Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Bushi]

On 8/11/2021 at 10:23 PM, kiyatix said:

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On this page alone I counted 11 dislikes and 4 likes I think? Lmao it's extremely negative and I swear some people just get a kick out of being able to do it. I've seen many posts not even opinion based get clowned. Don't worry (also if you talk about getting neg'd they'll probably neg you again just how it works)

 

 

On 8/27/2021 at 10:49 PM, pokezuko said:

is this about Felix or Lucas? can i ask what you're referring to because i was trying to figure out the correlation between bisexuality and Hong Kong for the longest time.

Felix. In response to someone who said his dance display was sus. 

Hong Kong = see Suga's Cypher verse for ongoing fandom mental gymnastics over its true meaning. Lol. 

So what chanced do less famous idols have of being believed about possible lgbt refs, when the top ones mostly get brushed off?

Edited August 29, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

3 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

when people talk about idols officially coming out, especially top idols like BTS or EXO, i just wonder what would they gain? like really, what do you think would be the motivation for them to make such a drastic career-ending move? because like it or not, i don't believe that korea is in a place yet where a gay idol can continue to promote. coming out as gay would not only jeopardize their career, but the careers of all of their group members by extension. 

It's a constant battle between what we think we see in our happy fandoms, and the reality for able bodied young males in SK. 

As BTS have grown up and gone through many different phases, concept shifts and personal developments, their general awareness has broadened. 

But just because they dress in jeans and tees, and Namjoon could buy out half his hometown and turn it into a fun palace, it doesn't mean they're not subject to the wider confines and biases of what is still a deeply conservative society in South Korea. I keep an eye on the politics, and the lawmakers and factions are hardcore. Outside the bubble of K-pop and without money it's a tough, unforgiving world out there. They face a prejudiced legal and social framework, potential ingrained homophobia from within their families and the pressure to marry and have as many babies as possible in a system where the birth rate is super low. 

You're correct. There's not much reason for male idols to come out publicly in SK, even at top level, without jeopardising something. But then perhaps they don't have to stay in SK? Or if so, keep the head down and bed in for the long haul, Key or Jo Kwon style, dropping breadcrumbs without ever making it official. There's no easy answer anywhere on more 'liberal' planet Earth, but especially in SK. It has many good qualities but it's also a hierarchical, money-and-influence driven, bloodline-obsessed and highly politicised society. The mainstream have little to no time for LGBT. Coming out there is no doubt a world of pain and grief, compounded by intense home fandoms (themselves cultivated to be over-protective, and mostly made up of straight girls/women). And it probably explains why so few male idols don't publicly come out. 

But for all that you know I still have a feeling someone at top level will come out. Sooner or later someone will be THAT herd buffalo which is all, "Nah screw it, I'll go first," and jumps in the river.  

Edited September 1, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

O/T but relevant: please spend a moment if you can to read up on the work of SK's amazing DDing Dong Rainbow Teen Safe Space charity, doing such good things for LGBT youth in the country. I'm continuously amazed that this centre struggles for funding year on year when all the big K-pop agencies and CEOs rake in a fortune every day. 

There's a donation box at the bottom of the page if you fancy chipping in. 

https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/rainbow-teen-safe-space/updates/?subid=175512&rf=progrept15426_175512&utm_campaign=Progress+Report&utm_content=Project+Report%3A+DDing+Dong+(Rainbow+Teen+Safe+Space)+29th+letter&utm_source=email2.globalgiving.org&utm_medium=email

Edited September 1, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

8 minutes ago, lgbtxt said:

but i ask again, why? people don’t make such life changing  decisions based on just “eh, screw it.” i have no clue how you reached that conclusion after writing this entire essay with such poignant points on exactly why it’s near impossible for idols to come out lmao

at some point it feels like stans (not specifically @ you OP) prioritize ‘representation’ for their own satisfaction over the suffering of queer people in homophobic countries. TBH. i wouldn’t wish for my faves to come out bcs i know how much hurt it would cause for them 

Human nature.

Sometimes there's no apparent 'logic,' you just want that cage opening. 

Risking it all, I believe is the phrase. It'll be someone with a Plan B and C though. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

9 hours ago, vafonso19971 said:

On September 23 (the day of bisexual visibility)
After a show in HK,Ren made this post on his Instagram, and notice the 'easter eggs' in the photo as the unicorn, and in the title where he puts "you would be my girlfriend?"...Does that seem to me to be clearly a hint that Ren is probably bisexual?  this post is really curious!

Dunno how others feel but I'm not much for these sorts of idol social media crumbs, tbh. I don't mean you posting it here I mean when they do it. 

It's equally likely that a staff member's written it. It's cute and I get the double-entendre you're wondering about. But it's hard to quantify or just take it at face value that 'he' is making an overture at the ladies. 

Tbh I think these sorts of posts are just gooey candy to appeal to a wide audience. It's a nice inclusive way of making everyone feel loved. 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

16 hours ago, LostChild said:

Surprised it wasn’t already posted here

https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/music/bts-jungkooks-birthday-billboard-removed-in-pakistan-for-promoting-homosexuality.html

The response of a Pakistani army was to argue that BTS never « promoted » homosexuality and « vulgarity ». Miles away from Western armys branding them as gay icons.

I think I’ve said it before but now more than ever BTS’ ambiguity towards LGBT rights is crucial for Hybe if they want to keep all markets flowing money. 

I was just on my way with this. Poor Jk. 

Cancelled in Pakistan for 'promoting homosexuality,' you've hit the big time, lads.

In fairness, Jungkook's obsession with smacking male butt is probably on the radar of every downlow mullah in Pakistan by now.

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

It's very easy for people to start throwing racism around in order to cut off any scrutiny of what is a deeply misogynistic society. 

That's not invention, it's fact. The SK school system even has 'rape may be the consequence of you not doing what the male expects on a date' in one publication posted here. The damn school system fgs! 

All the recent Burning Sun mess, the Nth Room, the public toilet upskirting, and then drama about an Olympian wearing her hair short because it upset men in SK....

Of course there are progressive, decent, nice, chilled SK men. Of course there are inherently wonderful Koreans who know right from wrong. But as a society, with its rules passed down a traditional masculine-centric model, it's hardwired to be skewed towards men's pleasure. Western society was too. Women and minority groups had to fight like hell to be heard, and recognised as human beings. It's only in the last 20 years that the west has mostly binned being openly sexist, and is more progressive on the LGBT front. And even then it's not perfect. 

Entertainment, k-pop, the average decent, progressive young South Korean on the street, doesn't even scratch how deeply misogynistic its wider society is. Even k-pop darlings like BTS began on pretty shaky misogynistic grounds. 

Can you imagine Taehyung these days saying the sorts of innocently-meant/unworldly yet ingrained pretty misogynistic ideals he rattled off 6-7 years ago? All those male idols wanting an arm candy cook and brow mopper, with 35 cm length hair and small hands, etc. Absolute bullcaka, honestly. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

10 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

I don't know, I think Ten is smarter than that. He has a huge following in SK and China, him coming out will definitely impact that. I think he will do it when he is in his 30's. From what I could see, most of his fan have accepted his playfully banter and his innuendos about sex. But actual real coming out, nah too early unfortunately.

Sadly I reckon solo Ten's going to be firmly on the CCP's new popstars-to-blockstar list. There's no way old Winnie the Pooh is going to stand for Ten's delicious sassiness, sashaying across his screen in an off the shoulder velvet shirt and tight pants. 

Most of K-pop are going to have to don monks habits and recite ancient chants in the Chinese charts at this rate, surrounded by standing bells and singing bowls. 

Hmm, might be a niche market to capitalise on! Change seems to be afoot in China, as in big crackdown change, and it's not pleasant. SM will be well aware and might aim Ten much more at western audiences (where he's liked but still quite under the radar).

Could be interesting if so. 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

On 9/11/2021 at 12:57 AM, Taecoholic said:

This is a really realistic approach. If anyone believes that a multi-millionaire company can be so open about a relationship that could cause a scandal that could destroy its revenues, they're just lying to themselves. Why didn't the makeup artist cover his neck? Why did Jimin have to try to explain it in front of the cameras? Why Big Hit put this in the DVD? There's a reason why something that can easily be resolved with make-up becomes a DVD material..

Some of it is for show, undoubtedly. Though they're all clearly comfortable in one another's presence up close. But I also think Jungkook is just hardcore not caring at all these days, and his huge popularity among worldwide fans means he can act up at work without much blowback. Since most of what he does is just taken to be cute/funny by fans. He rakes it in for his masters, so I think they're duty bound to allow him off the leash a bit extra. 

He's living the young man's dream right now, as best a minted idol in conservative SK can. And everybody indulged him anyway. HYBH (sorry, old habits die hard) seem to have stopped trying to hide/fuzz out his tattoos, that's totally gone down the toilet. He seems quite punk goth in his personal style, so a hickey probably isn't going to raise eyebrows at HQ. 

(I might talk about the layers of liberalism at HYBH at some point, because I think it's a definite thing and is quite unique to that company.)

I'll wager it's far more 'Jungkook and girls' that causes genuine alarm at work. Given the meltdown the last (public) one caused. Jimin and his loose lips will be the least of the big chief's probs, imo. It'd probably be safer from a fandom pov if Jungkook was actually rolling around in bed with Jimin, and not a female idol or civilian. 

I can see Jungkook as being quite cheerfully bisexual at this point tbh, with few major hangups. At least that's the vibe I get, rightly or wrongly. 

For the people asking about his receipts, there is a mammoth master list of all BTS receipts over the years, compiled by a poster here, who periodically updates it. Fun fact: Everyone's favourite Hetty Het Namjoon's queer-receipt list is so whopperoo it proudly outshines every other member. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Hmm, interesting discussion. 

I think Jk's always under a lot of pressure, and he's among those that I believe would maybe buckle and want out of BTS first, despite the public overtures and happy clappy 'ARMY is my life' stuff. Not based on what I want, but little flags thrown up by things he says. Like J-Hope or Tae. 

I'll freely admit that whilst I enjoy k-pop, the psychology of how it works and its fandom interactions with its artists interests me more these days.

Firstly, BH's response to Jk's tattoo artist 'scandal' was to have Jk hide away, for her to (typically) take the vast amount of hate and heat, and then wheel him out during the dying embers for some kind of 'apology' around the time of New Zealand, looking suitably chastised/devastated, whilst admitting to nothing clear cut. Though fans and onlookers always know exactly what these non-specific admissions refer to. 

The amount of appeasement fandoms fall for to believe their best angels are superhuman and incapable of dating or being beyond reproach is staggering to me. 

As per the thread, might he mess around with Jimin, or any of the other BTS members? Other idols or civilians? Males and females? Sure, why not, it's not impossible. There are people out there that believe he was in a relationship with one of the rap line for a whole year around 2016. Others swear he's a player of women, with multiple hookups and flings. Nobody seems to know for sure. Which is as it should be. I think no matter what happened/happens, with same-sex interactions there's generally a company clean up and many fans are keen to muddy the waters of language/nuance differences. Jk's interactions with Jimin and Tae will be held up as equally valid by competing sections of ARMY, and then also by LGBT vs non-LGBT fans, which then causes ideological mini-wars. Neither side truly wins because we all know the company can come along and torpedo anything with a simple statement. Look at how all Yoongi's semi admissions and receipts regularly get ignored/wiped out as irrelevant, because he said 'my heart doesn't flutter for a man' in a funny, likely scripted skit on camera a few thousand years ago. But you can't fully dismiss it, because it's out there and may be valid. The mixed messaging is a useful PR tool most artists use, not just idols. (For the record, no, I don't think he's straight. ) 

For straight interactions there's the fan-created fantasy that idols can't possibly cheat on them and betray them. It's a very weird, intense, often deeply double standard. Fans effectively create their own arena of expectation and grief by building idols up in this genre to be untouchable and flawless. So when a thing like dating or 'not being straight' comes along, many don't have the emotional armour to handle it. Even though they say they do. Jungkook's going to be one of the biggest victims of this, whatever path he takes, as his popularity is so off the charts. 

Edited September 20, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

17 hours ago, Josaline said:

The tattoo girl was perhaps the most prominent girlfriend thing among BTS members. No matter how hard the fans try to deny it. I didn't buy Big Hit's ThEy oNYl fRIEndS 

Well the most obvious explanation was that they were doing what a lot of guys and gals do, and just got busted. The company would say 'nothing to see here' because they know most of ARMY hang on their every word as gospel. BH is there to rightly protect its artists but also to make money. But if it truly cared about ARMY it wouldn't put out multiple copies of the same product every time so that broke fans feel terrible if they don't have every format. Pure psychology. It's mere good fortune that BTS are genuinely nice guys who do care about their fans, and the wider world. 

Jk's no super saint, but I have a bit of a soft spot for him because he's under about 600 times more best boy pressure than the others. 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

The forum needs to allow emoji reactions to be visible to the user and not be anonymous. 

It'd cut down on the cowardly dump and run emojis imo. They do it liberally because there's no accountability atm.

I mean it doesn't bother me getting negged personally, I've been here a while and have seen it all before but it's clearly offputting to newer members and people more sensitive to these things. So yes, link names to reactions imo, other forums do it. 

[Bushi]

11 hours ago, temiiro said:

Well here's the thing. Even i could create an acc, go on twt and say that i am a sasaeng and that idk, jungkook has secretly been planning his marriage with a carboard cutout of rm or something. Write it in korean and people will believe it even more - it's ok if you don't know korean, use google translate, and chances are that some international fans will eat it up.

Spoiler

 

I heard it was Jin. 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

2 hours ago, Wnnabe said:

So many of you get angry at me and spam me with skulls and clown emojis whenever I point out most male idols are sleazy and doing fanservice/queerbait in order to gain more popularity. They're fake people you need to be wary of, not your friends or LGBT champions. Do you genuinely think that a very honest person would survive in this insane industry? Where your main source of income comes from obsessive deluded fans? 

Many artists and groups do queerbait and get told to push agendas, imo. Their companies have all crunched the numbers, know the specific makeup of fandoms and where most sales are coming from. 

But there is also a disconnect between fandom and idols, and it's the void where reality slips over into fantasy. If you're marketing young men as viable, talented and sexually-interesting subjects for mostly young women, and you overegg it (which I personally think most K-pop companies/acts do/have done this), then naturally protective fans are conditioned to treat these guys as 'best boys' no matter what. They can queerbait and rub rights groups and neutral fans up as much as they want, and the bulk of the fandom will still say it's okay, it's just a cultural thing and suck it up. It continues precisely because fans allow it to. 

We are the ultimate employer of these groups. We pay their way. If people don't want to see queerbaiting and OTT fanservice, don't buy their products. Vote with your wallets, simple as. They'll soon come round if they start losing sales. Or you can support artists or groups who don't need to demean and mock LGBT (and gay acts) to gain popularity/sales. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

10 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

I can understand your frustration and it is good that you have a sense of humour. But may I ask, do you believe two high profile idols could be dating so openly that could jeopardise their career? 

Not to endorse the named pair as I don't know, and it's a new one to me.

But in theory, although male-male k-pop pairings would have to be careful in SK, given that practically nobody outside a bunch of noisy but oft derided i-fans believe men can date men, why not? There's so many Asian netizens and straight i-fans debunking that non-het individuals can even exist in k-pop, you'd have a natural safety net to date under the radar.

Nobody's gonna drop any best boys in the proverbial soup in South Korea. I see so many international fans being dismissed as gay fetishists when they speculate on Twitter. It can get quite aggressive. So theoretically, yes I think you could get away with interband dating. The level of protectiveness and immediate denial/shutdown by the faithful makes it possible imo. And I feel sure it has already happened several times already with past and present artists. There's respectable theory presented for much higher-profile idols in the same groups than the two named here. Jonghyun and Key, and Tony and Jaeduck being examples (possibles). 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

13 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

I am not disagreeing with you that it isn't  possible, but rather asking why would they jeopardise their career and friendships that way. The payoff would be very little. If there are more than one queer person in the group, I think they would see each other more of an ally than anything else. But that is just how I would be, maybe one of the idols would take the risks and go for it. 

Love would be a valid reason. 

Most of the risks people take in life are either over freedom, money, sex (the act of), territory, or love. 

I'm not saying this alleged pair are in that kind of relationship. Just that I think it'd be a valid reason for people to commit to relationships, against all advice. 

Edited October 8, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

10 minutes ago, Hanatan said:

been a while since i checked up this thread but it cracks me up thats eveytime an idol is strongly suspected to gay on here they end up being straight lmao 

either its over run by straights or people like to really project on their favs 

betting my money on V or taeyong next. 

Ultimately this is just a speculation thread, because none of us have direct access to idols and we all know that.

Perhaps you could be helpful and go ask the wonderful, amazing South Korean government and wider society why life is so shit for LGBT people (including some idols), that their only options end up being a lifetime of lies/lavender marriages, suicide, or leaving to make a life abroad. 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

3 hours ago, heedeungie said:

i think soobin is attracted to twinks, he really only gets rumors with twinks ... (besides the baseless seonghwa-soobin situation)

 

Whether Soobin is or isn't gay, please let's keep it respecful and understand the context. 

Young men dating/being attracted to their own age group is under no circumstances twinkery. 

The phrase has its roots in the western gay club circuit many decades ago, where older men ('chickenhawks') specifically honed in on young men (many barely legal, having their first foray into the gay club scene, hence 'twinks'). 

It's pretty seedy stuff in truth and a lot of young boys have been taken advantage of. Soobin doesn't need to be linked to that, even in jest. 

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

On 10/20/2021 at 6:22 PM, Aryu said:

Ok hear me out - he has a cute face with angelic vibes now that he's blond. But he's also tall af and again, let me pinpoint the shoulders.  I feel that is important. He's getting broader and I love it. Soobin is taller still though, but HK is starting to look big next to the rest of TXT.

He's a cute boy but he's now a big boy is my point lol

I apologize, I know there's a whole extremely problematic dynamic in gay dating that involves way too young boys and way too old men. It's a serious issue in the community.

I will say that where I'm from it's being used to describe someone who is on the slighter side, not much more. Oh and usually effeminate but that' s not I'm talking about in this case. That's really all I was getting at.

It's cool. I know you didn't have ill intent. I know sometimes we all use words that just get handed down and perhaps meanings or inferences change over the years. Or it means something different from one place or generation to another. Just one of those things.

[Bushi]

3 minutes ago, AWA said:

I personally don't mind BTS discourse in here, but a general server to talk about the same things we talk about here would be nice.

And yes, much easier to keep up with and reply to in Discord.

What about a Telegram group? 

[Bushi]

I felt that Yoongi wasn't straight years ago when he whomp-whomped his way out of pocky with Tae. 

I've seen nothing to change my mind so far, and I'm not trying to define his sexuality. Just that I don't think he's 100% straight. But he's not someone who is flamboyant, acts up to gay stereotypes, or indulges in grandstanding for fans. 

I haven't changed my mind on Sehun either. The broader picture is almost never seen as important as the fans eye view of idols. But when the cameras switch off these men have to live in a deeply homophobic society, undertake military service and put up with quite insane levels of filial pressure. At a level the average non-Korean fan cannot even begin to comprehend. 

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

A lot of Larries moved over to K-pop. Notably to the BTS fandom but Stray Kids, NCT, and now Ateez. I think EXO's managed to avoid most of them. 

[Bushi]

15 hours ago, mari0408 said:

who's saying korea is tolerant? i'm refraining to make blanket terms as an outsider when it is hypocritical and reductionist to make such claims when i'm not even korean. nothing more hypocritical than a kpop fan who has only a glimpse into korean society as a whole thinking they can speak on something. 

Or you could maybe stop blanket judging 'westerners' as one mass of like minds. 

As stated, not everyone here is western. And nobody has a perfect country. We all come at things from our own cultural setting but many do try and be objective, taking someone else's sensitivities into account. We're from countries which have variously evolved quite well regarding LGBT rights, are beginning the process, or are not even at the starting gate yet. 

But we are talking about k-pop, South Korea, and its application of rights and wrongs towards its own LGBT people. And it's not looking good, on any level, so far. 

It'd give nobody in their right mind a sense of superiority to have to discuss a country which is so progressive in many ways, tech, business, etc, but so socially backwards that LGBT are still taken to asylums by their parents. Where the suicide rate is sky high, where idol deaths from bullying are hushed up out of familial shame, and the bullies allowed to move on unchecked. Where it's common to be treated as if having a mental illness for being LGBT, and where certain school textbooks tell girls to expect 'consequences' if they don't give boys 'what they want.' Where a country's ingrained obsession with Korean pure bloodlines, racism, or race issues towards outsiders ('we can smell your race' - YT video, unreal!) and hierarchies rule everything behind the gloss of entertainment. All this runs alongside a system that thinks laughing at gay people, using fanservice and fantasy big-ship couplings, are viable and honourable ways of draining western, and other, pockets. This is a system, like any western entertainment system, that utilises smokescreens and lies to make money. And which is more than happy to allow its LGBT idols to be thrown under the bus for South Korea's global image. BTS for example, as lovely as they are, are now basically government shills, sent out to promote everything from Korean cider to recliners. And whose company thinks nothing of invading their private bedroom sleeping time. Are you kidding me! You're not going to get away with that OTT creepy, invasive shit in the west without a fight. Fans shouldn't need to see that. 

A country where regular flaps are to be had on netizen websites if Taehyung appears to show real or perceived 'interest' in e. g., an American girl of European descent in a crowd. Where regular disgust or nope conversations take place at the thought of BTS members marrying outside the Korean race. Nevermind that one or more couldn't possibly be bi or gay. I've seen so, so much of this over the years. A tonne of SK-society online is just hopelessly obsessed, and often pretty rude, with their own stereotypes and assumptions, and I'm calling them on it. Why not? 

Yes, Korean social activists are great, and work super hard, but so too do western and other activists and advocates, who have helped to report to the wider world, largely in English (which many Koreans don't necessarily converse in at all) the many dire issues facing ordinary LGBT Koreans, and other minority groups there. It's been a team effort. So don't assume it's only a stare and point for shits and giggles session for 'westerners.' There are people that read these pages and who work seriously behind the scenes in positive ways that you'll never know. 

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Edited November 3, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

8 minutes ago, aligning-stars said:

 we've never seen him attracted to men, but there are many occasions in which we see him attracted to women. 

maybe he just doesn't show his attraction to men, but I find that unlikely. 

Whut? 

Where've you been? 

 

[Bushi]

On 11/12/2021 at 4:15 PM, Wnnabe said:

This is pretty much how it works for a lot of japanese fujoshi. They want to see two "straight" men having sex, they don't want anything to do with actual gay men (doesn't really help that a lot of people in japan think being gay =  trans and that comes with some really ugly stereotypes). They never get mad when in canon they get paired with a girl, because that's something they see as "natural", something separate from their fantasies. It's not like in the western fandom where people get angry when their ship sinks. Same for kpop shippers, they like the fantasy of a ~forbidden~ love, they don't want them to be actually gay. That turns them off because their image of gay people is very negative.

 

There's quite a serious problem in parts of Japanese society where some men are now so psychologically enmeshed in socially-acceptable fantasy/anime worlds that real adult women are not enough and inferior to their fantasy girlfriends.

I watched a documentary in which one young man 'married' his life-sized Sailor Moon doll. Ceremony, parents, workmates, cake, outfits, flowers, the whole ball of wax. He talks to and washes her, dresses her, props her up around his tiny flat, sleeps with her, etc. A nice, friendly young lady who he works with drops by from time to time to check in on him and have a chat. He doesn't notice her. He's a lost soul. And he's by no means an anomaly. Another one married a hologram. There are numerous schoolgirl cafes, where men go to 'talk' to young girls dressed up as REALLY young girls. It's bloodyfuckingridiculous. But it's totally fine in their city culture because it's 'heterosexual.' The raging schoolgirl paedo obsessions are heterosexual, and the authorities turn a blind eye to it all, as their actual physical crime rate is said to be so low. 

I can't even imagine how they start to tackle LGBT issues at govt. level when so many immature (yet grown) working men are steeped in these strange, made up, semi-erotic, semi action-adventure scapes. And that's o/c quite aside from traditional, ingrained homophobia. 

Bizarrely enough though, I still think Japan is likely to be more open and even legalise aspects of LGBT rights, such as gay marriage, long before South Korea does. There is good work going on for LGBT in all the East Asian countries via activists and community groups, but they're really up against it. 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Bushi