Which male idols do you think are gay?

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adding onto the chanhyuk talk, he just posted a instastory with a rainbow right in the middle of it  might not mean anything, but hey, it's pride month and the colors of his rainbow are exactly the same colors+order as the official rainbow flag, what a coincidence 

 

 

okay so about chanhyuk

i remember some week ago i saw jhim dressing up as a girl on instagram with lee hi and suhyun and gahd yess, it was so awesome, not to mention i love those two girls

 

but i think he is gay, or bisexual, i cant make up my mind, because in one way he pins me as so gay, but in another way i could see him not caring about gender

anyone else have any thoughts on him, cause id love to hear some ore oppinions

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Is no one going to talk about how Hansol came out as asexual? A whole idol!

https://twitter.com/minniexo_614/status/898799158752034817

Im so happy like Yay for him

 

It takes alot to come out, i hope he just doesnt take in all the hate, Cause asexuality isnt even very accepted in the lgbt community

 

Im proud^^

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Hi! So ive been lurking, reading alot, cause ive been bored and nostalgic. I used to read and write here alot a long time ago and a cool difference ive noticed is the culture of talking about fanservice and shipping has changed. The most frequent talking points here used to be ships and the receipts were most of the time (with the exceptions of the usuals jokwon, key etc) heavy fanservice. Since my view has changed alot since i was at that age im very happy to see a clear change here too.

But anyway while reading ive seen that  most of the ships that were seen as true or true at some point back then, for example yunjae, hanchul and myungjong, are today by most here not seen as real. With the exception of jongkey. When talking about key ive read people describing jongkey as a possibility. From my memory the recepits for jongkey were as substantial as most kpop ships, i cant remember there being any crazy clear sign. I can understand if people dont want to talk about it because of the circumstances. But I am more just interested in seeing what peoples opinions are on jongkey from todays lens, since it was such a widely discussed ship before. So im wondering if people have thoughts on jongkey

My personal opinion is that receipts for keys close relationships with other people (i dont remember but that model i think around 2014) are much more obvious than the one with jonghyun. Jongkey was a very big ship in a very big group and i think that in an of itself creates hype and/or a want for it to be real which in turn makes receipts feel more convincing. But since it was such a long time ago i might be missing something. 

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55 minutes ago, Tixy said:

People were bringing up several 2nd gen ships well into 3rd gen as examples of real relationships, it was legit kinda funny to me. They would dismiss all the popular 3rd gen ships, being completely aware of the fact that they were just fanservice and fandom created narratives. But then somehow every time they would bring up a ship they thought was real, it was one of the most popular 2nd gen ships, almost never something obscure. No one was able to ask themselves why is it that these ships that they perceived as real and were emotionally invested in were all somehow the most popular 2nd gen ships that they fell in love with when they were clueless teens, while as adults they were able to recognize that 3rd gen ships were largely bull. Was there something magically different about the 3rd gen, or is it just that you...grew up? 

Wow u just said exacly what i had been thinking. How come that the biggest ships from the biggest groups of that era were the ships that were sealed as perfect and true. Like i said being from a popular group and being a popular ship creates hype for it to be real i think. Its a reflection of the kpop landscape.

And i think that emotional investment is the key, i think that is what makes all these pretty loose receipts all feel so meaningfull. All of the clues have to mean something because it means something to you. 

 

55 minutes ago, Tixy said:

Anyway, I'd add Eunhae to your list as well, they certainly had their troopers. As for Jongkey, I remember reading the big receipts and they were honestly deeply delusional. Key adjusting his chair at an event was analyzed in like 3 paragraphs and the conclusion was that it was because Jonghyun broke his heart by having a girlfriend.

People created this entire arc where Jonghyun and Key were close to dating initially, but then Jonghyun had internalized homophobia and ran away and got a girlfriend, but then years later he came to terms with his sexuality and started happily dating Key. Just writing this all out sounds so surreal to me, but it happened and it was generally a well received concept by the users here and a bunch fully believed in it. If anyone wants to read some of this, I recommend starting here, here and here. 

Thank you! You unlocked a deep memory in me now, and wow. My memory did not fool me, the "receipts" were basically glances and any excuse in the book for why Jonghyun ended up in a relationship. 

 

Also i want to just make it clear im not shipping them. I just wanted to know if there is a reason people sometimes separate jongkey from the other ships that used to be discussed here. Because i couldnt really wrap my mind around why that would be the case when in hindsight  all of the most talked ships were just fanservice and our own imagination and not in any way different from how ships are dismissed today.

 

55 minutes ago, Tixy said:

But to not make this terribly depressing, you guys wanna hear something funny? The reason why this thread used to focus so much on shipping back in the day can be explained quite easily; the person who was viewed as the most reputable user by others at that time due to her extremely Rational analyses which would routinely get over 50 upvotes was literally just a 14 year old girl lmao (who by her own admission grew out of her takes and this place, so the rest of us are probably even bigger losers for sticking around lol). 

I cant belive one of the people writing the long analyses were 14 at the time, i was also 14 when i was the most active here and i just bandwagoned on everyone elses opinions, because, well i was 14 and just wanted to chat i think. Im at least impressed with that person being able to be seen as reputable when i was just using danisnotonfire gifs in every goddamned post. 

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3 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

There were lots of rational takes back then and few of them were widely shared. Personally I did find that there was interesting stuff going on with Jongkey, Yunjae and Verkwan

What ship is verkwan?

3 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

I never really bought Eunhae though. It did just feel like a popular ship. I did think there was stuff going on between some other idols (whether one sided or not) but they weren't especially popular takes and just like today, they brought up quite the debates. I don’t personally feel like anything has changed. Users are just more careful but if you read between the lines, you can often sense a shipping perspective. I don't mind personally. I mean, we're talking about possibly gay/bi people living around men 24/7, stuff can be bound to happen at some point and if anything, their interactions with the same sex is an indicator of their sexuality anyway. People can decide for themselves if a take seems like wishful thinking or if it's interesting.

That might also be the case, thats true! But i do think that there has been a shift in what is seen as receipts. Before i would say most fanservice and skinship was taken at face value. And i feel like more broad discussions have ocurred here. For example talking about the fact that if you are queer you might feel more uncomfortable in skinship because you dont want people to know that your queer, even more if you are quite young and just discovering your sexuality. 

I sadly cant add alot to the discussion of NCT dream as i mainly listen to their music, but interesting reading your thoughts 

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On 4/7/2023 at 10:13 PM, K-Poppie said:

It is interesting to see so many contestants like Seo Won and Cha Woong Ki being their unapologetic queer selves on camera, while contestants like Sung Han Bin and Zhang Hao seem to be much more composed/controlled in terms of their images and self-expression. I am not saying the latter two are fake or anything, but they definitely know how to appeal to the Korean general public with the ideal idol characteristics/traits. A bunch of eliminated contestants have revealed that none of the trainees are being forced to put on a character or play up a fake personality, but there are definitely trainees who are calculated and careful in how they present themselves on camera. Just some food for thought…

I agree with everything you said, its so interesting! And i would say it makes seowon and woongi fan favorites but it makes it harder for them to be onepicks, because they dont fit into the fantasy. In alot of ways it pays off to create another persona, which is kind of sad. But its not that farfetched, queers do this in other spaces too, many if they have the possibility do switch ways of acting between different environments. In this context it works to fit into girls fantasies and the publics idea of what a man is.

But i will say seeing people being so clearly queer and having fun with others in a space that doesnt seem to undermine it is just wonderfull. The scene of woongi dancing and everyone hyping him is so wonderfull to see in this endless sea of neverending straightness. 

I would also add chen kuan jui to that list. 

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1 hour ago, pyunkangyul said:

Hi, I usually lurk here time to time for some K-pop tea but I finally made an account because my new obsession is Boys Planet and thought I could contribute some thoughts. Obviously, feel free to counter anything I have to say.

On Sung Hanbin and Zhang Hao, I would really not be surprised if it was a calculated move and they both seem very smart on how they present themselves. BUT I think they are definitely genuinely close. Because things like the massage seemed very intimate and I don’t even know if they ever expected that to be aired. Like I genuinely thought Mnet went a little far showing that, esp with both of their online histories. Also, they are stuck to each other in everything we see. Eliminated contestants have also talked about how close they are. Honestly, sometimes their interactions remind me of me when I’m first starting a situationship. Flirting without even realizing, constant hand-holding, head empty LOL. Maybe I’m just projecting though.

Also, I feel like if they were going to push a ship for themselves, I’m surprised they didn’t do it with one of the friends they knew well before the show. Like Sung Hanbin is friends with both Matthew and Phanbin. And I feel like at least Phanbin would be down lmao. Plus MattBin was literally the most popular ship in the show before ep 5 when we found out how close SHB and ZH are. ZH is also close with CKR who also is suspected to be queer. Maybe it’s just more comfortable with a stranger though but how do you even start a conversation on that lol.

They also both really don’t need the ships for popularity. I’d understand if they were less popular but Shanbin’s been consistently the #1 trainee and Zhang Hao was also #7 in the beginning and has only been rising (and I think he would’ve made #2 without the ship too). But obviously it helps and they could be trying to foster better K-G relationships (#geopolitics). I will say that if they are trying to appear less gay then this is also not the most convincing appeal.

I do think their ship fills a pretty obvious role, it creates even more hype around them as people and as one. Girls might start stanning them just because of the ship or become invested in them both making it to the final lineup. They are two conventionally attractive guys that are like the two most popular guys on the show, to make that into a ship creates alot of hype for the show in general.  I can see alot of reasons both for mnet and for the guys to do this. They seem like two smart guys that understand what tv show they are on.

But i agree they seem close outside of that, and i mean thats good? I dont think there is anything more between them but i mean if u can generate hype by just being abit more obvious with your love for your friend that would be pretty chill imo. Good for them! That massage wouldve been pretty awkward if they werent at least friends.

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1 minute ago, oh my dora said:

also did hui not make it? ngl have only seen boys planet through tiktok. there used to be posts every week about how a 30 year old is robbing children but suddenly i see nothing about him anymore and people have gone back to not caring. which further makes me believe this really didn't and won't do anything for pentagon and all it served as was a few weeks of the same sentiments and back-and-forth discussion over hui and pentagon but realistically, i don't think anything can boost pentagon or make any new people care about them. their contracts end this year and they're booked for 100 festival appearances

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Off topic question so putting it in spoiler, but yes he made it. Quite high too in the ranking.

Also the Haruto comment was from todays episode, and was quite heartbreaking, but he had alot of hype from international fans so its not crazy that he felt like he had a chance. Hope he finds his place and has a nice future wether if its in entertainment or something else, because he seems like such a nice dude!

 

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1 hour ago, sureyeahiguess said:

How are we feeling about the BP final line up? I’m glad our two centers get to live in marital bliss and raise their family of 6 boys (with the help of Uncle Jiwoong). Excited to see what they do in the future. Hopefully we get to see more of their personalities going forward. 

having both the center and p02 be aledged queers is one hell of a win. Its quite sad that we wont get phanbin in the group. But if anything this show has shown alot of cool performers and queer joy! Like having a space where different kinds of masculinities and expressions can exist and guys can hang out and not be constantly penalized for non-normative expression just felt like a breath of fresh air. Femininity and flamboyancy is so often only used as a token or a punchline, but the guys on the show, and the editing and framing of the show, seemed to value each other outside of that. My standards for kpop shows are extremely low so thats probably why i came out of this show so shocked and happy, its really not revolutionary. But hopefully its some form of change? 

I hope people keep on hyping up haruto, woongi and seowon after the show and hopefully they have cool stuff to come

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1 hour ago, porlandes said:

I have been thinking of bringing this up. These are the pics that seobin removed at the start of bp and that he know unarchived (see the whole thread). 

They’re all very coupley and I find it interesting that they felt the need to remove them during bp but felt that they were fine now. It’s also interesting that it happened the same day as Jiwoong started cleaning out his instagram. 

A lot of the content they put out is definitely fanservice but they’re also a lot closer than most korean bl couples are, I think only Jaechan and Seoham comes close. I remember Jiwoong saying something along the lines that Seobin was the first person that he has spent so much time with and Seobin seeming genuinely very sad and worried when he hadn’t spoken with Jiwoong for a couple of days bc of bp. I do also tend to lean towards them just being friends but there’s some moments that I feel that it actually might be more, for example them going on a trip together and talking about spending time in the bathtub drinking wine. I also still feel that their behind the scenes kissing scenes were a bit much for two people who aren’t at least attracted to each other, especially when Jiwoong even said that kissing is what brought them closer.

I think Jiwoong and his company probably didnt know how the reaction would be towards him being a BL actors, they probably wanted to separate him from it in fear of the shit that could happened. But then he actually got famous for it and it wasnt really seen as a problem, and even more as something that drew people to him. He also doesnt seem like someone that is ashamed of it, i mean he recently was in Hollands MV, i think. Seems like a chill ally to me. So he probably saw no problem in it being something that people related to him and lean into it, once it was clear that in his case it wasnt used against him (in the same way queerness or implied queerness has and is being used against other contestants). It doesnt really have to be that he is ashamed of it or a bug breakup happened, the truth is that as much as it helped him it couldve also been used to shame him or spread rumors about him. 

And with BLs, a huge part of the promotional campaigns are creating immense amount of fanservice content, so even if they probably were friends i would take it with a huge grain of salt, its part of the contract really. 

Edit: also i mean i know the bar is on the floor with BL and kdrama but i think the least we could ask for is good chemistry and kissing. Its the actors jobs to do that. Its like if i used Timothy chalamets scenes with that dude in Call me by your name as reason for him being queer, its his job to make it look convincing. 

Edited April 26 by sapphicsunmi

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22 minutes ago, sureyeahiguess said:

Haruto is back on IG (Haruto.Slay of course) and announced he left Wakeone. 
 

under the second comment he’s asked if he’s talking about Zihao and he replies “if it’s not with Zihao my life is a lie”. Not sure why the Twitter user blacked out his username, he is still awake and replying to fans in the comments. Lots of funny interactions.

 

Ive never followed someone as fast as i just did, im so happy he is back on social media, he is just feral and as seen by his name he doesnt seem to be holding back

I will say the zihao thing i see as nothing but just abit of fun, its like the only real ship he is in so i get why he is milking it. But idc, he is leaning into it, go for it king

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Looking forward to his future and hope all goes well for the true winner of gays planet

 

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10 hours ago, oh my dora said:

another thing is that i saw a video on my fyp about akb48 girls dating each other and everyone says that nct is similar or based off that group but do you guys think any of the nct members dated eachother? i try to think about whether it's more likely in a big group or less likely. my verdict is if it were to happen then perhaps they'd be in different units because one of them even said they don't even know everyone's names. ten and johnny also said they are too busy to see eachother and i guess different units wouldn't see eachother often. but i feel like within the same unit is less likely because idk, as much as i'd think spending a lot of time with the same ppl could influence dating, i'd see it as they'd get tired of eachother quicker

nct made show out of the members getting to know each other and not being so awkward around each other so i would still say its fair to see the individual units as separate when it comes to this. They dont tour, promo or live together all 24 so its not the same. On paper they are alot but they seem to be pretty separate in practise. 

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50 minutes ago, oh my dora said:

cix is one i’m most sure of. plus they get away with more because they’re not that popular. especially hyunsuk, as you said. don’t forget his wallpaper of the skam actor and recommending everyone a ship video of skam

He recommended a ship video from skam???

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20 hours ago, oh my dora said:

airing tomorrow on my bday

Happy birthday<3

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I'm kinda over this whole discourse. everyone always repeats the same points and it all boils down to your idol oppa or unnie is not in a PR het relationship because not being in a public relationship is literally a part of their job vs BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE! Like I just find it so interesting how the argument is never that maybe some idol is closeted and wants to appear straight to his friends, family or maybe even to himself, the argument is always about the Management pulling strings

Like the idea that somebody's oppar could for real be dating a woman cause he wants to believe that he can be attracted to women even though he's gay is still not appealing enough cause then the relationship is real and oppar is touching some nasty girl's nether regions. And IF PR relationships among idols exist, and that's a big if, still the number of gay men dating women for real would be faaaar greater and so there would be no justification to immediately jump to the Management doing PR narrative.

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13 hours ago, honeymoon said:

but when i say jaywon is a real thing they say enhypen is the straightest group ever IJBOLL

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thats because i dont think i can find anyone in kpop that gives me as strong straight vibes as Jay 

 

feels like im being punched with the straightness right thru the screen

 

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Hii! I just wanted to write something before the site disappears. I was 13, around 2013-2014, when i found this thread, some might say thats a bad thing some might say thats a good thing, idk. But for me, a very very lonely kpop obsessed person in a country where noone listened to kpop, it was amazing. I dont think ive ever posted anything of substance, because i was a child that just wanted to interact with people and also sometimes vent, but as you might see i posted alot. I think i mainly just repeated what others said, sprinkle in tumblr social justice and alot of myungjong, jongkey and jihope shipping (idek guys i only remembered this by going thru my posts). I would wake up and check OH, on my school computer check OH and come back from school and check OH. I would spend so much time choosing how my signature looked and the aesthetic. I would share thing i didnt share with anyone, talk about my crush on a girl at school, be honest about my depression and loneliness (mind you it was written in very broken english and with gifs sprinkled in everywhere so im suprised if anyone took it seriously). I never made close friends on OH even if i was here for years, i think i was too young. But it didnt matter, it was the routine and the feeling of having others being interested in same thing as me, and also the act of feeling like i wasnt alone even if i was alone in my room. By this point it wasnt just about the gay thread, but i always came back, i think for me it stopped being about who is gay and more just to see everyone interact, everyone has different interests and viewpoints and its fun to see the interactions (and sometimes fights). Now someone might say that its quite impossible to be as active as i was (i want to make it clear again: active but like no substance) and also have a life outside of it, and thats true. So when i was 15 and changed schools and got into my first relationship and made friends i slowly started being here less and less. I didnt need it as much anymore, as well as i my music style became more emo than kpop.

After that i felt very self councious for years about this place, i had put so much of myself, a very embarrassing and childish part of myself here. But nostalgia kept bringing me back to kpop and so like once a year i would check back in. That is until about a year ago when i got into kpop again and decided to check OH again, but instead of just doing it once i read everything i had missed in this thread, it took a while but i did it. And its so fucking fascinating. I wouldnt say the view on who is gay or theories or "proofs" are anything remarkable here most of the time (sorry), the same way its anywhere else on the internet. We make guesses, we have our theories. But its a fun gossipy read. But its so interesting to see the changes in mentality relating to how these subjects are talked about, as someone who at one point has read everything there are clear changes. But its also equally as interesting to see what remains, that some things never change, we just found new people to apply these things to. Its also so so interesting to see how a group of people meet the fact that a theory that they thought was the truth wasnt the truth. Think about the meltdown after Heechul- or Ryeowookgate. Some people start to think back to the cracks in the theory that they maybe didnt realise where that big at the time because they were so sure of the theory, some say they never believed the theory and others double down and stick to the theory. There is so much more to say.

But the people here arent subjects, i want to make clear that i have found it so much fun as teen and now, as a 22 y/o, to talk here. The reason i have so many thoughts about it is because i was part of this. 

I feel like people might see the amount of pages and think that there is some gay kpop secrets hidden here, and yall i dont think thats the case. We´ve been talking about the same shit for years, but that doesnt negate the point of this space. This space is interesting and fun because of the fact that even if everything just repeats itself, we keep on talking about it.

Thank you to OH for existing, forums are such a fun space, and thank you to this thread for the endless amount of content. Hope a new space is found for this community (i vote for a forum since i think this space needs and always gets new people joining and discord servers are hard for that purpose) and the people finally come to a consenssus on the hardest question in history "which bts boy likes boys?". 

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On 11/27/2023 at 1:05 PM, juriz said:

i'm sticking here until we're on the cusp of read only, and if there's no discussion started on h+ by then i'll start one : )

I think you could start one,  because atm i dont really know where people are supposed to migrate other than discord