Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Even the most '' obvious '' cases will probably never come out and get into a relationship with a woman. That's not unheard of. Even gays in the entertainment industry in more liberal countries do that. It has only recently started to change in Hollywood.

I do think we'll get an out actor, comedian or non-idol musician before we get an out idol.

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I hope Ren is living his best damn life now that Gaga is releasing a new song. He has always been such a loyal fan.

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20 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

Celebrity culture needs to die. There has been quite a few idols who have said that what we see on screen are not really them and that they can't be themselves. 

I mean that's what the idol industry is all about though. If you want to be yourself and showcase your one-of-a-kindness, your true self through art, then you wouldn't be an idol, you would be an artist. 

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I saw the thread jump pages and I was like '' ooh, did something interesting happen!? '' but nah, it's just BTS '' yes he is no he isn't yes they are no they aren't '' discussion yet again.

Anyway, Jo Kwon is going to be discharged this month! I am worried that maybe the army pushed him further back into the closet but since he took pictures with Holland, I doubt that's the case.

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22 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

What do you guys think of Heechul saying this? Do you agree or not? Not about his sexuality but about why he never addressed the rumours just to be clear. 
 

"I'm sure most of you know that I've had endless rumors about me being gay since my debut. I even had scandals with other male celebrities. I think it was because I had long hair and wore colored lenses at my debut. At first, I wanted to deny the rumors, but I thought that it'd be inconsiderate to the sexual minorities. I know that some of my male fans who come to my international or domestic concerts can be gay themselves and I'd feel so sorry to them if I did that."

Source: X Sports News via Nate

 

What in the name of fuck? So it's inconsiderate towards sexual minorities if you deny gay allegations? Well, yes, these allegations should be taken as harmless because there's nothing wrong with being gay, so adamantly denying them continuously could make you look a bit obsessed. But the dude made a whole running joke about being gay, is that supposed to be considerate? When there are rumors of you being gay, the considerate thing to do is to make a running joke out of being gay? Really? Am I misunderstanding something

I just... no. 

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If Jo Kwon goes deeper back into the closet, I will honestly not expect any idol ever to come out, at least not during my life time. That's it man, game over, game, freaking, over. 

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9 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

Maybe going to the army had something to do with it. Korean male society can already be pretty toxic as it is, so I can’t even imagine how it would be as a soldier lol that would be hell.

He literally met Holland when he was in the army, and going back a few pages you can see the first few recorded videos when he got out of the army were nothing short of his usual shenanigans. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by witchcocktor

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1 hour ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

I don't follow jo kwon at all so tbh I'm probably not the best person to ask about him. But seeing this, and seeing his alleged comments... I don't understand why he would act one way and then say the opposite, especially when everyone already perceives him a certain way based on his actions. I just thought maybe he still has a lot of internalized homophobia and going to the army pushed it further inside of him. I don't think anyone, in or outside of Korea would be surprised if he came out, so it seems like the only person stopping him, is him. 

I think we still need to realize that he is an idol and he is managed by an idol company.. or is he? If he is, then the company can force him to deny these rumors, or otherwise he'd lose his job. 

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While I do think most companies are pure scum, I want to believe that it's not an entirely homophobic environment? Idols are there to make money for their company, and I think a lot of the companies are basically looking around, looking at their competition, waiting for someone to be the first one to come out, and seeing how much it'll hurt the idols' career, personal life and status among the general public. Because nobody actually has any experience on how an idol coming out would go in 2020, no company wants to be the first one to take the risk, the risk being a completely shitstorm and potential one way ticket for the idol to commit suicide. That is also the reason why a lot of companies probably also want to protect their LGBT idols, because if their sexuality would come out, it could end up really badly for the idols, and for the company as well. 

Because there is no real way of knowing what will happen... nobody wants to take the risk.

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I'm sure some of the boys have been doing favors whether by choice or not. Let's not pretend like k-idol business is above that. But that's not really relevant to this topic.

Edited April 20, 2020 by witchcocktor

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5 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

Grabbing someone's dick in Korea is normal? Wild.

 

Well, sort of. It's pretty normal for young guys to mess around like that with each other.

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59 minutes ago, Thatoneuser said:

Why does everyone think grabbing someones genitals without consent is normal? 

 

It's not normal, but this is how society in several countries lets men be treated by other men and sometimes women. Our bodies aren't as protected and we aren't taught to see our bodies as something to protect.

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12 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Tf Wonwoo went through a whole depression just because he was friends with Mingyu and acted cold to him for years. And now you come and say he had it coming for just acting normal??? wtf is wrong with you? 

There are ofc members who enjoy and dont care, but literally we have an idol now who went through depression and had to take a break because every single move he did was investigated. How insensitive you can be. 

When you enter the idol business, this is part of the deal though. By all means necessary, joining the idol industry is selling your soul, your agency, your individuality, your privacy, to the devil and every move you make is enhanced upon. Should it be that way? No, but that's the name of the game and has been for a while, and it's hard to feel sorry for those who willingly embark on the journey of becoming an idol while knowing the struggles and straight up bullshit that lie ahead, and then fall prey to those struggles.

I'm not saying I'm without sympathy, but it's hard to feel sorry when you (should) know what you're getting into. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by witchcocktor

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4 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

so he deserved alll fantasies about them read out alot to him as underage boy, because he decided to be on stage? got it. So very logical 

Stop being a drama queen. Nobody DESERVES such treatment, but the idol industry has been well documented to be dark and miserable and it treats a lot of it's idols like cogs in a money printing machine, and whatever sells, they are going to abuse that no matter how morally corrupt that is. And the fans of idols are often times more important to this industry rather than idols themselves.  And this should be obvious to anyone entering that business.

Does this come as a shock to k-idol fans, that idols are mistreated by their companies and their fans? Woo lord. 

Still not saying anyone DESERVES anything. But if you are entering such a business, the possibilities of you having to do something you don't want, your personal relationships suffering, your agency taken away... it's very, very high.

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Just now, lighterxx said:

I am not being a drama queen, please. 

you are the one that agreed the comment saying "if they are uncomfortable, its karma", how is it in any way defendable? 

I did not agree with that comment, where did I agree with that comment. I just agreed with the sentiment of '' this is how the idol industry is, and everyone knows it, if you aren't prepared for it and fall victim to it despite knowing all the bs, it's hard to be sympathetic '' and that's all. I'm not devoid of sympathy either, but the sentiment rings true regardless.

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4 minutes ago, reiichi said:

Do they really know what they get into though, or how they're going to deal with it ? Most idols debut when just teenagers, or barely adults. Even as an adult it's hard to measure the impact of something on you, before you're subjected to it.

 

Even if you like your job there's always going to be a part you end up not really liking, but you pull through because you like the rest. Initially it doesn't really matter if you have to do these things, but over time, frustration can accumulate and it affects you more than you thought it would.

I spent about eight years at my previous job ; I didn't get along too well with my manager, but for a long time it wasn't too bad, because the job itself was very interesting and we didn't spend that much time in each other's presence. But the last couple of years we were in the same office, and the tension between us rose gradually, to the point of becoming unbearable. We often clashed, I stressed a lot, and I was planning to resign when I got fired because of it.

They might not know what they are getting into, because I'm sure the idol industry seems completely regular and normal from the perspective of a person who has lived in SK their whole lives, and a lot of the stuff that I perceive negatively is just normalized there. But I don't think you can compare getting into the idol industry and any job that just pays the bills.  

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Sort of unrelated, but not good news for the LGBT community of SK.

https://www.businessinsider.com/anti-gay-backlash-feared-south-korea-records-new-coronavirus-spike-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

 

 

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4 hours ago, cjbenny said:

We've brought up this organization plenty of times before but this current situation is a good reminder about it. If there's any of us with the means to donate (which I know is nigh impossible for some of us due to COVID-19), please do so. For those who may not know, Rainbow Teen Safe Space's goal is to provide a long-term self-sufficient shelter for Korean LGBTQ teens and youth. God knows this current situation is going to disrupt the lives of many in the Korean LGBTQ community and shelters like these need funds to provide that support.

https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/rainbow-teen-safe-space/

Thank you for posting this, I made a donation!

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The reason the bar is so, abysmally low for idols being considered woke, is because they are idols in South Korea. What we perceive as completely redundant and lazy, might be something huge for other people who aren't as used to the kind of progressive social awareness and inclusivity we as western AND English-speaking people are used to. What we perceive as given, might not be so for others.

With that said, we also should acknowledge the bar being so freaking low, and if they want to be praised for their activism and progressiveness, they need to do more than the bare minimum. 

 

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Honestly, I can understand why even straight idols and celebrities would enjoy going to gay clubs and bars. If anyone knows the value of privacy, it's LGBT people, and privacy is most likely just what these celebrities and idols need while having fun. Paparazzi,. stalkers and very '' energetic '' opposite sex fans would also be more or less out of the picture, as none of them would want to be potentially seen going to gay spaces. 

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Love that for them

 

 

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I feel like speculation about someone who is dating and/or marrying someone of the opposite sex is pretty pointless. That's the life they decided to choose, and that is the life 99,9% of the idols mentioned in this thread will end up choosing. If we are lucky, in 20-30 years time we will hear stories and rumors about idols in lavender marriages being involved in a male prostitution scandal or getting drunk in Itaewon and sexually harassing male patrons of (gay) bars and clubs though! Something to look forward to! 

 

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3 minutes ago, Namie-Knowles said:

That's a lie but The Stealer is a bop so I will allow it! The way this thread is super dead but I got this shit active again. Causing all this commotion. Impact. Y'all better keep this shit going after I leave. Don't let such an iconic thread end in the grave.

I mean have u seen the thread? 90% of it is BTS, 5% of it is WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF INSERTBOYGROUPHERE and the rest 5% is the same debate about queerbaiting, fanservice, femininity and '' sus '' behavior that isn't sus at all. It's already in the grave lmfao. 

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29 minutes ago, Josaline said:

It's not Kpop, but the two who starring in this BL movie are members of the Jpop group Kis-My-Ft2.

 

lol

 

More details on this that I found interesting, also kind of puts kpops attempt of lame fanservice to shame ngl.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, sergel said:

This kind of reminds me of how a lot of a Thai BL actors will do fan service outside of their dramas with the guy they’ve acted with. One one hand it’s kind shippy but On the other some are actually openly gay.
it is interesting to see the rise of BL dramas and movies in Japan, Thailand, and Korea this year, and many of them being actually decent. I remember back in the day it felt like every gay story from Asia was two guys who fell in love but either couldn’t be together for reasons or someone died.it alway felt tragic. There’s still that, but now they’re showing the different facets of life. Some are super happy and cheerful, some talk about abuse and parental rejection, happy, sad, and bittersweet resolutions, etc. It’s just nice to see more variety reflected.

This is true, we've mostly progressed from tragic gay stories and gays as complete jokes phase to the whole pseudo-educational '' BEING GAY IS OKAY! '' phase of gay representation in dramas. I think it's needed, but I hope this is not everything asian dramas are ready to offer in the future. Even the west is only starting to shed that educational gay representation shtick and gay characters' storylines being about gay issues trope.

While it was far far FAR from perfect, I did enjoy the japanese netflix drama called Followers. It had several bi/gay characters, but their sexuality wasn't really discussed and their stories barely, BARELY if at all touched on their sexuality or gay/bi issues. The LGB characters were treated like actual people that had issues beyond sexuality and coming out and such. 

Still, wasn't perfect in any way, but it was a breath of fresh air, and I really really enjoyed it!