Which male idols do you think are gay?

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1 hour ago, citroneuse said:

This thread has become a breeding ground for armies arguing about their ships so the discussion doesn't really surprise me, unfortunately. I'd love for anyone to try to justify why discussing what man they think bts babies the most is relevant to their sexuality.

thats literally the whole thread nowadays lmao

I love discussing bts too but like it's the same conversations people are having about the same moments over and over again? they all revolve around about 3 members of the group too?? like i'm all for having discussions when there's new moments (like when yoongi felt safe enough to confess that he basically wrote fanfic about 2 male celebrities he liked when he was younger... but even that wasn't mentioned often)
The whole "he acts baby so he must be gay" thing is exhausting. 

i also get if you only like one group that you don't want to participate in convos around other idols.... but there's so much happening for lgbtq+ people in SK at the moment, especially in terms of media representation (the influx of new gay webdramas some of which starring IDOLS? and mainstream dramas like Run On, Record of Youth and Hi bye Mama portraying gay characters and relationships as normal) and none of it gets mentioned lol

You can see now that major Korean companies attitudes towards lgbtq+ people are slowly changing, there is now representation that was unthinkable even 2 years ago. This is bound to trickle down and affect everyone, including idols - I think it's important that we highlight that every now and again

 

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Here's some important things that happened that weren't discussed:


• Wish You starring MYNAME's Insoo & IMFACT's Lee Sang became the first Korean LGBTQ+ media to be released worldwide on Netflix
 

 

 

 

• Member of predebut kpop group WOW Yoon Daro identifies as genderfluid. Here is their instagram

 

 

• Color Rush (Starring Hur Hyunjun formally Hwall from The Boyz) became one of Viki's most viewed web series within weeks of it's premiere.
 

• To My Star has become the first Korean LGBTQ+ themed contents to air on China's WeTV platform. NewKidd's Jin Kwon is among the cast
 

• Hit Webtoon Semantic Error is going to be turned into a web drama that will air the first half of this year. The production company are behind several famous KDrama's like 'Extraordinary You' and 'Zombie Detective.'
Rumours that idols have been cast as leads are circulating but no official casting news yet
 

•  You Make Me Dance will air next month and is from the same creators as Where Your Eyes Linger and Mr.Heart. Bigflo's Lex is among the cast. 
 

Reminder that the first Korean series featuring a gay couple as it's lead (WYEL) only aired in 2020???? and even then we all thought that idols would never be involved in openly lgbtq+ media. But now, there are more and more movies and web series being filmed and idols have been involved in all of them since.
like does anyone else find this crazy?? I never thought i'd see this, I can't believe the progress in such a short space of time

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

I see it more like China in this situation. Gay dramas, gay books ok, but real gay people are not approved. 

I completely disagree.

China has a ban on gay characters in movies and TV shows. In fact, according to their TV censorship laws all  “abnormal sexual relationships” are banned from being on screen. There hasn't been a gay series since Addicted Heroin and it was the catalyst for all of the censorship. Production companies are still trying to profit off of BL fangirls but series like The Untamed, Seizing Dreams and Liu Yao are entirely censored as to make the relationship platonic.
Books featuring lgbtq+ characters or themes are also banned and you will only find "danmei" on sites that the government hasn't managed to find and block yet. 

However, outside of the censored media, the chinese government has been looking at petitions to legalise same-sex marriage and there was significant steps forward in that area.There are Chinese idols/actors/streamers who are out and have large fanbases and support, China's support network and support groups for LGBTQ+ people are much, much stronger than Korea's.

Their movies, tv shows, textbooks, books and censorship policies are harsh but everything is surface level. In China, you are less likely to lose your job if you come out, laws allow legal gender transitioning. Gay couples can adopt (!!!) and co-parent legally using the "guardianship agreement" law (You can not do this in any circumstances in Korea) Conversion therapy is prolific in Korea but in China, courts side with LGBTQ+ people and if you look at surveys, in the general population, China is much more open to reforms. Having lived in both countries (only for a few months in China but still) Korea is much, much worse socially and this is because Korea clings to it's weird, cult-like forms of christianity

Edited January 24, 2021 by blossoms

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31 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

For untamed etc, their novels were allowed, and even has scenes where its R18. You are comparing Webdramas with TV dramas so ofc there is a striking difference, they wouldnt show many things on Netflix too due to its nature on TV. There are also HUGE websites where primary aim is writing, and those are never banned, easily found and you can talk with authors as well. With China and media, you are not allowed to show anything that might harm children in general, this includes MANY things, from too real blood to gore to anything govt deem too sexual. However, as long as media is banned to anyone under legal age, webdramas are absolutely fine, like the ambiguous focus or kinetics story, which to my knowledge released and shown. I guess issue here is how much "protection" they deem children will need.

For rest of your writing I agree, I think China is showing some incredible improvement most are missing out. Which is a happy occasion, I hope with time, they can allow same-sex marriage as well. 

The Untamed is classed as pornography in China and it's illegal, that doesn't mean you can't get it, but it means, yet again that on the surface level, China are trying to be seen as banning these things whilst actually not making them that inaccessible. 
 

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"The Chinese government classifies danmei with explicit erotic scenes as pornographic content. Pornography is illegal in China although the exact laws regarding its possession and distribution are blurry."

Only a few months ago, the government DID shut down many of these online novel sites, they banned A03 too  as many Chinese fans were using it to post their stories.

I know all about China's censorship laws, they even ban mentions to witchcraft and time travel but I don't understand your point about webdramas vs tv dramas? Yes there might be non-lgbtq+ chinese webdramas that feature blood or whatever but China's last gay webseries was addicted, there has never been any since and on dramas that air on TV, you will certainly find no mentions of gay people or relationships.
Korea has not had any mainstream TV dramas with gay characters as LEADS but plenty where there are lgbtq+ characters and many times they are in big supporting roles (Reply 1997, Moment at Eighteen, Love with Flaws and the ones I mentioned last time) this is in addition to the many webdramas with leading gay characters. 
There are NO mainland chinese webdramas since Addicted in 2016,  plenty from Taiwan but Taiwan is the most lgbtq friendly nation in Asia and a different entity with different laws.

I don't understand how they are fine with gay webdramas when they changed censorship laws because of the last one and banned the actors from even being in the same room together. if you can point me in the direction of the lgbtq+ Chinese webdramas that you are referring to, I'd be grateful?

edit: Kinematics Theory is a movie that has been censored, The Ambiguous Focus is also classed as a movie though it was cut up to make 6 episodes later, it never aired legally in china

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16 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

Oh I know AO3 issue, however I was talking about here:

http://www.jjwxc.net/

 

which is the biggest novel websites about LGBT to my knowledge. 

I did not consider smaller roles thats my mistake o.o  I also did not know Ambiguous focus is never aired when i saw it get mentioned here and there on Weibo. For untamed, fans were very extreme, thats why companies themselves objected as well to my knowledge. Otherwise I saw interestingly BL novels getting animes these days, nothing too extreme is shown till now but TGCF seems to hint relationship here and there if it helps. Since international websites always had access to many dramas, I did not realise many dramas I know are banned, which is sad rip

About witchcraft etc, they ban incorrect history, some transmigration stories, magic, time travel, hell in some situations space. Thats why I said i dont think its mainly focused on banning LGBT but banning literally everything. 

I do still think they show some improvement however, but maybe less than I hoped. If I was a chinese director with interest towards LGBT movie hm, i would release it directly under taiwan now 

Yeah all of the ones that we can gain access to and the ones made before 2016 are banned in China, they have no legal access to them. This is why they aren't making them anymore, they are only making these bromance ones that can get past the censors. after all, it would make no sense for a chinese production team to spend all of the money to make a drama and then the huge chinese audience cannot watch it, not money efficient at all.
in fact, Chinese companies and agencies tend to sponsor shows being made in Taiwan and Thailand instead.

and you are right that the site you linked (Jinjiang Literature City) is the biggest online story website and it does have "bl" stories, the site has crackdowns every so often and in 2019, they shut down 2 of the BL sections of the site, the crackdown was so big, no new story or chapters could get published on the entire site for 2 weeks, since then danmei is officially not allowed on the site. (source)

but yeah, in terms of media, China is the worst, but life for lgbtq+ in China is improving. In Korea, representation in media is exploding across all platforms but there is still very little progress in terms of rights. All we can do is hope that more representation means more people exposed and educated and little by little, attitudes will change enough to pass life-changing laws.

Edited January 24, 2021 by blossoms

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so I had never seen this video until today and I can’t believe he did that

 

 

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1 hour ago, MJr said:

I think one should be careful in calling pics of male idols that show off their bodies and whatever... This is about that Wonho pic, and don't get me wrong I think he has enough tea for people to make an informed guess about which way(s) he may swing

With Wonho's case I think it's important to remember that Wonho literally thinks a large portion of his value as an idol is his body. He truly works so hard to keep his body looking like that as he is naturally a very skinny person. He is honestly borderline obsessed with building muscle and diet/supplements etc to the point that his members and fans would worry about him and reassure him that he's lovely the way he is. It is easy to understand why he thinks like this as when he started to bulk up, he suddenly got big recognition from the public and other idols began to praise him and mention him in broadcasts. His body then became one of the most important things to starship who wanted him to keep this very specific level of body muscle and his management were constantly asking him to lose weight, then gain it and so on. 
After his solo debut, it was not the song or his voice that blew up, but a tiktok using clips from his mv, of him dancing in a crop top to another artist's song while the video zoomed in on his abs and the comments were all "omg i didnt know kpop boys could look like that" etc.

I've been a MX fan for 6 years and from other things I don't think Wonho is straight, he has said things to the effect of being bisexual - But him taking a picture of his body but not including his face just screams to me what he thinks is most important and where he thinks his value is  

Edited February 8, 2021 by blossoms

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21 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

You know, it seems my wonho post is very controversial here. Why is that? I mean we have posted in the past half clothed idols before, why is this picture so different? 

And as much as I respect everyone's opinion on over sexualised idols and how sexist is can all be. Which of course is a real issue, I just don't think wonho sees himself that way and equates his muscles with how he values himself. 

Are you a MX fan? have you seen him talking about the issue in their variety shows? have you seen the times he's collapsed on stage because he used to dehydrate himself?

The way wonho is posing is only attractive for men and not women? like wtf is that??
so gender dictates what people find or don't find attractive? - that is not only incorrect but a harmful way of thinking. Not to mention that the pictures were not taken by Wonho but a female staff member so your "parts that he thinks is attractive" thing is completely redundant lmao

Edited February 9, 2021 by blossoms

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so I started watching Chuang 2021 and there was some absolute scenes that I can't believe they broadcast on mainstream Chinese TV
 

 

 

ALSO just if you guys were curious, To My Star (Korean BL Drama) ratings last week on the main Korean and Japanese viewing platforms were CRAZY. It's the first Korean BL series to have such viewership in Korea itself.

Naver Series (Korea) 2nd real-time (17:00 UTC), 3rd daily (12/02), 4th weekly and It scored better than True Beauty and the Uncanny Counter....

On Rakuten TV (Japan) - 1st daily (12/02), 3rd monthly (02), 8th for the ENTIRE season (huge)

It is doing so well that the movie ver is scheduled for an international netflix release
 

 

Edited February 21, 2021 by blossoms

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This is just a small thing, but its still nice. Xion (oneus in general) have always been open and supportive
 

 

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3 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

 

Yeobo’ (여보) is just a common pronoun (or word) for one’s husband. It is kinda weird when you say this to your boyfriend or fiance, since it is for your ‘husband.’ While in USA women just call her husband’s name when calling them, but in Korea, ‘Yeobo’ is the way to go. I mean some people might call their husband by his name but it’s pretty rare. So Jungkook didn't use this word because he has someone in his life, he has to be married to get used to it. He just confused the words, which is already evident in the video, corrected himself.

여보 doesn't mean husband, it is genderless and means something akin to 'darling' or 'honey' and is typically used in married couples, but like how we use these words, those who are dating use it for fun as do friends who are playing around.

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23 minutes ago, shineestan said:

Pls im begging half of you to actually talk about what this thread it actually about FOR ONCE.

Nine was an actor in 2Moons2 and currently is on Chuang 2021 

 

Nine is an icon!! There are so many idols on Chuang worth discussing. I thought that Han Peiquan's audition were he talked about how he has been bullied for "being himself" and for "playing a female character" was a particularly important moment, especially when the mentor's were giving him advice and cheering him on. 

and also these two kings are just the moment

also i am yet AGAIN begging those who just want to talk about BTS twitter drama to simply make another thread 

Edited March 9, 2021 by blossoms

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15 minutes ago, shineestan said:

I love Yetao and Bayi SM! I really like what Yetao said about challenging what it means to be in a bg but bc of his appearance he get's constantly misgendered by fans which is not nice. There seems to be like this whole crew of trainees that stick together with like Yetao, bayi, Liuyu, Nine, oscar which.... interesting 

omg the absolute facts you just spilled

Oscar is so interesting to me because he's the only one out of them who has this bro-persona too. Like when he's with Caelan or Keyu for example he acts all bro and hyper masculine rapper and then when he's with Liuyu and Yetao......
 

just homie things

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2 minutes ago, shineestan said:

Oscar is super interesting to me bc of this, I think it's kinda cute tbh

Obvs  another trainee who is sus is like Rikimaru

omfg ive never seen this video that is absolutely WILD he's so whipped?? the bit at the end were the obviously didn't know they were in the shot....
I also saw that Oscar had chosen to sit next to Yetao on the bus to their shooting and not with AK which I thought was super interesting too, especially since AK looked as though he expected him to.

Yes Rikimaru, Liu Yu, Nine, Yetao, Bayi, Oscar, Peiquan, Lin Mo, Shao Mingming (even tho I cant stand his ass)... even Santa and Patrick give me vibes... tbh as others have said before Chuang truly gives off the most gay vibes of any idol produce season ever - I think it's because there is so much content and they give them so much freedom, so more of their personalities shine through
 

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22 minutes ago, shineestan said:

Nine dodged that question lmao

lmaoooo he did what he had to do, Idk how anyone could think that mans has any interest in girls.  Especially with his Liu Yu agenda

 

But yes Rikimaru for sure, no straight man could ever

 

 

God i need to be stopped I could discuss and analyse these boys for days. they've just given us so much content and none of them are holding back WHATSOEVER.. 
I do think its such a big deal that this is mainstream Chinese media and they aren't censoring any of it

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 Oscar being incredibly sus and more in on how on earth did this pass the chinese censors
 

 

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i'm back again with my cpop updates no one cares about lmao

On Chinese survival show, Youth With You (QCYN3) trainee IKELILI is out as gay and has a boyfriend, this is common knowledge amongst his fans both international and chinese, he is a popular trainee and is constantly ranked in the top 20 of the show and has over 9 million weibo followers. He first became popular when he was younger by making 'ugly makeup' videos and he's also slated to appear in a big budget fantasy drama!

 

him and his bf:

honestly there are many trainees on chinese survival shows where the fact they are gay isn't a secret, its just not said out loud. The boys do not feel the need to change their behaviour or appear "masculine", this has been so refreshing to see
 

also on survival show of the century CHUANG 2021, these boys did THAT on national chinese television on the most popular reality airing and it wasn't censored.. i find them so interesting because oscar doesn't let any of the other trainees touch him and in the first episode said "he's the prettiest boy ive ever seen" when yetao walked in...they r dating ur honor
 

 

Nine who was a main in a Thai BL drama and has openly stated that he "would be in a relationship with a boy" is also a popular trainee ranked within top 20 and is just OUT HERE

Trainee Zheng Teng for his audition sung a thai song made for gay drama 'I Told Sunset About You'  and other trainees sung 'Unbreakable Love' which has been going viral due to it being the OST of Taiwanese BL series 'We Best Love' All of this was broadcasted and nothing censored
 

 

venturing into cpop has made me realise how different it is, there are cpop idols who are out and have fans and their sexuality doesn't matter? kpop could never

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1 minute ago, shineestan said:

I know this is the gay thread and not the lesbian one but Liu Meng from Chuang 2020 was an out lesbian like her and her ex were a popular couple of weibo and people would use their pics as couple DPs. 

the difference is crazy, if they were trainees on korean survivals and these things got found out it would be the death of their careers/biggest scandal of the year but in cpop it doesn't really matter,  companies and fans still support them regardless

its made me realise how much LGBTQ+ kpop idols must be regulating their own behaviour and words every second in front of fans and cameras, it makes me so sad. korea is a much more homophobic country than china and no one can change my mind

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on the 3racha vlive today, changbin (skz) played some of his unreleased song called “im sorry for liking you”

and said about it "suppose you like someone a lot whos your friend...but youre scared to confess because you dont want to ruin your friendship. you feel like liking them is wrong."
the lyrics include the word 죄가 which translates to 'sin' in the religious sense of the word.and the sentence "i tried not to make it obvious, but its all showing"

 

 

also when they played the song, changbin looked quite nervous and uncomfortable? it was very different from how he acted when the others played their songs
 

it might be nothing but a lot of people are discussing it on twitter, especially how the word 죄가 isn't common in song lyrics and also that he chose to do this song as a duet with Seungmin (who is most commonly thought of by fans as not straight) 

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his comments are amazing, he had such courage to come out and i'm glad the knetz response isn't overly damning
 

 

 

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dunno what was going on with these two today but it's all over twitter - the way these two interact is quite interesting to me, anyone have any thoughts?

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18 minutes ago, qiqi said:

I want to know about jun.Because some clues are normal to the Chinese,Just cultural differences.

caí xukun and Wang yibo are straight.

Oscar and Hu yetao are lover.

Some idols from SNH48 have come out of the closest, but that's another topic.

Helloo, i'm an Oscar fan - i thought this during the time Chuang was airing too, both of them had such a cute relationship
but I haven't seen anything about their relationship after the show (except for them meeting up once and mentioning the other very occasionally) 

So i started to think that it was just a CP they tried to promote in order to raise their popularity, especially because I think Oscar really values Yetao and his talents (which many people didn't see) so wanted to help him rise up the ranks.

How are you sure they are lovers? was there something I missed lol

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1 hour ago, qiqi said:

1.Hu Yetao mentioned in the interview that he encountered many difficulties in Chuang, but he was still very happy because he met someone he liked.

2.Oscar supported gender freedom in other interviews.

"I hope everyone can be with the people they love. It's not about gender, it's not about anything. "

3.In his letter to Hu Yetao in Chuang, Oscar said: "Even if one day the world abandons you, I will stand behind you and support you. It doesn't matter whether you have long hair or not, because you are the only you in the world. "

4.Other Chuang's players often cue both of them in the live broadcast . For too many times, just give a simple example: 
Zhang Xinrao: Hu Yetao hesitates when he (Oscar) is mentioned.

5.In the program, Hu Yetao asked Oscar to tattoo a butterfly on his body. After the game, he really tattooed a butterfly on his body

6.The two went to buy perfume and see the concert. Encountered by fans.

There are many, many, including dyeing nails with each other's name, some live conversations, hugging in the finals…

PS：I'm sorry that there may be some grammar problems and translation errors.

ahh omg thank you for all of the details, it is so hard to find information about them now than Chuang has ended, most of the fans who translated the content into english have now moved onto other survival shows

about his butterfly tattoo, we just found out about that today! i completely forgot yetao asked him to get it!!!

I saw the thing he said about gender, it made me so happy, this is why i am a fan of him, I love the way he thinks and I love that he isn't afraid to paint his nails and defy gender stereotypes. Bisexual/pansexual king 
i'm so happy to hear that him and Yetao are still close and are still going on outings together, if they are dating, I hope they can be happy for a long time 


as for Junhui, I agree with the others that he has always seemed interested in boys more than girls to me, but I would like to hear why you don't think so, because I don't speak Mandarin and don't know Chinese culture so well, i might not be getting the full picture

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interesting