Which male idols do you think are gay?

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I'm not letting this thread off the hook  so here's Yoongi showing attraction to the members because that's good content right there:

 

There's much more but you get my point ^^ (it's mostly Hoseok, Jimin and Taehyung).

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5 hours ago, KiriL said:

Wow, that's a good summary of Yoongi's doings throughout the years) Tbh imo ppl disagreeing with smth here is totally ok, cause that's what's the forum is about: a discussion of different points of view. I think I've seen someone disagreeing about some recept of any member tbh. When it's combined like this it's hard to say no tho lol

But I have to say that I wouldn't give much credit to laser removal of facial hair. Cause even in the west different cosmetic procedures are actually quite common among men nowadays, as one make-up artist said "for man it's easier to make a thing done once than to give a lot of time to skin care routine", so what to tell about idol world where they have to shave all the time to look pretty. Plus Yoongi said that he had a lot of hair, mayhaps it was just really tiring for him to shave often. Btw, among BTS at least Hoseok did it recently as well.

Also funny but I remember I found smth sus about Seo Taiji interactions with BTS back then, I couldn't really pinpoint it so I decided to just focus on him being married and moved on lol Thought I was an only one)

For Seo Taiji we all know about Yoongi asking him if he has a studio in his house and if he could invite him.

There's also the fact that Yoongi was always the center or next to Seo Taiji for the entire concert, which is not usual in BTS at all, not even in their covers of Seo Taiji's songs (so I just wondered if Seo Taiji didn't specifically ask for him during rehearsal or something, he was often wandering towards Yoongi during rehearsals, but maybe he thought he fits with his style). The thing thad made me kind of wonder is this video (I can't find the subtitled version anymore since Mintae closed), but basically Yoongi says "Oh a camera, it's not ours." and Seo Taiji says "It's my team. Sugaaa, do you taste like sugar?" Then proceeds to pretend licking Yoongi, moans and comments "Not bad." LIKE??? Idk it seemed weird ^^

https://i.imgur.com/qvWAY9L.mp4

 

2 hours ago, Josaline said:

 

I want to highlight and correct a few things. First, Yoongi never said he wrote fanfiction. What he said was that he saw stories written about the two men and admired their creativity. I mean, he didn't actually write but read stories. Secondly, as @KiriL said, it is extremely normal to use laser epilation for cosmetic purposes. My brother also used it on his throat for the some very irritating facial hair and he is not gay. As for the rap lyrics, we're talking about a rapper like who made an incredibly complex song like DDaeng. One word may have dozens of meanings to them. Even Korean speakers sometimes don't understand what they mean. Therefore, I think it is also possible that he just wanted to some word play. But others like his relationship with Zhoumi and Pearl are really interesting.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Josaline said:

See, He doesn't say he wrote the stories, he just says that the creativity in the stories fascinated him. The person who posted this tweet just misunderstood and she just assumed.

He said "I got fascinated by making up stories about them" and not "fascinated with made-up stories about them". I think you're the one misunderstanding. Making is an active verb, it's not an adjective.

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I agree with everyone on those reaction thingies (especially when you notice that someone is dilligently "craning" all of your posts in the span of minutes and you start to wonder if you have unknown beef with someone? yhtgrfed). I feel like the thread is different ever since they were added.

Edited May 23, 2021 by OptimusPremier

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Happy Pride Month !

And as a sweet reminder from 2019, you don't just post yourself jamming to an OST from a year-old gay movie on the first day of Pride month wihtout reason, you go Tae !

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by OptimusPremier

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Ok, since it's fitting with the current subject, I thought it would be fun to add the perpection of 11k fans about BTS's gayness

1) Yoongi (probably 26%)

2) Taehyung (23%)

3) Jimin (16%)

4) Jungkook (11%)

5) Hoseok (10%)

6) Seokjin (seems like 9%)

7) Namjoon (seems like 5%)

(OP is shocked because 11k persons answered the poll in 30 minutes hytgrfed)

Edited June 5, 2021 by OptimusPremier

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1 hour ago, joonsoulie said:

Yeah while I don't wholly disagree with the results these kind of polls end up being a popularity contest, especially since people spam votes for a certain member. Top three I do agree with but maknae line is p much always going to have the most results, and Yoongi makes sense considering he's the only one who has actually alluded to his sexuality. Namjoon is consistently considered the 'straightest' member because he's the most traditionally masculine. Which is interesting to me, considering he's the most likely to actually have a boyfriend. But he doesn't fit most fans' perception of a gay man, and bisexuality is forgotten, so his receipts get ignored.

Well, final results are here and I think you're right, it became a popularity contest. At least the entire fandom agrees on Yoongi at least (he stayed first, so his many receipts won over the popularity contest). For Namjoon I'm still uncertain. He was almost innocently open about his support during debut days. The way he promoted Macklemore and Ryan Lewis's song, the entire public convo with Bang PD made me kind of feel like it wasn't a personal/slippery subject for him ? (some people might interpret it differently and it could also be a later discovery, he became more politically careful with fame, so it's hard to determine)

 

Also someone said Jungkook might be asexual, and I kind of see it but like I said before, I'm kind of leaning towards demisexual (are only physically/sexually attracted if there's love first no matter the gender for those who don't know, the name means halfway between asexual and sexual).

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Long time no see !

I didn't post lately because it seems like this thread is going in circles between Jimin and Taehyung's sexualities (fueled by Taekook/Jikook shippers that diminished actual good points about Jimin on a side and Taehyung on the other), NCT ships (I've kinda passed the discussions because it seems like they're turning in circles with a few shippers messing up the debates BTS-style and I get why people who don't follow BTS get annoyed the same way I do with NCT lately) and a sample of interesting posts.

Personally I think that policing agaisnt shippers silences people with relevant but shippy points in the process.

Case in point : that SF9 interesting but shippy moment that was cut off by "so why isn't taekook up to debate?" And the entire discussion swayed away from the actually worth-wondering moment to conduct a recycled debate about shippers (which is this thread's curse at this point).

Maybe we should just accept that these trendy ships will pop up and it's up to us to ignore them ? The main characteristics of these shippers is that you won't convince them otherwise, any counter argument they'll turn into conspiracy theory.

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I kind of know a bit of SF9 and both Zuho and Jaeyoon had my attention at some points. Aren't they best friends ?

Also I don't remember which user said that but I'm exactly on the same page about BTS as this person these days : I think that Yoongi, Jimin and Taehyung are likely not straight and I do wonder a lot about Namjoon lately. Someone's up to discuss him ?

I don't know, it just feels possible that he is in a relationship with that older guy he keeps hanging with since idk, 2017 or 2018 ? Also his relationship with Jimin has a different flavor, that may or may not be related to their sexualities (like supportive and flirting lgbt friends maybe ? Idk tbh and it's funny that fans fight about variations of maknae line ships when minjoon, taegi and hopekook are the ships that could raise a senseful, interesting debate, well vmin too)

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Just now, chuuerys said:

honestly it was my fault for bringing up taekook  I'm new to this thread so I was just curious on the general stance of their relationship but I didn't know I'd bring in a circus of shippers. my bad!! also I haven't seen nct ship discussion here recently maybe I've just been avoided it by chance

No harm intended, I get it don't worry ^^ it wasn't to point fingers at you, it was just a suggestion for everyone not to fuel the debate any further 

And when I'm talking about what this thread has become, I'm not talking days or even weeks, I'm talking in terms of years (like since around 2019 I'd say)

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4 hours ago, Chicken soup said:

Do y'all remember that guy from Infinite, it was Sungjong I think, that was rumored to be gay? Like apparently some insider came out with some rumors about a male idol being gay (I don't remember if they said who he is or what group he is from or if they just told anonymously but everyone agreed it was abt Sungjong). It's a pretty old rumour and Infinite ain't that active anymore so what are your opinion on Sungjong (and also the rest of Infinite if you have an opinion on them aswell) ? 

I don't know much about Infinity members individually but Sungjong did have gay rumors surrounding him, especially in SK (well among people who follow kpop I assume). He often aknowledged the rumors in a way Heechul would and grain of salt because I'm not that sure, but I think there was an instance when his members kind of outed him (like EXO did to Sehun or Block B to Taeil).

3 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

I, for one, am ALWAYS happy to discuss this

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Part of why I think it's funny that I have a rep for being a Jikooker now is that I think I've said before that I'm actually a tinhatter about Jimin and Namjoon Namjoon has been commenting about how sexy Jimin is "for a guy" since like... 2014 at least and I kind of believe he was part of his queer awakening (assuming he is queer). I don't think they would ever date for the same reasons any other pair wouldn't - they're too smart to risk their careers like that - but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some level of attraction there whether or not they'd act on it. Even if I'm delulu and they're totally platonic (which is likely, and I've certainly been clowned for it before) NJ is way more receptive to physical affection from Jimin than the other members and often initiates it so there is something different about their relationship. I'm also happy to repost that video where it looks like Jimin kisses him on the cheek - and was cut off by BH for once! But as you may have seen by my prior posts I do agree that there's a significant likelihood that the guy NJ is always posting pictures with is more than just a close friend (or his hidden wife's brother, as I've seen some speculate to squash the implication of him being anything other than heterosexual )

I also get frustrated with the almost exclusive discussion of maknae line ships too. Like, I've seen Yoonminners swear up and down that Serendipity is about Yoonmin (blue mold, "I am you, you are me") and Jikookers swear up and down it's about Jikook ("I am you, you are me", dated for JK's birthday) and completely ignore that Namjoon wrote the song for him lol. But of course it's because he was so inspired by the real couple's love

 

I'll respect your choice of hiding the discussion, even though I think it's relevant to this thread and shouldn't be policed just because delulus led this thread to become a "non-shipping" zone. There's a reason why this place is not as active and fun as it used be : people are scared of talking now (except the ones that are actually the reason for the rule to exist, ironically). Rant mode off, sorry it happened on your answer ^^ here is my take :

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Funnily enough I've felt attraction on Jimin's side ^^ Namjoon often initiates skinship with the group but the members seem kind of awkward when it happens (not in a "dislike" way, they just look that they're not used to it/they don't know what to do), except for Jimin who goes all out. I don't feel like they're together either, but I wonder if Jimin hasn't a bit of a crush, or if he wasn't indeed involved in Namjoon's journey about discovering himself (like the new Vmin if you get my train of thought ?). 

About that hyung, I'm just kind of uncertain. Like, why would Namjoon post about his significant other on their official platform ? Isn't it a bit dangerous ? Even if he counts on heteronormativity, armys are known for digging pretty far on people associated with the group. It seems like a bet that's not worth it ?

2 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

sorry for double posting. but this also touches on something that i was thinking about in regards to the sf9 discussion. it seems that when lesser known groups are brought up, any receipts are kinda accepted at large at face value? because less people here stan sf9 they see it and just go “gay! ok moving on,” they wouldn’t know, like you said, that jaeyoon & zuho are besties or of any other moments that would indicate what direction they lean in. 

but when popular groups get brought up .... hoo boy! receipts for popular groups are scrutinized soooo much harder. and it makes sense, because more people know them more people are going to have solid opinions, but it does feel unbalanced sometimes. like i wonder if that hickey video from pages past was of, say, verivery instead of bts, would there still be arguments of “it’s all fanservice!! they’re not gay!!! they are gay but they’re not dating! they’re hiding something!!” lol it just makes me think

it’s not just bts either (and i’m not an army), it’s stray kids, exo, etc. all the top groups. idk that’s my piece. not something that can really be changed, but it is a bit of a shame when you’re interested in those smaller groups and you have to fight tooth and nail to actually hear some opinions over the tea emotes and shipping wars

That's very true and unfortunately it seems like it's indeed because less people are interested or able to provide content...

I like SF9 but I didn't watch much of their off-stage content since a long time, so that's why I can't make a very enlighted guess. I sure remember wondering about Jaeyoon (in the very beginning then a lot less, but I don't remember why), Zuho, Taeyang and Rowoon (I think the popular ships were Taeyang-Hwiyoung? And Rowoon-Chani? but I didn't get anything from Chani and Hwiyoung). 

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Just dropping by because there's honestly a very high chance that this "hyung" is Namjoon's bf?.

I did a quick research and he first appeared when NJ travelled over the world for a month in september 2019. He then sent a coffee truck to NJ in october 2019 with polaroids and hand-made stickers (doodles that he called "Dissertations of Rkive" which is the name of NJ's studio, a sign that they spent time together there) with the message "My best artist who loves art, my close friend who taught me to love myself".

Post-pandemic, when NJ said that he was leisuring "with family", he actually uploaded pics with just that guy (who wore clothes that NJ has been seen with). Now dude followed NJ to LA despite a 10-days-long quarantine upon return, along NJ's family (or he is the "family" that NJ keeps referring to?). Also it's the 1st time NJ has ever shown this guy's face (in the IG video). He also uploaded a pic of the two of them and posted two glasses of wine afterwards, hitting at a date.

About that, I think there's something up with those personal IG accs (it's OT though, so in spoiler for those interested):

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The members have never been so open with the fans, not that much in such a short period (and I would know, I've been around for almost 6 years). Even the company stated that Namjoon, Yoongi, Hoseok and Taehyung decided to stay in the US while Seokjin, Jimin and Jungkook would go back to SK, which is extremely surprising (they're usually VERY cryptic, stating that it was -basically- no concern of the company where the members decided to spend their time off).

Taehyung said he was on "an adventure" and that he would post about it as soon as it's over and he addressed the "accidentally following Jennie on IG" issue himself on Weverse. Now even Hoseok posts a video of him going back to SK, something that they normally do in secret when they're off-schedule. It is unprecedented.

It looks like a new era has started. Maybe because they reached a new level of influence as they got even more popular despite the pandemic and medium scandals. Or because they've been unofficially told that they won't go to the military? Or maybe they just have a renewed interest in their job and fans.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Exo-l since 2015 said:

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What does posting on ig and making an account have to do with possibly (highly unlikely) being exempt from military service?

 

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Well 1) that's one of the reasons they're happy hence they want to share more with fans and 2) I have a gut feeling that they're entering a new era, as in, a new marketing strategy era in the way they present themselves, maybe a bit more openly/honestly because they've become even more influential (being exempted from military is an illustration of that level of influence)

Also they're likely going to be exempted.

The National Defense Ministry wrote 3 different bills befire settling for one to get amended by Parliament (they can't name drop so they have to make conditions that apply to BTS). The Senate rejected it two weeks ago because they don't want it to apply to other k-pop groups (they want conditions that really only, and could ever only, apply to BTS) and they're still afraid of public opinion.

BTS brought 5 billions dollars into the domestic economy in 2020 when the country records a 2 billions dollars loss (so without BTS, a 7 billions dollars loss). They're at the same level as the top 12 companies in SK (Samsung, Hyundai etc) without the massive debts. And that's the result of a study specifically about BTS that the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism itself made this year.

Now the National Defense Ministry is conducting a survey to prove that the population doesn't mind if BTS is exempted (they don't: SK is the only country in the world who kept economically growing during the pandemic, solely because of BTS, and the population knows that).

Like the bill is written and the government wants it amended, I don't see how it won't happen before Jin has to enlist in a year 

Sources (but really a quick google search shows everything, like choose your article/outlet, it's all public info):

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/11/25/national/socialAffairs/BTS-military-service-exemption/20211125175800734.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/16/coronavirus-covid-economic-impact-recession-south-korea-success/

https://www.asiascot.com/news/2021/01/22/the-korean-wave-from-psy-to-bts-the-impact-of-k-pop-on-the-south-korean-economy/

 

 

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When you can afford your own place and anything you want, you just don't need nor have the occasion to share with friends anymore. At most you buy the same thing because you have the same tastes and recommendations, like Namjoon and Yoongi with the FG shirts. And Yoongi was very adamant to say (multiple times) and then prove with pics (multiple times) that they weren't sharing, so for him it's obviously not as meaningless as you think it is to share clothes.

Have you ever seen the Wooga squad with the same clothes? Taehyung and Bogum? The padding squad has the same jacket and the Wooga squad has the same UNICEF bracelet, but that's friendship items (they all have one their own).

My point is that sharing clothes means living together (but that doesn't imply anything romantic by itself). So it's pretty usual for idols who live together with shared and cramped closets, but with an outsider friend, it is not. Especially since those are not like expensive brands that Nj could have given him, it's just random shirt with the same worn-out look.

Even museums talk about "a male producer friend who always comes with him to exhibitions" when they share accounts of Nj's visit.

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18 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Interestingly, Tae tries to give the impression of he was spending time with Hoseok, but the pictures he posted on Instagram are actually from his 2018 trip to Malta, Bon Voyage 2.

I don't get your point? I didn't get the impression that he was hanging out with Hoseok (Tae said he was on adventure with family when HS was already on the plane home). And yeah, those pics are very obviously from Malta, but he's not pretending they're not... ? 

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On 12/9/2021 at 9:09 PM, Josaline said:

Tae and Hoseok came from Hawaii and Tae's pictures include Hoseok's picture. That's why many fans think they're on vacation together. I kept seeing the fans correcting each other about this today. Also, I think it's interesting that Tae shares pictures not from his last vacation, but from his vacations in 2017/2018. 

He posted pics of himself from his last vacation on Weverse/Twitter though? (and if he's planning something more sophisticated, it'll take time) Isn't it because he's trying to make an IG "vibe" that he chose the more artistic pics from Malta for his IG account? Tae said that he was in Hawai, but Hobi wasn't (his sister was in LA and he probably was with her, as she had no other reason than him to be in the US). Some fans just jumped to conclusions because of that Hobi pic, even though it was posted in the same batch as pics that were all obviously from Malta (he already posted them back then). Like he emptied an old folder of Yeontan with recycled pics too, he's just filling up his IG account.

On 12/9/2021 at 9:17 PM, dododododododo said:

Not saying I believe this 100% but if any of the other BTS members you mentioned had this many sus receipts involving a male friend this thread would be in shambles lol  

You know what, let's see how this thread reacts. I'll put the different receipts there and maybe it'll spark a discussion as long and intense as it gets about Jimin smriking at that guy for one second in Malta. 

They travelled through Europe for Nj's one month break late 2019 (he's blurred the whole time but they're seen having meals/sharing accomodations just the two of them, then a third guy joins later on)

The coffee truck:

Then post pandemic lockdown, Namjoon posted these :

Like the shirt is deformed from the mic pulling the collar down (Namjoon was seen with it first).

And now this (the video has already been posted earlier so I'm not putting it again):

So yeah, Idk either but it's interesting that Nj keeps posting about this guy but hides his face until recently.

 

About Taehyung and Bogum, personally I'm not sold (like they just went on a vacation together once? something Tae did and publicized with his other friends too). Like, that thing with Bogum is literally Taekookers' food because "Jungkook looked jealous and protective" jyhtgrfedzs

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sorry double post

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On 12/9/2021 at 11:59 PM, aligning-stars said:

wow, you guys think nj is queer? damn, he always seems so attracted to women though. he's never shown attraction towards men tho

Do people need to have bed eyes, give once-overs, lick or bite their lips to show attraction? Namjoon does none of that with neither boys nor girls, but he does get shy (I'm not saying it's compelling of his sexuality as it is, i'm just countering that counter-argument about people having just one very flirty, open way to show attraction).

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5 minutes ago, Taecoholic said:

Hobi was in Hawaii, though. There was a lot of witness sharing and also his plane was from Honolulu to Korea.

Also, everyone found it awkward that Bogum and BTS members interactions. And people point out JK was acting kind of protective of towards Tae there because that's what happened. You don't need to be a shipper to realize this, but of course, it is a fact that become a good material for shippers lol

Another case of fans juming to conclusions (a saesang released leaked flight infos about the 2 of them apparently going to Hawaii but... it's a saesang). Their airport pics' arrival in SK got released today and they didn't arrive at the same time nor the same gate, so let's just say: does it matter anyway?

 

 

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On 12/10/2021 at 1:32 AM, Taecoholic said:

Of course although both are in the same city, they can spend time with their families in different places and return to Korea at different times. But that doesn't change the fact that they are in the same city. That's why fans are confused. Also, I don't understand why the possibility of Hobi and Tae being in the same places, maybe even vacationing together, bothered you so much? I think the two of them are the two members who enjoy spending time together the most in the group.

Like... I don't care? I don't understand why some people are so adamant about them being together here, on this thread, except if you're trying to say that Hoseok and Taehyung are a thing, maybe? Well, at least it would be a refreshing take on BTS hiding a relationship (alas Hoseok is straight... or he has some strict boundaries with the members that he doesn't want to cross).

 

On 12/10/2021 at 6:18 AM, aligning-stars said:

he just seems awkward or uncomfortable in the vids. 

True ig

Awkward and giggling yeah, that's what being shy looks like... 

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On 12/10/2021 at 8:47 AM, SingulariV said:

They look different to me, but could be a bunch of angles.

 

That's the part of this assertion I find hard to believe. The truth is anyone who's associated with BTS will have a lot of scrutiny - Kfans probably have traced who it is based on details. Whether or not RM appears bi/gay, that will be explained away by 'idol culture'; but it's not in this layperson's benefit to be so visible as a bi/gay man? 

And it's true that heteronormativity prevents boys and girls from posting friendly pictures, but that doesn't increase the intimacy level of these actions either. As a late-twenties person a lot of my friendships look similar. Edit: Coffee truck aside lol

Ofc we're not about to get more definite proof, but I wonder if this crosses the threshold of 'proof' either. Edit: but it's confusing and YMMV about what seems proof of attraction v. platonic, blurring lines between the two etc. 

 

People have different ways of expressing attraction but most of your examples of 'shyness' are aegyo. 

And in your second clip he's looking like a goof because he didn't realise the live was actually on.

Just don't think RM is very shy at all. His style seems to be to straightforwardly lay the lines down like he does with his teammates. 

Edit: I found Bogum Tae sus in 2015-16, not sure where Taekook enters into it. Still think it's promo but something else seemed up too.

Fans never managed to track him down though, they still don't know who he is. Namjoon said himself that even though he wanted to sometimes, he was shy and bad at initiating touching with members, so he's shy to some extent. Even with women. My point was just that attraction doesn't always (even not that often) show through openly sexual interest (or later on in a relationship). 

 

Bogum and Tae weren't sus in 2015/2016: they told everyone how, when, why they became friends in 2015 and each time they met afterwards, we got a nice pic on both of their official accounts. Taekookers popularized it when Tae acted weird around Bogum when he visited for a concert early 2018 and Jungkook acted kind of worried, so shippers said that he was protective/jealous, obviously because Bogum was Tae's ex. But right afterwards they made the Coca-cola ad and Tae and Bogum look natural and good buddies in the behinds.

Bogum and Joongki are much more compelling as a couple and they were the most sus in 2016/2017 (they both met and became famous late 2015), so when Tae and Bogum were close. That's why I think that Tae and Bogum weren't dating: I think that Bogum was (probably still is) with Joongki since around 2016. 

Just a wild theory, but an idea like another for Tae's awkwardness with Bogum: maybe Tae was Bogum's own PR move to stop the rumors between him and Joongki (not that he faked their friendship, just that he used it and Tae's popularity to divert the public's interest away from his relationship with Joongki) and Tae discovered that?

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On 12/10/2021 at 3:57 PM, Baby_Lion said:

The reason why I still think Namjoon is more on the straight side/ if bi strong preference for women is because he literally wrote a verse in a pre-debut song complained how males - females trainees are seperated, how he couldn’t have girlfriend because the debut date was near. Even if we considered his past overtly sexual towards women and quite misogynistic lyrics is Namjoon being influenced by “real hip-hop”, those lyrics is 100% personal experience:

“I can’t stand it anymore because I’m so lonely
It’s the middle of December and my lips are chapped
I haven’t matched up to anybody these days, I should give up
No girlfriend either because our debut is soon
Hah idols are getting married yet
Separating the male and female trainees? How does that make sense
We can’t love so how do we write love song lyrics
If it were up to me, I’d be encouraging dating”

(Song: A typical trainee’s Christmas)

He was 18, give him a rest (for the hip-hop persona too). Can we just agree to not with het arguments from when idols were under 20 (at least)? I mean, as a general rule.

Also for everyone saying Armys are annoying by flooding the thread with nonsense or OT debates, see how it's relatively calm and on-topic now? (well except when I mentioned Tae in passing under spoiler and it gathered more traction than 3 posts about NJ). 

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1 hour ago, .peach. said:

I'm curious about this, what kind of boundaries? (I'm assuming nothing skinship related, since he's been the touchiest since debut)

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Not when he's on the receiving end though:

Those are just exemples, it happens more often than fans like to notice (but it's hard to find a kerword to search for these instances).

That's not shyness nor "gay panic": he's not giggling or trying to hide a blush, he looks/sounds serious and confident, often looks at them. It's him having clear boundaries. He prefers to initiate with the ones that he knows will back away (Yoongi, Jin, Jimin back then). Namjoon, Yoongi and Jin rarely initiate while Jimin knows his boundaries now. Tae has taken some time but he's getting there (and I think he might have lived it as a rejection and that's why Hobi is particularly attentive to make him feel loved nowadays). Jungkook is allowed way more than the others (maybe hs sees him as his little brother) but Hobi can be unresponsive with him too sometimes.

 

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3 minutes ago, SingulariV said:

 

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Not to take the spotlight away from currently gayer RM: I kind of think similarly, I think they were PR-ing but Tae had a bit of a crush and Bogum was going along with it for reasons, maybe this soup with Joongki was one of those. 

As for the 2018 thing, idk I thought the whole team was a little wary / formal, and that could be for a bunch of reasons. Mixing friend groups for one. Never understood spotlight on JK. 

 

Idk this is odd. Some people do know what they like when they're younger. Sure it's possible to have a later-in-life sexuality discovery but 20 is pretty much taking away the agency of teens to speak about themselves and their desires. 

RM might have overdone it but still.

That's why I pointed out "het" arguments: a teenager who knows and owns their non-conforming preferences despite the backlash that it could bring them (especially 10 years ago) doesn't hold the same meaning as a teenager acting conformingly to the society norms (it might or might not be peer/society pressure, desire to blend in, afraid of disappointing family, of losing friends etc).

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4 hours ago, tomek said:

What is it about them by the way? what was the source of the rumours

They gained public traction when they both became popular around 2015 (Joongki joined Bogum's company early 2013, it belongs to actor Cha Taehyung, a friend of Joongki at first, of the 2 of them later on) and they were/became close friends, so their "bromance" got popular (lots of ads and such).

 

They're genuinely close though: in the video below, Joongki teared up when Bogum cried mentioning his dad (the woman with him is his wife Hyekyo btw, even though at this point she's just his co-star from Descendants of the Sun)

They were also often spotted going out together privately (known within the industry/fans for always being together):

 

 

There were rumors of Bogum being gay in Korea already and media picked up on it, questioning their relationship (a quick google search shows it all).

Then in july 2017 Dispatch posted pics of Joongki and Hyekyo (they're co-stars from Descendants from the Sun released in 2016, for context) and they announced their marriage. The wedding took place in october 2017 (a weird date to get married but maybe automn weddings are a regular thing in SK, idk). Bogum was spotted tearing up during the ceremony and apparently stopped smiling as soon as official cameras were away, which sparkled new rumors:

https://www.jazminemedia.com/2017/11/photos-park-bo-gum-shedding-tears-song-joong-kis-wedding-melts-fangirls-hearts/

Joongki and Bogum stopped interacting publicly but kept talking of each other like they were friends in interviews.

In 2018, Bogum filmed a drama with Hyekyo (Joongki's wife) and they said it was awkward as they had never really talked with each other before (officially, Bogum was still Joongki's closest friend, so it was a bit surprising). Bogum renewed his contract with their company around april 2019 and Joongki and Hyekyo announced their divorce in june 2019 (the timing just made me wonder if there wasn't a negociation involving breaking-off the marriage if Bogum renewed? The two of them were the cash-makers of the company, they definitely couldn't afford to lose them, not both at least, and Cha Taehyun is their friend).

A blind item about Hyekyo cheating on Joongki with Bogum saw a profusion of articles ALL called "Bogum involved in Joongki and Hyekyo's divorce" or "Bogum is the reason for their divorce" or "Bogum made them divorce" (idk it felt like a tongue-in-the-cheek way to get them into an ambigous headline because they couldn't outright say that Joongki was "cheating" on Hyekyo with Bogum).

In January 2020 Joongki didn't renew his contract with their company and started his own (but he's still friends with Cha Taehyun, the actor who owns the company, they're from the same squad and stuff). And in august 2020, Bogum left for military, so that's where it's at now.

 

Can you believe I've been researching for one hour? Like, I've learned stuff myself here... yhtgrfedzsdefrgt

Well, I'm not saying they're/they were together (I dare to say after posting a post of that size... no but really, I didn't follow any of them closely enough to make an entirely enlighted guess, there might be things I don't know or missed) but there's definitely material and argument for it.

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1 hour ago, tomek said:

 Reminded me of this really old receipt.

Ooooooh...

The post in spoilers:

Spoiler

 

[–]jongiplane ë°•ë³´ê²€ (Park Bogum) is actually gay. This is all an act, and it's entirely scripted. He currently has a boyfriend too.

[–]heartslikeours really? do you have a source?

[–]jongiplane He bought me a drink at Pulse and we danced together, and his boyfriend (who is also famous, but I won't reveal), came and said hi and they left. This isn't rare - there are a few celebrities and idols who are gay and openly go to gay clubs, but it just isn't talked about (Yoo Ah In is the most famous of them, probably).

Also, the guy who posted this seems pretty legit. Looking at his reddit profile, at least we know he's definitely Korean.

Fans thought it was Tae back then but in may 2016 BTS wasn't famous with Korean GP (barely even their group name), so whoever this guy actually saw (or pretended to see), it likely wasn't Tae. Maybe it was just to fuel the existing rumors about Bogum and Joongki, or maybe that's why there were rumors about them... Honestly it's just compelling.

Also I stumbled on another post while following this link and Joongki and Hyekyo's wedding was right before a respected actor's funeral where Joongki and Bogum went together, as well as a lot of the wedding guests (but not Hyekyo). Like why did they maintain the wedding, it's kind of fucked-up, who would want their big day to be tied to such tragedy... 

I also saw that they announced the wedding during Joongki's promotions for a movie (Bogum attended the premiere, not Hyekyo because "She's not the kind to come to my VIP Premiere so I didn't invite her") and the way he talks about her is not very loving (he learned stuff about his future wife through media, "now she became the person that I love" as if she wasn't before, he gave her special "thanks to" in his movie because she sent a coffee truck and they thanked everyone who sent food) 

https://www.koreadispatch.com/2017/07/19/song-joong-ki-talks-about-his-wife-to-be-song-hye-kyo/

https://www.hancinema.net/song-joong-ki-a-soldier-again--what-is-more-important-108172.html

And Bogum was the 1st one to publicly congratulate them (upon being prompted to)

 https://www.soompi.com/article/1040039wpp/park-bo-gum-congratulates-song-joong-ki-song-hye-kyo-upcoming-marriage

 

On a lighter note, you made me scroll the thread and this was Joongki in 2015 (in red) jujyhtgrfedz

 

Yeah, it's just pretty convincing to me, even though we'll never really know.

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