Edelarwen 1,747 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 GIVE US THAT LONG ASS ANALYSIS SIS (and include the rest of nct while ur at it) You want me to fail at life buddy lmao but I could do it when I have time, why not There's been a bit of discussion on TY and Jaehyun in the previous pages, we just put it into spoilers because we were writing a bit too much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Ok then. "How to be a real man" - a practical guide by Zhang Yixing. (no homo btw) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Okay, this is so late because I had four classes I FUCKING HATE LINGUISTICS but anyway with Lay and the whole butt thing I feel will finally write the things I've been thinking about him for the longest. This of course is just my theory, it will be quick and no doubt shitty, and it may or may not seem delusional but well, this is just speculation. I already stated this here once before, but I will state it again. I think Lay is Bi-curious. It all goes back to that time he said he was not used to two guys showering together in 130706. @36:36 You can tell right away, and even now, that Lay happens to be a guy with strong core principles with somewhat of an conservative view, that's the way he was raised in China. However when I think about when this happened Lay basically breaking his neck to see Xiumin getting kissed by a guy. I feel like growing up in China this kind of guy on guy action is not something he was normally exposed to and if he was, it was probably in a negative context. Therefore, seeing his group members casually doing something like that must have made him go "...huh?" or something like that. Naturally, he was curious. and then THAT moment happened. If I were going by his previous statement about not being used to two guys showering together, he should feel even more so about two guys kissing right?? Well, there was not even the slightest indication of disgust or unhappiness of Lay's face, if anything, he seemed to find the whole situation funny and was more slightly embarrassed or flustered I would say? But anyway, after judging his actions in the past up until now: There are more recent gifs but I can't fin them. Anyway, the point is, it's like compared to China being in Korea has given him the opportunity to discover more sexual parts of himself. Do I think Lay is gay? No. I think the guy is really firm when it comes to things like keeping promises and not breaking principals. I think he's straight and I think he genuinely thinks he's straight too but probably in denial maybe and may even mistake his urges to touch his members in a way that would normally come off as sexual for close friendship or strong bromance or something But really, I feel like if he had a day where he could just take a break and drop his principles, everything he has been raised to believe is wrong or right, the eyes of the public constantly watching him, and just do whatever the hell he wants without fear of repercussions resting on his shoulders, he would bang a dude. Don't know if this makes any sense, and I rushed through a lot of it, but like I said its just a theory. He went from not showering with guys to splitting Xiumin's butt cheeks so I mean.... In the end all I can say is Lay is in general may look like a sheep but is probably a really sexual guy. I mean... I 100% agree, I'm not sure if he's just bi-curious or something more tho. But he'll never admit it, probably not even to himself, and if he'll have to pull out another homophobic and conservative comment, he will. Zhang Yixing simply doesn't change his mind. And it's his best feature and his worst at the same time. Edited September 19, 2016 by Edelarwen 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 doyoung the subject of Leeteuk's hands on MC-ing (they were demonstrating how Irene grabs Wendy's ass lol) Well Doyoung, I underestimated your ass poppin' abilities. So about NCT Hansol... Yeah that's him Hansol causally sucking a lollipop while singing to Taeyeon's I He's also Ten's cute bff He hasn't debuted yet so we don't have much on him but definitely someone to watch out for~ To me, Hansol is the 2nd greatest pinger after Ten. Problem is, we don't have much material on him but his closeness with Ten may be an indicator. When I watched NCT life in Bangkok I didn't know anything about YuTenSol or whatever, but he just caught my attention. He looks glorious in that first photo. Him pinging became a hope after I came to know about Yusol, but that's a different story. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 So, yesterday V-Live with NCT127 (with their 2 new members, Johnny and Doyoung). A fan requested Johnny to act cute and something interesting happened. Jaehyun proposed to set an act: And Doyoung volunteered to be Johnny's boyfriend: And everyone obviously went like "Boyfriend?wtf?" I think it's interesting because Doyoung acted like it's perfectly normal and didn't go like "pretend I'm his girlfriend" etc. Maybe it was just a Freudian slip, which makes it interesting in any case. Also, the others panicked quite a lot and Johnny was a bit taken aback.for those who want to see it: http://m.vlive.tv/video/19700 at 15:00 bonus, from the same V-live: Yuwin Yes, it was almost disturbingly fanservicey, but they really stayed glued to one another for the entire V-live, that's what I call being comfortable with skinship. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 The serious look on all their faces is killing me. All of BTS are truly a gift. Also Damn Jin!!! That's so weird of Doyoung lol, I had him pegged as straight all this time based on what I've seen of him so I'm somehow still not too convinced by this I'm not saying he's gay/bi/whatevs himself (honestly, I've always find him kinda confusing), but that the reaction he elicited in the others is interesting lmao It may even be that he accidentally said "boyfriend" because of Johnny. Or that he simply didn't find it shocking to quote a boyXboy situation, which is positive by itself. Sent from my iPad using OneHallyu mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I said this before too, I think his brother is gay or at least bi which is why Doyoung is so casual about boyXboy stuff (saying he'd be Johnny's boyfriend, saying there's nothing on is mind but Jaehyun - and Jaehyun concluding that they're boyfriends lol). From what I've noticed men with a gay brother tend to be chill and dont do the whole "no homo" shit, and considering Doyoung has shown interest in women (and so far none in men) my conclusion is that this is the case aka his brother (who does ping) isnt straight. Yeah, I agree that could be the case. I think he pings a bit tho, but it's difficult to tell if it's just his way of acting around people or what. I hope he continues to be like that, the less heteronormativity, the best. Sent from my iPad using OneHallyu mobile app 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Anyway, if this person comes back we should just take it upon ourselves to ignore them because they clearly don't care to understand our points of view and they only want to get people riled up or, in their words, 'butthurt'. If we've explained it ten times already, it won't get into their head any further and we needn't waste any more time on them. I mean, anyone who says they're not homophobic while repeatedly making homophobic and heteronormative arguments isn't worth the effort. Let's just get back to what we came here for. :-) This. I've been following this thread for years, and I've lost count of how many times people here had to make the same point again and again. Every now and then someone says he/she has a Korean friend that told him/her that skinship is normal so we're making wrong assumptions, or that what we say is weird. It's not like someone who has an heteronormative or even homophobic mindset will change his or her mind just because of one post. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 a question, does Heechul and that Gunhee guy still hang out? They rarely do, or at least that's what they show through SNS. Problem is, Gunhee is almost always in Singapore for his business. So I honestly don't know if there's still something or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I agree with you. It seems that most commenters here are lonely horny gays (I am one too, lol) and delusional teenage girls who tend to blow almost any display of affection between two guys out of proportion. I have seen so many straight male friends irl who did stuff times gayer than what has been discussed here. Some "suspicious" touching and kissing between two guys means NOTHING WHATSOEVER with respect to their sexualities, let alone some flirty looks and giggles (those Jimin/Taemin comments are driving me nuts). I understand that dreaming about your favourite idols being LGBT is sweet and nice (my own ovaries would explode if Minho turned out to be at least bi) but most comments here seem just friggin' RIDICULOUS to me. And don't get me wrong, I'm not like those members a few pages ago who were annoyed by us questioning idols' sexualities and considered them all 100% straight by default. I just wanna say that a lot of recent comments here are so unreasonable... like most of the BTS members being non-straight. WTF people?! I can understand suspicions (if those can be called "suspicions" at all) about people like Heechul, Key and other obvious candidates; but suspecting every second idol is just plain ludicrous. I apologise if this may come across as offensive or homophobic... Just kidding, sorry not sorry. I meant what I wrote. People, please stop exaggerating every single little thing. Get off your "those two male idols *insert an innocent gesture of affection* so they totally wanna bang one another" crap and sober up. You know it still counts as anal sex even if you say "no homo" before, don't you? 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yes, I do. And btw that's a good one) But don't you think that a lot of folk here are overanalyzing even the most plain and innocent things? Yes, but I think it's normal. The more you are into a group, the more you will tend to notice things. I wouldn't necessarily call it ridiculous, me myself I've thought twice about some things I've written here and realized that maybe it was a bit of a reach, it's not like there's no self-criticism in this thread. It happens quite often that someone says "it may be nothing as well" or others disagree. Don't judge a years-old thread on the basis of just a few posts you've read. Plus, since you're an horny gay as well, you'll agree that a lot of "friendly interactions" actually hide something more, and it's not that difficult to tell it apart. And Idk shit about BTS, but If in my group of friends 3/5 girls turned out non-straight without even knowing about each other, I'd say everything is possible. Peace and love. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NZX9C7AMU look at him go Johnny's confusing to me - I know he's the rumored bf of Sehun from predebut days and look at this glo up and I know there've been a lot of rumors about JohnTen, also since predebut (but the recent predebut, not EXO predebut) and pics of their little dates from before are adorable as heck their relationship was always slightly suspicious to me, but I had nowhere to base that off since we did not know them that well, I didn't know if they were just best bros or broyfriends LMAO and they're really cute with each other but I never really thought Johnny pings me that much, until recently and now I'm getting kinda mixed signals from him, just because he has more exposure now and I can stalk him observe him better Ten's body language when he's sitting next to Johnny the way Johnny sometimes stares at Ten and both of them at each other how they always seem the happiest when they're around one another (Ten's never been questionable to me - I'm pretty sure he's gay, although that's just my opinion) I'm not sure where I was going with this , except to say that I really love their interactions and hope to see more of them now that they've both debuted Aaaaaaaaaaaaah, Johnny <3 The boy sure likes girls (source: the legend of his old twitter account), but I wouldn't exclude him being bi...at all. He sure has a lot of rumors around him. boy is fab as well Johnten is....suspicious. I think Ten likes him (....I think I've spoken enough about the b-day message LMAO), and overall he really looks at him like he's some sort of treasure damn ur right Ten, and Johnny surely adores him. But the true nature of their relationship...Idk. They're so close they could be best friends forever, or something more and it's still hard to tell. They're so close Johnny can just say he wants to visit Ten's house and Ten can say his father likes Johnny and smiles while seeing him performing. Whatever it is, I think Ten is open to him, when the others asked Ten's teachers about him being popular with girls, he basically turned around to search for Johnny and looked at him in a "help me" kind of way. I think that, regardless, he's really supportive and theirs is at least a beautiful friendship. ^ this moment, btw. If I remember correctly, Ten starts caressing/touching Johnny's arm and he moves it away (due to cameras?) still bitter at the fact they haven't been in a unit together yet Edited January 3, 2017 by Edelarwen 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yeah same, I think these two have a special connection regardless of what kind of a connection it is and I'm leaning towards bi for Johnny as well (btw. did you see him with Yoona? too cute) I think there's some attraction going on there as well, and I agree with you about Ten having a crush at least JohnTen are suspicious and I'm gonna be paying close attention to them Oh yes he was so cute *squeals* I just hope it's not a "I'm in love with u my friend but ur straight" thing. Can't wait for them to appear again together. Sent from my iPad using OneHallyu mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Sehun posted Johnny's teaser pic on his own instagram! I ship Hunny already (Along with Tenny) Anticipate the drama with the return of the ex bf and Ten getting jealous af. Don't mind me I'm talking shit 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) How interesting would it be now if Sehun and Johnny did indeed have ~something~ going on in predebut times though? I've been trying to spot an interaction since forever, but there are so little. It'd be really fun indeed I'm gonna keep an eye on them. Sent from my iPad using OneHallyu mobile app Edited January 4, 2017 by Edelarwen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 exo - (tao) sehun suho baekhyun bts - taehyung suga What do you think about NCT taeyong? He's still difficult to read, but he pings as bi to me. About how much he's open/experienced about it, I don't know. I don't have time to elaborate on that with photos and GIFs, sorry, but I've tried to observe him for a while and he stares a bit too much at his bros. It may be his way of staring at people, but I'm not convinced. It's not a matter of ships, he does it with most of them, more or less. If he was fab or "effeminate" (for a lack of a better term, sorry) as Ten, he'd be immediately suspected imho, but since he's ""manly"" he falls off everyone's gaydar. Moreover, if we really want to speak about mannerism, his strong image isn't really a thing because he's actually....really, really cute and soft once he's comfortable. He's clingy af with his bandmates, both on and offstage, and one could argue "non straight people aren't clingy because they feel insecure about it", but I actually think different people experience these kind of things differently, based on my personal experience. He gives me the impression as someone who's still discovering different sides of himself, he's not an open person like Yuta or Ten or Johnny (whatever their orientation is...well, except Ten lmao). Like, in NCT life in Seoul, Yuta actually knew more about Seoul's districts than Taeyong himself, who was born and raised there. I kind of see him like someone who was really closed to the world till recently, and maybe his awkward way of interacting with boys it's a part of that "opening " process (absolutely no pun intended) . Who knows :') The more he relaxes in front of cameras, the more we get to read about him. He's not an easy one. Plus he spilled the tea about being submissive with his lyrics, who knows if he does indeed like both sides It's hard to tell with Winwin since he's only really starting to come out of his shell now due to getting better at Korean. During NCT Life in Seoul, he barely spoke at all, but he pretty much completely won me over during the more recent NCT Life: Korean Cooking King (he's so cute!). I'm not sure yet about his orientation, but he sure knows that he's cute and uses it to his advantage. He likes to use aegyo to manipulate the other members into buying him stuff or helping him out in some other way, and I bet he does the same to SM staff too. Kun called him "cute, but dumb," but it's hard to tell whether he's really like that or if it's an act he uses. I haven't really seen any interaction with him and women yet, but he did ping me a bit in the Firetruck MV. Anyway, have some Winwin being adorkable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNQUf2eSTTY Winwin sucking up to/manipulating Taeyong with cute: Win Win knows he's cute and that everyone has a sweet spot for him, sure thing About how much this has any implication...Idk, I still need to observe him out of his childish image. He doesn't seem to be bothered at all by Yuta's disgustingly overboard boy stop please its almost starting to cringe the fuck out of me lmao fanservice with him, let's see 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Well, while I agree that sometimes this thread goes a little bit too overboard with ships, saying that you can gather nothing from idols' interactions with one another is wrong, imho. Sexuality is always part of oneself, it's not like an idol switches off his sexuality when he/she's on stage and turns it on the moment after, there's no such dichotomy in real life. Ofc, someone might be able to "hide" it better, or "manage" it better, but some hints are always there, since most is expressed through involuntary movements and nonverbal communication. I hide my sexuality at work, but be sure one who's paying enough attention would notice, because if a hot girl passes by either I force myself to stay impassible, or most likely I'll react to that. And that's just one example. Actually, I think idols doing fanservice and exaggerating skinship often highlights where someone's swinging. It's not doing skinship per se, it's how you react to it that gives it away. Honestly, If I were a LGB girl/boy and was surrounded by hot girls/boys and I could just do shitloads of skinship with people not even suspecting me/ just taking for granted that I'm straight...hell, I'd go down with that. And I think it happens a lot. Ofc, ships per se are not a proof, one should analyze various moments and try to keep it as rational as possible, but often ships are also the best interaction we can see for some idols. It's just a matter of how you look at it. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 In a world where Korea has a fondly love for skinship and treat themselves as brothers, Why do you think this idols are gay or bi? I've watched them for certaint time and I don't think any of them is gay or bi Every time someone comes to this thread saying none among the hundreds of idols is gay an anthropologist, a sociologist, a statistician, an evolutionary biologist and a unicorn die somewhere in the world. Don't let this happen. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Iconic tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Click here to view the Tweet some people think Yuwin is just fanservice encouraged by sm but idk Yuta is such a blunt person, i don't think it'd be easy for him to fake these things Yuwin is genuine in the sense that I truly believe that Yuta cares about him and that they're close nowadays (he said he didn't want Win Win to face the same difficulties as a foreigner he had to face), but I think they're pushing the ship. Or better, they know it's good for their popularity, so he plays a bit with it. Sure, he is comfortable about it, very comfortable. Yuta keeps being a mystery to me. Sometimes he destroys my gaydar and sometimes he silences it. Edited January 20, 2017 by Edelarwen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) And about Tao. I see people going on and on about him being "toned down" when he came back to China but I can't really see it? I mean, where? He's the same and sometimes even more... explicit, he had lots of gay moments since then and he even stood out for LGBT, the way he acts is the same, his so called mannerisms are still here. Considering he was always very honest and became even more of that when he got outta SM cage (ofc there's some image control lying beneath - as always, but it's not that deep). I always thought he's more of bisexual though so some moments don't surprise me much. This. He's still...the same? I had to admit he actually probably likes girls as well (he was my 100% gay bet in EXO), but apart from that he's still Tao. He hasn't got the "I'm in a kpop group it's fanservice" shield anymore and ,in general,it's not like he can go around screaming "I'm not straight", but he's been pretty much himself. 00:49. Mark leans forward to write something and Taeyong goes like "Oh, sexy", pointing at his butt Taeyong he's still a minor at least try in front of the camera . Then the others follow him as well. Dunno about you, but I wouldn't call that exactly straight from Taeyong. Edited January 20, 2017 by Edelarwen 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) NCT in general love to hype Mark guys please. I didn't fight through all the Dream era to avoid minor's sexualization for you to ruin everything. On the other hand, I'm not particularly a Yuwin fan but Win Win teasing Yuta was actually funny today. Gotta keep an eye on Win Win. hello i'm not sure how often jackson is discussed here (and tbh i'm too lazy to go through all the pages) but what's the general opinion of him on here? i know some people say he's gay/bi because of all the gay things he says but imo i think when it comes to sexuality, the best evidence is always the most SUBTLE you know what i mean? i feel like if jackson was gay or bi he wouldn't be flaunting it so openly. like, i'm gay and i'm always conscious about acting 'too gay' in public (unless i feel safe) because i risk outing myself, and i'd be even more conscious about it if i were a k-pop idol. but with jackson, i feel like with every 'gay' thing he does there's a level of disconnect there, which is the biggest reason why i think he's straight. it just seems like it's part of his down-to-earth personality and is trying to be funny. i don't genuinely ~feel~ like he actually gets horny for men if that makes sense lol. this is just my opinion ofc! I think it depends a lot on the personality and on how much that person is comfortable with his sexuality. Sometimes it's true, the more you're afraid to be "too out" in public, the less you're touchy. But I've also seen plenty of the contrary, especially when none's actually suspecting you're LGB I personally think that's Jackson case, he's very open and comfortable about it and his personality allows him to play with it. (I think he's bi, btw). _________________ About the Kinsey's scale discussion above: It's a rough method, sure, and the data coming out from it are not really significant for various reasons, but recent studies are basically confirming its validity. Studies are demonstrating that the younger the sample is, the higher the amount of non straight people (over 50% in a British study, If I'm not wrong), and it's not because Satan's doing his job or maybe he is indeed *dundundun* but because society is becoming more open about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of bisexuals (of whichever kind) outnumbers heterosexuals. Here in Italy there's recently been a survey amongst high-schoolers, and, overall, something like 60% identified as bisexual. It's not really a proper study, but I think it's a good indication, considering that we're talking about a conservative country. I think environment plays the biggest role in this respect, yes, we all have our inclinations since day 1, but how much you actually experiment and discover about it depends a lot on where you are: college, for example. In my personal experience, this came out to be true (well, for girls at least, don't have much experience with boys sorry ) Edited January 20, 2017 by Edelarwen 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) We have almost the same thoughts on EXO! Especially Jongin. God, I've met too many of his fans (the mature ones) who changed their mind after they started following him/noticing how he really is. I never gave him attention before, because he came off as arrogant, but then I started noticing things (and lol, there were no ship involved during this process, like some people here are trying to imply) and I realized his real personality. Once I started properly following him, I concluded that boy wasn't straight. If I met a guy like that in real life, I'd want to coddle him, not date him lol. I agree with you. People are using out people for their 5-10% conclusions. How many people are out, do you think? Let me tell you. If someone is bisexual, there is a higher chance that they'll identify as straight, no matter which culture they are from. The stigma is still there for the LGBT people, and no one wants that. I fall in 2 (or maybe 1.7 lol?) in the kinsley scale it seems. I've looked at my share of girls, there was a rumor going on in my uni that my best friend and I were a couple (we were always in our own world, and rarely let anyone in, not to mention our overly familiar skinship, so I don't blame them), and I've had girls subtly hit on me (and no, didn't reject them), but I'll not be caught dead admitting that I might be non-straight, what with how my society is. Even if my society becomes more lax, I'll still probably not accept because I like men more, especially romantically. It's just easier to call myself straight. How many people are like me around the world, people who lean more towards the opposite sex so consider themselves straight? How many who lean towards the same sex are in the closet? What makes people think the 5% conclusion is the absolute truth is beyond me. Studies are manipulated. Real life experiences aren't. I can bet you most of my college friends (girls) would experiment if given the chance, and if it was an accepted phenomena. Yes, exactly. I've seen plenty of people that even admit they would do something with the same sex and then identify as straight anyway, because it's not considered as a true deviation from the norm. It looks like you're not actually LGBT unless you shout it out. 5% is ridiculous and, let me tell you, scientifically impossible, considering actual data. My infectious disease professor at lesson told us that they don't even count "being part of the homosexual community" as a risk factor for HIV anymore (in clinical practice, at least) because the same-sex relationships are so widespread even amongst the so called "heterosexual population" it just leads to confusing data. But what happens to you happens to me as well-somehow-and I'm bi and I have a girlfriend, but since I don't tell anyone but close friends and I've had boyfriends before, everyone just takes for granted I'm straight. And since being out could be a problem, I won't try to change their mind for a while. I have two groups of friends, one from the uni and one I've met through kpop: in the first one 3/5 girls are bi, in the other 7/9 are lesbians or bi. In the last one, we started off with just 3 bi girls, but then the number grew, because we started talking about certain things till two of them who didn't even think about it before became a couple. Of course, personal/episodic experience is not scientific proof, but I think it happens quite often to be ignored. The "5-10%" thing is just the tip of the iceberg, people are much more complicated than that and discrete categories just don't apply to such a fluid, multifactorial thing as human sexuality. But I mean, bi people still struggle to be accepted inside the community because they're often viewed as "confused" or "greedy", we still have a looong way to go. Edited January 20, 2017 by Edelarwen 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 i'm saying the kinsey scale isn't accurate because it primarily measures sexual behavior, not sexual attraction. it’s geared primarily towards a person’s actual behavior rather than their own understanding of their identity; if you’re a woman who’s only ever been with men, you're a 0 on the kinsey scale which would make you straight... even if you're only attracted to women. True dat, I was thinking about more modern surveys based on the Kinsey scale which take into consideration attraction as well, but yes the original one has this flaw as well. I'm surprised more people don't peg Suho as gay... not just bc if the stuff mentioned in this thread but because he has a rumored BF who's not another idol. To me that kinda makes it seem the most legit bc if it was just shipping it'd be with his group members but this is some dude he's just really close to lol Does anybody remember who I am talking about? I forget his name, I don't follow Exo that much Dongwhan? But actually, a lot of people here think Suho is not straight, due to his relationship as well. He's one of the most obvious, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelarwen 1,747 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 It was during his concert today. I couldn't find a video (and I don't speak Korean anyway), but here are some tweets: Click here to view the Tweet Click here to view the Tweet Click here to view the Tweet I don't know if it matters or not, but his family and several soldiers/former soldiers were there too. It could explain the last quote? Jaejoong Also, Heechul be speaking about his girlfriends again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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