Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Shaandenigma]

Does anyone even know how chefsuke and Sehun know each other? I mean can people explain why Sehun is taking a 40 year old chef with him on vacations and everywhere he goes... (I cant think of any other reasons besides being in a relationship)

Exactly, it's strange that they spend so much time together when they have that large of an age gap and are in two totally different industries. They'd have to make an effort to continuously cross paths with each other and develop the kind of close relationship they have. In regard to chefsuke being married, I only doubt it because it is really brazen to be so out there with the trips, outings, skinship, etc., but there are a lot of dumbass dudes out here having very obvious affairs like they are trying to get caught or it could be a marriage of convenience so can't completely rule out the possibility.

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I used to report  bad comments  but I don't really check his IG anymore and don't have time to call everyone out so I thought speaking out against the negative narrative would help. I'm glad most of you are against it and wish people wouldn't get mad at me for trying to help someone out. 

What "negative narrative" is being spread here though? The focus is on whether they are together or not, and chefsuke is only brought up in relation to Sehun. The cheating thing is also only brought up when someone comes in with the "he's married" hit-and-run as one of many scenarios that would not preclude them from having a relationship even if he was (which I doubt, because marriages are public record in most places and if you can dig up a random picture, you can dig up the wife's name). No one has ever suggested that he's taking advantage of Sehun either, so don't know where that came from.

 

And this isn't directed specifically at you, but in general: why is this thread blamed for everything? Like some people act as though no one would ever speculate or think the people who get brought up here were gay if it weren't for us "projecting our fantasies/delusions/Western ideas." Now, no one would be jumping to conclusions and harassing chefsuke about his suspect relationship with Sehun if it weren't for us speculating on their public posts and stuff that didn't even originate on this thread?

 

And one last thing I've wanted to rant about: just because you think two people might be mutually attracted to each other and/or may have something going on does not automatically mean you "ship" them. Like would anyone really put Sehun and Chefsuke together without all of the things suggesting that they may be in a relationship? People don't usually pair someone up with someone twice their age if they aren't primed to see a romantic relationship there. Sometimes a pair gets brought up not to prove they are a real couple but as an example of one or both's attraction to the same sex, and reasonable inferences and observations just get brushed off as delusional shipping. It's annoying.

[Shaandenigma]

I'm not a fan of Nuest personally even if I knew them before produce 101. Can someone explain me why they think Ren is gay. Is it just bc he is feminine or??

I'm bad at keeping track of receipts but there have been interviews where when Ren has been asked about his feminine styling he said he liked it and enjoyed the attention he got from men who thought he was a woman. There have also been instances where the group has hinted at him not being straight. There was one appearance on After School Club where they bring up the ships and fanfics, and when either Eric or Kevin specifically said "male-male relationships" they all shot knowing looks to Ren and Aron gave him a "it's alright" hug. Granted they could have done that because like 90% of the Nu'est material involves Ren with one of the other members, but it was a still suspicious and it seem like they quickly switched gears. There was also this moment with the lie detector:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P2yXgoNIXw

 

Baekho was clearly trying to set Ren up to fail the test and get shocked by asking which girl group caught his attention sexually, then JR tries to change the question to be merciful. Then when Ren gets shocked, JR is like "well this isn't accurate anyway." 

 

There's also how much he loves and admires Lady Gaga, especially Born This Way (his IG was bornthisren). They're a hard group to analyze though because they are pretty private, don't really have suspicious moments outside of the group, and post-PD101, they've gotten a lot more conservative and careful. Overall, I think Ren and JR are gay, Baekho gives me a bi vibe, Aron is probably straight, and Minhyun I can't read.

 

Sidenote: Does anyone have anything on MYNAME Seyong from The Unit? I don't know what it is exactly about him that pings to me, but my gaydar goes of big time everytime I see him on screen even though he's not really saying or doing anything suspect? 

[Shaandenigma]

Taeyong and Ten were giving the gays everything we want in that last VLive im living. 

 

Nah for real, Ten was so shippy and TY showed a modicum of playing along so I'm glad my NCT gay children are finally clicking. 

They haven't been subbed yet, but all I can gather from the random English was they are in the Ukraine, went on a brunch date, Ten is blonde now, the new ship name is TxT, and Ten finds it (something) romantic?

 

Praying for a full NCT U comeback or something so we can get some more of this.

 

 

 

 

Same here! I didn't follow myname before the unit but I stumbled upon this

 

 

It doesn't prove anything but he knows Hong Seok Cheon

 

Thank you! I'm glad I have some behavior to support my suspicions because I was going mostly off his mannerisms which I wouldn't exactly call effeminate or flamboyant, but like dramatic flair? The way he carries himself and addresses other people comes off kinda divaish...and I'm here for it. I also watched one of their music videos where they have all these hot girls hanging off of them and he was not selling it AT ALL.

 

Isn't Chaejin friends with Key? I feel like he's been brought up before in reference to him. 

 

The Unit has been a blessing in drawing my attention to all these other idols to be speculated on. I need more tea on MVP Rayoon. He gets no screen time but some of the behind the scenes material and A.C.E. Jun revealing that Rayoon kissed him and he got flustered is eyebrow raising. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

This isn't firm evidence, but I found this reaction of The Boyz Kevin and Jacob to Sam Kim showing up at their cafe amusing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELdE3QQWItg

Jacob especially looks lovestruck. There also seems to be some subtext between Kevin and Jacob like they are in on something everyone else sans maybe Eric doesn't know about. i think they have a lot more in common than just singing, dancing, and being Canadian if you know what I mean  .

Edited January 29, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

I'm curious. 

 

I know there is no criteria for determining if anyone is non-heterosexual but...

 

I ask everyone the following question:

 

What is one thing or the first thing you look for when trying to figure out if an idol (or anyone) is non-heterosexual?

 

I mean... What is the most convincing criteria that makes you think an idol (or anyone) is non-heterosexual?

The most convincing thing is when they go out of their way to signal an interest in or draw attention from the same sex. See Jackson as an example of someone who takes every opportunity presented to flirt with and swoon over a man. That's the closest you can get without someone just directly coming out. What initially sets off my gaydar though varies, it's mostly body language or interactions in certain contexts.

 

Ok, if we're going to argue about fetishizing queer people...I feel the need to say this. Supporting someone because they're queer isn't fetishizing. I think people are getting confused about what exactly that word means. The whole "don't just do it because they're gay!" argument is something said by straight people in line with other "I don't see color/sexuality" bs. As long as you're not doing it for your own satisfaction, I don't care if someone is straight or not, supporting someone who's queer because they're queer is allyship, not fetishization. And if we're going to talk about actual fetishization, its not crazy fangirls perpetuating that stuff, its kpop itself. I'm sorry, but I've lurked on this thread a long time and seen many (rightful) complaints against crazy fans, but only once or twice have I seen people actually mention the industry itself. Kpop is the thing that sells queerbait to these fans, we're talking about an industry that makes groups pass a piece of paper to each other with their mouths on TV as a "game." I'm not excusing "oppa has to be straight" fans, but the obsession with gay people (especially gay men) is a product of the marketing kpop employs, not just isolated craziness. Personally I think its more productive to discuss the root problem rather than the symptoms.

 Yes, and the queerbaiting the industry engages in warps the perceptions of Korean culture in the minds of non-Koreans and it reinforces stereotypes about Asian men in the west. Like I saw some video where people were shipping BoA with KEY of all people, and someone commented "but isn't he thought to be gay," and this pressed fangirl flipped out saying "just because he is feminine and into fashion doesn't make him gay! That's just how Korean men are!" Like no girl, not all Korean men are effeminate and into fashion, and that's not even the reason people think he's gay. 

 

It's not even feeding an obsession with actual gay people with how homophobic these fans continue to be, but the titilation from seeing something taboo while simultaneously asserting the subjects overall desirability ("oh this guy is so hot, even other men can't help fall in love") and presenting homosexuality as a joke. It's really gross.

[Shaandenigma]

The fact that they choose Key for that documentary should be a hint in itself imo. Just like Heechul can hug all the girls and no one bats an eye. It's obvious that there isn't any ambiguity between them. Even BoA qualifies him as "dainty" (according to the subs at least), which... she wouldn't do if it was "all Korean men". 

 

It reminds me of that video with Amber where she tells him he's fabulous and he agrees.

 

 

(8'35)

The video was entitled something like "BoA confesses her true feelings about Key" when in the interview she explicitly said they developed a close noona-dongsaeng relationship so how that translates to them being suited romantically was already deluded. And that video with Amber reminded me of how they used to get shipped together because "she's butch and he's femme so they would match well"  . And we're the delusional ones who need to stay grounded in reality

[Shaandenigma]

"Keyber" is hilarious. 

"Yunboa" comes close. 

Key and BoA is... an interesting mix? I guess? 

I'm waiting for Jo Kwon and HyunA

[Shaandenigma]

There is so many problematic things about this video that I honestly don't know where to start, I don't follow this guy at all and just saw that he commented on Holland's debut that's why I watched it. The guy thinks he is some specialist when it comes to Korea and their culture but when he talks about lgbt shoving their sexuality down people's throat, or how koreans are actually happy with hiding their sexuality and living in the closet, painting Korea as almost the most gay friendly country in the world (I'm not saying that younger generation didn't change but Korea as a country is still homophobic as hell) I ask myself where is he getting all those informations from because I have lgbt friends living in Korea, one has been living there for almost 10 years and his opinions are completely different.

I was just reading about this over on PULL (here's the link to a written summary of the video if you're curious, but you won't be giving his nonsense views) and was about to go in, but I'm trying to have an enjoyable evening in. I used to watch him until the Kyla incident when he revealed himself as a self-hating edgelord with an over inflated ego. Lately, sharing his unsolicited ignorant and regressive opinions and caping for the status quo (while benefiting from the very social justice movements he complains about) is his brand. His own music ambitions have been a flop so now I guess he's trying to become the new Milo based out of Korea.

[Shaandenigma]

 

The whole video was basically "I'm a privileged twat, why isn't everyone like me?"

This comment is rich because his whole schtick is playing to a gay sass queen stereotype and openly thirsting to ride Wonho's D. His fans are so dense, ugh.

[Shaandenigma]

 

English is my 4th language. And the only reason I learned it was because of tv. + I am shit at talking, writing, communicating with anybody.

So sorry if you misunderstood what I meant. But my grandfather does not hate gay people. He does not hate me. He is friends with this other old dude who is gay and they meet up at the shopping mall every day and talk along with other old people. He is a liberal who is religious. He believes god doesn’t, what should I say, accept homosexuality?. But he himself does accept it. He doesn’t care much tbh. He did have this “bias†tho. He believed all gay men were super feminine. And he didnt like that much. He still doesn’t tbh. But then I came out to him and, well, let’s just say he was shocked. So now he believes “most†gay men are feminine I guess. Which is an improvement. So that’s what I mean when I say he isn’t really a homophobe. Not in my opinion at least. My bar for labeling someone as that are very high.

And the voting thing. Dude. My grandfather is liberal as hell. Much more than conservative me. We often have political debates too. I actually think he is the only liberal person I have met who actualy wants to listen to the opposite side.

 

So. Edward... I still do not understand how any of your ears heard what you heard in that video. Honestly. He didn’t say anything offensive. I really think you all misunderstood. What he said about the shoving it in everyones faces, I think, is more about him not liking the whole, mentioning I am gay every five minutes thing. Or making your whole identity around the fact that you are gay. Or the I am a victim mentality.

Which of course there are “victimsâ€. In countries who is still quite conservative. And if there is shitty people around you. But in places where you have all your rights and most people are accepting of you. Then who is stopping you.

I cannot think of a single time I have been treated differently for being gay. And I have been out since I was 13. Or 12 if you count me joking about being in love with my best friend at swimming practice. And honestly it was a joke btw. I just found it incredibly funny at the time because i was joking about being gay, but I was actually gay you know. XD

Anyways. I think Edward values personality and hobby’s over who you like. And I agree. If I were to introduce myself I wouldn’t even think of saying I was gay. Because why would I. A straight person wouldn’t say they were straight when introducing themselves. What I value is personality. That’s how you get to know someone. Not through sexuality or race.

And he didn’t mean being feminine was shoving it in people’s faces. (Dude is feminine himself). He meant the people who basically only talk about their sexuality. And force acceptance on others. You will never get anyone to agree with you by taking away their free speech and telling them they will go to jail for disagreeing. That will only push them away. And worse. Becoming a conservative like me. ;)

 

Okay. So he never said being gay was offensive. NEVER. XD Oh, I find this funny. How can you lie when there literary is multiple people here who has also watched the video. Wow. And he did say it was good to have representation. (Another lie of yours.) He said if we wanted more gay people to come out we should support Holland. Because then others would feel more safe knowing they would be backed too.

 

And to the thing you said about lgbt people sitting down and stop hurting straight people with their existence. What? That is not what I meant at all. Like, honestly, do you really think that is what I meant? And do you honestly think forcing people who disagree with you to change their minds is going to work.

They may keep their thoughts to themselves but they doesn’t change. If you want to change someone’s mind it is by educating them or just simply showing them you are like any other person. I did the latter and I’m doing great in all the minds I have changed.

I’m not acting like a victim. So I am not. I chose that. The people around me tells me they used to have biases. But by me being myself I have erased a lot of them. I don’t need to talk about me being gay all of the time, and how the world is against me. Because I don’t let it be against me.

And that is what I think Edward thinks too. He doesn’t see himself as a victim, and therefore all the micro homobobia doesn’t mean anything. You can choose to want to see it or not. Same as me.

Honestly. I understand where you all are coming from when you say this and that is homophobic. But I don’t see it as something worthy to be angry over. Or offended. In ten years this small thing will be gone. And it won’t be gone because of people forcing it away. Because opinions can’t be forced away. It will be gone because of lgbt people being more common. And people knowing lgbt people and realizing they are just like any other person. No one is telling you to be quiet. So please don’t twist my words.

 

And what did you say? Shame on people who think like me? I want conversations. You want to force opinions on people.

I would rather change peoples minds with my actions rather silencing those who does not agree with me.

And I would fight for those who does not agree with me to call me faggot all they want. Same as I would fight for you to have the right to mean what you mean. Free speech. It is for everybody. The homophobes and the SJWs. I may not agree with either of you but your opinions are just as important to me.

 

And once again. My grandpa does not hate gays. He just thinks they are going to hell. He does not want them to. But he believes in the damn book ok.

 

And go to the gay thread to defend homophobic behavior? Dude. I have been here since I was 13. (Almost got brainwashed too.)

And I really don’t think I was defending homophobic behavior. I just don’t find Edwards video offensive or disgusting. I didn’t find it homophobic either. So I shared my opinion on the matter.

And my grandfather. You could say he is kind of homophobic because of his bias towards feminine gays, but honestly I don’t find it a problem at all. Because he does not force anything on to others. It’s an opinion he has and he respects everyone around him. And I guess what I was trying to say was. “Here is an actual homophobic person (kind of) and honestly, it doesn’t have to be a problem.â€

 

And the downvoting thing. I guess I feel like downvoting is more for you know the actual “you can’t say ———— is gay†people, and you know the actual homophobes. Which if you are actually actually reading this, you’ll know. I’m no self hating gay homophobe who thinks the “all gay people should burn in hell†homophobes who are actually saying real hateful things and maybe even acting on it should be heard.

I just think maybeee you shouldn’t be shutting everyone you don’t agree with down and instead have an actual conversation.

I also think that maybe you should not assume where my grandfather stands politically, or who has “internalized homophobiaâ€.

 

But hey, that’s just my opinion. ;)

I know I wrote a LOT (I don’t know how to put this under the spoiler thing), but I always feel like I have to over explain myself to not be misunderstood. Which I kind of knew I would be if I ever commented here. But well... Life as a kind of conservative gay is hard when 90% of the gays hate you for liking conversations. XD

 

I'm spoilering this response so anyone who is over this conversation can move along:

 

First off, no one is forcing an opinion on anyone or shutting down discussion. Edward and yourself put forward an opinion and people disagree with it and are challenging your viewpoints by explaining exactly what points they disagree with and why. That is a discussion. If you want to just say speak out into the void and not have to defend your views, don't put them out in a public forum. That's the price of free speech, you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean everyone has to condone it and not use their free speech to say something back.

 

Secondly, homophobia, like other -phobias and -isms isn't just about individuals' "feelings" or what "is in someone's heart." I don't care that your grandfather believes that you and I are going to hell for being gay. I do care however that his and other likeminded individuals' beliefs influence them to not vote in suppport of employment discrimination protections that prevent employers from firing people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity (which is completely legal in the vast majority of states in the U.S.) because that has a direct impact on my and others' livelihood and economic survival. I care that those beliefs lead to teenagers being kicked out of their homes ending up the streets, putting an added strain on the social services paid for with my tax dollars, or caught up in human trafficking. No one lives in a vacuum and these decisions do have real impacts on other people and it's not because they have "chosen" to be a victim. These insidious views shape society not only culturally, but in the structure of our legal system and that's where the problem lies. You don't need to violently attack or have extreme hatred in your heart to cause and perpetuate harm to groups of people.

 

Finally, there has not been one social change in the history of humanity that was not precipitated by people vocally and aggressively challenging the status quo. People literally paid with their lives to bring about the shift in society that allows you to live a life generally unbothered by the haters and that allows Edward to make a living off crappy Kpop inspired makeup "looks", gay minstrelsy, and Milo Yiannopoulos-esque controversial opinions while living abroad in a homophobic country where he would otherwise be unable to support himself as an openly gay man. Media representation plays a huge role too in helping to shift people's opinions to be in favor of change.

 

[Shaandenigma]

for those interested/annoyed by Edward Avila’s ongoing foolishness

This isn’t strictly about kpop but he does mention Holland. Ivan is a great example of what a good youtube role model is. The video is long but I think it’s worth watching. It’s basically his rebuttal to Edward’s video

 

 

 

 

I was just watching this! From around 17:00 on, it was really apparent he was shading Edward, and he did it without even referring to his trifling video. This makes me feel better about Iva because according to Joan Kim, who does videos with both of them, he introduced her to Edward, so I was skepitcal if they were actually still friends or not. I'm gonna go with no after this, or at least he ain't afraid to put his friends in check with their foolishness.

 

[Shaandenigma]

I kinda wish he said Sufjan Stevens tbh because then that would have made him a Confirmed Gayâ„¢. Honestly I know some people in here think Joshua is unlikely to be "forward" with being gay because he's religious, but I don't think this is a big factor, especially as he's from the US. Sufjan Stevens himself is a good example of this - heavily religious but lots of allusions to being gay in his songs. If he was raised in Korea I may be more inclined to think he's repressing himself but in Western societies it's not really seen as a huge taboo to be gay and religious now like it was before. I have gay Christian friends and a gay Muslim friend.

 

As a sidenote, does anyone know what denomination he's part of? Some denominations are definitely more accepting than others (I can say that as a raised Catholic lmao).

I'm spoilering because this is off topic but stil related to being gay and religious in the U.S.

 

It really depends on the denomination you belong to and where you live, how acceptable it is. Most mainline protestant denominations (like the UCC, which I grew up in, belong to, and work for; the Unitarian Universalist, the Disciples of Christ, Presbyterian USA, etc.) are more progressive leaning and if their denomination as a whole doesn't affirm LGBT people, they will have individual churches within them that do (especially if those churches are in a generally progressive area with liberal leaning parishoners). Even some Catholic churches and priests are open (though they can never say officially without the Vatican coming down on them) just because of where the parish is located and who it serves. However a lot of non-denominatinal, Evangelical churches and Southern Baptist churches are NOT LGBT-Affirming and are even in generally progressive cities. Korean American Christians tend to belong to those types of churches even though they live mostly in liberal leaning major cities, so I could see Joshua struggling with reconciling his religious beliefs and sexual orientation despite growing up in L.A. especially now living in a more conservative area.

 

Another thing to consider is that the U.S. is a Protestant country, and one of the core values we have that comes from the Reformation is "freedom on conscience" and the ability to have a direct link to God and come to your own beliefs. So in that sense, Americans are very comfortable having their own beliefs and interpretations independent of what their pastor says and will rather go to a church that aligns with what we ultimately think is right or drop out altogether. So there are a lot of gay Christians who have Christian beliefs and either go to an accepting church, or more commonly, don't go to church at all and avoid organized religion. 

 

I could go on forever about this because my parents are ministers, and this is literally what I do for a living, but I'm going to stop here.

 

[Shaandenigma]

Sorry this is a bit OT

 

Roughly half of Americans identify as Protestant, and only about 20% go to church regularly, so I don't know if I'd call it "a Protestant country," especially since separation of church and state is written into the Constitution.

 

Sorry, I'm really pedantic and nerdy about this stuff, so don't take this like I'm being condescending or argumentative:

 

 

What I mean is that when the country was founded, it was overwhelmingly Protestant (all of the Founding Fathers were Protestants) and those underlying values are interwoven into American cultural values. A lot of Enlightenment thinking was influenced by the Protestant Reformation. Freedom of conscience for example underlies the "freedom of religion" in the Constitution and which was the basis for the establishment of many of the original colonies (particularly Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, etc.) which were not secular. Separation of church and state was organized to prevent having a state run church like the Anglican Church in England. That was the original intention, over time it has been interpreted to defend freedom of all religions thanks to court cases. Remember at the same time the Constitution was drafted, there was a ton of discrimination and outright banning of Catholics and Jews from living in certain places. The Founding Fathers even referred to our fundamental rights as "God given." So no, we're not explicitly Protestant as we don't have an official religion, but the secularization of the country is very recent in the scheme of American history and we're still less secular than other Western countries.

 

Also, the Protestant belief that one can be in direct relationship with God, and does not need an intermediary to read and interpret the Bible for themselves, is how you can have 50% of the population identify as Protestant, but only 20% attend church on a regular basis (and by regular they mean 1-2 times a month, not even every Sunday). That was my main point.

 

Edited February 12, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

Wait, so if Edwards's opinion is a reflection of his friends, does that mean idols themselves don't want to see LGBT rep?

Edward exaggerates his industry connections. He knows mostly nugus from small companies like Aoora and Coco. He's hung out with Jae from Day6 a couple of times, but they're not really friends. There are hundreds of idols so I'm sure there are probably some who are homophobic, but I wouldn't put much stock in what Eddy says. 

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Sidenote: I'm mad at y'all for sending me back down the rabbithole that is NCT and their gay group dynamics! Jk, not rlly. I never paid attention to the Dreamies but Jaemin and Jeno are something else. Then you have Jungwoo coming out the closet gate strong, then gay kings Ten and Taeyong...all promoting this year! It's almost TOO MUCH.

Edited February 12, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

 

OMG

 

Ok so I had my moments of doubt regarding the relathionship between jaehyun and taeyong but this can't be faked! so what happened is that doyoung and taeyong surprised jaehyun for his birthday while he was hosting his radio show 

 

https://twitter.com/manddeddiddi/status/963780362773061632

 

so brief taeyong was his birthday gift

 

https://twitter.com/nctnightnight/status/963794419320217600

 

https://twitter.com/fxxkuvapp/status/963779359671697408

 

https://twitter.com/jaehyunbom_/status/963790965935755264

 

https://twitter.com/jaehyunbom_/status/963792484047323136

We've discussed interactions in depth between these two that were actually suspect, and this was what convinced you? I thought this ship had died because I don't find them suspect together at all anymore.

[Shaandenigma]

I wasn't trying to prove they are gay because I think everyone already know that! I didn't comment about doyoung and johnny because they seem pretty straight! It's been a long time since taeyong show some affection towards jaehyun and I think what he did was very sweet, that's why I posted it here! I mean it was johnny's birthday a couple days ago and he didn't show up for the radio and he is close with johnny!

 

Anyway you probably all right it's just a cute relationship between a straight hyung and his straight dongsaeng, no homo 

 

 

lol 

Nobody said they were straight, just that one guy can get another guy a kiss on the cheek and a cake for their birthday without it meaning he is also serving up a piece of his cake as well. There is nothing suggestive in your post sis.

[Shaandenigma]

VAV. 

 

Ace is the one being hit on

What? That's so random. Who's the one supposedly hitting on him? I like their last couple of songs but don't really follow them, though I do know who Ace is because he kinda has a vibe that would attract gay guys so I could see him being hit on, but I don't know who else in the group would be coming on to him to the point he'd want to leave. Seems like they all get along pretty well. 

[Shaandenigma]

 

 

 

 

gays only event

 

 

 

Anticipate another homoerotic bop to snatch our gay asses up (like we deserve).

[Shaandenigma]

I try to sidestep these episodes of selective outrage, but when you post stuff like this:

I keep saying that BTS Jimin is probably gay, but some people still refuse to believe me.

 

WELL !!!, if Jimin is straight then HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN this pre-debut hobby of his ?

 

 

 

As Gay as it gets (and in a VERY GOOD WAY!) 

...you can't then get indignant and act persecuted when you get introduced to the kettle.

 

Also am not here for people purposely misrepresenting and shifting the goalposts to try to make some point. As has been explained, those teasers featuring the two members of the group with the largest consensus on being believed to be gay in a video with homoerotic undertones (gay-baiting marketing and all) with witty JOKE comments =/= shipping. By definition shipping is wishing/pushing/being invested in two people together in a romantic relationship. No one was shipping TaeTen or reading anything into those videos to support them as a pairing. It's disingenuous to insist otherwise.

[Shaandenigma]

Tbh i know that Lucas looks + acts like a typical hetero fuckboi, but sth tells me he isn't 100% straight?? It's just a feeling and ofc i could totally be wrong but idk I'm gonna stick with my "possibly not straight" feeling for now.

Well with this groups track record, I'm not fully writing him off. Remember how everyone thought Taeyong was the hetero fuckboi of the group when they first debuted, and look how that turned out...

[Shaandenigma]

Everytime I look at Jungwoo I'm like "damn he's Taemin's clone" and then I remember that tweet about how Taemin will "always make us feel insecure" and "draw us deeper into homosexuality" or some ish, and NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! He's the more potent Taemin!

[Shaandenigma]

i actually agree that we should try and tone down on the nct content a little, but there's no reason for this to escalate into another drawn out argument. last time it just ended with someone feeling like they had to leave this thread permanently because they weren't welcome anymore... i feel guilty about contributing to that fight and i'd rather not let it repeat again.

 

that said, it's kinda redundant to just complain about there being too much content from one group, yet still not contributing with anything from other groups yourself. i'm not saying this in a mean way, but we actually need people from different fandoms to POST STUFF from the groups they follow for there to be variety in here.

Yeah I agree that we can cut down with the NCT appreciation gifs, but I also especially agree with the bolded. I've been trying to dig up info on VAV since someone talked about that rumor (which from what I've seen just sounds like some anti concocted mess)  and I've been watching more of The Boyz to talk about them more, and it takes a lot of time an effort to find subbed content (especially for less popular groups) to do the type of analysis people come here for. If you just want to sit back and sip tea without offering up any, at least give people a lead or something to look into.

 

i agree as well tbh there’s a lot of nct things being posted that are random gifs of them with no context tbh...

 

it’s fine if there’s a bit of something interesting to discuss! like how do fans feel that SM keep teasing NCTGAY for the ifans and then not providing in order to keep knetz happy?

 

for example something almost interesting is how Jaehyun and Taeyong continue to rarely interact officially or on camera but in fan accounts of them while they were MCing today they were inseparable...

I had no real expectations that there would be any gay content so I'm not really disappointed or upset, but like why are they purposely doing these homoerotic teasers for songs that like Boss and the Dream song which aren't even sexual? I honestly don't understand anything about how SM is handling this group and who they are even trying to appeal to, but that is like a whole other topic for conversation.

 

Still cannot figure out what is the deal where Jaehyun and Taeyong are concerned. The interactions they had before on camera weren't any different from what they do and play up with other members so I don't think they have a discomfort with being shipped in general, but just with each other. I also find it interesting that as time has gone on, Taeyong has loosened up and shown more aspects of his personality, while Jaehyun seems like he's become more concerned with maintaining a particular image and closed off. That paper scroll message Taeyong wrote to Jaehyun is also noteworthy because there was so much angst to describe a friendship, especially when you're trying to downplay your closeness otherwise.

[Shaandenigma]

Jungwoo was getting a little too close to overtaking him on the throne, so he had to up the ante to remind us who really is at the top of the NCT Gay Pyramid. 

 

ok but did anyone notice the other interesting part of the vlive? from about 22 mins in... 

 

They talk about learning Korean from webtoons, Ten won't say the name of it, Taeyong jokes 'it's not weird is it?!' and then Ten has a little rant where he says:

 

'Everything is 'weird' with Ten! Ten himself is 'weird', hyung! Why do all of our members say that about me?' then Taeyong asks who, 'Johnny hyung says "you know you're crazy?[eng]" and Taeil hyung says "It's ok. Because you're [blank [blank]"'

 

What would make him 'weird' that can't be said on broadcast? 

...and get back to you.

Edited March 6, 2018 by Shaandenigma

[Shaandenigma]

Yesss I saw that. Taeyong asks him what kind of webtoons he's reading and Ten's like "it's a secret" with a smirk. First thing that came to my mind was "lol he's reading some Yaoi shit or whatever the webtoon equivalent of that is".

 

No idea what the "blank blank" was about. If anyone wants to check it out the vlive is here with eng subs and that part starts around 22:15 (the soft and sticky in my mouth part is at 5:45)

 

Watched the whole thing and there were some interesting subtle moments. After Ten said "blank blank" he sang Nega Dola to give Taeyong a hint at what he was getting at, but that song isn't really inappropriate so must be some inside thing between them. But the subtext was definitely that Ten is "weird" in an "out there and wild" kinda way. I thought the part starting around 46:20 was interesting too in that Taeyong seemed to know something about Ten and England, that Ten diverted from. Reminded me of the iconic Bangkok moment when his teacher spilled the tea everyone already knew and they had to act surprised.