Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Yeah because boys never fool around and dress like women because it's funny to them. Come on now. 

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6 hours ago, Monti said:

Btw Ive seen some posts saying someone may be gay because he does a lot of skinship, but some gays are kinda scared to touch other guys too much or too act too gay because they dont want others to find out, I dont know if that makes sense? lol 

And this is why you really can't deem anyone '' suspicious '' for skinship. Not only is there a cultural difference, and the fanservice angle, but like hello, some gay men really shy away from any physical contact with other men, and not in a cute '' omg blush blush he touched me let me run away uwu '' way but in a '' if he starts touching me people are going to see me getting embarrassed , and they are going to start suspect I'm gay '' way.

There are gays who are naturally flirtatious and enjoy skinship with men, gay or not, and then there are those who really don't like it, and sometimes it has nothing to do with being gay either, it's just who they are, they don't want to be touched.

Thus the whole discussion regarding skinship is just completely irrelevant in 99% of cases. 

Edited November 30, 2020 by witchcocktor

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11 minutes ago, blossoms said:

speaking of which, are there any idols that you would love to see in a similar role? I want to see Moonbin (Astro) in a proper BL! I think he'd do so well

I don't know which idols have any talent in acting or even desire a career in acting, but I would like gay leads to be performed by actors and/or idols who have some edge in their appearance. It gets a bit bothersome seeing the same type of gay lead, very clean, polished and regular looking guy in his 20s with not much personality in terms of appearance,  being used again and again. There should be more room for gays who look like Hyunjin, Ren (NU'EST) and Yeonjun and gays who look like Siwon, Baekho and Wonho. 

It's just not relatable to me, but I guess that's the entire acting industry.

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Are we really labeling people AWAY from their biological sex because they don't perform the expected, traditional gender role assumed for that sex? How is that not the most regressive and offensive thing ever? 

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Me and the other heathens looking at this discussion unfold for the last 5 pages or so 

Are you guys not tired of going round and round and round?

I have faith in some kpop idols coming out this century, but BTS dudes are going to stay in the closet forever or until BTS is just a legacy act that doesn't generate that much money anymore. Though if any of them would come out during the peak of their fame, honestly would be a page in gay history, no kidding. And that is both wonderful and sad.

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These are real, living, ADULT men and you are talking about '' who is being babied '' like wtf. This has nothing to do with who is gay and who is not, and is frankly, really weird and infantilizing.

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Trans politics in USA is irrelevant to the topic, but I mean if this thread is literally anything goes for ya'll then here's a video of two dudes making cute arts and crafts frames of JO1 members.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by witchcocktor

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The new season of Produce Japan's trainees were revealed. 

 

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1 hour ago, Exo-l since 2015 said:

I was looking at a video of jaejoong on a variety show talking about how he wants kids. What do you guys think he’ll do will he conform and find a wife and have kids or will accept not having kids?

90% of the gays in this industry will get a wife and start a family. The other 9% will be confirmed bachelors with dating rumors here and there, and the 1% might, MIGHT actually come out.

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51 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Jun choose this song specifically and i think its utterly amazing considering topic of the song, song is called Crow if you are curious!!

it was couple's first song too ;-;

That's nice, especially since they are asian. Often times idols praise western LGB artists and media, and their LGBT support is often for the western audience, so this is a really nice gesture.

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13 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

You know, it seems my wonho post is very controversial here. Why is that? I mean we have posted in the past half clothed idols before, why is this picture so different? 

And as much as I respect everyone's opinion on over sexualised idols and how sexist is can all be. Which of course is a real issue, I just don't think wonho sees himself that way and equates his muscles with how he values himself. 

Don't sweat it. People here don't really understand homosexual men and the culture surrounding us. 

While I don't necessarily think Wonho's pictures were alluding to anything regarding his sexuality, it was as big of a clue or a hint than most of the other stuff posted here. But I do think there's definitely a certain way most straight men pose when they are into fitness and bodybuilding as opposed to gay men. I follow tons of bodybuilders, gay and straight, on instagram and there's a very clear difference. Wonho's pictures being the type of pictures gay bodybuilders would post. 

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9 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Yeah I noticed sometimes there is a disconnect on how gay men really in live as to how this forum sees us.

Straight guys usually have these typical arms and shoulders focus and not so much sultry in it.

Generally when straight guys show off their thighs they do the '' roll up your gym shorts as much as possible and flex ur thighs '' thing. And ass shots are just n/a unless they are doing some bodybuilding pose where the ass looks flat af lmao. For gay dudes it's SHOW ASS SHOW THIGH SHOW TIT. There's definitely a different perspective to fitness and bodybuilding, obviously there are cases where sexuality isn't indicative of how bodybuilders show off their progress but there's still patterns I've noticed following many muscular men.

I'd say the Wonho pictures are pretty gay.

Edited February 9, 2021 by witchcocktor

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7 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Aah yeah the rolled up shorts, they really should just buy the proper ones that shows off their body. 

Also, don't know about you but I like the gay body builders Instagram's more. There is more life to it and not the standard gym pictures. 

If I want to look at some great butts and pecs, gay bodybuilders are the way to go. But I think straight bodybuilders are often more '' handsome '' just because there's a wider selection of different kind of guys in terms of style and appearance. Gay men kind of box themselves in the same short hair facial hair combo, especially when it comes to asian men.

I think Wonho's contrasting style + body is very appealing, even if I don't generally like the k-idol style which is very same-y and too artificial with the makeup and the surgery.

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18 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

You should check out Roddy Hanson. It may bright up your day or few minutes

He looks like budget Brock O'Hurn lmao.

This wrestler has been my dream man since the early 2010s oof

https://www.instagram.com/hiroshi_tanahashi/

But yes, if rainbow shoelaces can be considered '' suspicious '', then I hereby announce that pictures posted by male idols showcasing their muscular thighs and ass can be '' suspicious '' as well. It's all pretty nonsense anyway though.

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I fucking hope everyone using the word '' fruity '' is a real gay man. Some of ya'll get real comfortable using words that are often derogatory, like you aren't far off from calling people sissies and f-words. Geez.

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3 hours ago, BYULTENHWALL said:

fruity isnt a slur 

Fruitcake is pretty much a slur, as is fruit. Why use fruity when flamboyant is right there, and doesn't carry the same vitriol and negative background??? Digging up old homophobic insults and making them into adjectives, I do NOT understand it at all.

Edited February 19, 2021 by witchcocktor

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Do whatever you want, but I'm judging heavily from the sidelines. That doesn't mean anything obviously, I'm just a random loser on the internet, but I'm personally tired of people thinking it's empowering to reclaim slurs, especially if those slurs historically have never been affiliated with your identity. You have no business doing that if that's the case. In general it's weird how people take language and words very seriously when it comes to discussion about race, gender and neurodiversity, but when it comes to policing words and slurs used against gays and lesbians primarily, it's a free buffet, nothing is offensive, everything is actually empowering and you can use words however you see fit.

But whatever, here's something both upsetting and uplifting. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Yeah I saw this one the news, but it was kinda predictable they would censor it. Korea isn't there yet unfortunately. 

I was personally shocked. Like I know SK is conservative, but by this much that they are deleting scenes from movies? Like this is something China would do (that made the news as well actually https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/world/asia/bohemian-rhapsody-china-censored.html)

Hopefully people are fighting back.

Edited February 19, 2021 by witchcocktor

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24 minutes ago, JisooBear said:

Trust me, I am a big Twice fan, and the Once fandom loses their shit whenever Heechul even vaguely mentions Momo. He has been accused of being a predator and of corrupting her etc. They are literally never publicly seen together. I’m a huge Taeyeon fan too, and one of the reasons she suffered so much was because of the reaction to her and Baekhyun, it left a huge scar for her. Jennie’s IG comments are filled with slut shaming comments. 

If you really believe there are PR relationships in K entertainment then I really don’t know what else to say to you. It just doesn’t happen. I wish idols could be open about relationships but it’s just not the way things work. 

I will leave it there though as I don’t want it clutter the thread with this topic!

I mean you have to keep in mind that the Korean idol industry isn't exactly great for women, so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for PR relationships to be about being favorable for the male idol and the female idol just having to roll with the punches. What a female idol gets out of such an arrangement is generally money.

The whole '' accusing Heechul of being a predator '' is something that mostly, if not only comes from i-fans, and who cares about what i-fans say. I remember when Heechul's relationship was announced, k-netizens were mostly happy for him and were relieved that he isn't gay or anything. Though my memory is pretty shaky. 

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So anyway, homosexuality can be classified as mental illness in China. Also the comments are dogshit lol.

https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/gender-diversity/article/3123549/homosexuality-can-be-called-mental-disorder

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On 4/18/2021 at 1:21 AM, Aryu said:

That sounds like a weak excuse...like what straight guy pretends he's gay and makes a running gag out of it...

Well in terms of entertainment business, I would assume

- An idol would do this to stand out from other idols
- An idol would do this if they were focusing on becoming a TV entertainer/comedian, as being gay is funny and weird (and bad), you can use it as a way to make a character of yourself and keep people semi-invested and entertained by the running gag
- An idol would do this to lower to guard of women they are interested in
- An idol would do this to soften to blow of them not being super masculine, by opting out of the gay rumors when it's time so people can be like '' phew, he has a girlfriend, so he is just a feminine/flamboyant man, not a horrid gay man, he is still a normal person despite his feminine appearance and behavior! ''

And all the '' damage '' that these rumors would do can be undone by just announcing a relationship with a woman. After all, it was all just rumors, it was just a running gag. Straight idols can just opt out from the gay jokes and rumors when they want to. It certainly was a way for Heechul to keep people semi-interested. *shrug* 

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With the amount of different ships being posted in this thread almost daily, you have to recgonize that something is going on, and I can honestly say it's not idols being in same-sex relationships, but just horny shipping from brainrotted fans.

With that said, it's not a completely crazy idea that same-sex attracted idols are dating other same-sex attracted idols. When both have a lot to lose (their livelihood) if they were outed, keeping things private is essential. And if the idols are popular enough, their company would have to also do their best to keep the rumors at bay and protect their image, and that allows a certain degree of freedom. But I don't believe that any potential same sex couple(s) in the idol industry would have any interest in sparking even the smallest amounts of rumors about their relationship, unless of course idol industry has become so '' smart '' that companies encourage such behavior from same sex couples because under the guise of fanservice, small vague gestures of intimacy brings in fans, attention and discussion. But overall that seems like a massive stretch that I do not support.

Edited October 9, 2021 by witchcocktor

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20 hours ago, succcjin said:

I still lurk on this thread, but to be honest considering how behind Korean society is on LGBT+ stuff, I don't think we are going to see idols from popular groups come out any time soon (unless Korea goes through some big societal changes in the next 5-10 years).

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And yeah, this is just a speculation thread here. Lately some people take it way too seriously. Nobody is claiming to know someones sexuality 100% and people interpret the same receipts differently anyways. It's fine to disagree, but no need to take it personally. 

Even as societal changes happen, change will hit the idol industry like, DEAD LAST.

Thankfully a lot of talented, remarkable gay, lesbian and bi people can get an impressive platform and even a career in social media. The luckiest will crossover to more traditional entertainment mediums like TV, as social media becomes a bigger force and a threat to these entertainment mediums. 

The discussion regarding gay rights and societal change in general can seem desperate and hopeless when you are using idol industry as your go-to when it comes to evaluating how far South Korea has come, but thankfully there is life and change happening outside of the idol industry.

Not saying you or anyone specifically doesn't already acknowledge this, but I think it's a good reminder nevertheless.

Edited October 17, 2021 by witchcocktor

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Regarding stereotypes.. It's interesting.

I do recognize the efforts to '' stop calling people gay just because they behave stereotypically gay! '' and sometimes the intentions are good, but as often they do come off as homophobic and wanting to deny the existence of gay people. When it comes to these people, the funny thing is they do not object people who think someone is definitely straight because they are masculine. It's only to object anyone from thinking x is gay because of y, not sexuality in general. 

On the other hand, there's as much effort put into celebrating and embracing stereotypes, and looking down on those who don't fit the stereotypical mold and denying their existence, questioning their identity on whether they truly are '' one of us '' so to speak.

All I can say is that in this thread, very rarely is masculinity conflated with being non-heterosexual. And we all know why.

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19 minutes ago, SingulariV said:

 

As someone who's been following TxT, I think HYBE is pretty serious about its fantasy storylines and it's not just a front for shipping. The BU was not just relatable, it was eerie, dark and had troubling elements that they didn't shy away from. Pretty sure if BTS announced BU right now they'd also be eviscerated. And Wattpad is a self-publishing website, not a fanfic site, wish more people knew that. 

We do think differently. Tae only said, 'ah, fans like that sort of thing' when he say that episode was ranked as his most memorable one. He didn't say that about 'his only reason' I see no reason for him to explain himself, BTS has had cheek kisses and hand kisses e.g. Tae kissing RM's forehead for his birthday. It's barely 'queerbait'. Yes, it was probably shot to entertain fans but I just don't have the emotional energy to think BTS is suffering from exploitation over this. 

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About Call Me By Your Name, the writer and producer, James Ivory (of Merchant-Ivory) is a gay man. Might be a problematic story but it's probably someone' story.

The author of CMBYN novel, released in 2007, is André Aciman, who is married with a wife and children. The screenplay for the film is James Ivory though, can't say how much the story changed in the film but regardless it's not the product of a gay man, even the film.

I don't think any idol who has said they like CMBYN has specifically enjoyed it's '' problematic '' aspects and even then, what is seen as morally corrupt, questionable, offensive and problematic varies from culture to culture. In many asian cultures, age difference isn't often a big deal at all, whether in media or real life. 

I do find it interesting that CMBYN essentially became a '' gay '' product that the general population won't bat an eye if you mention liking it. Wonder how that happened.