Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Shaandenigma]

I mean "nega dola" means "I'm going crazy" which fits the conversation. it's probably just a similar phrase that might not be appropriate to say (as in it's crude or a curse word). 

 

I do think Taeyong and Ten were hinting at inappropriate webtoons of some sort lol, but I don't think the "xx" word necessarily had to do with his sexuality. Ten is really something else these days though hahaha I love this boy

Yeah I know what it means and what the song is about, which is why I feel the same way you do, that they were talking to something inappropriate but not really having to do with his sexuality. The whole vlive just reinforced that Ten is not innocent and probably has zero-filter with the rest of the group. It also showed me that he and Taeyong have a much closer PLATONIC relationship than I thought; before it seemed kinda awkward. I really want to see a Ten and Johnny one in English, there could be some real gems there since Ten is about as proficient in English as a native speaker.

[Shaandenigma]

Didn't a P101 Season 2 contestant/employee say that half of p101 trainees are gay or something along those lines?

Somebody said that in here a while back (I think it was more like 40% gay/60% straight), I think they saw it on Reddit? I'd believe it. There were 101 trainees and you could easily name 20 who ping as not straight just from the ones who got actual screentime, throw in another 20 out of the 60 that didn't and that's 40% right there. 

[Shaandenigma]

From that video posted earlier with the gay Korean guy talking about dating girls out of denial of his sexuality, I started watching a bunch of gay Korean YouTubers talking about their experiences and the culture and doing man on the street interviews with average people, and they basically debunk all of those "it's just the culture, stop pushing your Western values on them!!!1!11" comebacks these pressed fangirls and the likes of Edward Avila make. 

[Shaandenigma]

My opinions on NCT don't differ too much from others, but I'm firmly in the "Taeyong is GAY" camp; IMO, when you have to reach back 15 years to the 4th grade to talk about your last crush on a girl, you're really not interested in the opposite sex. Jaehyun screams gay, but most likely to be in a hetero dating scandal and marry a woman to maintain his image and career, despite the flirting he does with men. In addition, on a shallower note, I've randomly seen some of those compilation videos of him speaking English, and he pings off the charts. Mark comes off very conflicted which I think could be for a variety of reasons given his background so he could go either way. 

 

asked this not that long ago but thoughts on the boyz? 

 

edit: chanhee, kevin, jacob, and changmin (?) ping for me

I strongly believe Kevin is gay and is trying to be lowkey about it, but his fervent Beyonce stanning and that Youtube channel give it away (in one Q&A video they were going through their most listened songs and #1 for him was Blow by Beyonce . Speaks for itself). Jacob pings too and was soooo lovestruck when he met Sam Kim. I also side eye Eric because he is really clingy with Juyeon and seems to like male attention. If Chanhee and Changmin are New and Q (don't know which one is which) then I agree with them too. Everyone else doesn't really ping for me but they seem pretty supportive considering they seemed to be trying to set Jacob and Sam up on a date that whole episode.

[Shaandenigma]

Markhyuck summer-fight "receipts" (I mean, I have no idea what went down but the photos are just funny as fuck)

 

You know what would make these pictures (especially the Mark ones) really funny? The hook for Mad City on loop. Just the thought has me dying, lmao. 

[Shaandenigma]

 

Be prouder. 

 

 

 

Can't believe I just did this. Gay Jesus (Gaysus ?) better reserve me box seats in heaven for this work.

 

Here we go:

 

Overview of data:

 

 

 

 

 

Histogram of arithmetic means:

 

 

Medians:

 

 

Modes:

 

 

 

 

Main takeaways: 

- Unimodal distribution for everyone so there seems to be a consensus for every member.

- Mean>Median>Mode for NCT so the distribution is skewed to the right (the straight side). 

- But for the individual members, it was more symmetrical. 

- A plurality of members (8/18) were voted on as straight, but the group is on average sus. 

 

Per member: 

 

Glossary: 

General consensus: 60%+ of the total vote. 

Informed consensus: 60%+ of the non-N/A votes

 

Taeil:

 

 

 

 

About 80% of responses included an opinion on Taeil, and of those, about 90% voted straight, for a total of 71% straight votes. 

General consensus: S to the T to the R to the 8. 

Fun fact: That one gay vote could have been anything else and he would have had the lowest average. 

 

 

 

 

Johnny:

 

 

 

 

 

Almost 90% responded, with 60% total for bi. 

General consensus: NCT's actual bi king. A few straight denialists live on. 

 

 

 

Taeyong:

 

 

 

 

Over 90% of responses, with 60% total for gay. 

General consensus: Tip toe, by the rainbow, by the raiiiiiinbow, throoooough the tulips

Fun fact: The only member to get Ace/Aro answers, which all went to the sus category.

 

 

 

 

Yuta:

 

 

 

 

General consensus: Yuwin shippers found dead in a ditch. "Oppa is here" and alive in the straight team. 

Fun fact: The same person gave Yuta and WW their lone bi vote. 

 

 

 

 

Kun:

 

 

 

 

 

Example of trash data. And proof SM BETTER SEND MY SON TO VARIETY FOR SCIENCE. 

(Un)informed Consensus: Straight by default. 

 

 

 

Doyoung:

 

 

 

 

Over 90% votes, with a 71% total for straight. 

General consensus: Heterosexual, but less tragic than expected. 

Fun fact: Doyoung is the least straight of the confirmed straights. 

 

 

 

Ten:

 

 

 

 

 

For real:

 

 

100% votes. 100% gay. 

General consensus: "How much more gay can it get and the answer is none. None more Ten."

Fun fact: Jo Kwon found shaking in his boots clinging to his top gay of Kpop position. 

 

 

 

 

Jaehyun:

 

 

 

 

Over 90% responded. Plurality of votes went to bi. 

First member without a consensus. The votes were evenly spread out between gay, bi, and straight. 

Not fun fact: It physically pained me to count those straight votes. Hope y'all see his dick-thirsty light. 

 

 

 

Winwin:

 

 

 

 

Less than 60% responded, a majority of which voted straight. 

Informed consensus: Straight. 

Fun fact: Winwin seems to be very a complete mystery to a lot of you. Also, this is quite the reversal from when he was first introduced and the thread had him pretty high in the suspect list. 

 

 

 

 

Posting the rest in a bit.

 

Gurl, you better be turning this in for extra credit and getting an A in that stats class!

 

I didn't have the time to expand on everyone in NCT in my last comment, but I will because there can be no straight consensus for Winwin.

 

Will step up to bat for the same team:

Ten

Jungwoo

Taeyong

Jaehyun

Jaemin

Winwin (boy knows how to use his charms to manipulate a man, he got practice in somewhere)

 

Could but needs more observation:

Johnny

Mark

Haechan

Jeno

Lucas

 

Nah:

Doyoung

Taeil

Yuta

Jisung

 

No opinion because I don't pay attention to them:

Renjun

Chenle

Kun

[Shaandenigma]

saw this going around twitter, I partly agree with this except for the fact jaehyun is in the damn straight line, this is fake news

 

Click here to view the Tweet

Can people stop using bi/pan as a catchall for people they aren't sure about, seem "a little gay," are masculine/not totally flaming, or are probably gay (or straight) but they still want to imagine they have a chance with them? 

Lmao it's just that there is a stan twitter meme of Jaehyun being a white frat boy and people ran away with that. 

HOW?! Have they met white frat boys? Who are these people?

 

I think english is a little poor in words or fans are to accustomed to use only one term with multiple implications. Usually i have a hard time guessing the meaning behind 'date' that someone wants to imply. People dont discuss their idol having drunk s**, one night stands, flings etc and use the term 'date'. The same term is used for official/public relationships... so yeah... most of the time i am confused. Also for someone dating can mean 2 meetings at a cafe or 2 years living together. Hope you can understand what i mean, english is not my first language.

It's confusing for native speakers too. I think the term is intentionally vague so people can downplay or build up whatever the situation is/was based on the context. It also varies by age, where younger people in like middle school and high school would consider a 3 month fling seriously "dating," but someone older would consider it dating in the sense that "we went on a handful of dates but it wasn't serious." Usually people in their 20s+ would just say they have a boyfriend/girlfriend/partner which implies a serious long-term relationship and anything less serious as "this person I was seeing" or "hookup" or "we had a thing." 

[Shaandenigma]

tbh that annoyed me too, some of those members they added in the pan part are members that I either have no opinion on them yet or we haven't got enough material to assume something, I am pretty sure I am not the only one who thinks that, so the fact they were like "let's group them all as pan because that means they have "gay moments" but would still date me LOOLZZZZ" is just wrong and it makes bisexuality and pansexuality look like a group of confused or ambiguous folks, personally I place Johnny and jaehyun in the bi category because I LEGIT feel they're attracted to both girls and guys, same thing in another group would be Jackson from got7, he's a bisexual king because he has given enough proof to think that and not because he's a "lil gay" but he would be down to fuck with me that's just silly.

 

Exactly, especially trying to peg someone as pan, because one needs to clearly articulate that gender identity either doesn't matter or they are attracted to people outside of the gender binary. Like what has Doyoung ever said or done that suggests that? Also using bi/pan as a catchall lowkey reinforces the stereotype of just being DTF with anyone. Like people still have standards as to what they find attractive in another person. 

 

I also want to reinforce that despite all the queerbaiting and fan-service, compulsory heterosexuality is still a thing and is still the privileged position, so at some level an idol will have to convey that to some extent to maintain their career. That's why I think the burden of proof for calling someone bi or pan is higher because you really have to discern if there is a genuine attraction/interest in the opposite sex or not.

[Shaandenigma]

I was thinking of this today and I'm bored so why not. Do y'all think that certain gay members in your fave group(s) are out to all of their fellow members, just a few, or none at all?

 

I constantly go back and forth on Sehun, I feel like he's definitely out to Suho and I think he's probably out to Baekhyun, Chanyeol, and Kyungsoo but idk about the other members. With Suho I think he's definitely out to Sehun but I have a feeling he's not out to the others, especially as Chanyeol joked about him being gay on that one show (which was cut out of the actual show...mess), and I feel like it would be kinda uncharacteristic of Chanyeol to joke about Suho being gay if he knew he actually was. I haven't thought about the other members being out.

 

As for Seventeen and NCT I'll just quickly say that I don't believe any member is out to the entire group, especially NCT. And BTS, idk all 7 of them are probably out to each other lol

I could see it with large groups, especially NCT as they are split up in multiple dorms and seem to pretty regularly rotate roommates, so I don't think they spend that much time all together leading some to be closer than others. Going back to that TaeTen VLive where Ten went on that rant about being labelled "weird" by the other members, the way Taeyong asked who else calls him weird made it seem like he was unaware that others thought Ten was "weird" in the way that he had referred to Ten's tastes as "weird" (if any of that makes sense). So I believe if Ten is out, it's to Johnny and Taeyong, maybe Jungwoo and Lucas, but not the others, just based on their dynamics. I think it is the same in The Boyz where I think Kevin and Jacob would be out to each other and possibly to Eric too because being brought up in major progressive American/Canadian cities, there are more cultural similarities and a resulting closeness that I don't feel is the same with the Korean members.

 

But EXO seems really close and I think if Sehun was going to let half of the group know, the others probably do too. It's a lot harder to keep a secret like that the more people know especially in a tight knit group. And if you have your significantly older boyfriend hanging around, that draws more attention. I could also see it causing tension.

 

I think groups like Shinee and NU'EST definitely know who isn't straight because they are really close, lived together for a long time and have made subtle hints about the suspected members. 

[Shaandenigma]

tbh all nct members are twinks esp ten and tae

This girl aptly titled this video NCTwinks, and that is now what I refer to them as because it is so accurate.

 

 

Guys obviously don't want to completely dismiss the possibility that he's potentially bi, but I'm 99% sure that Lucas from NCT is straight. There's a lot of discussion about him on Hong Kong forums (he lived there before he moved to Korea) and a lot of netizens claim to have personally known him as (for lack of a better term) a straight fuckboy, apparently his personality isn't the best either :/ I mean, we have to take these reports with a certain degree of scepticism (I'm disappointed as well) but netizens did manage to find these pictures that seem to suggest their version of events is true...

 

 

You wanna know who else post shirt-lift mirror selfies? "Straight-acting" dudes on Grindr/Jack'd/Scruff/whatever gay dating app is hot right now. And maybe all these girls hang around him because he's nice. But hey, who am I to go against the authority and wisdom of rando anonymous users on the internet  . 

[Shaandenigma]

Im arguing against the statement that most of the girls in here are just here because they are queer allies.

Girl, either you start dropping receipts and start @ names and posts, or drop this petty BS argument. Stop being passive aggressive and start calling these fetishizers out as Exhibits A-Z so we can once and for all know exactly what behavior is not acceptable. If you aren't going to call anybody specifically out to provide any evidence to support your claim concretely, then what are you doing, what is the objective? I'm tired of people who don't contribute otherwise thread but lurk waiting for some troll or somebody to say or post the wrong thing to stir up some mess for no reason.

 

So again, pull out the receipts or drop it.

[Shaandenigma]

Unrelated but do you guys think gay lisp and gay face are real? I know that some of us look to see if a certain idol acts effeminately and that could factor in to our decision about their sexuality, but I haven't really looked into gay face and gay lisp before. Idek what gay face really is but apparently Sehun has it along with a lisp, and SVT's Joshua has gay face as well.

 

There's this documentary on Netflix called "Do I Sound Gay?" that investigates the gay lisp/voice and why some people have it and some don't. This video is like a shortened version from the New York Times but features the guy who made the documentary and his two friends, one who sounds stereotypically gay but is straight and another who is gay but doesn't have gay voice. 

 

 

The documentary wasn't as bad as I thought it would be and had some interesting points. The main takeaway is that the way we speak and sound, is based on whoever we modeled our speech from when we were learning language, but we take social cues on what types of speech to emulate. In the case of the documentarian, he said that he didn't really "sound gay" until he came out and basically started speaking in a higher-pitch more effeminate manner as a way to signal being gay without announcing it (basically code-switching). It also touched on why "sounding gay" is coded as negative including how male villains are often feminized to indicate their conniving wickedness and speak in a way very similar to gay men (see HIM from Powerpuff Girls, Jafar from Aladdin, Scar in Lion King, etc.).  

 

Anyway, I definitely think gay voice/lisp is a thing. I don't really buy into gay face.

Edited April 8, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

HOLD THE FUCK UP?

 

I'm hearing bird chips about Monsta X Wonho willingly and knowingly acting as a beard for a trans guy before his transition when he was identifying as a lesbian? Can someone confirm because omg this is a brand new level of support and iconicness? 

Search him in the thread, it's definitely been posted about before with evidence. (Sorry at work and can't search it up for you right now).

[Shaandenigma]

discord

 

 

can someone post a new link? i tried to join, but the link was expired~

 

 

Try this:

Edited April 28, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

I don't want to answer if I have to be honest, but well^^ Some users say that I have a record Taekook message here. Let's see,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taekook       21.04.2018

Jungkook     17.04.2018

Namjoon      15.04.2018

Taekook       13.04.2018

Donghae/Eunhae  11.04.2018

j-Hope           09.04.2018

Jikook            06.04.2018

Jihope            04.04.2018

Namjin           01.04.2018

Jimin              16.03.2018

Perahu Kertas by Maudy Ayunda (Indonesia) 13.03.2018

About Jungkook and others  06.03.2018

Jungkook        06.03.2018

Jungkook        03.03.2018

Johnnys Ent.   02.03.2018

J-Hope           17.02.2018

Jin                  16.02.2018

Taekook          16.02.2018

Taekook          13.02.2018

Bogum/Tae       09.02.2018

Lay                   02.02.2018

Jikook              30.01.2018

Tae/Park Hyungsik/Park Jihoon  25.01.2018

Jimin                21.01.2018

Tae/Irene         12.01.2018

Tae/Park Hyungsik/Park Jihoon 12.01.2018

Tae/Park Jihoon    10.01.2018

Tae/others              04.01.2018

Taekook                 02.01.2018

Tae/Stigma             02.01.2018

Tae/Park Jihoon     01.01.2018

Actor                     01.01.2018

Tae/Ansel Elgot      30.12.2017

Yamapi                   29.12.2017

Tae/Stigma             26.12.2017

Tae/Stigma             21.12.2017

Tae/Bogum             11.12.2017

Taekook                 04.12.2017

JiHope                    02.12.2017

Jin                          18.11.2017

Jikook                    10.11.2017

Taekook                13.10.2017

Jungkook                07.10.2017

Jungkook                06.10.2017

Jin/J-Hope              05.10.2017

Taekook                 04.10.2017

Jungkook                01.10.2017

Taekook                 30.09.2017

Suga                      10.09.2017

Youtuber                 08.09.2017

Youtuber                 05.09.2017

Suga                       02.09.2017

Taekook                 31.08.2017

Musician                 29.08.2017

Jungkook                29.08.2017

Baekhyun/Tae        26.08.2017

Tae                         25.08.2017

Taekook                 23.08.2017

Taekook                 20.08.2017

Taekook                 17.08.2017

Vmin                      13.08.2017

Jungkook               10.08.2017

Jimin                       09.08.2017

Jin                           07.08.2017

Taekook                 06.08.2017

Taekook                 19.07.2017

Tae/Stigma             17.07.2017

J-Hope                   16.07.2017

Taekook                 13.07.2017

BTS                        10.07.2017

Jikook                      09.07.2017

 

 

You are so right, I have so many Taekook post here! *facepalm* Not even half of my messages ... If you don't believe, check it out.

 

And there is something I want to remind you gently, this section is not opened just because LGTB people share their ideas about Kpop idols. This is open to all users.  Users have no right to ridicule and mock another user. If you see that a post is made that does not fit the rules, the thing you will do is very simple, you will report. Off course people will surely find childishness in joining such attitudes towards another user. English is not my mother language., not even my second language. I'm trying very hard to express myself. I don't care bein negged. I don't care what you think about me.  But none of you have the right to bully me like this. 

 

 

I'm sorry (not sorry), but I will continue to post here, and you will learn to respect me.

 

 

 

 

People have explained to you REPEATEDLY how many different ways what the problem with your posts are, so any negative reaction you will receive will be on you. So don't complain anymore when people continue to react negatively towards you for continuing to post things that you full well know other people find problematic. We can't stop you from posting, but no one needs to engage with them, or approve of them.

Edited April 22, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

I honestly have no idea what the rules of this thread are anymore. Last time I was active on this thread I was negged and attacked for suggesting that people tone down the amount of irrelevant shippy posts, and then I come back here and find that the opposite is happening? And also, how is two idols dancing any less relevant than anything else posted here. Last time I was here y'all were defending your right to post cute shippy vids of idols hugging or even just "looking gay," what's changed? I see y'all attacking people for posting irrelevelant stuff, but two pages later eceryone is doing the same thing and no one blinks. I'm not defending the OP and their "heterophobia" and I don't think shippers belong on this thread, Id just appreciate it if we could establish some standard guidelines on this thread that don't change so often.

Shipping- The act of one wanting/supporting two individuals involved in a romantic relationship.

 

If no one is trying to prove/disprove a romantic relationship or express any desire to see the two idols in question in such a relationship, IT IS NOT SHIPPING. What happened before surrounding the BDS/NCT posts were NOT shipping posts because they were not pushing a ship. Posting fanservice in and of itself is not a problem if it is clear you aren't doing so to present it as evidence or to draw conclusions and you are posting solely for appreciation.

 

However, part of the risk of engaging in a public open forum is that sometimes people will not agree or have a problem with whatever you posted and will say something about it. Is it always fair? No, but that's the internet for you. The problem here is someone who willfully engages in behavior that has been explained very clearly as to why it is problematic and continues to be pressed when they get the same backlash for the same behavior. No one has to be in this thread and if they find it that negative or unwelcoming, exercise self care and just move on. You'll be better off.

 

But let's stop shifting goalposts and stirring up faux-outrage. 

[Shaandenigma]

Ikr!! Bless ur post, I don't understand,  Im not defending those shippy vkook post,but people here posted some things like " gay culture" with just  Taeyong and Ten or Jungwoo standing next to each other. This is a double standard tbh

It's not though because the former is in no way like the latter 

[Shaandenigma]

yes, right ? remember back then i posted how confused i was. That suddenly shipping posts are okay as long as everyone has fun and now the rules changed again. i am in this thread for almost 3 years now and i dont get it. It keeps changing from shippy to serious receipt back to shippy back to serious receipt... and i am always on the wrong side when it happens. lol. i must be stupid or something.

 

 

it was a while back.... everyone said shippy posts are okay as long as we have fun. Bex and me asked if this is not too shippy to post and everyone was like "you 2 spoil all the fun !!" "we are just having fun. whats wrong with that ? why so serious ?" so we were critizised back then for saying no shippy and just receipts.

 

Since that day i go a little more shippy cause they said its okay for fun. Now it feels like the rules change again.

 

 

So you say Appreciation Posts are okay but not shippy ? I remember this TEN post with just him standing there being sexy and all of you agreed its On-Topic cause its Appreciation.

 

I am confused again.

 

 

Well, you posted about it, didnt you ? if you want to stop then you shouldnt put oil in the fire with that post.

Yes, that's what I said. Glad to clear the confusion up for you. 

 

and @TiffanyHK: it means that the vkook posts are not similar to the Ten posts in their intent, so it is not a good comparison. They are different situations.

Edited April 22, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

i am pretty sure a lot of other people here do not agree that apprication posts of your bias in a sexy pose that you think are gay are ON-Topic.But if i hear no other comments, maybe you are right and i should start posting sexy idol gifs of idols that i personally think are gay.

Nobody is stopping you. That's what we want. Like I don't get what your issue is? 

[Shaandenigma]

Those are different situation, but Im sure that if it was Jungwoo and Ten doing valse/tango, nobody would neg.

and everyone would be like "Oh gay legend together!!!" Let's be honest. 

I also don't think standing next to other is a better proof than doing tango. Both aren't better than other

The difference is that no one would post Ten and Jungwoo doing a tango as proof of either being gay because they have evidence and are widely believed to be gay on their own. The tango video was negged because of the history of those posts being posted to prove a ship. Not everything in here is "evidence" or trying to prove anything. It is a catchall gay thread.

[Shaandenigma]

That thread is " which male idols is gay" so it's mostly about gay things done by idols. 

Yes it is...things are really getting lost in translation because that's not what I'm arguing. 

[Shaandenigma]

Cuz he is a fuckboi lol open ur eyes

Why are you still on this? That "evidence" was weak.

[Shaandenigma]

no one in this thread can disprove Surene and Suzy + RM they just wanna believe their delusional gay ships, tragic

Speaking of delusional...

[Shaandenigma]

Hi everyone. I'm one of the mods on the LGBT Discord server we setup and here is the link:
https://discord.gg/YywbEnr

Just follow the instructions on the Introductions channel. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

Just passing by to say if there are any gays who were still interested in the Discord server, you can PM me for the link. I will be more diligent in checking my PMs since I'm on here less frequently than I used to.