find the subject of homosexuality in Kpop pretty interesting because they do so much fanservice (not even early One Direction could keep up with that) while gay people are not easily accepted by society at all so I've been reading this thread.

 

I have to ask, don't you think that an idol who was really gay would be all the more careful not to appear as such? Because a lot of the "evidence" that's discussed here is just regular fanservice or young boys being affectionate and ramping it up a bit cause there's cameras everywhere and most of them are probably genuinely close friends. Wouldn't an idol who was gay be less likely to engage in that behaviour, espcially if they had no intention of coming out of the closet for the duration of their career and before they had to enter military service (where they could actually be prosecuted if that came out)? Not to mention if the other band members knew about one of them being gay I think they'd be more averse to doing skinship etc. They might not be homophobic but with how much of a taboo homosexuality still is in SK, I'd think they wouldn't be like "awesome, let's cuddle and joke about how you're my boyfriend". Of course it'd be great if they were, but I don't think that's very realistic.

 

I'm sorry btw if I misunderstand the nature of the thread and it's more about just showing cute moments between "ships" (which is fine and they're cute so more power to that) I just want to know if people are actually thinking they're gay or if they're just enjoying the boys' cute interactions.

To the last question, both. People sometimes confuse the two, but that's another matter. To the first question, they might, and some idols on my personal list tend to hold back. Then again, look at Heechul and his boldness. Look at how Jaejoong treats the topic of his marriage. Look at Jo Kwon's very existence. Every queer idol has their own way of dealing with the closet. Fanservice, when done right, offers a confusion cloak. Edited June 4, 2017 by h0neanias

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Dunno if this has been posted before but OMG!!

 

 

 

 

And this, boys and girls, is why so many queer idols can hide in plain sight. God bless the fans and their capacity for denial.

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I just finally caught up with this thread! I've read a couple of people mention some pushback on people suspecting Joshua and Jeonghan (individually, not as a ship). The general line of reasoning seems to be that both are suspected because of their appearance and demeanor (correct me if I'm wrong) which is a valid concern. My previous understanding, however, was that the two are largely suspected because of their seeming lack of interest in females, their body language around males and -- for Jeonghan at least -- what appears to be something of a desire for male attention.

 

 

I've also seen some say what I understood as essentially Joshua (and NCT's Jaehyun) can't be gay or at least that it's less likely because of their religious background (again, correct me if I'm wrong), which doesn't seem very logical to me because homosexuality is not a choice and because of my own upbringing in an ultraconservative, hyper-religious community and family, complete with very stereotypically "masculine" expectations for males.

 

 

If I may ask and look at the situation from another perspective, what specifically makes those of you who suspect that Jeonghan and Joshua are straight suspect that they are straight?

I don't know about Jeonghan, I think many indeed suspect him because of his appearance and fanservice, but Joshua's entire being is full of rainbows and sugar.

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Can someone explain why people think that Taemin is gay? I know that his past feminine image made a lot of people suspect him, but other than that what else has he said/done that makes people so sure that he's not straight?

 

I have no idea.

 

 

Tag yourself, I'm Jonghyun.

Edited June 17, 2017 by h0neanias

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It’s I don’t really care about his sexual preferences whatever it is. Human life isn’t always revolving around sex. Yes, there’s more than one reason to call someone in the lonely night and to love someone and to depend on someone. Not only ‘oppa is gay’. He might not be straight, but that call does not prove nor deny anything. Except him being is an idiot of course.

If only it were about sex, it wouldn't be half as sad.

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yall , this is not exactly related but i need some opinions on this

 

 

So men are much more likely to be either gay or straight: “The prevailing scientific view is that bisexuality in males doesn’t physiologically exist.â€

http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/sophie-wilkinson-asks-are-lesbians-invisible-because-they-are-women

 

 

Old information is old, no matter how prevalent. Newer studies have found ample evidence that male bisexuality does indeed exist -- to great relief of all male bisexuals everywhere, I am sure. There may be fewer of them than female ones perhaps, but they are no rarity.

 

The problem here is self-reporting and identity. It is simply easier for a bi guy to either keep the straight facade even to himself (an occasional fling notwithstanding) or to "go to the other side" and call himself gay. There may be a difference between male and female sexuality, but there sure as hell is a difference between how the sexualities are presented.

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Why are people being dumb about asexuality again? It nay matters whether it belongs in the LGBT group or not, that logically depends on what standards you choose to have. Are asexuals as opressed as LGBT people proper? No. Does it matter? Why?

 

Second, if we can discuss who is straight, we can sure as hell discuss who's ace. If some people have a problem with it, they are once again being illogical. It has nothing to do with the topic and everything with that weird hangup some people have about asexuality. Methinks some of you are jealous.

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New AI can guess whether you're gay or straight from a photograph

Artificial intelligence can accurately guess whether people are gay or straight based on photos of their faces, according to new research suggesting that machines can have significantly better “gaydar†than humans.

 

The study from Stanford University – which found that a computer algorithm could correctly distinguish between gay and straight men 81% of the time, and 74% for women – has raised questions about the biological origins of sexual orientation, the ethics of facial-detection technology and the potential for this kind of software to violate people’s privacy or be abused for anti-LGBT purposes.

The research found that gay men and women tended to have “gender-atypical†features, expressions and “grooming stylesâ€, essentially meaning gay men appeared more feminine and vice versa. The data also identified certain trends, including that gay men had narrower jaws, longer noses and larger foreheads than straight men, and that gay women had larger jaws and smaller foreheads compared to straight women.

Human judges performed much worse than the algorithm, accurately identifying orientation only 61% of the time for men and 54% for women. When the software reviewed five images per person, it was even more successful – 91% of the time with men and 83% with women. Broadly, that means “faces contain much more information about sexual orientation than can be perceived and interpreted by the human brainâ€, the authors wrote.

 

Welp. So much for the "you can never know unless they tell you" crowd. Now, of course it doesn't mean that whoever has "gender atypical features" is gay; we've been through that. The study also ignored bisexuality. But do look at the numbers. Second, thank god if your country managed to evolve morally before a technology like this appeared.

Edited September 8, 2017 by h0neanias

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First time posting in this thread. I'm actually a few pages back still but saw this and I thought I should post it

I definitely want Jonghyun to be my "close friend". We could be "confirmed bachelors" together. I'd love to have a "flatmate" like that. What a wonderful "bromance" that would be.

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I was searching for a certain picture of Taemin and accidentally found this pic of him with SHINee's manager (or with Minho/Jonghyun, I really can't tell from the picture and different receipts of who it is sharing a hug with Taemin exist on the internet, but it would make sense if it was Minho, since it was taken by a Minho fansite)

 

 

 

That's indeed Tae and his manager, but it's not what it looks like. Someone dug out the vid and the manager was just bringing Tae's jacket from the room and got photographed when he was passing it to him. Nothing to see here. This photo is a great example of why I always tell people to be careful with pictures. 

 

And the entirety of koreanbeef can go die slowly in a fire.

Edited October 25, 2017 by h0neanias

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Just another nice quote from Taemin  :

 

He's come a long way and I love it.

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The thing that bugs me about Taemin and Kai is the brazenness it's being handled with by all the people involved. I lean towards platonic, because if people felt they might actually hit the mark, they wouldn't be so eager to shoot.

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Minho is obviously a supporter.  He's been Key's close friend for a long time plus being in Shinee, he would have to be a supporter

 

He better be, cause in SHINee, straight people are the minority.  

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I'm like 90% sure Leo is gay

the vibes are soooo strong

 

Do not hesitate to post some examples.  

 

 

Doesn't Kai get paired a lot with Sehun, also? We even had the wicked witch of the west come in here and make a "sort of but not really homo" post about them once.

 

Thanks, now I miss her. She was fun... in a sad, twisted way.

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Is it just me, or are visuals usually speculated or maybe have more receipts when it comes to being part of the LGBT than other members?

 

It's not always the case but the frequency is definitely there.

 

Hmmm... depends on how you define the visual. Key, Jonghyun, Yunho, Sungjong, Woohyun, N, Tao, and many other almost-certains are not considered to be ones.

Edited November 11, 2017 by h0neanias

[h0neanias]

Thank . Is China worst than Korea about lgtb? Because I feel like Korea just ignore in general homosexuality, but China is openly homophobic? Also Kris didn't pinged me, he is a mistery but I remember a video from Exoshowtime when they sing SNSD song, and kris should sing Gigi. And just after said" listen boy" he said "O my girls.." Like he wasn't confortable to sing it. Unlike Xiumin.

 

China has more state homophobia right now, because homosexuality in general is more of a topic in Chinese culture, since the time immemorial actually. Korea is more conservative, family-oriented in general, the topic is often met with uncomfortable silence still. The problem in China is the Party: even if people may be a bit more open and tolerant, particularly in cities like Shanghai, the oficial party line has great power. Korea is a democracy, it has greater potential for reinventing itself and the change can be rapid, but people are still quite ignorant -- and political change in this regard is held back by powerful Christianist groups.

Edited November 26, 2017 by h0neanias

[h0neanias]

None lol

 

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he's a gamer who never texts and didn't change his shirt once while they were in Hawaii 

 

Yeah, well, the same could be said about me. 

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80% don't mind their peers to be gay but 40% said that they had used abusive words to insult sexual minorities...

 

Hm. Are they saying "I don't mind but I'm still a bit ignorant" or "let them be gay, I need someone to insult"?

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Oh really now?

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Fuck this world that tortures its best children to death.

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Come on now, of course it won't be ever disclosed, if only because outing him after his death would be seen as extremely distasteful. We know, and that will have to be enough.

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Unless he had a "good friend" like this, we probably won't.

 

"A while ago, I had to let a loving friend go to the Heavens. I remember telling Y, 'Stop being gay. Hasn't it been enough?' but it wasn't easy stopping him." 

 

What in the fiery depths of shitting hell is this fuckery?

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I remember now why I never posted in this thread before. Wow.

 

That’s what you chose to focus on? I’m sorry, English isn’t my first language and I may have worded myself badly. I’m also very tired and upset by all of this, so my brain isn’t tip top.

 

When you get that word thrown against you over and over to devalue what you are, you do get sensitive about t. The sad thing is that it expresses the majority view in Korea exactly, so the word is sadly fitting.

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That letter broke me. This is not happening.