Which male idols do you think are gay?

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We've come a long way.

 

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4 minutes ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

do you guys really think wearing pride merch equals support? i'm not trying to be shady and it's a real not hypothetical question, because i always get reminded of that episode of zayn malik wearing a pride bracelet and having fans praising him as he procedes to say he's only wearing it because it was gigi's gift. i'm glaad that brands started recognizing lgbtq as it helped us get places and exist in the mainstream, but isn't it too superficial at the same time?

I think something is better than nothing. There aren't really other ways that idols can support lgbtq rights. I'm aware that some idols have actually straight up said gay rights, but it's not something that's easy to do (and easy to backfire). Hence, why wearing rainbow clothing and promoting gay singers are safer choices. That could be partially why it's common? Although I'm sure a lot of idols do it because they are sponsors for the brand(s). 

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4 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

I said this before, and will say it anytime it is needed. I dont see piece of garment as support. 

You can say supporting statements about LGBT+ and wear the garments, but only garments are barely support for me. I guess people choose it because it is easy for anyone to use. One side can go "yes they support lgbt must support" while other goes "they are just clothes, they must not be supporting so i must stan these idols!" very efficient for especially Kpop idols to use. You get to magnet both sides. Without explicit support, they are meaningless in my view. 

I get where you are coming from, but there isn't really a lot of other ways that idols can support lgbtq... At least some of them are trying to do something without losing their career/fans. 

I think it's unfair to say that their efforts are meaningless. Tbh, if I was an idol in Korea I wouldn't be running around saying that I support the gay community (even though I'm bisexual). It's awful, but having to prioritize your career is not wrong. 

Edited February 28, 2020 by ga_shina

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Just now, lighterxx said:

True but how can I know those idols are truly supporting lgbt, or using it, or doesn't even know what they mean? There are idols at least defended how everyone should be equal, even that is enough message for me, and if they cant even do that, its not a real support in my view rip 

We can never know if idols really support x or they are just doing it for fame/more fans/etc though. I'd rather see idols doing something than nothing. I'm not saying wearing clothing will change Korea, but maybe fans will look up what the rainbow means.  

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6 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

I doubt any idol would say they support lgbt in korea, consider this, rather than support they would get backlash, not something I would use for fame. And I doubt anyone doesn't know what rainbow means, the issueisthey are against the mere thought of same sexes being together all together. Thats why it is important for being lgbt+ to be said supported by idols, especially them considering their fanbase is Young. I dont want rainbow to be seen as fashion accessory, rather than its meaning behind it. 

I get what you are talking too, about how even clothes matter, but I just cant bring myself to care unless garment is very lgbt specific, like Burberry lgbt series, instead of small rainbow in a shirt. At least that shirts money Goes to charities who support their lgbt community, rather than going to nothing...

BTS has a lot of lyrics that could allude to gay rights and that definitely brings in fans. I think they key is to allude and not straight up support gay rights. As I said I think something is better than nothing (especially in Korea!). We can agree to disagree

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7 hours ago, Bushi said:

My gut feeling about BTS are there could be one or two surprise additional packages in there that only a few people suspect. Like, not places such as this, but out there in the mainstream, where ARMY are mothering  and meow-meowing them every day. Pretending that shipping is all good vs the crushing reality of what the group are capable of being/doing, as adult males. 

 

Celebrity culture needs to die. There has been quite a few idols who have said that what we see on screen are not really them and that they can't be themselves. 

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Have we mentioned Itaewon Class? 
V is singing the OST for the drama which is nice. 

“Itaewon Class” (2020) is taking one step further in the good representation of the LGBT community with a transgender. Lee JooYoung is acting HyunYi who was born male. HyunYi is currently gathering money for gender reassignment surgery (GRS).

The drama addresses transgender issues in South Korea. As the drama just started more are to come. Park SeoJoon also had an impactful speech that confronts stereotypes.

https://www.kpopmap.com/8-kdramas-featuring-the-lgbt-community/

 

 

 

 

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What do you guys think of Heechul saying this? Do you agree or not? Not about his sexuality but about why he never addressed the rumours just to be clear. 
 

"I'm sure most of you know that I've had endless rumors about me being gay since my debut. I even had scandals with other male celebrities. I think it was because I had long hair and wore colored lenses at my debut. At first, I wanted to deny the rumors, but I thought that it'd be inconsiderate to the sexual minorities. I know that some of my male fans who come to my international or domestic concerts can be gay themselves and I'd feel so sorry to them if I did that."

Source: X Sports News via Nate

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2 hours ago, Sugar Daddy said:

LUL. As soon as I read what Heechul said I knew people wouldn't accept it in this thread. You're trying so hard to make him gay because he meets your standards. It's delusional at this point, give him a rest - and yourself.

 

I actually only posted his quote to ask other LGB people what they think about someone not addressing gay rumours in order to be considerate of the community. As part of the LGB I'm not sure how I feel about it and wanted to discuss it. To me it came across as us (straight people) versus them ("the gays"). Kinda like when someone says it's okay to be gay as long as it's not their son/daughter. Heechul is great in many ways but I'm still on the fence about his comment. His sexuality doesn't matter to me as much as him trying to look like he is pro LGB. 

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5 minutes ago, Taecoholic said:

Actually in the past he tried to deny those rumors, but no one actually believed him, rumors didn't stop so he's saying he stopped trying because he thought that by insisting that he's not gay he would sound rude and hurt his LGBT fans? It's actually very considerate of him if you ask me.

I don't really see how having gay rumours is a bad thing though. It's very unlikely that he would lose jobs or whatever over them. People say the wildest things about idols so I don't know why this bothers him so much. It really doesn't come across as being pro-lgb. Idk maybe I'm missing something here. 

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1 minute ago, lighterxx said:

Same, i mean the rumors were not due to his long hair to start with, it was because he and Siwon woukd make out every concert  should we assumed brotherly moment from tongue in throat

Thats why i didnt want to talk about heechul, nothing he said seemed pro lgbt to me 

I'm wondering why he specifically mentioned having long hair and wearing coloured lenses when a lot of male idols have or had long hair and constantly wear coloured lenses. I have never seen someone think he is not straight because of those two things.

Again, "femininity" doesn't equal gay smh. 

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14 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Patriarchal society rip, thats why, he sees one single comment of him being pretty and assumes he is said to be gay because of that. 

And dont get me wrong, isnt one of the most known lgbt figure in Korea a bald quite calm and normal guy? Why do they always assume femininity=gay when dude is all over tv being one of the most classy and calmest dude ever

Idk i like Heechul, but something about his comment rubbed me wrong

It's also interesting coming from an idol. Idols break a lot of gender stereotypes like advertising for make up brands and actually wearing other make up other than "guyliner". Like my man people don't think you are gay because of your hair but because of you kissing group members. His comment perpetrates the idea that gay men are "girly". But can we really expect more from such a conservative society? 

Stan Holland. At least he is properly helping the LGB community. 

 

Edit: It may seem like I'm shitting on Heechul but he's supported lgb people before (without implying that gay=femninine).

In this video he says that it's okay for men to love one another and that he respects him if that's the case.

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by ga_shina

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2 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

His fanservice was always very extreme at old times tho, was it not? I was quite young but even i remember it lol i guess ,he was fine with fanservice, but he didnt liked getting called and guessed constantly, which something i can understand

I read that he/was a big fan of Visual Kei so that explains a lot when it comes to fan service. 

On the bright side, it's good to have more idols talk about such a taboo topic in Korea. Hopefully things will keep improving

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6 hours ago, Callmeashy said:

"lgb community"? Is saying lgb a thing now?

Since I was mainly talking about sexuality (as in knowing that they are attracted to the same sex) I didn’t include the T, Q, I, and A

It’s not that deep. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by ga_shina

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After Heechul mentioned the gay rumours HSC replied with a very good message! My apologies for not posting it before. I've been a fan of k-pop since 2009 and people just didn't talk about this so it's really a good change. For some it might not seem like a lot but just imagine how things were in 2009 

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Hong Suk Chun, one of Korea’s only openly gay celebrities, responded, “It’s been 20 years since I came out.” He shared that while things have gotten some better in Korea, there is still a lot of discrimination.

“I hope that there will no longer be stereotypes or prejudice like that,” said Hong Suk Chun. “If people no longer feel fear about things they don’t know about, then we’ll be more free to accept each other.”

 

 

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The fine line between wanting to "protect" your artists and being straight up homophobic... 

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4 hours ago, Josaline said:

Because you did not watch the beginning of the video.^^ Jungkook keeps tempo with his fingers behind Tae's chair and Tae warns him not to do it. But when he continues to do it, Taehyung tries to reach out to touch his ring ding dong to stop him  So, Jungkook grabs and pushes his hand and closes his legs. It is not something big. It's just funny that he just did it in the middle of the award ceremony.   I think Korean men are very comfortable with touching each other's butt or d. I was very confused about this before, we even talked in this thread before. Because in my country, straight men don't joke to each other like this, but other people here said that this is normal in Korea, even something that is generally seen in Asian countries. So idk  

 

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Grabbing someone's dick in Korea is normal? Wild.

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1 hour ago, witchcocktor said:

 

Well, sort of. It's pretty normal for young guys to mess around like that with each other.

Good to know. Culture shock 

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The victim blaming though and the lack of empathy, yikes. You can be part of a system and still criticize it or feel bad for the people in it. 

It’s like saying sex workers shouldn’t want or expect to be treated properly because they “chose” that line of work. 

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Kevin is living his best life.

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by ga_shina

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I too come to the which male idols are gay thread to read about vaginas...

Edited May 2, 2020 by ga_shina

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To stay on topic, not sure if this was posted before. I wonder how much of it it's culture or idols really wanting to challenge gender norms. As fans of k-pop we know that idols are more likely to wear make-up, have long hair, etc, than Western singers. Representation also seems to be getting a bit better and I've read before that the younger generation is a lot more accepting. It would be cool to see Western male singers who identify as straight to push boundaries as well: Harry Styles for example. 

It's always been very interesting to me how much celebrities are able to influence others. The following videos touch on this subject with Taemin just being the amazing person that he is.

 

 

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Does anyone follow Ateez? I came across this skit which is basically San liking Hongjoong (romantically) and then Wooyoung confesses to San after he gets rejected. Obviously it’s not evidence or anything like that, but it’s pretty gay. 
 

 

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Go off Jo Kwon!